WWI Digest 429 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re[2]: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by mbittner@juno.com 2) Sagittarius Rising by wcreedon@tiac.net (Walter G. Creedon) 3) Model photos in OTF by Peter Kilduff 4) Cannon Armed Spads by James Gibbons 5) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by Hirohisa Ozaki 6) Re: Gotha info please... by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Books by Jack Berlien 8) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by Bob Norgren 9) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by Bob Norgren 10) Re: Wednesday, 7 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just by Erik Pilawskii 11) Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum by Erik Pilawskii 12) Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: Books by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Genet's drawings by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 16) Re: Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 17) Re: Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by mbittner@juno.com 19) Scale by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Scale by Alberto Rada 22) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by "Rob " 23) RE: Scale by Shane Weier 24) Re: Cannon Armed Spads by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) RE: Eduard News/Propaganda by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 06:18:42 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: <19970210.052100.12526.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:03:32 -0500 "Shelley Goodwin" writes: > The Cl.I is also featured in: Harleyford Fighters, Green & > Swanborough, AC in Profile and Munson's Fighters 1914-1918. I'd > be surprised if it weren't in C&C somewhere as well... Unfortunately, there are still titles I need to add to my database. Not only the Harleyfor title, but those Putnam's I have, as well. Not to mention the A-H tome - which, in a way, I dread entering. I don't think my desk is strong enough. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:34:31 -0500 From: wcreedon@tiac.net (Walter G. Creedon) To: wwi Subject: Sagittarius Rising Message-ID: Just got this book from an interlibrary loan; a few days ago someone posted a comment about it and its author,Cecil Lewis. Could that contributor say again his/her remarks about the book and its author? Thanks. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 7:31:48 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: Model photos in OTF Message-ID: <970210073148.20311caa@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to DavidL1217@aol.com >I took several photos and I would be gald to send these in. However, I do >not have captions regarding the kits. Maybe Alan Durkota kept his notes.... It would be best for Mike, David, et al. to coordinate with Alan D. Thanks. PK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:06:46 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <01BC1729.5D679A20@jgibbons.together.net> I've heard that there was a variant of the Spad XIII that had a cannon = (30mm?) fring through the propellor hub. Does anyone know how common = these aircraft were and whether or not they used the cannon against = other planes or only against more stationary targets (balloons etc.)? = Also, could the cannon be reloaded in flight or was it single shot? I would appreciate any information on this topic that I can get (or = information on sources of such information). Thanks, James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 22:39:59 JST From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <9702101339.AA07514@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello James, It is SPAD XII which armed 37mm Hispano cannon through the propellor hub. James Gibbons wrote: >I've heard that there was a variant of the Spad XIII that had a cannon = >(30mm?) fring through the propellor hub. Does anyone know how common = >these aircraft were and whether or not they used the cannon against = >other planes or only against more stationary targets (balloons etc.)? = >Also, could the cannon be reloaded in flight or was it single shot? Yes, 37mm cannon could be reloaded in flight. But this arm was not effective because it was often occured troubles. >I would appreciate any information on this topic that I can get (or = >information on sources of such information). > >Thanks, > >James SPAD In Action, Squadron/Signal pub. WWI Aircraft Vol.2, Albatros Ltd. (DATAFILE SPECIAL). Another menber in this list will answer better than me. Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:57:41 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <199702101457.KAA23556@fw.true.net> At 03:49 PM 09-02-97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi gang, > >I am looking for any interior drawings or photographs that may be available >for the Gotha G.V My next project will be to conquer the Rareplanes kit >complete with one open engine pod. This should keep me busy for quite some >time and off the streets. > I have the Gotha Special from Albatros by Peter Grosz, it has good drawings and cockpit detail, if you need it I'll fax it to you. Count me on, on the bombs SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:15:09 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: At the risk of duplicating previous information, can you supply the details on the below mentioned "Color Profiles of WWI Aircraft" and where it might be available? Thanks, Jack ------------------ Original text From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael), on 2/8/97 11:13 PM: At 09:53 AM 2/8/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:06:41 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) >writes: > >> I'm curious, which titles available these days are of most >> benefit to the modeler, while, on the other hand, which are of >> more interest to the WWI air war enthusiast. I think myself >> both, but to hear your opinions