WWI Digest 438

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Kids and Models?
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
  2) Re: The big crash
	by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
  3) Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
  4) Re: Best way to subscribe to Windsock in U.S.? (ADV)
	by Joseph Gentile <tabcentl@MO.NET>
  5) Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by Jack Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
  6) Re: Vacform Wing Techniques 
	by THENRYS@aol.com
  7) Re: The big crash
	by THENRYS@aol.com
  8) Re: Kids and Models?
	by THENRYS@aol.com
  9) Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
	by Matt Bacon <mattb@london.virgin.net>
 10) Re: Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 11) Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
 12) Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
 13) Re: Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 14) re: Smer:  endangered birds?
	by Jack Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
 15) Re: help, anyone?...
	by Erik Pilawskii <xopowo@u.washington.edu>
 16) Re: Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
 17) Marco's Miniatures
	by Joseph Gentile <tabcentl@MO.NET>
 18) Eindekker wing
	by "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
 19) Latest OtF
	by mbittner@juno.com
 20) Re: The big crash
	by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP)
 21) Updated web page
	by Jim Wallace <jmw3@atl.mindspring.com>
 22) Re: Latest OtF
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 23) Announcing the IDL 5.0 Pre-Release Offer
	by RSI Preview <preview@rsinc.com>
 24) Re: Vacform Wing Techniques 
	by mbittner@juno.com
 25) Re: Latest OtF
	by DavidL1217@aol.com
 26) Re: Vac-Form Kits.
	by DavidL1217@aol.com
 27) Re: Kids and Models?
	by DavidL1217@aol.com
 28) Smer
	by "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:13:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Kids and Models?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970218100345.16822B-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>

Well, I think the previous correspondents who said that we are all the
best influences on our children got it right.
I have two boys (and a girl) and Christopher (9) has just finished
painting a Monogram Mosquito on the kitchen table while the telly played
633 Squadron for the 400th time!
He has a large collection of videos of Battle of Britain, Mosquito
Squadron, Midway etc etc and likes nothing better than to get one of my
old unbuilt Monograms from the attic and get stuck in to both.
Interestingly he always asks at Christmas or Birthday or pocket money time
for 1/72 kits which he prefers to 1/72. I 've mentioned this before and it
is because he can combine HO soldiers etc in his play.
Nicky (6) has just completed his first model - Airfix Blenheim and is well
on his way to folowwing dad's (and Chris's) footsteps.
The next generation of modellers is alive and thriving in the Adam
household.
Unfortunately though they both laugh at dad's choice of biplanes and hope
to convince me that real aeroplanes do have propellers but also closed
cockpits and invasion stripes!
Sandy



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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:42:40 -0500
From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: The big crash
Message-ID: <199702181242.HAA03364@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 12:40 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote:
>     Mike,
>     
>     How about a post-Armistice "million dollar bonfire" diorama?
>     
>     Riordan
        Sadly, that comes all too close to being true!
Mike



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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:53:30 -0500
From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <199702181253.HAA03418@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 12:41 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote:
>     I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting 
>     Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits 
>     recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do 
>     not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the 
>     D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail 
>     order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems 
>     otherwise.
>     I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling 
>     with minimal finacial commitment.

        I was at Rosemont 2 weeks ago and Barry had a bunch.
Mike Muth



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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:59:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Gentile <tabcentl@MO.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Best way to subscribe to Windsock in U.S.? (ADV)
Message-ID: <199702181359.HAA27984@Walden.MO.NET>

A
>At the risk of shameless self-promotion, which this is of course, Roll
>Models has Windsock (from Vol. 13 No. 1) at $10.50 per issue and the new
>Datafiles at $14.00 apiece.  We have now received Datafile #61 on the H-B
>W.12 as well as Vol. 13 No. 1 of Windsock.
>
>Thanks!
>John Roll
>
>
John are you and Mary prepared to set up a pseudo subscriber system yet for
both Windsock and the Datafiles?  Let me know as soon as you can please.
I'm getting less
than satisfactory service from one of your competitors.

Thanks,

Joe




>john@rollmodels.com
>http://www.rollmodels.com
>The Internet Model Shop
>
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:18:39 -0800
From: Jack Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <BMSMTP8562860590a0186964@dsbmail.itg.ti.com>

Does anybody know if Smer has actually discontinued these?  I, as a beginner,
and I'm sure many others rely on these kits to practice modeling skills and
build up a collection before moving on to higher dollar kits. In fact awhile
back I joined in on a small petition to try and get John Roll to stock them. 

