WWI Digest 453 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfalz update by "Valenciano . Jose" 2) Thursday, 1 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) Friday, 2 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 4) Saturday, 3 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 5) Re: cottage industries by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: cottage industries by mbittner@juno.com 7) Over The Front by "Bill Ciciora" 8) Re: Over The Front by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) RE: cottage industries by Shane Weier 10) RE: cottage industries by Shane Weier 11) Re: Over The Front by Alberto Rada 12) Re: New Releases Bregeut by DavidL1217@aol.com 13) Re: Pfalz update by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: cottage industries by Joseph Gentile 15) Re: Over The Front by Carlos Valdes 16) Re: cottage industries by DavidL1217@aol.com 17) balloons by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT by DavidL1217@aol.com 19) Re: WWI Modeller Frozen in Time by "S.M. Head" 20) Re: cottage industries by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Re: Over The Front by DavidL1217@aol.com 22) Re: Ilya Murometz by "Shelley Goodwin" 23) Re: Pfalz update by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) Re[2]: New Releases Bregeut by "Shelley Goodwin" 25) Re: Over The Front by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 26) Re: cottage industries by John Huggins 27) Re: Over The Front by Graham Nash 28) Re: cottage industries by mbittner@juno.com 29) Re: Over The Front by mbittner@juno.com 30) Re: Over The Front by Peter Kilduff 31) way, way off topic - BMW M3 kit by "Brian Bushe" 32) Cottage Industries by Sandy Adam 33) Albatros loz. by Erik Pilawskii 34) Glencoe Models SPAD book by Erik Pilawskii 35) Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book by Kevin Wenker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:13:28 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pfalz update Message-ID: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Carlos Valdes wrote: > > > I can report that, surprisingly (at least to me), the kit is that of a > > D.III only; I was really expecting and hoping for a D.IIIa. As I noted Since the guns are buried, Eduard probably won't provide etched gun jackets, right? Darn! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:00:18 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 1 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <331BAC62.2107@host.dmsc.net> 941. Cleared off finely by this afternoon. Decorated a French 75 shell for Bob Soubiran this morning and wrote up some aviation notes for Major Parker. A Boche machine was signaled well within our lines early this afternoon and I started quickly out with three others but was too anxious and didn't take sufficient care about the direction of the wind. I went out with it too much on one side and it proved too strong. It got beneath my wing and before I could cut off my motor it had turned me over. Didn't get hurt myself but the poor machine got pretty badly smashed--so much so that it has been given up as a hopeless job. Am feeling glum over that rotten piece of luck as it was an excellent machine with a nearly new motor and now I am without a machine of my own. Our "ace" Raoul Lufberry was decorated this afternoon with the Cross of the Legion of Honor and we had a feast this evening with Commandant Facon as our honorary guest. The Commandant entertained us after dinner with some excellent music on the piano. He plays by ear extremely well. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ***************************************************** Thursday, March 1, 1917 A german machine was signaled over an aviation field near Compaigne well within the French lines about 2 o'clock this afternoon and I was one of those designated to go out in search for it. I was the first to get away but was entirely too much in a hurry and tried to leave the ground with the wind to my side instead of in front and consequently it got beneath my wing and I turned over with a terrific crash and smashed up the machine terribly but didn't even get scratched myself. Felt terribly disgusted because the machine was an excellent one with a dandy new motor and now I'm entirely without one for a good long time, and I'll probably get an old one belonging at present to one of the other fellows. Such is my luck. I haven't had any good luck at all since coming to the front with any of the machines I've had to pilot. Wish I could get one of the new 120 h.p. It makes 171 kilometers an hour at 2,000 meters and 4,000 meters is as fast as the Spad-- 163 kilometers an hour. The machine I smashed today was Lieut. Thaw's old one #1950. from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:07:10 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 2 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <331BADFE.348A@host.dmsc.net> 942. Too foggy this morning to permit us to go out for a flight. Had we gone out I was to have used MacConnell's machine. Wrote up a lot of notes for the Major during the day. I want to get into Paris for a couple of days before the 15th to see him. Lovell, Willis, and Hinkle arrived here late this afternoon from Plessis Belleville. Willis brought me the photograph of Olive Dyer which she sent me in December and which I had counted as completely lost. It had gone to Pau and Willis had found it on a shelf in one of the Barracks there covered with dust. Am mighty glad he found it. Olive surely is a mighty sweet looking young lady. Will Dyer is certainly a mighty lucky husband. