WWI Digest 444 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re[6]: DOH! Can't find Revell Nieuports by "Shelley Goodwin" 2) Re: Nieuport request by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by Pedro Soares 4) Re: Rep : Nieuport request by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: US roundels by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 6) fokkers by Frank Reaume 7) Re: fokkers by aew (Allan Wright) 8) RE: Lozenge on D VII by Sandy Adam 9) Re: fokkers by Joseph Gentile 10) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Rep : Welcome aboard by Fportier@aol.com 12) Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads by Fportier@aol.com 13) Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads by Fportier@aol.com 14) Rep : Re: Nieuport request by Fportier@aol.com 15) Re: fokkers by THENRYS@aol.com 16) Re: Vickers guns by aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) 17) Re: Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 18) Re: fokkers by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) E. III Decals? Injection kit? by Mathoo@aol.com 20) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Rep : Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: US roundels by mbittner@juno.com 23) Re: fokkers by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: models abound by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 25) Re: models abound by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 26) Re: models abound by Hirohisa Ozaki 27) Re: E. III Decals? Injection kit? by mbittner@juno.com 28) Re: Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 29) Re: Rep : Welcome aboard by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 18:25:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[6]: DOH! Can't find Revell Nieuports Message-ID: <9701238567.AA856751780@mx.Ricochet.net> Erik, Thanks. I just can't see forking out more than 3-$5 for a ESCI right now, so I may very well take you up on your offer. I would be willing to pay a little more than a fiver (or trade) for a Revell Nieup. I have the rest of the ESCI kits, and am not attatched to any other than the D.VII and Nieuport(by default). Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: DOH! Can't find Revell Nieuports Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/23/97 12:24 PM On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > How much are they each? > Riordan, this fool wants $6 a piece for them!! I tried to talk him down to $6 for *all three*, but no luck. OTOH, I have an extra ESCI N.17 that I'd sell ya for a song if you become desperate. Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" ............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 18:34:13 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <9701238567.AA856751789@mx.Ricochet.net> Matt, Is the Nie. IV a monoplane like the 6M? If so, I might have a couple of scanned pictures of one... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Nieuport request Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/23/97 11:52 AM Gents, I'm looking for any and all information on the Nieuport Seaplane. The Winter 1996 issue of OtF has a small article on the first sqadron of the French Naval Aviation, and there are some great photo's there. However, I want more, in hopes of enhancing some research. I am going to wait for the French tome, and hope that it includes something on this plane in that. It appears to me to be a Nieuport IV two-seater with floats. However, there also appears to be subtle differences. TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:12:44 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <331177AC.83B@anaep.pt> James Gibbons wrote: > > I've heard that there was a variant of the Spad XIII that had a cannon = > (30mm?) fring through the propellor hub. Does anyone know how common = > these aircraft were and whether or not they used the cannon against = > other planes or only against more stationary targets (balloons etc.)