Is it also confirmed that Airfix discontinued their 1/72 WWI line?

Best regards,

Jack

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Original text

From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael), on 2/18/97 7:54 AM:
At 12:41 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote:
>     I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting 
>     Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits 
>     recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do 
>     not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the 
>     D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail 
>     order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems 
>     otherwise.
>     I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling 
>     with minimal finacial commitment.

        I was at Rosemont 2 weeks ago and Barry had a bunch.
Mike Muth





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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:53:19 -0500 (EST)
From: THENRYS@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Vacform Wing Techniques 
Message-ID: <970218105318_-838354707@emout15.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-02-17 11:34:54 EST, you write:

<<     2. As for wings, I recommend you get a knife with long, curved
blade... a 
 pocketknife, suitably sharpened to razor sharpness will do, and SCRAPE 
 the insides of the wing's leading and trailing  edges to follow the
curvature 
 of the outside surface. If you simply sand the wing on a flat surface you 
 will end up with flat ledges at the leading and trailing edges...this is no
good 
 if you have to plank the underside with thin sheet or use the vacformed 
 undersides. If you do use the latter you have to scrape the inside surfaces
 
 in the same manner to ensure a thin trailing edge. The most common 
 problem I see with builtup vacforms is that the builder simply did not take 
 off enough material between the wing halves and the wing is too thick >>

Thank you, Bob, for this tip.  I tried it last night on the lower wing of the
H.B. W.18, and it works great.  I had block sanded the underside of the lower
wing, and while I had an airfoil shape to the wing, there was still a ridge
at the leading edge.  So I took a curved blade and started scraping and
voila, I had a realy nice 'faired-in' look to the leading edge. 

Thanks

Todd Henry

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:53:25 -0500 (EST)
From: THENRYS@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The big crash
Message-ID: <970218105325_-1809754898@emout04.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-02-17 21:36:58 EST, you write:

<<         Hopefully a new thread.  I related to Riordan writing about his
 painting mishap.  Last week the bookshelf I kept a lot of my 1/72 completed
 models on crashed onto the lower shelf. I now how lots of "repair" work to
 do.  Then I started thinking about what model I could realistically put
 together from a bunch of 1/72 Albatros D-IIIs, SPAD-VIIs, 2 Camels and one
 lonely Fooker Triplane. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe an Albatros D-II
 using the D-III body and trying to do something with the SPAD wings. Any
 ideas gladly welcomed.
 Mike Muth
 
  >>
How about a 'Zwilling' twin Camel ?  If the Luftwaffe can have 1946 kits of
Me 262's with atomic reactor powered turbines (It could have won the war !!),
then why can't you have RFC 1920 models ?

Todd Henry

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:53:27 -0500 (EST)
From: THENRYS@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Kids and Models?
Message-ID: <970218105326_-938898578@emout09.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-02-17 21:47:24 EST, you write:

<< 
         UhOh, looks like I'm really in for it now. I just decided to take a
 week off in mid-March and go watch Spring training in Fla. I had also hoped
 to stop by the Naval Air museum in Pensacola and maybe hunt for some
 models(No, not on the beach, although.....).
 Mike Muth
  >>

Jealous, Jealous, Jealous, Jealous.  One of these years, I'm going to take a
couple of weeks off and travel from camp to camp, soak in the sun (perhaps
with a few adult beverages) and watch a lot of baseball.

Hope you have a great time, and please E-Mail me a trip report with the gory
details (of the baseball).

Todd Henry

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:18:18 +0000
From: Matt Bacon <mattb@london.virgin.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
Message-ID: <3309D64A.2180@london.virgin.net>

Hi folks: the search for colourful schemes for the WW1 mobile in my
small son's bedroom goes on. And I found a real eye-blaster for a Spad
XIII. The question is, is it a real scheme at all, or completely made
up? It's on a display (ie hand-carved wood at 300 bucks) model.

The A/C is basically broad red and white stripes overall -- stripes
running fore and aft across the wing surfaces and along the fuselage.
The cowling/nose area and vertical tail are dark blue with white stars.
The aircraft has the usual large roundels on the wings, and a weird
(indistinguishable in my picture) logo on the fuselage side. I get the
picture: it's basically a flying Old Glory.

