WWI Digest 437 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re[2]: 1/48 Liberty Engine? by gspring@ix.netcom.com 2) Re: 1/72nd Revell Nieuport 28/Rookie moves by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 3) Re: Scale by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 4) Re: Kids and Models? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: Kids and Models? by Bob Norgren 6) Re: Re[2]: 1/48 Liberty Engine? by Bob Norgren 7) help, anyone?... by Erik Pilawskii 8) Re: Kids and Models? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 9) The big crash by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: 1/48 Liberty Engine? by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 11) Re: Best way to subscribe to Windsock in U.S.? (ADV) by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 12) Re: Genet diary by "huggins@onramp.net" 13) Re: Vac-Form Kits. by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 14) Greetings from the Mad Norseman by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 15) Re: help, anyone?... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 17) Re: help, anyone?... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: The big crash by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) Re[2]: help, anyone?... by "Shelley Goodwin" 20) Smer: endangered birds? by "Shelley Goodwin" 21) Re: Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 22) Re: Re[2]: help, anyone?... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) Re: Vac-Form Kits. by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 24) Re: Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 25) Re: Smer: endangered birds? by Pedro Soares 26) Re: Vacform Wing Techniques by Sandy Adam ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:36:05 -0600 (CST) From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: 1/48 Liberty Engine? Message-ID: <199721718341026334@ix.netcom.com> Hello everybody! On 02/17/97 01:41:39 Riordan wrote: > > FWIW, A friend at work described an Engines & Things Pratt & Whitney > radial he bought as "a blob of resin". That's as much as I've heard; > it could've been a bad 'shot' or bad luck that a retailer decided to > sell him junk. I recently bought three different Japanese radials by them. Three blobs of resin is an accurate description of them. Grrrr! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:51:14 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 1/72nd Revell Nieuport 28/Rookie moves Message-ID: <199702180051.TAA01378@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:41 AM 2/17/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > >I just beefed a 5 color camo on an Airfix Spad. Went OK up until the light gray >undersurfaces-didn't think to mask uppersurfaces & got overspray from holding >parts while I sprayed 'em. Boy did I feel stupid (and pissed). Almost threw it >all in the trash, but decided to hang on to it and perhaps start over once the >feelings of imbecility subside. It may take awhile... Been there....Done that. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:00:30 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Message-ID: Among other things, Bob wrote: > >Now, I concentrate on 1/48 because the overall quality of kits is much >better than 1/72. Most have reasonable cockpit detail, and what they don't >have is relatively easy to put in. I got rid of most of my 1/72 collection in >the last few years, keeping only the larger 3- and 4-engine stuff and all >my helicopters, but even this is for nostalgic reasons. As I get older, I >don't >see wasting a lot of time on 1/72 kits when there are more accurate, >better detailed and easier to build kits in 1/48. The ton of newly released >kits from Tamiya, Hasegawa, Eduard, Accurate Miniatures is simply >amazing. Oh, I occasionally buy a 1/72 kit, mainly helicopters, but even >the new ones are no match for the latest Tamiya 1/48. > >I still produce the occasional 1/72 WWI kit because the market still is >ther for the WWI kit. All this talk recently about the death of 1/72 scale WWI aircraft saddens me. Here's why: I'm nostalgic - this was the scale I built in when I was a kid. I'm practical - 1/72 models take up less space and are easier to store/transport/display. I game - 1/72 is the ideal scale for gaming this subject matter (1/285 is just too small, and there's NO line of 1/144 in WWI). I feel like I'm coming in late - There are several core WWI subjects that you just can't get now in 1/72. Particularly the SE5a! What about the FE2b? I'd love a stack of Halberstadt DIIs, but I don't think I'll ever see one for under $20, if at all. I'm not a "professional" modeler - I don't care if my cockpit doesn't have a joystick, and I'm not hot on rigging or correct rib placement. I just want to have a piece that represents a machine that flew long ago. Something I can look at and day-dream about. Something that is evocative, even if it isn't "perfect." It's too bad that there aren't enough people with this particular profile to shore up the 1/72 "market niche" and make it economically feasible to keep these kits in production. If kids aren't building these models now, it's because the flame of the spirit of those first aviators hasn't been kindeled in them like it was in me 25 years ago. Really, we only have ourselves to blame and I step forward to accept it. But what goes around, comes around. In 5, 10 or 20 years, 1/72 scale WWI may come back strong. I'll be there at the front of the line to buy! Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:10:48 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kids and Models? Message-ID: <199702180110.UAA01535@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:53 AM 2/17/97 -0500, Bob Norgren wrote >One of the problems is that individual craftsmanship is no longer appreciated or taught >in schools. The teaching of creative art in the grade schools has been abandoned due to >"budget restraints." What little is left is merely going thru the motions and not at all >creative. Kids are expected now to "play" with their computers. To me, most computer >kid's stuff is a boring waste of time (and at $40 a pop)...I can't see how kids are >expected to sit still long enough for this crap to load, let alone play. But with parents >all working, computers and tv are the babysitters. I well remember my father helping >me build models, do homework, play baseball...does this happen anymore? I feel like >the exception in that I work at home and have time to play tennis with my daughter (in >fact, my family is probably sick of seeing me all the time...!) My daughter gets a little interested but quickly loses interest. Some of this may be due to her inability to get the model done quickly combined with her perfectionism streak...actually she sounds like a good candidate for the color police. Anyway, she just got 4 stitches in her thumb, so that ends her basketball season. Maybe I can get her to finish that Space Shuttle she was working on. Seriously, I think our kids are so used to instant results on things that the idea of taking a few days to finish a model(a realistic time frame for a kid-style job) seems like an eternity. My friend has "model night" with his 2 boys where they spend a few hours working on models together in the basement. However, as soon as the weather gets good it seems to be forgotten. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:13:01 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Kids and Models? Message-ID: <3308C9DD.C0B@ne.infi.net> THENRYS@aol.com wrote: > I liken the situation to that of the game of Baseball, a wonderful game with > declining interest and attendance, largely because it is a game that requires > patience... Patience is in short supply today. This is evident now in driving which many people seem to feel is an "aggressive sport" with the intent of intimidating as many other drivers as possible in the course of getting to and from work. People seem to drive "full out" all the time now. And for what? To arrive home a few seconds early to turn on the "boob tube" and not miss a minute of the moronic stuff on teevee... Perhaps they should take up modeling and relax Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:22:15 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: 1/48 Liberty Engine? Message-ID: <3308CC07.57E3@ne.infi.net> gspring@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Hello everybody! > > On 02/17/97 01:41:39 Riordan wrote: > > > > FWIW, A friend at work described an Engines & Things Pratt & Whitney > > radial he bought as "a blob of resin". That's as much as I've heard; > > it could've been a bad 'shot' or bad luck that a retailer decided to > > sell him junk. > > I recently bought three different Japanese radials by them. Three blobs of > resin is an accurate description of them. > > Grrrr! > > Greg Sounds like that old cafeteria joke: The food wass bad and there wassn't enough of it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: help, anyone?... Message-ID: Hi All, I'd like to pass along a request for help. I haven't anything detailed enough for this fellow, but I'm certain that somebody hereabouts will! Thanks you guys, in advance. Cheers, Erik .............................................................................. > I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH FOR MY 1/72 SCALE FOKKER D7 AND >SIMPLY DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR HOW IT IS FIXED IN THE AIR >FRAME OR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOSES FROM THE RADIATOR TO THE SIX CYLINDER >MOTOR (I HAVE A 1/72 SCALE ROBERTS MOTOR). THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 1982 >WHEN I BOUGHT A POSTER FROM THE NASM OF THE FOKKER D7 THE U10 THAT IS IN >THEIR COLLECTION THIS POSTER HAS A 2''X2'' OF ORIGINAL FABRIC, ANY WAY I >THINK THAT AFTER 2 RESTORATIONS THAT NASM HAS SETTLED ON A LOOK AND I AM >NOW READY TO FINISH THIS MODEL AND I THINK I HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF ALL OF >THE FOKKERS SYSTEMS EXCEPT THE RADIATOR!!! > > THANK YOU > > JOHN R. BLAIR JR. > 2126 BOYD RD UTICA MS 39175 Blair <4blairs@felix.teclink.net> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:32:37 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kids and Models? Message-ID: <199702180232.VAA01880@pease1.sr.unh.edu> >THENRYS@aol.com wrote: > >> I liken the situation to that of the game of Baseball, a wonderful game with >> declining interest and attendance, largely because it is a game that requires UhOh, looks like I'm really in for it now. I just decided to take a week off in mid-March and go watch Spring training in Fla. I had also hoped to stop by the Naval Air museum in Pensacola and maybe hunt for some models(No, not on the beach, although.....). Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:32:40 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: The big crash Message-ID: <199702180232.VAA01890@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hopefully a new thread. I related to Riordan writing about his painting mishap. Last week the bookshelf I kept a lot of my 1/72 completed models on crashed onto the lower shelf. I now how lots of "repair" work to do. Then I started thinking about what model I could realistically put together from a bunch of 1/72 Albatros D-IIIs, SPAD-VIIs, 2 Camels and one lonely Fooker Triplane. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe an Albatros D-II using the D-III body and trying to do something with the SPAD wings. Any ideas gladly welcomed. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:53:29 -0600 (CST) From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 Liberty Engine? Message-ID: Bill, Riordan, etc. wrote: > > I've heard that Engines & Things (don't know if they make one either) is >best avoided. > >After checking the Rollmodels page, I found that indeed they can get the >Engines & Things Liberty V-12, although it's not one they normally stock. >What's the problem with this piece? It has to be better than what's in the >Aurora kit. Yup! We can get it. I am preparing another big order to them, so I can add it and receive it fairly quickly. As for the quality, Riordan is right -- sometimes. Engines & Things quality varies widely. I had one gentlemand order a bunch and back order a bunch more. When he got the first batch he was disappointed enough to cancel all of the back ordered engines. Many of the engines, however, are quite good. I can see little rhyme or reason as to which is good and which is not. I CAN pretty much guarantee that they are better than what came in the Aurora kit! I wish I could be more positive, but this is how it is! John Roll john@rollmodels.com http://www.rollmodels.com The Internet Model Shop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:53:30 -0600 (CST) From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: Best way to subscribe to Windsock in U.S.? (ADV) Message-ID: >I'm finally biting the bullet and going to subscribe to Windsock. What is >the best way to get a subscription? Direct? (If so how?) Or U.S. company >such as Rosemont or Wise Owl? > >Thanks, >Jim Wallace Hi Jim and all! At the risk of shameless self-promotion, which this is of course, Roll Models has Windsock (from Vol. 13 No. 1) at $10.50 per issue and the new Datafiles at $14.00 apiece. We have now received Datafile #61 on the H-B W.12 as well as Vol. 13 No. 1 of Windsock. Thanks! John Roll john@rollmodels.com http://www.rollmodels.com The Internet Model Shop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:59:18 +0000 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet diary Message-ID: >Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >> >> Gents, >> >> Did y'all receive the entry for Wednesday, 14 February? I posted it >> twice but it didn't show up here either time. >> >> Bradley > I got the 15 & 16th but no 14th. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:15:48 -0600 (CST) From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vac-Form Kits. Message-ID: Matt said, in reply to Vincent's query: >> Blue Rider Fiat/Savoia-Pomilio F5B >> Blue Rider Bleriot X1-2 Artillerie >> Blue Rider Nieuport Nightjar >> Phoenix Caudron G.IV >> Xtravac Albatros JII >> Xtravac Albatros CIX >> Xtravac Albatros CXV > >As far as accurate, since I haven't built any, I have to idea. >Just be aware that all of these are the only models you can find >of these a/c. I've heard that Skybirds 86 is coming out with at >least the Albatros C.XV, but you'll pay probably three times the >cost that you paid for the Xtravac. > >Also be aware that they're all "out of production". So, get them >while you can. With the XtraVac kits, I beg to differ. They are still generally available -- although the other ones are no longer available, AFAIK. >What I can't figure out is that you didn't but the Xtravac D.III? The ailerons are wrong! Sorry, one of my great disappointments with this otherwise very nice kit. The aileron hinge line is perpendicular to the line of flight when it should be at a slight angle. John Roll john@rollmodels.com http://www.rollmodels.com The Internet Model Shop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:18:33 -0600 (CST) From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Greetings