WWI Digest 454 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 2) Rep : Re: Rep : Ilya Murometz by Fportier@aol.com 3) Rep : Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT by Fportier@aol.com 4) Re: Albatros loz. by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) Re: Albatros loz. by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 9) Re: Albatros loz. by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 11) RE: Albatros loz. by Shane Weier 12) Re: cottage industries by Alberto Rada 13) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by Erik Pilawskii 14) Re: Over The Front by Alberto Rada 15) anybody out there by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 16) Re: Rep : Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT by Alberto Rada 17) Re: Albatros loz. by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 18) Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT by mbittner@juno.com 19) Sunday, 4 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 20) Monday, 5 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 21) Re: cottage industries by "Valenciano . Jose" 22) Re: WWI Modeller Frozen in Time by "Valenciano . Jose" 23) Re: Albatros loz. by Kevin Wenker 24) Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT by Alberto Rada 25) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by "Valenciano . Jose" 26) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by "Valenciano . Jose" 27) Re: Ilya Murometz by "Rob " 28) Re: Albatros loz. by "Rob " 29) Re: Ilya Murometz by DavidL1217@aol.com 30) Me by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 31) Welcome/Scale Wars by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:17:35 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: Erik wrote: > Just received a copy of a book put out by Glencoe Models on the SPAD VII >to XIII. The thing appears to be an old Osprey Pubs. work, re-issued by >Glencoe (there is a caption on pp.12 that says "...and is now (1969) Group >Cpt. J.H. Herring....") > The description of the various SPAD models I think is pretty good, and >seems for what I know about them to be accurate. It has some b/w cammo >arrangement drawings, and several pages of color plates. Included with the >book is a sheet of decals for Glencoe's Balloon Scale S.XIII, which also >is rather nice (if huge...). > It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this >thing, or seen it? This book was originally part of the Aircam (?) aviation series and unfortunately the only strictly WW I volume in the whole series. There was another volume in that series on the Czech air force that includes a few photos of WW I types that served in the early days of that air service. Personally, I have wondered how well the photos are reproduced in the Glenco book. My copy is the original Aircam edition and some of the photos in it are marginal in reproduction quality. Is the decal sheet from Glenco the same as included in the re-issued SPAD XIII kit ? This has been a lingering question in my mind. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: Rep : Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <970304152244_952093449@emout19.mail.aol.com> Martin Digmayer is a Czech master modeller who lives in Prague but is about to move this month. He produces wooden airscrews virtually to order. Prices vary from $4 to 12 according to size. As soon as I know about his new address I'll keep the group informed. His current address is Na Luzci 13, 16000 Praha 6, Czech Republic. In the circumstances it is probably better to wait before placing an order. Best regards, Francois. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:22:49 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT Message-ID: <970304152248_1115349769@emout02.mail.aol.com> Very funny, but do you realize what we French people pay by way of taxes, direct and indirect? One of the highest rates in the world. Come over and see for yourself... Some French cottage manufacturers have seen the writing on the wall and emigrated to Britain or the States. Be patient.... It takes time to get a green card. Francois.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:30:26 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: Erik writes, > Well, while working on this Albatros colors bit, I have been struck by a >quandry. As you all know, a number of Albatri (late IIIs/Vs) had lozenge >covered rudders. But, as I look at various photos, I begin to wonder what >*type* of lozenge? > From the photographic evidence, so far as I can tell to this point, I >seem to see mostly 5-color upper loz. on the rudder. I can see 2 pictures >which may be 4-color; hard to tell though, given the photo quality. But, >on the back cover of Windsock Datafile-- Albatros we see what appears to >be an un-restored rudder from and OAW built D.III that is sporting what >I'm pretty sure is 5-color *undersurface* lozenge. What gives? > Does anyone know more about this rudder? Is it from the AWM? Has anyone >any further information on the use of loz. fabric on Albatri fighters? > Thanks in advance, you guys. The Albatros rudder you refer to is part of the Imperial War Museum collection and is covered with lower surface 5-color lozenge. Erik, you raise a good point regarding what lozenge was used on which Albatros fighters. Many of the photos reproduced in books, Datafiles etc, have lost some of their tonal details from the originals and some of these originals were only prints a couple of inches wide to begin with, so once you blow them up and take them one generation removed from the original for printing reproduction, details we most want to see (like lozenges on wings photographed at oblique angles) are very difficult to interpret. I have looked at my copies of Datafiles and Profiles on Albatros fighters with this very question in mind and have been unable to come up with a very satisfactory answer. I can offer a bit of speculation here on what might have been used. I compiled some information