And it looks great -- question is, does anyone know whether this scheme
has any basis in history at all? I'm prepared to allow a bit of latitude
about whether it actually flew in France in 1914-1918, but I'd like to
be sure that the aircraft did actually exist before painting it that
way... 

Thanks...

best regards, all

M.
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Deputy Editor | Pres.: Mr. Johnnie Walker VP: Mr. Jack Daniels 
Virgin Net    | Treas.: Mr. Glen Fiddich  Hon. Sec.: Mr. James Beam
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:30:16 -0500 (EST)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
Message-ID: <199702181630.LAA04356@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Hi folks: the search for colourful schemes for the WW1 mobile in my
> small son's bedroom goes on. And I found a real eye-blaster for a Spad
> XIII. The question is, is it a real scheme at all, or completely made
> up? It's on a display (ie hand-carved wood at 300 bucks) model.

How about Samuel Kaye's Easter Egg Spad:

Hat in the Ring, Overall Sky Blue with Red and White polka-dots covering the
entire aircraft. Sure to attract the attention of any infant/toddler!

Plus it's Baby-Boy-Blue!

-Al

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University of New Hampshire+---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 09:28:00 PST
From: "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <9701188562.AA856286899@mx.Ricochet.net>

     Thanks Mike. Is Rosemont online?
     
     Riordan


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
Author:  wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet
Date:    2/18/97 4:50 AM


At 12:41 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote:
>     I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting 
>     Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits 
>     recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do 
>     not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the 
>     D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail 
>     order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems 
>     otherwise.
>     I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling 
>     with minimal finacial commitment.
     
        I was at Rosemont 2 weeks ago and Barry had a bunch.
Mike Muth
     
     


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 09:26:24 PST
From: "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <9701188562.AA856286890@mx.Ricochet.net>

     Pedro,
     
     Thanks for the offer. I'll try to locate them on this side of the pond 
     before troubling anyone on the continent. Shipping from Europe might 
     cancel out their low price advatage.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Smer:  endangered birds?
Author:  wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet
Date:    2/18/97 1:23 AM


Shelley Goodwin wrote:
> 
>      I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting 
>      Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits
>      recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do 
>      not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the
>      D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail 
>      order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems 
>      otherwise.
>      I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling 
>      with minimal finacial commitment.
> 
>      Riordan
     
     
Hi Riordan,
     
I've seen 2 or 3 SMER WW1 kits at an hobby shop here in Lisbon and I can 
send them to you if you want to. I can't remember now what aircraft were 
available, but if you're interested drop me a note and I'll check it for 
you.
     
HTH 
     
Pedro
     


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:24:06 -0500 (EST)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <199702181824.NAA04752@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

>      Thanks Mike. Is Rosemont online?

Barry seems to have a religous objection to going on-line. He has a phone 
and fax:

Rosemont Hobbies 610-398-0210

-Al

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University of New Hampshire+---------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:47:27 -0800
From: Jack Berlien <j-berlien@ti.com>
To: wwi
Subject: re: Smer:  endangered birds?
Message-ID: <BMSMTP85629866310a0186964@dsbmail.itg.ti.com>

I just called Squadron Shop and they have the Smer kits in stock, too.  

	972-242-8663

They have the DVII and Nieuport 11 on sale this month for $3.99.

Best regards,

Jack 

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Original text

From: "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>, on 2/18/97 12:41 AM:
     I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting 
     Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits 
     recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do 
     not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the 
     D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail 
     order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems 
     otherwise.
     I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling 
     with minimal finacial commitment.
     
     Riordan   




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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:35:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Erik Pilawskii <xopowo@u.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: help, anyone?...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970218113204.69422A-100000@homer24.u.washington.edu>

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote:
> Eric: Not sure exactly what this fellow is looking for - the layout
> of the D.VII radiator and radiator hoses?
> 
> If so, the D.VII had several different styles of radiators, depending
> on the engine used and the manufacturer.  Basically, he's got decide
> _which_ particular D.VII he's modeling and go from the photos of that
> aircraft.  The Datafile number 9 on the D.VII is probably the best
> overall collection of D.VII info in one spot but basically, he's
> just gotta pick a particular aircraft and follow the radiator
> style on that aircraft.
> 
  Bill, I think he's doing NASM's "U.10", so any details would be for that
machine (Paul?).