from the Mad Norseman Message-ID: The Mad Norseman (aka Steve Hustad) has asked me to pass along his greetings to all of you. His move to Minnesota was amazingly successful, for late January, and Steve and family are settling in nicely. Unfortunately, the office in which he currently works prohibits personal use of the Internet, so he will not be hooked up for awhile yet -- but he hasn't forgotten! He is just starting to model again. Bye! John Roll john@rollmodels.com http://www.rollmodels.com The Internet Model Shop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:52:19 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: help, anyone?... Message-ID: <199702180452.AA21998@ednet1.orednet.org> Eric: Not sure exactly what this fellow is looking for - the layout of the D.VII radiator and radiator hoses? If so, the D.VII had several different styles of radiators, depending on the engine used and the manufacturer. Basically, he's got decide _which_ particular D.VII he's modeling and go from the photos of that aircraft. The Datafile number 9 on the D.VII is probably the best overall collection of D.VII info in one spot but basically, he's just gotta pick a particular aircraft and follow the radiator style on that aircraft. So far as the hoses go, I'm not sure why you'd bother in 1/72. But, so far as the Mercedes D.III and D.IIIa motors went, there really weren't any visiable hoses to speak of. The water outlet was on the front and top of the head on the right hand side and connected almost directly to the radiator while the water intake was at the extreme right rear of the lower block and was connected by a pipe (I don't _think_ it was a hose) running along the right side approximately even with the bottom of the block - not something particularly visable in any event. The location of the Mercedes engine outlet is readily visible in the photos of Albatros D.Vs but, of course, the return pipe is hidden once it enters the fuselage at the rear of the fuselage. I'm not positive what the arrangement was on the BMW engines but I'd assume is was similar. Cheers, > > Hi All, > > I'd like to pass along a request for help. I haven't anything detailed >enough for this fellow, but I'm certain that somebody hereabouts will! >Thanks you guys, in advance. > > Cheers, Erik >............................................................................. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH FOR MY 1/72 SCALE FOKKER D7 AND >>SIMPLY DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR HOW IT IS FIXED IN THE AIR >>FRAME OR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOSES FROM THE RADIATOR TO THE SIX CYLINDER >>MOTOR (I HAVE A 1/72 SCALE ROBERTS MOTOR). THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 1982 >>WHEN I BOUGHT A POSTER FROM THE NASM OF THE FOKKER D7 THE U10 THAT IS IN >>THEIR COLLECTION THIS POSTER HAS A 2''X2'' OF ORIGINAL FABRIC, ANY WAY I >>THINK THAT AFTER 2 RESTORATIONS THAT NASM HAS SETTLED ON A LOOK AND I AM >>NOW READY TO FINISH THIS MODEL AND I THINK I HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF ALL OF >>THE FOKKERS SYSTEMS EXCEPT THE RADIATOR!!! >> >> THANK YOU >> >> JOHN R. BLAIR JR. >> 2126 BOYD RD > UTICA MS 39175 > Blair <4blairs@felix.teclink.net> > > > -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:05:59 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: "post wwi" Subject: Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) Message-ID: <19970218052100.AAA5989@dns.abilene.com> Does anyone have any clear pictures of Von Hipple's Albatros D.V with the dragon markings on it. I have a copy of Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kruez which shows the aircraft after the crash landing. I'm looking for a better view to do a set of markings for my next project. Paul Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:25:05 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: help, anyone?... Message-ID: <199702180525.AA09761@ednet1.orednet.org> I wrote: "The location of the Mercedes engine outlet is readily visible in the photos of Albatros D.Vs but, of course, the return pipe is hidden once it enters the fuselage at the rear of the fuselage." I, of course, meant, "at the rear of the ENGINE". Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 21:15:07 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: The big crash Message-ID: <9701178562.AA856244050@mx.Ricochet.net> Mike, How about a post-Armistice "million dollar bonfire" diorama? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: The big crash Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/17/97 6:31 PM Hopefully a new thread. I related to Riordan writing about his painting mishap. Last week the bookshelf I kept a lot of my 1/72 completed models on crashed onto the lower shelf. I now how lots of "repair" work to do. Then I started thinking about what model I could realistically put together from a bunch of 1/72 Albatros D-IIIs, SPAD-VIIs, 2 Camels and one lonely Fooker Triplane. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe an Albatros D-II using the D-III body and trying to do something with the SPAD wings. Any ideas gladly welcomed. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 21:35:30 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: help, anyone?... Message-ID: <9701178562.AA856244069@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, Does the Datafile have the A-H MAG D.VIIs in it? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: help, anyone?... Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/17/97 8:54 PM Eric: Not sure exactly what this fellow is looking for - the layout of the D.VII radiator and radiator hoses? If so, the D.VII had several different styles of radiators, depending on the engine used and the manufacturer. Basically, he's got decide _which_ particular D.VII he's modeling and go from the photos of that aircraft. The Datafile number 9 on the D.VII is probably the best overall collection of D.VII info in one spot but basically, he's just gotta pick a particular aircraft and follow the radiator style on that aircraft. So far as the hoses go, I'm not sure why you'd bother in 1/72. But, so far as the Mercedes D.III and D.IIIa motors went, there really weren't any visiable hoses to speak of. The water outlet was on the front and top of the head on the right hand side and connected almost directly to the radiator while the water intake was at the extreme right rear of the lower block and was connected by a pipe (I don't _think_ it was a hose) running along the right side approximately even with the bottom of the block - not something particularly visable in any event. The location of the Mercedes engine outlet is readily visible in the photos of Albatros D.Vs but, of course, the return pipe is hidden once it enters the fuselage at the rear of the fuselage. I'm not positive what the arrangement was on the BMW engines but I'd assume is was similar. Cheers, > > Hi All, > > I'd like to pass along a request for help. I haven't anything detailed >enough for this fellow, but I'm certain that somebody hereabouts will! >Thanks you guys, in advance. > > Cheers, Erik >............................................................................. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH FOR MY 1/72 SCALE FOKKER D7 AND >>SIMPLY DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR HOW IT IS FIXED IN THE AIR >>FRAME OR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOSES FROM THE RADIATOR TO THE SIX CYLINDER >>MOTOR (I HAVE A 1/72 SCALE ROBERTS MOTOR). THIS PROJECT STARTED IN 1982 >>WHEN I BOUGHT A POSTER FROM THE NASM OF THE FOKKER D7 THE U10 THAT IS IN >>THEIR COLLECTION THIS POSTER HAS A 2''X2'' OF ORIGINAL FABRIC, ANY WAY I >>THINK THAT AFTER 2 RESTORATIONS THAT NASM HAS SETTLED ON A LOOK AND I AM >>NOW READY TO FINISH THIS MODEL AND I THINK I HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF ALL OF >>THE FOKKERS SYSTEMS EXCEPT THE RADIATOR!!! >> >> THANK YOU >> >> JOHN R. BLAIR JR. >> 2126 BOYD RD > UTICA MS 39175 > Blair <4blairs@felix.teclink.net> > > > -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 21:32:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Smer: endangered birds? Message-ID: <9701178562.AA856244059@mx.Ricochet.net> I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems otherwise. I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling with minimal finacial commitment. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:51:42 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) Message-ID: >Does anyone have any clear pictures of Von Hipple's Albatros D.V with the >dragon markings on it. I have a copy of Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kruez >which shows the aircraft after the crash landing. I'm looking for a better >view to do a set of markings for my next project. > >Paul Howard There is a seldom-published photo that shows the left side of this aircraft from pretty close range. It is a photo of Von H with his sister, arm in arm next to the machine. I have only seen this photo in two places, a very generalized book of German military a/c from the 1914-1945 period, published in the '70s (any list member got this and the exact title ??) and later in an issue of Cross & Cockade International volume 24. I can find this and give you the specific reference. What scale are you working in ? The decals exist for the dragon in both 1:72 and 1:48 (Americal/Gryphon) and, I think only in 1:48 from Super Scale. The A/G decals agree most with the photo I mention here. The Super Scale dragon is much less authentic looking. HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:54:37 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: help, anyone?... Message-ID: <199702180654.AA18980@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Riordan was writing: >Bill, > >Does the Datafile have the A-H MAG D.VIIs in it? Alas, no - the Datafile concerns itself solely with the German D.VIIs. Perhaps not surprising, however, as none of the MAG D.VIIs were completed prior to the end of the war. The only source I have handy which deals with the MAG aircraft is Peter Grosz, et al's "Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One" which has several photos and a three-view drawing of the D.VII (MAG) Series 93. The cowling and radiator (indeed, the whole front end!) of this aircraft was a "whole 'nother ballgame" from the Fokker, Albatros, and OAW versions of this bird. I could photocopy the three-view if this is something you're looking for. Be advised that apparently major surgery is required to alter the front end to accommodate the Daimler engine and the "buried" Schwartzlose MG's (although some MAG D.VIIs apparently used "unburied" Spandaus.) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:43:58 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vac-Form Kits. Message-ID: <199702180743.SAA18173@world.net> I'll ring the supplier, get a list and post it to the group - As long as there are no objections from anyone. Regards , Vincent. >Vincent wrote: > >>I just picked up a few vac-form kits and I'm wondering if anyone has had any >>experience or knows how accurate they are. >> >>Blue Rider Fiat/Savoia-Pomilio F5B >>Blue Rider Bleriot X1-2 Artillerie >>Blue Rider Nieuport Nightjar >>Phoenix Caudron G.IV >>Xtravac Albatros JII >>Xtravac Albatros CIX >>Xtravac Albatros CXV >> >>I believe the supplier still has some of these (I picked the lot up for >>AUS$100). > > I think that you did pretty well with these. They are reasonably >scarce kits, even when they were in production. How many more does the >supplier have ? > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:48:40 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Von Hipple's Albatros D.V (Drachen) Message-ID: <199702180748.SAA22582@world.net> Aeromaster also have the markings in 1/48th. I haven't compared them to a photo but they look great on! (I'm just completing and Eduard DV using the decals) Regards, Vincent. >>Does anyone have any clear pictures of Von Hipple's Albatros D.V with the >>dragon markings on it. I have a copy of Eisernes Kreuz und Balken Kruez >>which shows the aircraft after the crash landing. I'm looking for a better >>view to do a set of markings for my next project. >> >>Paul Howard > > > There is a seldom-published photo that shows the left side of this >aircraft from pretty close range. It is a photo of Von H with his sister, >arm in arm next to the machine. I have only seen this photo in two places, >a very generalized book of German military a/c from the 1914-1945 period, >published in the '70s (any list member got this and the exact title ??) and >later in an issue of Cross & Cockade International volume 24. I can find >this and give you the specific reference. > > What scale are you working in ? The decals exist for the dragon in >both 1:72 and 1:48 (Americal/Gryphon) and, I think only in 1:48 from Super >Scale. The A/G decals agree most with the photo I mention here. The Super >Scale dragon is much less authentic looking. > >HTH > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:15:32 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer: endangered birds? Message-ID: <33097334.2E02@anaep.pt> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > I'm rather distressed at finding out that I couldn't (excepting > Eduard) get some of my favorite affordable or "practice" kits > recently. I contacted Battle Hobbies and they informed me that they do > not have the Smer kits and no longer stock them. Anyone seen the > D.VII, D.III, S.VII or Camel on shop shelves lately or know of mail > order sources? I figured they'd always be around, but now it seems > otherwise. > I like to build 'proper' kits, but I also like the idea of modeling > with minimal finacial commitment. > > Riordan Hi Riordan, I've seen 2 or 3 SMER WW1 kits at an hobby shop here in Lisbon and I can send them to you if you want to. I can't remember now what aircraft were available, but if you're interested drop me a note and I'll check it for you. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:54:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Vacform Wing Techniques Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Bob Norgren wrote: > > It is much, much better to buy some thick basswood sheet and cut small > planks (oh, 2 x 4 inch) from it and superglue (gel) the sandpaper to it to > give you some thick sanding block sin a variety of grits. Hold the fuselage If you want to buy a ready made solution, Aeroclub do their "T-AL" system. Basically the same idea; t-section aluminium spars of a few centimetres each and differing breadths, to which you attach sandpaper by means of double sided adhesive pads. You can also attach small kit parts to a second T-AL and use this to hold the piece comfortably. (You put the sandpaper on the bar and hold the leg of the T_shape) I find that I seldom attach the parts, but use the sander all the time. Absolutely agree about paractice - I'm sure I spend less time trimming vac parts than I do thinning out the insides of most injection kits. PS I second the Haifisch comments - lovely little model. Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 437 *********************