? = > Also, could the cannon be reloaded in flight or was it single shot? > > I would appreciate any information on this topic that I can get (or = > information on sources of such information). > > Thanks, > > James James, I know I'm quite late in this answer and, after all, others have already said almost all there is to know about the Spad XII but yesterday I finally found a brochure I bought a couple of years ago in France called "Les avions de Guynemer" where there are more than a couple lines dedicated to the Cannon Spad (it appears that Guynemer himself called his aircraft "l'avion Magique" so he must have been very proud of it, being the result of a close teamwork between the french ace and an engineer called Louis Becherau). According to the brochure (I'll do a bit of translation work now): The Spad XII is the result of the passionate work of Becherau and Guynemer. This aircraft uses a slightly elongated SPAD VII fuselage, and is equipped with the 200 Hp Hispano-Suiza 8Bc engine fitted with a reducer (don't really know if I got this reducer word right, the text says "reducteur", probably something like a mechanical "pop-off valve" :-)) Since the engine had more power, there was the need to increase fuel capacity. As such there was a 30 litre supplementary fuel tank close to the pilot. The weapons available were, on the one hand, a 37 mm Hotchkis, parallel to the aircraft's axis, passing through the propeller mount, for which the pilot could carry 12 ammunition rounds and on the other hand, a synchronized Vickers machine gun, mounted in a slightly offset to the right position, fed by a 400 round belt. Since the canon's breech would be located between the knees of the pilot it was impossible to use the traditional control column. Guynemer, in his letter of 8 January 1917 to Becherau advocates returning to the type of controls that were used in the Deperdussin A/c of before the war. The inconvenient of the SPAD XII C1 is that the canon only fires round by round, thus it can only be used by an expert pilot. Guynemer refers to Jacques Mortane that in order to rearm the canon quietly he would do it while flying inverted. (I can't see why though). The heavy smoke liberated after each shot was also a huge handicap. The specifications of the SPAD XII according to this brochure were: Powerplant - Hispano Suiza Power - 200 Hp Wingspan - 8 m Length - 6.35 m Height - 2.30 m Wing area - 20,20 m2 Empty weight - 600 Kg Full load weight - 890 Kg Max. Speed - 195 km/h at 2000 m Climb to - 5000 m in 20 mn Ceiling - 7000 m Weapons - 1 Vickers 7,7 + 1 37 mm canon The brochure has some more info on the particular aircraft of Guynemer and there's also 2 photographs of it as well as a color side view. I can of course provide you photocopies of all this stuff. Email me back if interested. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:20:59 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rep : Nieuport request Message-ID: <199702241220.HAA14410@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:17 PM 2/23/97 -0500, Fportier@aol.com wrote: >I have only been lurking so far but hope to be more active in the future. >F.Portier, 10 rue du Peintre Lebrun, 78000 Versailles, France. >Fportier@aol.com Greetings! I just sent away for the Flying Machines press new book on French aircraft. Hope to get it soon. Enjoy the list ;-} Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:21:01 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: US roundels Message-ID: <199702241221.HAA14419@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:53 PM 2/22/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >So, can anybody tell me which US roundel is more accurate? > >SuperScale, >Blue Rider, or >Americal? > >Does anybody have six roundels/rudder stripes I can buy - >assuming people think that Americal is more accurate? > >I would buy my own, but I'm really close, and don't want to >(key is "want to") wait. Hhhhmmmmm, this should be interesting. I think I have some spare US roundels but I'm not sure in what scale and by who. Let me know if you want them anyway. Please specify scale(he he!) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:59:16 -0500 From: Frank Reaume To: wwi Subject: fokkers Message-ID: <33119EB4.63D7@microplus.ca> Can anyone suggest a good match for the "olive-brown" streaky colour used by Fokker on his later machines? thanks, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: fokkers Message-ID: <199702241414.JAA14913@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Can anyone suggest a good match for the "olive-brown" streaky colour > used by Fokker on his later machines? Poly-scale "Fokker Topside Green" can't miss on that one! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:45:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Lozenge on D VII Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Shane Weier wrote: > Hi Kevin, > >>comes with blue and pink rib tapes. Any guess as to which ones I should use > Shane > (Brisbane, humid, hot, muggy, steaming, tropical bloody Brisbane, Ceud mile failte, (100,000 greetings - Gaelic) from Bonny Scotland, Kevin. Generally if you don't know to the contrary put the blue tapes on top and pink underneath. My nose bleeds for you having to put up with hot sticky Brisbane, Shane. I'm on the edge of the Highlands in Perthshire and looking out at 80mph winds and blizzards - want to swap? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:40:37 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: fokkers Message-ID: <199702241540.JAA22829@Walden.MO.NET> At 09:03 AM 2/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest a good match for the "olive-brown" streaky colour >used by Fokker on his later machines? > >thanks, Frank > >In addition to the Pollyscale suggestion that Al made you may want to try Floquil Pullman green. It is in their Railroad Colors line and comes in the tall bottle. It is a little more on the brown side a la Datafile color plates. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:07:30 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <199702241807.AA13610@ednet1.orednet.org> Pedro wrote: -snips- >According to the brochure (I'll do a bit of translation work now): > >The Spad XII is the result of the passionate work of Becherau and >Guynemer. This aircraft uses a slightly elongated SPAD VII fuselage, and >is equipped with the 200 Hp Hispano-Suiza 8Bc engine fitted with a >reducer (don't really know if I got this reducer word right, the text >says "reducteur", probably something like a mechanical "pop-off valve" >:-)) -snips- While I'm 30 years removed from my high school French class, I'd suspect that 'reducteur' probably refers to the reduction gearing for the propeller. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Welcome aboard Message-ID: <970224145136_917708304@emout13.mail.aol.com> I probably have more questions than answers but I hope to be useful. The number of WW1 modellers in France is woefully small and connoisseurship pretty limited. By the way, the formal style of address not being the norm in this group, by all means call me by my first name if you wish, ie. Francois. Talking of questions, I have one already: does anyone have a photo of a Salmson 2A2 flown by Kessel (a novelist) of Escadrille SAL 39? Escadrille insigna a white rabbit blowing a trumpet, on a red circle. Another thing. I used to collaborate with Francois Lespes of Veterans 72 (who produced vac-forms and later resin kits) but he sufferred a stroke and no longer seems able to proceed with his modelling activities. He has patterns for a Gotha-Ursinus G1 made by Martin Digmayer of the Czech Republic, which I doubt he will use now. A shame. I hasten to say that I have no Veterans 72 kits left to offer or sell except a few vacforms of Clement Ader's Eole and who would want to buy that in the States?. Along the years he produced the following models: Vac forms: Bleriot Artillerie (rotten kit) Nieuport 27, Eole, Farman 20, Letord 5, Jeannin Taube. Resin: Farman 20, Farman F40, Breguet 5, Taube, Caudron G2 (early carrier-borne floatplane), Ponnier, Morane-Saulnier type BB, MS type P, MS type AC. Best regards, FP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <970224145143_1424079760@emout01.mail.aol.com> Dans un courrier date du 24/02/1997 12:21:05, vous avez ecrit : >e I heard on the grapevine that a 1/48 model of the Spad XII was being prepared by one of the French "cottage manufacturers". No further details. FP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <970224145144_1481510288@emout03.mail.aol.com> you are correct, of course. FP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <970224145141_1248860944@emout18.mail.aol.com> Dear Mr Bittner, I could send you xerox copies of the article in Avions in the not too distant future (remind me of your snailmail address). The Nieuport IV floatplane is indeed an adaptation of the land-based version. One of the few plans I know (of the land-based version) is by Ian Stairs, it appears on p. 522 of Alan Durkota et al, *The Imperial Russian Air Servie*, Flying Machines Press, 1995. Examination of the photos of the floatplane version shows many divergences, particularly as regards the wings. I have to confess I had to improvise in many ways. When I stated my model was scratchbuilt that was not entirely correct: I used a Russian-made kit (provenance unknown, bought in London from Comet Miniatures, the last remaining kit) as a starting point but the errors were so glaring I rebuilt everything. The wings were made from plastic cards and the floats heavily converted from those provided in the old Airfix Tiger Moth kit (or was it the Auster Antarctic? one forgets). The forthcoming book about the French air force has already been ordered from me by my pen friend, Dr Glen K Merrill of Houston, Texas. You can call me Francois if you like. Best regards, FP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: fokkers Message-ID: <970224145439_1248854334@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-02-24 09:05:30 EST, you write: << Can anyone suggest a good match for the "olive-brown" streaky colour used by Fokker on his later machines? thanks, Frank >> Along those lines, I recently picked up a number of Airfix 1/72 scale kits since they are to be discontinued. Among them was the Dr1, which features markings of Werner Voss' mount that was finished in I believe the color to which Frank is referring. Are there any tips or ideas to how to achieve this finish ? Perhaps a tip from Jolly 'Ol England, where brush painting is still en vogue ? ( A joke for readers of Scale Aircraft Modelling, n'est-ce pas ?) Just looking to file this away for future notice, Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:48:52 -0500 From: aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vickers guns Message-ID: <199702242048.PAA03441@focus.baynet.net> Does anyone know of a source (if one exists) for a Vickers F gun in 1/48? Anything that would pass for one or that could be converted would do. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:07:25 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rep : Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <331410ea.19445552@relay.ping.be> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:56:56 -0500, you wrote: >you are correct, of course. >FP. Which one? When? That's really a great piece of news. So much so as it is, for once, in the right scale ;-). Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Foreign Liaison Officer (member F147) http://www.ping.be/IPMS Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:03:07 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fokkers Message-ID: <199702242303.SAA16946@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:37 AM 2/24/97 -0500, Joseph Gentile wrote: >At 09:03 AM 2/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Can anyone suggest a good match for the "olive-brown" streaky colour >>used by Fokker on his later machines? >> >>thanks, Frank >> >>In addition to the Pollyscale suggestion that Al made you may want to try >Floquil Pullman green. It is in their Railroad Colors line and comes in the >tall bottle. >It is a little more on the brown side a la Datafile color plates. OK, here my $.02. I'm sure everyone has their own favorite for the infamous Fokker streaking effect. I like to do an undercoat of clear doped linen or very light blue. Then I apply a top coat of Model master's Sable brown metallic that hasn't been shaken, but allowed to sort of seperate. I use a very stiff brush that I borrowed from my wife who uses it in finishing stained glass. Applying the brown over the undercoat with this stiff brush gives a pronounced streaked effect with a brownish-green cast to it. It looks a lot like the brown shaded Triplanes in the Datafile special. As for accuracy, I'm not that concerned, but it sure looks right to me. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: Mathoo@aol.com To: wwi Subject: E. III Decals? Injection kit? Message-ID: <970224185139_-2076580598@emout18.mail.aol.com> List, I wouls like some injection wheels for my Eduard "nekkid" E. III and maybe some aftermarket decals. Any thoughts? Matthew Burchette Mathoo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:18:52 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <19970224.182118.14494.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:56:48 -0500 Fportier@aol.com writes: > I heard on the grapevine that a 1/48 model of the Spad XII was > being prepared by one of the French "cottage manufacturers". No > further details. I've seen this listed in Hi-Tech's listing for a few months, and next to it has always been "TBD" (Too Be Determined). If he's to make this against the DML SPAD 13, then there will be a *lot* to the conversion, and I expect it to cost a bit. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:18:51 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rep : Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970224.182118.14494.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:22:13 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: First of all, sorry I'm behind. I've been sick most of the weekend, and started a new job today. > Greetings! I just sent away for the Flying Machines press new > book on French aircraft. Hope to get it soon. Enjoy the list > ;-} I hope you're not holding your breath. At the earliest I would say 15 March. However, I would probably venture later - maybe a lot later (like April). Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:18:52 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: US roundels Message-ID: <19970224.182118.14494.