> So far as the hoses go, I'm not sure why you'd bother in 1/72.
> But, so far as the Mercedes D.III and D.IIIa motors went, there
> really weren't any visiable hoses to speak of.  The water outlet
> was on the front and top of the head on the right hand side and
[snip]

  Well, I 'spect that is exactly the kind of thing he wants to know....

> connected almost directly to the radiator while the water intake
> was at the extreme right rear of the lower block and was connected
> by a pipe (I don't _think_ it was a hose) running along the right
> side approximately even with the bottom of the block - not something
[more snips]

  I get the impression that he's detailing the bejeesus out of this thing.
It's all scratch-built, after all. But, thanks for the info blurbs-- it
will help I'm sure.

                                       Cheers,   Erik
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
"If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!"
..............................................................................


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:58:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Wild colour schemes for Spad XIII
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970218215020.5258B-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>

This sounds like the subject of one of the Dragon 1/48 SPADS which is
gathering dust on my shelves at home (I'm in the office just now so can't
check and I'm afraid AEF aircraft are not my speciality)
>From memory is it not the immediate postwar colour (I supose that should
be color) scheme of Douglas Campbell? Look at the DML catalogue to check
it out and if you haven't bought a kit yet, this will give you much of the
scheme. Mind you, you still have to paint and mask a lot of what I thought
would be transfer before breaking the box seal!
Sandy

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Matt Bacon wrote:

> Hi folks: the search for colourful schemes for the WW1 mobile in my
> small son's bedroom goes on. And I found a real eye-blaster for a Spad
> XIII. The question is, is it a real scheme at all, or completely made
> up? It's on a display (ie hand-carved wood at 300 bucks) model.
> 
> The A/C is basically broad red and white stripes overall -- stripes
> running fore and aft across the wing surfaces and along the fuselage.
> The cowling/nose area and vertical tail are dark blue with white stars.
> The aircraft has the usual large roundels on the wings, and a weird
> (indistinguishable in my picture) logo on the fuselage side. I get the
> picture: it's basically a flying Old Glory.


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:05:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Gentile <tabcentl@MO.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Marco's Miniatures
Message-ID: <199702182205.QAA17463@Walden.MO.NET>

I just received a catalog from Four Star Collectibles and viewed their web
page at:
http://pages.prodigy.com/4star  They are linked to Marco's Miniatures and
they have images of their built up multi media kits, Pfalz D.III, Albatros
D.V, Nieuport 28, Fokker E.V and Roland D.VI.

Has anyone seen their products?  They seem to offer a high level of detail
though I have no idea as to the accuracy of their work.  Being a large scale
kit at 1/24 one would hope that the quality would accompany the price tags
which run from approximately $50.00-$70.00 USD.  

I have never read a review and am interested to hear about these folks.

Thank you,

Joe



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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:21:00 +0800 (GMT+0800)
From: "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Eindekker wing
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970219071545.3848A-100000@pusit.admu.edu.ph>


Hi all,

I want to know who originally posted the inquiry on the "nekkid" E.III
wing. Last Friday I tried to send a posting to the list with an attached
file (image, fokker.gif) but Allan's server would not permit such a large
file in. 

Who needed the picture? I'll email him directly.

*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:19:37 EST
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Latest OtF
Message-ID: <19970218.172203.14070.0.mbittner@juno.com>

Wow.  The latest OtF is a *must* for list members.  I've always
thought that those members not part of OtF were missing out.
Now, however, I am more than convinced.

The issue starts out, via the editorial, talking about the new
chapters, as well as OverTheFront.com.  There's supposed to be a
website there.  I spelled it as it appears in the magazine.

The wonderous pieces, though, are those on the Georgia chapter,
the seminar last summer, and the Dayton fly-in.

We can finally place some faces to names.  List members names
that I recognise in the pictures:  Ken Greenfield; Joe Alcober;
Carlos Valdes.  There are other people's pictures there, but none
that "jumped" off the page at me.

We can also finally place a face to Barry Stettler of Rosemont.

The neatest section is the one on last summer's seminar.  There
are a bunch of model pictures, a couple from names known to the
list.  Here are the names of the modelers with model pictures:

Ron Lowry; Russell Becker; Fred Hensing; Bob Sheldon; Mike Muth
(!); Alan Durkota; Ron Mayo; Tom Darcy; and Bob Wheeler.

If you see your name, then well done!!  These are wonderful
models, worthy of being pictured in OtF.