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:16:14 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 3 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <331BB01E.51AA@host.dmsc.net> 943. Fair day. Got up late. Decorated part of a French soxiante-quinze shell for Soubiran. Went out with Thaw and some of the other fellows in the auto to visit the Legion this afternoon where it is in repose in several small villages west of St Just at present. Saw quite a number of the Americans among whom were Casey and Trinkard--the latter on his way to Dijon to enter the aviation corps. We carried out two good bottles of whiskey and they certainly made a speedy disappearance down the gullets of those Legionnaires. It being pay day for them we found a very large majority of them gloriously drunk and consequently feeling very happy. "Whiskey" accompanied us in the car and made quite an impression upon the Legionnaires-- such an impression indeed that one old drunken one got his nasal organ nicely scratched up for being too friendly inclined toward our lion. Casey, going to Paris for 24 hours came back in the car with us and had dinner before taking a train. Received letters from dear little Mother and Rivers. Rivers has passed the exams and has been appointed as Ensign in the 8th Division of the N.Y. State Naval Militia which makes me feel decidedly and mighty proud of him. Its a good start and he ought to go up the line fairly rapidly should war break out soon with Germany. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:00:56 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <19970303.200246.13718.12.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:44:05 -0500 Bob Norgren writes: > Start your own business and see for yourself. But take my > advice. Don't quit your day job... I never said it didn't take money, time and effort. I'm just wondering why Sierra Scale (one of the premiere cottage industries - thanks, Bob!) and others such as Rosemont can be affordable while Skybirds and JMGT are so much more than affordable. I am glad for the cottage industry. Without it, I wouldn't be building as many WW1. Please don't take my "complaints" as knocking the cottage industry as a whole. I'm just picking a couple of those that are practicing what seems *to me* to be a little more greed than the rest. Sorry if I offended you. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:00:57 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <19970303.200246.13718.13.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:51:35 -0500 Bob Norgren writes: > Joe's right. Without the cottage guys, the WWI fan would have to > learn how to scratchbuild in a hurry or do endless Airfix Camels > and Dr.Is, etc. There simply is no one else. Once, at a show, I > had two yuppie-looking lawyers standing in front of my table > mocking the prices. Do you think they bat an eye when they > charge some poor little old lady $200/hour? Not on your > life...Bitching about the price of a model in the days of $5 > burgers and $20K cars is absurd. That I don't agree with. "Bitching" about the price is what causes those in the retail business to take notice. So, you're telling me that you like to buy $5 burgers? Not me. And it appears that not McDonald's, either, since they dropped the price of a Big Mac to $.55. Too many people now-a-days just sit back and let things happen, without questioning are suggesting alternatives. And I will leave it at that, since the rest will start a political war I do *not* want to get into. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:28:27 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Over The Front Message-ID: Have any Over the Front subscribers received their last 1996 issue? It seems like a long time since I had one. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:33:00 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <331BC21C.60FD@host.dmsc.net> Bill Ciciora wrote: > > Have any Over the Front subscribers received their last 1996 issue? It > seems like a long time since I had one. > > Bill C. Bill, just received mine this past week. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: cottage industries Message-ID: Matt: >>> Not on your >>> life...Bitching about the price of a model in the days of $5 >>> burgers and $20K cars is absurd. > >>That I don't agree with. "Bitching" about the price is what >>causes those in the retail business to take notice. So, you're >>telling me that you like to buy $5 burgers? Not me. And it >>appears that not McDonald's, either, since they dropped the price >>of a Big Mac to $.55. Bitching is going to get you nowhere when the supplier is already living hand to mouth. I suggest that most of them are more likely to say "F..k you then, I'll go get a real job and make some money too" rather than drop their prices enough to suit the customer. regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:32:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: cottage industries Message-ID: Matt, >>I never said it didn't take money, time and effort. I'm just >>wondering why Sierra Scale (one of the premiere cottage >>industries - thanks, Bob!) and others such as Rosemont can be >>affordable while Skybirds and JMGT are so much more than >>affordable. I put it down to the water. All that water betwixt you and them. Not because of the additional freight, though that is a factor, but on account of it makes them NOT AMERICAN. I suspect that tax regimes vary considerably, and other oncosts will vary in ways that you wouldn't imagine without first living there. Not directly apropos the cost of manufacture, but can I illustrate this with an Aussie example. I can wander down to my local model shop and have a Glecoe resurrection of the Aurora Pfalz D.III for the sum of A$35 which is about US$28. Bet THAT gives you a shock. OTOH the new eduard D.III will cost me A$24 == US$18.90 which is cheaper than you'll probably get it in the US The