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:22:34 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > Hhhhmmmmm, this should be interesting. I think I have some > spare US roundels but I'm not sure in what scale and by who. Let > me know if you want them anyway. Please specify scale(he he!) Well, if they're either Blue Rider, or Americal, I would like 1/72nd ones. More specifically, ones that will fit a 1/72nd Nieuport 28. If they're Superscale, don't bother. I already have a sheet of those. TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:18:53 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: fokkers Message-ID: <19970224.182118.14494.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:58:25 -0500 THENRYS@aol.com writes: > Along those lines, I recently picked up a number of Airfix 1/72 > scale kits since they are to be discontinued. Among them was > the Dr1, which features markings of Werner Voss' mount that was > finished in I believe the color to which Frank is referring. > Are there any tips or ideas to how to achieve this finish ? > Perhaps a tip from Jolly 'Ol England, where brush painting is > still en vogue ? ( A joke for readers of Scale Aircraft > Modelling, n'est-ce pas ?) If I were you, I would search the archives for Steve Hustad's message on how he does it. All of his streaked finishes - although a bit "thick" in my opinion - are quite wonderful. Good luck! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:27:56 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: models abound Message-ID: Erik wrote: > Went out today to visit with old Emil from Skyway Models. Not only did >he have a bunch of neat stuff in, he also told me that his Web site it >about ready to go. I'll pass along that URL when ready. > Anyway, I took a few notes on the more juicy tid-bits: > >$40 Frog Vickers Vimy (kit# F-163) 1/72 >$15 Novo Vickers Vimy Mk.IV (kit# F-163) 1/72 >$25 Airfix H.P. 0-400 (kit# 590) 1/72 >$15 Veeday BE2c (kit# 5) 1/72 >$20 Authentic Models Martin MB-2 (kit# ?) 1/72? >$10 Glenco Martin MB-2 (?) 1/72? >$12 Merlin Roland D.II (kit# ?) 1/72 >$5 SMER SVA5 1/48 >$24 Tom's Resin Nieuport N.9/10 1/48 >$15 Artiplast Nieuport N.11 (w/rockets) 1/48 >$20 Pyro Bristol Boxkite 1/72? >$20 Pyro Avro? 1/72? >$5 Hawk SPAD 13 (#617) 1/48 >$15 (ea.)Aurora SE5a, Albatros D.V, Camel, Nie.11, Brisfit >$25 MPC "Dogfight" kit 1/72; Camel and Dr.I w/ground base, diorama, HO >scale figures, etc. For anyone hard up for an ex-Frog Vimy, I just saw some today in a local shop. They are made and boxed up in Poland and the box art bears a painting of an RAF Vimy on a mission. I don't know if this means that the Alcock and Brown a/c details of the Frog kit remain or not. Oh yes, these were selling for US$16.95 a pop. Slightly off topic, but the same maker also released 1/72 kit (ex-AMT ??) of the Fokker Tri-motor "Southern Cross", first a/c across the Pacific. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:29:06 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: models abound Message-ID: > OOpppps! > > Forgot to add that he has in a number of Formaplane, Scaleplane, and >RarePlanes Vacs. I recall the Hansa-Br.D.I, Lo"hner C.I, Llyod C.II, and >Morane-Saulnier Type "L", to name a few.... > Any chances of a Scaleplanes Sopwith Cuckoo ?? Charles hartc@spot.colodado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 10:20:17 JST From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: models abound Message-ID: <9702250120.AA03077@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> Charles wrote: >Erik wrote: > >> Went out today to visit with old Emil from Skyway Models. Not only did >>he have a bunch of neat stuff in, he also told me that his Web site it >>about ready to go. I'll pass along that URL when ready. >> Anyway, I took a few notes on the more juicy tid-bits: >> >>$40 Frog Vickers Vimy (kit# F-163) 1/72 >>$15 Novo Vickers Vimy Mk.IV (kit# F-163) 1/72 <> > For anyone hard up for an ex-Frog Vimy, I just saw some today in a >local shop. They are made and boxed up in Poland and the box art bears a >painting of an RAF Vimy on a mission. I don't know if this means that the >Alcock and Brown a/c details of the Frog kit remain or not. Oh yes, these >were selling for US$16.95 a pop. What!? I bought ex-Frog Vimy without box, 3,150 Yen (about USD 25.00). Probabry, this is a reasonable cost if I purchase USD16.95 Vimy from US. The kit parts which I bought are very beautiful. I believe that Russian correct master. > Slightly off topic, but the same maker also released 1/72 kit (ex-AMT >??) of the Fokker Tri-motor "Southern Cross", first a/c across the >Pacific. It is ex-Frog kit, I think. Cheers, Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:09:18 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: E. III Decals? Injection kit? Message-ID: <19970224.201031.13358.15.