There is also a section on WW1 on the web, and of course Al's
page plays a significant part.  Erik Pilawskii's and Randy Ray's
pictures are part of the article.  (As if their ego's weren't big
enough. <chuckle>)

Oh yea, there are other articles, as well. ;-)

Overall, as I already said, an issue *everyone* on the list
*must* get.  Oh, while you're paying for this issue-year, be sure
and subscribe for 1997!

I'll post more later, because the latest WW1 Aero came, as well.

When it rains, it pours. <g>


Matt
mbittner@juno.com

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Date: 18 Feb 97
From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The big crash
Message-ID: <199702182305.SAC154212@mime2.prodigy.com>

-- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] --

Mike wrote:

> Hopefully a new thread.  I related to Riordan writing about his
painting
> mishap.  Last week the bookshelf I kept a lot of my 1/72 completed
models on
> crashed onto the lower shelf. I now how lots of "repair" work to do. 
Then I
> started thinking about what model I could realistically put together
from a
> bunch of 1/72 Albatros D-IIIs, SPAD-VIIs, 2 Camels and one lonely
Fooker
> Triplane. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe an Albatros D-II using the D
-III body
> and trying to do something with the SPAD wings. Any ideas gladly
welcomed.

How about an Albatros Triplane?  Also, Sopwith built a pair of
monoplanes from the Camel. Diorama of aircraft recovery and salvage with
wings removed?

Ken
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Kenneth Hagerup
11419 South 43rd Avenue
Omaha, NE 68123-1073
USA

npwe28a@prodigy.com

hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:25:19 -0500
From: Jim Wallace <jmw3@atl.mindspring.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Updated web page
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970219012519.13f75342@pop.atl.mindspring.com>

I finally got around to updating my web page.  Take a look at
http://www.mindspring.com/~jmw3

Comments are welcome.

Jim Wallace


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:22:57 -0500
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Latest OtF
Message-ID: <330A55F1.E61@conted.gatech.edu>

Matt,
	I haven't gotten my copy yet. Good to know that the Geogia Chapter
photo made it in. I look forward to checking out the model pics. I agree
that everyone on the list should think about joining the League.
					Carlos

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:56:00 -0700
From: RSI Preview <preview@rsinc.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: Announcing the IDL 5.0 Pre-Release Offer
Message-ID: <199702190208.TAA19161@bud.rsinc.com>


Allan Wright:

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:57:47 EST
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Vacform Wing Techniques 
Message-ID: <19970218.200039.12526.1.mbittner@juno.com>

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:57:26 -0500 Sandy Adam
<sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk> writes:

> If you want to buy a ready made solution, Aeroclub do their
> "T-AL" system.  Basically the same idea; t-section aluminium
> spars of a few centimetres each and differing breadths, to which
> you attach sandpaper by means of double sided adhesive pads. You
> can also attach small kit parts to a second T-AL and use this to
> hold the piece comfortably. (You put the sandpaper on the bar
> and hold the leg of the T_shape) I find that I seldom attach the
> parts, but use the sander all the time.

I actually thought about buying this.  However, if you want to
save money, then do as I did, and buy large Plastruct I- or
T-beam.  Does just as well.  Also, I believe the r/c section of
your hobby shop carries the same material in the same shape that
the "T-AL" system is in.  Check it out.


Matt
mbittner@juno.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:07:37 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidL1217@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Latest OtF
Message-ID: <970218210736_-1273879545@emout09.mail.aol.com>

Great news!  I should get my copy any day now!

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:11:26 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidL1217@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Vac-Form Kits.
Message-ID: <970218211126_-1072873385@emout09.mail.aol.com>

Please do, I'd be interested in the Pomilio.  Haven't seen that one in a
while.

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:16:33 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidL1217@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Kids and Models?
Message-ID: <970218211631_-1776155115@emout16.mail.aol.com>

I have 2 sons, ages 8 & 6.  The 6 year old is the consumate Lego builder
which offers promise.  Ove the years, I have collected a bunch of old
"Rivette-velle"  1/72 WWII kits at modest prices to bring them up right!

My advise is to go to a hobby flea market and get these at $1. to 2 a pop and
save them for a rainy day


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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 18:25:32 PST
From: "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Smer
Message-ID: <9701188563.AA856319117@mx.Ricochet.net>

     Thanks to everyone for preventing the onset of Smer withdrawl 
     symptoms, such as hoarding inferior kits out of fear.
     
     Riordan


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