difference is made up by volume purchases, different importers and distributors and so on. Plus both kits suffer by being labelled "toys" and taxed at the highest rate with other luxuries like caviar >>I am glad for the cottage industry. Without it, I wouldn't be >>building as many WW1. Please don't take my "complaints" as >>knocking the cottage industry as a whole. I'm just picking a >>couple of those that are practicing what seems *to me* to be a >>little more greed than the rest. A better comparison would be Skybirds versus Pegasus, at least both operate under the same taxation regimes. It's a bit hard to compare Skybirds with Rosemont when you don't know whether Rosemont pay 2% tax on raw materials and Skybirds 50%. I'd guess that Chris Gannon at Pegasus has a much greater turnover of stock than Skybirds (who after all ONLY sell from home), and all the advantages that go with larger volume. Skybirds have simply made the choice of low volume (which is why he won't use distributors) and high cost against high volume and lower cost with the attendant risk of unsold stock, expensive mass producttion equipment etc. Not, as I see it, greed, just capitalism at work. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:57:42 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <199703040257.WAA01670@fw.true.net> At 09:36 PM 03-03-97 -0500, you wrote: >Have any Over the Front subscribers received their last 1996 issue? It >seems like a long time since I had one. > > >Bill C. > Me too ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:17:52 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Releases Bregeut Message-ID: <970303221752_1282973358@emout02.mail.aol.com> I expect a crash in Aurora Bregeut futures... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz update Message-ID: <970303221922_1947742384@emout11.mail.aol.com> Still got those Gencoe decals... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:30:31 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <199703040330.VAA16579@Walden.MO.NET> At 09:08 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:44:05 -0500 Bob Norgren > writes: > >> Start your own business and see for yourself. But take my >> advice. Don't quit your day job... > >I never said it didn't take money, time and effort. I'm just >wondering why Sierra Scale (one of the premiere cottage >industries - thanks, Bob!) and others such as Rosemont can be >affordable while Skybirds and JMGT are so much more than >affordable. Matt, It will probably be of little comfort but FWIW the JMGT St. Chammonds is in 1/48 not 1/72. Just think, nearly twice as much resin for that same $48.00 USD and with all those *other* 1/48 kits in your collection the diorama possibilities are endless! Just kidding, just kidding don't kill me! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:12:08 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <331B9308.6F88@conted.gatech.edu> Bill, I got my issue about a week ago. Those who signed up for first class delivery get theirs first and then the rest of us. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:25:37 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <970303222536_1780010682@emout05.mail.aol.com> Charles, I can not disagree. A Skybirds issue is actually better thought out than the Pegusus kits and has more neat bits to go into. Actually, if you see the Winsock reviews, you can see that the big guys can learn a thing or too from this outfit. Mike Eacock produces the Skybirds to supplement his retirement. He contracts all of the molding and suppliers. He makes his own masters. Everyone should try at least one. Think of the Merlin and old Aurora kits we paid big bucks for.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:33:14 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: balloons Message-ID: <199703040333.WAA14273@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Brian Disregard last message. I found your address. Again, apologies to all for clogging things up. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Releases - JMGT Message-ID: <970303221639_1914187564@emout18.mail.aol.com> Non, non, monseiur, zee JMGT models are quite a bargain, you see. Ze JMGT models come from only zee finest virgin resin available. Zhen zhey are lovingly packaaaaged with zee finest of braaaaaassss bits and metal du blanc components. Le moteur est trei magnifique! But zhen again, maybe only a Frenchman can catch zhese subtle differences. Ha ha, thank goodness for little models..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:12:28 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeller Frozen in Time Message-ID: <9703032309.aa23673@mail.iapc.net> Joey speaketh: >Welcome, Welcome Fernando! > >You should post more messages. > >BTW, I presume you're joining the more prestigious 1/48 scale camp? Yes indeed, a hearty welcome Fernando! Pitch your tent in Joey's camp and be prepared to swat the swarms of 1/72 scale mosquitos that infest our ranks! Actually, we all get along fine and just rib each other (to no end!) about scale (you've probably already figured us out in your past 6 weeks, we're generally a harmless bunch). If I were to be honest I'd have to admit to building both scales, and even 1/144. Cheers, and welcome! Scott H ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "Make it idiot proof - IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum | and someone will make a better idiot!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:09:44 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <970303223630_2062238537@emout17.mail.aol.com> Pegusus kits are nice and use standard assembly practice. Cost $20. US Skybirds has nicer modings and are resin (i.e. thin) with very clever assembly, (i.e. less filler required) and more brass and metal bits. Cost $35 US You get what you pay for. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <970303223128_-1607324734@emout08.mail.aol.com> Yes about a week ago. I am on the first class program David Layton St. Louis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 20:19:50 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz Message-ID: <9702038574.AA857449690@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone contemplating this kit better have a belt sander as the flying surfaces and almost everything else is really THICK. It may be worth it to scratch new wings, use just the fuselage and throw the rest on the scrap heap. I usually open the box, fondle the parts for a few minutes before getting discouraged and then put it away again. I work in a model shop, so I'm serious about the belt sander. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Ilya Murometz Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/2/97 6:50 PM -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Francois' mention of this kit has rekindled my interest in this plane. Has anyone else actually built the kit? Any particular pitfalls to be avoided or detail parts available? How about color schemes? Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Ave Omaha, NE 68123 npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 20:24:37 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz update Message-ID: <9702038574.AA857449709@mx.Ricochet.net> Mr. Roll, When are you gonna get these? I've got a gift certificate burning a hole in my files. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Pfalz update Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/2/97 1:00 PM Guys, I went by a local hobby shop today which happened to have the new Eduard kit in stock (I didn't get it as I have one coming via mail order). The boxes were sealed, so I can't comment on the components, but I can report that, surprisingly (at least to me), the kit is that of a D.III only; I was really expecting and hoping for a D.IIIa. As I noted before, the decals are for Lenz's silbergrau machine and Berthold's red and blue bird (colors I believed I had seen applied only to a D.IIIa). Of course, Blue Max does make a more expensive kit of a D.IIIa, but an Eduard "a" would have been both more affordable and probably easier for us non-experts to build. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 20:21:56 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: New Releases Bregeut Message-ID: <9702038574.AA857449700@mx.Ricochet.net> Whats all this then!? Someone putting out a new balloon scale XIV? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: New Releases Bregeut Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/3/97 7:19 PM I expect a crash in Aurora Bregeut futures... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <199703040726.XAA09418@concord.televar.com> >Have any Over the Front subscribers received their last 1996 issue? It >seems like a long time since I had one. > > >Bill C. Bill - I too am on the 4th class (cheap) program, and mine just showed up today. So would expect you'll have yours in a day or two. Great issue too, lots of middle-eastern stuff...even Nieuport seaplanes in the Dardanelles. Way cool...... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:05:18 -0600 (CST) From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:46:58 -0500 hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU >(Charles Hart) writes: > >You know, it seems that whenever I complain about the prices of >kits - especially Skybirds and JMGT - someone inevitably chimes >in with "it takes time and money". > >I agree with that point, as well as the fact that most cottage >makers are more in it for the "help to the fellow modeler" then >making a living at it. A lot of shops just want to break even on >what they sell. > >However, that doesn't explain why Skybirds' Halberstadt D.II - a >*single* seater - costs $35, while Rosemonts Sikorsky S-10 >seaplane - with floats, plus it's a double-seater - costs $24.95. >Even considering shipping and handling, it just doesn't add up. > >Now, when we mention JMGT - for those who don't know their St. >Chammond, a 1/72nd resin tank - we wonder why it costs $47.98. >This thing is much smaller than your typical single seater, and - >although I haven't seen the parts layout - probably has less >parts. > >Okay, rant mode off. Charles made some good points, but still, >it just doesn't add up. > Matt, Design, build the master, make the molds, get the accessories, have decals made, get the boxes printed and design and print the instructions. Then pour the resin in the molds that have to be replaced after every 8 to 10 castings and market the kit for $10.00 to $12.00 and you will see why these kits cost what they do. If you don't want to do all that work, at least look into what it will take to produce a kit. Include your time and all the costs involved to get the idea into a box on the shelf. We all want the kits. We all want the lower prices. The fact is that we can't have these kits for the cost of the coffee money any more. JPH :--* *--: : : : Patricia : : Ann : : Leahey : : LVN : : : ** :..: ( ) :: ** :: :: :: :: :: :: ::::: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:16:10 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <199703041049.AA15210@egate.citicorp.com> What number is the latest issue to which you are referring, No 3 or No 4.? Many thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 06:01:20 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: cottage industries Message-ID: <19970304.050356.9078.