on lozenge coverings for Fokker D-VIIs from books in my library. This a/c is much easier to determine fabric coverings from by looking at the fuselage or drooped elevator surfaces. Nearly all OAW built D-VIIs are covered with 4-color fabric while Albatros and Fokker built machines are a mix of 4 and 5-color fabrics. I have also seen a couple of photos of late war Albatos C-I trainers with 5-color lozenge fabric covering, however in this case I cannot recall if this macnine was Albatros or sub-contractor built. I think that the only way to develop a definitive answer regarding Albatros wing coverings would be to examine the original prints of photos of this aircraft and try and piece this evidence together. Perhaps some one out there already has done that, if so, I wish that they would write this up. My $0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:03:42 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: <199703042203.AA20491@ednet1.orednet.org> Erik diligently typed: > From the photographic evidence, so far as I can tell to this point, I >seem to see mostly 5-color upper loz. on the rudder. I can see 2 pictures >which may be 4-color; hard to tell though, given the photo quality. But, >on the back cover of Windsock Datafile-- Albatros we see what appears to >be an un-restored rudder from and OAW built D.III that is sporting what >I'm pretty sure is 5-color *undersurface* lozenge. What gives? > Does anyone know more about this rudder? Is it from the AWM? Has anyone >any further information on the use of loz. fabric on Albatri fighters? > Thanks in advance, you guys. Dunno - I'll go through my books and pictures this evening and see if I come up with any bright thoughts. But, as a preliminary aside, I seem to remember once reading that ailerons were often covered with a single lozenge pattern on both sides - either top or bottom as it was available. The explanation, as I recall, was that it was easier just to wrap the fabric material around the leading edge of the aileron and secure the top and bottom flaps of the fabric at the trailing edge - thus avoid the complications and potential weakness of stitching two separate pieces together at both front and rear. And because the control surfaces were often covered with whatever leftover scraps of fabric were available, they used top or bottom lozenge indiscriminately, depending on what was available at the time. I don't remember actually doing a photo study looking for this phenomenon so this is just a distant memory of something once read at this time. But, if true, perhaps that is what is going on with your rubber covered with underside lozenge? Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:08:29 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: <199703042208.AA22870@ednet1.orednet.org> > It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this >thing, or seen it? Yep - worth the $8.00 for sure as long as the decals come with it. But the rather large errata sheet included with the book makes you kinda wonder about the caliber of the basic research that went into it or how many errors it might still contain that aren't covered by the errata sheet. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:14:50 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: <199703042214.AA25063@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles wrote: > Personally, I have wondered how well the photos are reproduced in the >Glenco book. My copy is the original Aircam edition and some of the photos >in it are marginal in reproduction quality. The Glencoe book is not a marked improvement for sure. I lost my original copy of the Aircam book in a house fire so I don't have it for comparison but the photo quality in the new book does not, to my recollection, differ significantly from those in the old. > Is the decal sheet from Glenco the same as included in the re-issued >SPAD XIII kit ? This has been a lingering question in my mind. A completely separate group of aircraft and markings. You might want to buy the new book for the decals but I wouldn't recommend it just as an attempt to upgrade your photos if you've still got the Aircam edition. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:26:09 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: >> It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this >>thing, or seen it? > > >Yep - worth the $8.00 for sure as long as the decals come with it. >But the rather large errata sheet included with the book makes you >kinda wonder about the caliber of the basic research that went into >it or how many errors it might still contain that aren't covered by >the errata sheet. > The original Aircam edition of the SPAD book included two separate color printed sheets of Escadrille insignia. Are these included in the Glenco edition ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:18:44 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: <199703042218.AA26961@ednet1.orednet.org> I wrote: >But, if true, perhaps that is what is going on with your >rubber covered with underside lozenge? Tee-hee! I meant, of course, "rudder", honest Erik! Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:29:47 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: >Charles wrote: >> Is the decal sheet from Glenco the same as included in the re-issued >>SPAD XIII kit ? This has been a lingering question in my mind. Bill S. replied: >A completely separate group of aircraft and markings. You might >want to buy the new book for the decals but I wouldn't recommend it >just as an attempt to upgrade your photos if you've still got >the Aircam edition. Thanks for the information Bill. Any 1/72 scale devotees out there in Web-land wish to part with otherwise useless 1/48 SPAD decals ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:26:37 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'Bill Shatzer'" Cc: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Albatros loz. Message-ID: Bill Astonishingly, you write: >>But, if true, perhaps that is what is going on with your >>rubber covered with underside lozenge? Ultra thin, technicolour, ribbed, ticklered, I have heard of. But lozenge covered. WHAT a picture ;-) ROTFLMAO Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:11:06 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <199703050011.UAA29355@fw.true.net> Comparisons are always difficult, but let me share with you a recent experience: Two of my best friend-modelers one is on boats ( those things that float on the surface of water, instead of gracefully do it in the air ) and the other one is on figures ( funny guys in kinky costumes, Romans, Samurai warriors etc. ). And we are all the time trying to convert each to the others camp, well for the next national show to be held in April we agreed to have a go at the others field, they looked at some of my books etc. and one chose a Blue Max Pfalz DXII $ 30.00 + - direct and the other a Lone Star Macchi M5 and I went to look at their catalogues, a 1/700 scale warship, now that's really tiny whiny, well prices for resin and photoetc kits run between $ 30.00 and 70.00 some as high as $100.00 and up, as for the figures a Verlinder 120mm resin figure goes for about 39.95. So our Cottage Industries are not really out of price and the craftsmanship is in many cases superb and I certainly agree that I prefer to be on the buying side that on the selling side of this business ( only when money is concerned as I would rather like to spend my working time tooling models ). The above is not an invitation for a price increase but for the peace pipe to be brought out and shared among both sides SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: > >A completely separate group of aircraft and markings. You might > >want to buy the new book for the decals but I wouldn't recommend it > >just as an attempt to upgrade your photos if you've still got > >the Aircam edition. > > Thanks for the information Bill. Any 1/72 scale devotees out there in > Web-land wish to part with otherwise useless 1/48 SPAD decals ?? > Since I posted first, and have no intention of deviating from that hollowed Scale of Steve, I'd be willing.... Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, or even Insurance?..." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:18:41 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <199703050018.UAA29524@fw.true.net> At 11:29 PM 03-03-97 -0500, you wrote: >Yes about a week ago. I am on the first class program > >David Layton >St. Louis > Rich people, Rich people I just by chance got mine today via Proletarian Donkey Mail SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:26:24 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: anybody out there Message-ID: <199703050026.TAA17823@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I've gotten no messages today (Tuesday, March 4, 1997). Is my machine mad at me again or is everyone suddenly tongue-tied?????? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:26:47 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Rep : Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT Message-ID: <199703050026.UAA29772@fw.true.net> At 03:28 PM 04-03-97 -0500, you wrote: >Very funny, but do you realize what we French people pay by way of taxes, >direct and indirect? One of the highest rates in the world. Come over and see >for yourself... Some French cottage manufacturers have seen the writing on >the wall and emigrated to Britain or the States. Be patient.... It takes time >to get a green card. >Francois.. > Tipically French, the Government is responsible ! Have you seen the price of the AJP Taube and Caudron G3 in 1/48 scale ? well over $ 100.00 each I think it's time to erect again the Guillotine Liberte , Egalite, Fraternite mon chere ami SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:24:23 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: <19970305003841.AAA8139@default> Dealing with lozenge coverings is iffy in the best of situations. I haven't found any hard and fast rules about any manufacturers and they type fabric they used. Most Albatros aircraft I've seen have five color fabric covering, unless of course, they were built under license for Fokker. Then they usually seem to use four color. Numerous examples of deviations can be readily found, but this is the trend I've noticed. Take a look at the Fokker D.VII Datafile and you'll see what I mean. Page 10 shows a Fok. D.VII in five color and page 11 shows one in four color. Both of these aircraft are of fairly early Albatros manufacture. As I said above, the trend that I've found indicates that most of the Albatros designs used five color, but if you really want to add to the confusion, take a look at the top photo on page 33 of the Albatros Datafile Special. The aileron hanging in the foreground is covered on the underside four color lozenge... While I heartily agree with Mr. Hart about the easier locations for identification of lozenge patterns. I would, however, like to throw in the standard disclaimer.... "Your mileage may vary!" A perfect item to demonstrate this is the photo of a Fokker D.VIII on page 23 (center)of the D.VIII Datafile. The fuselage is covered in what appears to be four color lozenge and the horizontal stab and elevators look to covered in the five color pattern. Unless you have photos of the A/C you're modeling, a best guess using the prevailing trends is about the best hope you have. The above statements are my opinion. That is ALL they are. I hope they prove helpful. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:08:53 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT Message-ID: <19970304.191202.14486.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:28:10 -0500 Fportier@aol.com writes: > Very funny, but do you realize what we French people pay by way > of taxes, direct and indirect? One of the highest rates in the > world. Come over and see for yourself... Some French cottage > manufacturers have seen the writing on the wall and emigrated to > Britain or the States. Be patient.... It takes time to get a > green card. I did not know this, thanks Francois. My apologies if I offended you. I will now cease and desist all talk about prices and stuff, and do what Bob suggested: keep my mouth shut. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:22:39 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 4 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <331D031F.4113@host.dmsc.net> 944. Fair but very misty all day. Went off alone at 7:40 this morning and flew over the German lines to Ham, St Quentin, Guiscard, and South to Soissons. Went at 4,000 metres. Got completely lost in heavy mist around Soissons and went all the way Southwest to the aviation station at Le Bourget beside Paris before discovering where I was. Had to land there to refill my tanks and then started back to the lines again. Flew north to Peronne and saw some of the fighting along the English lines but got lost again and had to land at an English aviation field to find out where I was. I was some distance north of Amiens so followed the routes south but got out of gasoline when I got as far as Mondider so landed on the field of the Escadrille N-79 to get my tanks refilled. It was noon then so I had luncheon there and phoned my plight to the Escadrille. Returned to our field after lunch, getting here at 2 o'clock. Did nearly 450 kilometers in the air to-day in about 4 1/2 hours with heavy mist to balk me all the time. Feel mighty weary and ready for a good sound mights rest. Claude and Moyer came over from the Legion to day and had dinner with us. Thaw and I took them back to their cantonment in the auto late in the evening. The ride in the cool night air has done me lots of good. I'll sleep soundly to night alright. This has been a very strenuous day indeed. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet *********************************************** Sunday, March 4, 1917 Day bid well to be excellent in early morning so got permission from Lieut. DeLaage to go out alone. Left at 7:40 and went directly over the enemy lines at 4,000 meters. Passed over Roye and east to Ham and St Quentin and then headed south over Guiscard and Noyon observing the German 4th line trenches along that road. Saw no enemy machines nor was I fired at by any enemy anti-aircraft batteries. Mist was extremely thick and I got lost down by Soissons thinking I was still over German territory. Instead I had passed over lines without knowing it and didn't find out my position until I was next to Paris and over the aviation camp at Le Bourget. My gasoline was too low to keep on so landed there and filled up. Was there about a half hour and then left and headed north for the lines again. Went up to Peronne and north of the Somme where I got lost again and after passing five English machines heading west from their lines, discovered one of their aviation camps and landed there to discover my whereabouts. Found I was away north of Amiens so left and headed south over Amiens and to Montdidier where Escadrille N-79 is stationed. It was noon then so I had dejeuner with Griford at the escadrille mess. Had my machine refilled and left at 1:45 for St Just, landed there at 2 o'clock and broke my propellor in the mud and a rib in my lower right wing. Was in the air fully 4 and a half hours and felt completely fagged out and miserable. All thought I had been brought down by the enemy until I'd phoned from Mondidier at noon. Time: 4 1/2 hours Height 4000 meters from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:26:23 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 5 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <331D03FF.298F@host.dmsc.net> 945. Rainy day. Was unable to fly this morning altho we were on service. Used the time to take a good hot bath. Letter came from Cousin Eleanor Cresson. Wrote to Olive Dyer, telling her about the photo coming at last, to Rivers and to darling Gertrude this afternoon. Will I ever hear from her again? It seems very hopeless indeed. Asked for next Saturday and Sunday to leave to Paris. I =may= get it. I want to see Major Parker and also Hugh Eastburn if he is there at the American Ambulance in Nuilly. Feeling very tired to-night. Am turning in early. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:39:58 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Joseph Gentile wrote: > Matt, It will probably be of little comfort but FWIW the JMGT St. Chammonds > is in 1/48 not 1/72. Just think, nearly twice as much resin for that same > $48.00 USD and with all those *other* 1/48 kits in your collection the > diorama possibilities are endless! > > Just kidding, just kidding don't kill me! Aaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh! Don't lead us on like that!!!!!!! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:23 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI Modeller Frozen in Time Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, S.M. Head wrote: > Joey speaketh: > > >BTW, I presume you're joining the more prestigious 1/48 scale camp? > > Pitch your tent in Joey's camp and be prepared to swat the swarms of 1/72 > scale mosquitos that infest our ranks! Hear, hear! > Actually, we all get along fine and just rib each other (to no end!) about > scale (you've probably already figured us out in your past 6 weeks, we're > generally a harmless bunch). If I were to be honest I'd have to admit to > building both scales, and even 1/144. I'd like to dabble in 1/144 as well. Sort of like models for my 1/48 pilots. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:32:07 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: <331CCD17.9A1@interaccess.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > Bill > > Astonishingly, you write: > > >>But, if true, perhaps that is what is going on with your > >>rubber covered with underside lozenge? > > Ultra thin, technicolour, ribbed, ticklered, I have heard of. > > But lozenge covered. WHAT a picture ;-) > > ROTFLMAO > > Shane How long till BLUE RIDER brings it out? And what does this say about all those 1/72 scale guys?? Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:41:09 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT Message-ID: <199703050141.VAA01456@fw.true.net> > >I did not know this, thanks Francois. My apologies if I offended >you. I will now cease and desist all talk about prices and >stuff, and do what Bob suggested: keep my mouth shut. > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > Not even you believe that ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:03:46 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Erik Pilawskii wrote: > Greetings, > > Just received a copy of a book put out by Glencoe Models on the SPAD VII > to XIII. The thing appears to be an old Osprey Pubs. work, re-issued by > Glencoe (there is a caption on pp.12 that says "...and is now (1969) Group > Cpt. J.H. Herring....") The cover looks like something from Avro Aircam. > The description of the various SPAD models I think is pretty good, and > seems for what I know about them to be accurate. It has some b/w cammo > arrangement drawings, and several pages of color plates. Just don't trust the color plates too much. I think they've rendered Nungesser's plane as having a single green color on top. Actually, the plane had 5 col camo. > Included with the > book is a sheet of decals for Glencoe's Balloon Scale S.XIII, which also > is rather nice (if huge...). > It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this > thing, or seen it? I agree, well worth it. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:08:37 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Charles Hart wrote: > The original Aircam edition of the SPAD book included two separate > color printed sheets of Escadrille insignia. Are these included in the > Glenco edition ?? Yes it does! These sheets are bound with the rest of the pages. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:06:17 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <199703050244.VAA16844@newman.concentric.net> FSM did a piece on a 1/32-scale museum model of the IM complete with fairly detailed plans. I can find the ref. if anyone needs it. The Flying Machines Press Russian book also has plans. Still others can be found in the old Harleyford. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:41:41 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros loz. Message-ID: <199703050246.VAA17899@newman.concentric.net> > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:24:23 -0500 > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Albatros loz. > >But, if true, perhaps that is what is going on with your > >rubber covered with underside lozenge? > > Tee-hee! I meant, of course, "rudder", honest Erik! > Gee, and I thought that maybe the OtF conventions were more like the Elks than I suspected. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <970304215525_952127091@emout18.mail.aol.com> Check Windsock. Harry Woodman did some G plans a yew years back ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:03:45 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Me Message-ID: <199703050303.WAA18717@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hey, Al, did I get unsubscribed? For some reason, the only messages I got today were from Alberto and Jose telling me they got my message. Do I need to do something, or is this just some weird internet Bermuda triangle I fell into today????? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Welcome/Scale Wars Message-ID: <199703050324.TAA07364@olympus.net> At 11:13 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: > >>Welcome, Welcome Fernando! >>BTW, I presume you're joining the more prestigious 1/48 scale camp? > >Yes indeed, a hearty welcome Fernando! > >Pitch your tent in Joey's camp and be prepared to swat the swarms of 1/72 >scale mosquitos that infest our ranks! > >Actually, we all get along fine and just rib each other (to no end!) about >scale (you've probably already figured us out in your past 6 weeks.......... Thanks to all for the warm welcome. As I recall, I paid little attention to scale back in my modelling days in the 60's. I think I had some little 1/72's and, of course, Aurora was 1/48 and I had a LARGE Spad and a Fokker Dr. I which must have been Revell 1/28's. I come as a neutral observer to this Scale War but, from what I have observed for the past six weeks, it is similar to the wars in medicine: 1/72 (The Brain Surgeons) The brain surgeon is extremely skilled (and lets every other surgeon know it) and works on the tiniest of blood vessels and structures. They are so tiny that he requires an operating microscope to do his work. Once the operation is finished, you can not see his work. 1/48 (The Breast Surgeons) The breast surgeons work with much larger structures and therefore are not as manually gifted as the brain surgeons. Although the brain surgeons lord their greater skill over the breast surgeons, the breast surgeons just smile because it is THEIR work that is going to end up on the cover of "Cosmopolitan" magazine and that drives the brain surgeons crazy. Above 1/32 or above (The Orthopeadic Surgeons) The orthopeadic surgeons are met each day at the operating room door by a nurse whose job it is to remind them to take the chewing gum out of their mouths since, as everybody knows, orthopeadic surgeons do not have the dexterity to operate and chew gum at the same time. They "operate" by making huge incisions and wildly pounding steel rods that look like lightning rods down broken femurs with 5 pound mallets. The other surgeons consider them "carpenters" but never say that to their face as orthopeadic surgeons are usually 6 feet 3 inches tall, weigh 250 pounds (mostly muscle) and have no sense of humor whatsoever. Best regards, Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 454 *********************