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:55:42 -0500 Mathoo@aol.com writes: > I would like some injection wheels for my Eduard "nekkid" E. III > and maybe some aftermarket decals. Any thoughts? What about using parts from the Revell E.III? I haven't spec'ed it out yet, but these wheels should work. As far as aftermarket decals go, you're on your own. There are none specifically (that I know of) for the E.III. However, using the Superscale sheet containing German crosses and serials numbers should be a good start (I can't remember the number, unfortunately). Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:09:18 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970224.201031.13358.14.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:58:11 -0500 Fportier@aol.com writes: > I could send you xerox copies of the article in Avions in the > not too distant future (remind me of your snailmail address). > The Nieuport IV floatplane is indeed an adaptation of the > land-based version. One of the few plans I know (of the > land-based version) is by Ian Stairs, it appears on p. 522 of > Alan Durkota et al, *The Imperial Russian Air Servie*, Flying > Machines Press, 1995. Examination of the photos of the > floatplane version shows many divergences, particularly as > regards the wings. I have to confess I had to improvise in many > ways. When I stated my model was scratchbuilt that was not > entirely correct: I used a Russian-made kit (provenance unknown, > bought in London from Comet Miniatures, the last remaining kit) > as a starting point but the errors were so glaring I rebuilt > everything. The wings were made from plastic cards and the > floats heavily converted from those provided in the old Airfix > Tiger Moth kit (or was it the Auster Antarctic? one forgets). If somebody in the States can provide a copy of these articles for me, that would be better for both of us. If we don't hear anything soon, then my address is: Matt Bittner 11213 Y St Omaha NE 68137 USA TIA! FWIW, I have one of these Russian-made Nieuport IV's, and it is a *bunch* of work. I take it it's not too accurate? This is definitely an a/c that would be easy to scratch. > The forthcoming book about the French air force has already been > ordered from me by my pen friend, Dr Glen K Merrill of Houston, > Texas. I'm glad you have a source. I hope - and suspect - it will be as good as advertised. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:09:17 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rep : Welcome aboard Message-ID: <19970224.201031.13358.13.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:55:35 -0500 Fportier@aol.com writes: > I probably have more questions than answers but I hope to be > useful. The number of WW1 modellers in France is woefully small > and connoisseurship pretty limited. By the way, the formal > style of address not being the norm in this group, by all means > call me by my first name if you wish, ie. Francois. Hey, the fact that you're French is help already!! There are a few of us really interested in French a/c, specifically Nieuports and Morane Saulniers. > Talking of questions, I have one already: does anyone have a > photo of a Salmson 2A2 flown by Kessel (a novelist) of > Escadrille SAL 39? Escadrille insigna a white rabbit blowing a > trumpet, on a red circle. I'll check my references later. > Another thing. I used to collaborate with Francois Lespes of > Veterans 72 (who produced vac-forms and later resin kits) but he > sufferred a stroke and no longer seems able to proceed with his > modelling activities. He has patterns for a Gotha-Ursinus G1 > made by Martin Digmayer of the Czech Republic, which I doubt he > will use now. A shame. Yes, a definite shame. I hope that M. Digmayer can get support from some other manufacturer. > I hasten to say that I have no Veterans 72 kits left to offer or > sell except a few vacforms of Clement Ader's Eole and who would > want to buy that in the States?. Along the years he produced > the following models: > Vac forms: > Bleriot Artillerie (rotten kit) Nieuport 27, Eole, Farman 20, > Letord 5, Jeannin Taube. > Resin: > Farman 20, Farman F40, Breguet 5, Taube, Caudron G2 (early > carrier-borne floatplane), Ponnier, Morane-Saulnier type BB, MS > type P, MS type AC. Hey, if anybody on the list knows where I might be able to pick up (relatively cheaply) the Veterans 72 MS a/c, let me know. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 444 *********************