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:24:34 -0500 Joseph Gentile writes: > Matt, It will probably be of little comfort but FWIW the JMGT > St. Chammonds is in 1/48 not 1/72. Just think, nearly twice as > much resin for that same $48.00 USD and with all those *other* > 1/48 kits in your collection the diorama possibilities are > endless! Sorry, but all of my sources say the St. Chammond *is* 1/72nd. They could be releasing one in 1/48th - I don't know - but the current one is in the Scale of Hustad. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 06:03:22 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <19970304.050617.9078.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:53:05 -0500 Graham Nash writes: > What number is the latest issue to which you are referring, No 3 > or No 4.? Number 4. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 7:25:09 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: Re: Over The Front Message-ID: <970304072509.2025e92b@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> The Winter issue *is* in the mail. It's up to the US Post Office to get it out. Hope that helps. PK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:04:40 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: way, way off topic - BMW M3 kit Message-ID: <199703041506.PAA22584@itl.net> Sorry for the definite off topic, but I'm desperate. I'm looking for a Dragon (DML) M3 kit. I fyou know anyone who has one let me know......and please only mild flames as I have a delicate constitution! love and hugs Brian 'My mind is going. There is no question of it' - Hal 9000 Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Fieldhouse Lane (44) 01628 476 500 Marlow Fax 01628 475 522 Buckinghamshire SL7 1LU England ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:33:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Cottage Industries Message-ID: I have been following this with interest and like everyone else, thank providence for the Sierras and Blue Maxes etc of this world. For those who have not tried one of Bob's vacs, you should!!!. I'd like the whole range but I have a dozen of them lined up waiting as it is! Could I inject a note (D flat) of optimism though into the generally gloomy turn this thread has been taking. I returned to modelling 12-18 months ago and was absolutely delighted to find that the Auroras and Merits of my early infatuation with 48 scale WWI were mostly all still available, but augmented by dozens of marvellous injections by Eduard, Blue Max etc and vacs by Sierra, Tom's etc. 48scale WWI used to be a very closed field - it is now stronger than ever. For the 1/72 masochists, I remember the excitement of the Revell kits coming out three at a time in the 60s (?), but the choice now is surely many times wider. Another thread bemoaned lack of new 1/72 kits, but is there really that much still to be kitted - if you are prepared to include vacs? I don't know if the choice in the US is so different from over here, but my most recent Hannants catalogue includes names I never see mentioned by the 72 brethren on this list. Classic Plane and Scaleplanes to name but two, offer over fifty subjects between them including things at random, like an Austin Ball scout, Alb DI/II, Fokker M9 (now that I know what it is!), Fokker DI, DII, Blackburn Triplane. Would that the 48ers were so lucky! I empathise with Bob on the lot of the one-man-band but surely for consumers, both 1/48 and 1/72, we've never had it so good. (Oh god there must be a General Election in the offing, if I'm quoting ex-Prime Ministers!) Yours, with a half-full wine glass (as opposed to half-empty) in my hand as I typppppppppepe. (slurp!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: Albatros loz. Message-ID: Greetings All, Well, while working on this Albatros colors bit, I have been struck by a quandry. As you all know, a number of Albatri (late IIIs/Vs) had lozenge covered rudders. But, as I look at various photos, I begin to wonder what *type* of lozenge? From the photographic evidence, so far as I can tell to this point, I seem to see mostly 5-color upper loz. on the rudder. I can see 2 pictures which may be 4-color; hard to tell though, given the photo quality. But, on the back cover of Windsock Datafile-- Albatros we see what appears to be an un-restored rudder from and OAW built D.III that is sporting what I'm pretty sure is 5-color *undersurface* lozenge. What gives? Does anyone know more about this rudder? Is it from the AWM? Has anyone any further information on the use of loz. fabric on Albatri fighters? Thanks in advance, you guys. Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:16:32 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: Greetings, Just received a copy of a book put out by Glencoe Models on the SPAD VII to XIII. The thing appears to be an old Osprey Pubs. work, re-issued by Glencoe (there is a caption on pp.12 that says "...and is now (1969) Group Cpt. J.H. Herring....") The description of the various SPAD models I think is pretty good, and seems for what I know about them to be accurate. It has some b/w cammo arrangement drawings, and several pages of color plates. Included with the book is a sheet of decals for Glencoe's Balloon Scale S.XIII, which also is rather nice (if huge...). It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this thing, or seen it? Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 14:16:37 -0800 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Models SPAD book Message-ID: <331C9F45.6D1F@interaccess.com> Erik Pilawskii wrote: > It set me back $8.00 US, and was well worth it. Anyone else have this > thing, or seen it? > Erik Yes, I got it some time ago for the decals. Now, if only I can get started on that DML SPAD sitting on the shelf. First, I need to finish the SS DIII. Wish Glencoe would save the models and just do books and decals. Kevin ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 453 *********************