would be enlightening, and >> interesting. I must have missed this one when my server/computer was hating me. I join in Matt's suggestions. Here as some additional ones: The Camel File. Just aboutanything you wanted to know about each airplane produced...serial nos., some great photos and someline drawings. Albatros DVa. The Smithsonian puts this one out. It's a step by step walk through of the reconstruction of the DVa in the museum. Lots of close ups of the cockpit, etc. for all that nice detail work I can't do. High in the Empty Blue by Revel. Great history of 56 Squadron. Tons of SE5/a photos and a lot opf color plates. Air Aces of the A-H Empire by O"Connor. Short bios of all A-H aces, terrific color plates and lots of photos. Color Profiles of WWI Aircraft. I keep coming back to this one a lot. Covers most of the major airplanes, and has lots of nice color plates. The Jasta Pilots by Franks et al. This just came out, but it has color schemes for all the Jastas, and for that reason alone would be worth it. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:36:36 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <32FF0844.40F6@ne.infi.net> DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: That's why, in some respects, I > would hate to see a Revellogram or Airfixellorumbol start pushing the small > guys around. The beauty of the cottage industry is this: the big boys CAN'T push us around. We are much more flexible in our choice of subjects. We can do the second or third tier aircraft. The big boys can't. They have to do the top sellers. That's why you see so many Mustangs and 109s. They are terrified with getting stuck with a non-selling kit. On the other hand, I can do the little known aircraft and still have plenty of subjects. The cottage industry ads life to the hobby, otherwise the modeler would be awash in Mustangs and 109s. Bob Sierra Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:52:08 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <32FF0BE8.7C58@ne.infi.net> Shane Weier wrote: > You'll find an even better correlation - even the DFW T.28 Floh and that > helicopter whatsit are represented in each. I reckon a better indicator of > future projects than whether Bob has it in his Sierra range is whether > Peter Grosz, Jack Bruce, Ian Stair and Ray Rimmell have made a good > reference available. Good point. Without the reference material widely available, you have no models coming out. > As far as being better off with the cottage industry goes, I must say that > I'd welcome the likes of Tamiya, Monogram or Airfix producing some of the > standard kits in injection form - Camel, SE5a, SPAD VII and so on. As far as the big boys are concerned, WWI is a dead subject. Revell only released its 1/28 Fokker D.VII because it has had the molds lying around for decades. DML/Dragon dropped its ENTIRE line of aircraft kits as there is apparently more money in armor. Even Eduard, who re-invented the injected WWI kit lately is probably going to move to about 75% WWII subjects. And Glencoe has apparently given up it's idea of new WWI kits. Monogram found out in the eighties that post-WWII subjects are a money loser. It's a matter of simple economics...you can't keep flushing your cash down the toilet, no matter what your "love" is. So be nice to the cottage industry manufacturers...they are all that is left concerning WWI. I still make WWI kits for two simple reasons: 1. I like the wide variety of color schemes. 2. The kits are fast and easy to make, something that is very important in a vacform business where the market is limited ("I can't build a vacform...it's TOO HARD...") and you have to quickly pump out the new kits as fast as possible to make a (poverty level) living. But the latter has taken a toll on me and my family over the last ten years and I too am moving to WWII subjects to survive. For, alas, I haven't won the lottery yet and am not among the idle rich... Bob Sierra Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wednesday, 7 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > Tried to write a letter to darling Gertrude this > evening but tore it up in disgust and despair. I feel mighty well > disheartened and blue over Gerty. My love and devotion for her seems to > be a total waste. Well well well... Let there be light! Grab Helen, Genet ol' boy!... Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, barrett wrote: > > The triplane may very well be a reproduction. If it isn't, then it has been > masterfully restored. However, in talking with one of the employees, I was > told that the museum's collection grew out of two pieces, Collishaw's > triplane (though that designation may just be for the tourists!), and the > captured A.E.G. bomber (returned to Canada as a war trophy). Unfortunately, > the Junkers J4 was not out on display. For WWII buffs, there was a Spitfire > IX, Mustang, ME 109 (Ooops, sorry guys), Lancaster, Komet, Salamander, > Mosquito, Mitchel and so on. > Kevin, I took some none-too-good photos of the J.4 (as it is) when I was there a couple years back. If you're interested, I can send a copy to you. Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" ............................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:53:54 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) Message-ID: <199702102353.SAA08054@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Erik, Kevin & anyone else interested About 3 years ago OTF had its seminar in Ottawa. What a great time. We had a dinner at the museum and pretty much had free reign of the place afterwards. I got some good shots of the triplane rigging and the Pup still under restsoration. Same thi g w/regards to the BE2c. If anyone is interested in the photos, let me know. I don't have a scanner but matbe I can mail them to someone who could figure out how to disseminate them or get them onto Al's page. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:53:56 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199702102353.SAA08059@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:17 AM 2/10/97 -0500, Jack Berlien wrote: >At the risk of duplicating previous information, can you supply the details on >the >below mentioned "Color Profiles of WWI Aircraft" and where it might be >available? Jack and Kevin "Color Profiles of W.W. I Combat Planes" is probably out of print. It was published by Crescent Books, NY, NY in 1974. It was written byGiorgio Apostolo and Giorgio Begnozzi and my guess is that it was originally written in Italian. I picked mine up at a 2nd hand book dealer for $35. I don't suspect that it should be too hard to find. Definitely worth getting. There are some used book dealers that concentrate on these types of things and you should be able to succeed if persistent. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:53:59 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <199702102353.SAA08070@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:19 AM 2/10/97 -0500, James Gibbons wrote: >I've heard that there was a variant of the Spad XIII that had a cannon = >(30mm?) fring through the propellor hub. Does anyone know how common = >these aircraft were and whether or not they used the cannon against = >other planes or only against more stationary targets (balloons etc.)? = >Also, could the cannon be reloaded in flight or was it single shot? > >I would appreciate any information on this topic that I can get (or = >information on sources of such information). Jim Here's a little more info. The SPAD XII was the outgrowth of Guynemer's request to install a 37-mm cannon in a VII. It was first called the SPAD 8C and used a 200hp geared Hispano-Suiza engine. It eventually got the designation SPAD XIICa.1 300 were built and flown by Guynemer, Fonck and later by Maj. Biddle of the USAS. Apparently the heavy recoil from the cannon and the fumes in the cockpit made the plane unpopular. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:54:01 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Genet's drawings Message-ID: <199702102354.SAA08076@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:57 PM 2/9/97 -0500, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >921. Fine day. Did no flying as my machine needed overhauling. Painted >some more decorations I've been putting on the walls of our living room >during the day. >from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet Anyone ever seen any photos of the walls showing the decorating job done by our boy? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:06:06 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) Message-ID: Mike wrote: >Erik, Kevin & anyone else interested > About 3 years ago OTF had its seminar in Ottawa. What a great time. >We had a dinner at the museum and pretty much had free reign of the place >afterwards. I got some good shots of the triplane rigging and the Pup still >under restsoration. Same thi g w/regards to the BE2c. If anyone is >interested in the photos, let me know. I don't have a scanner but matbe I >can mail them to someone who could figure out how to disseminate them or get >them onto Al's page. >Mike Muth To the list: Tomorrow, I'll see if my photos (SPAD, Snipe, Avro, Camel, BE2, Tripe, AEG) turned out (fingers crossed!). If they did, and anyone is interested, I can make copies available too. Here's hoping, Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:07:32 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Canadian Air History Photos(National Aviation Museum) Message-ID: <19970210.210945.13430.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:04:56 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) writes: > Tomorrow, I'll see if my photos (SPAD, Snipe, Avro, Camel, BE2, > Tripe, AEG) turned out (fingers crossed!). If they did, and > anyone is interested, I can make copies available too. Why not send a copy to Al, and let him scan them into the web page? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:07:29 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <19970210.210945.13430.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:45:12 -0500 Bob Norgren writes: > On the other hand, I can do the little known aircraft and still > have plenty of subjects. The cottage industry ads life to the > hobby, otherwise the modeler would be awash in Mustangs and > 109s. Hear, here!!! Good call Bob. I for one am glad for the cottage industry, especially without it, we would be as dry as a bone. Even though I frequently complain about the prices (besides Sierra, of course), deep down I am extremely happy with the cottage "people". Keep up the great work, Bob!! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:07:32 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Scale Message-ID: <19970210.210945.13430.5.mbittner@juno.com> Yes, I know I'm breaching a sore subject here, but I had to bring it up. Barry Stettler (from Rosemont) and I were discussing just how old our hobby has gotten. We came to a *grim* realization that there are only a few announced 1/72nd kit releases from the "big" companies. This is a crying shame. I know people have their reasons for building 1/48th, but I do *not* want to see the demise of 1/72nd. Do you realise that if it wasn't for the "Eastern" European and Russian companies, us 1/72nd guys would hardly have anything? Also look at the cottage folks. I'm seeing more and more "drift" towards 1/48th almost exclusively. From what I remember (Bob, please help me out here), even Sierra is releasing more 1/48th jobs than 1/72nd. I do not like this trend. What I would like to see is younger blood getting initially into 1/72nd, as well as some of the "older" folks go back to this scale. I know all too well the cries of lesser dexterity, or failing eyesight. How about getting a younger person into our hobby by showing them the joys of building first, and what one can do with a 1/72nd job? Okay, fire away. I've got my asbestos underwear on. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:07:30 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <19970210.210945.13430.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:01:27 -0500 Bob Norgren writes: > Good point. Without the reference material widely available, you > have no models coming out. Or, you could be like some manufactures, and regardless of the material out there, you still get it wrong (the Revell Spitfire Mk.Vb, for example). > As far as the big boys are concerned, WWI is a dead subject. > Revell only released its 1/28 Fokker D.VII because it has had > the molds lying around for decades. DML/Dragon dropped its > ENTIRE line of aircraft kits as there is apparently more money > in armor. Even Eduard, who re-invented the injected WWI kit > lately is probably going to move to about 75% WWII subjects. And > Glencoe has apparently given up it's idea of new WWI kits. > Monogram found out in the eighties that post-WWII subjects are a > money loser. It's a matter of simple economics...you can't keep > flushing your cash down the toilet, no matter what your "love" > is. I see your point, and it's an unfortunate evil. > The kits are fast and easy to make, something that is very > important in a vacform business where the market is limited ("I > can't build a vacform...it's TOO HARD...") and you have to > quickly pump out the new kits as fast as possible to make a > (poverty level) living. But the latter has taken a toll on me > and my family over the last ten years and I too am moving to > WWII subjects to survive. For, alas, I haven't won the lottery > yet and am not among the idle rich... Hmm...I hope that moving towards WW2 does not mean you'll forgo WW1. And as far as content, I don't really mind as long as you bring out something that hasn't been done to death, like that Bf-10whateverthingie. Although I'm sure they're in the same league as WW1, how about some between the wars stuff? I can think of a *lot* of subjects that need to be done from this era that haven't been put into kit form, especially recently. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:31:13 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Message-ID: <199702110331.XAA09418@fw.true.net> At 10:18 PM 10-02-97 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, I know I'm breaching a sore subject here, but I had to bring >it up. Barry Stettler (from Rosemont) and I were discussing just >how old our hobby has gotten. We came to a *grim* realization >that there are only a few announced 1/72nd kit releases from the >"big" companies. This is a crying shame. > >I know people have their reasons for building 1/48th, but I do >*not* want to see the demise of 1/72nd. >Okay, fire away. I've got my asbestos underwear on. ;-) > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > > Matt , you touched my hart, even I suport your plea SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:29:04 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <199702110333.WAA27725@cliff.cris.com> Mike wrote: > Here's a little more info. The SPAD XII was the outgrowth of > Guynemer's request to install a 37-mm cannon in a VII. It was first called > the SPAD 8C and used a 200hp geared Hispano-Suiza engine. It eventually got > the designation SPAD XIICa.1 300 were built and flown by Guynemer, Fonck > and later by Maj. Biddle of the USAS. Apparently the heavy recoil from the > cannon and the fumes in the cockpit made the plane unpopular. Also: the 37-mm Puteaux was, I believe, a semi-automatic weapon that had to be fed ammo a round at a time--tough to do in a dogfight and aiming must've been a bit problematic; the breach was a substantial piece of sharp-edged steel that moved violently in close proximity to the aviator's person; the weapon generally (always?) fired solid shot (not shells) so its destructive power was not as great as one might expect. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:58:48 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale Message-ID: <01BC1823.B53C9660@pc087b.mim.com.au> Matt carefully places his ass (US) in the griddle: >We came to a *grim* realization >that there are only a few announced 1/72nd kit releases from the >"big" companies. This is a crying shame. It gets worse. Fewer people are building those that are released == even less incentive for the companies. >I know people have their reasons for building 1/48th, but I do >*not* want to see the demise of 1/72nd. Do you realise that if >it wasn't for the "Eastern" European and Russian companies, us >1/72nd guys would hardly have anything? Despite my apparent position in the 1/48th modelling brigade, I still build some in 1/72. Enough to remember that Rosemont, Pegasus and many others aren't Eastern European. I suspect taht what you mean is that the Japanese companies and Revellogram have moved heavily towards the larger scales. However, I definitely don't want to see 1/72 go under either. It *still* provides by far the widest range of subjects, it still has pocket money kits to start kids on (in fact, I presented 4 to various nephews at Christmas), it still allows big collections within the confines of a normal home etc. >I do not like this trend. What I would like to see is younger >blood getting initially into 1/72nd, as well as some of the >"older" folks go back to this scale. I'm going to inflict an enecdote on you all at this point. I'm a committee member of the Queensland Model Hobby Expo, which is, if you like, our equivalent of a "Regional". The competition held at QMHE had a drop off in aircraft models in 1996, despite a 20% rise in total entries. *Most* of the drop off was in small scale aircraft. At our committee meeting last Saturday, the competition steward broached a change in categories which would *eliminate* the small scale aircraft classes and merge 1/72 aircraft with 1/48 in competition. This to save money to allow expansion of popular classes (1/35 tanks that never were, 1/35 tanks that no-one even drew on a napkin, 1/35 german soldiers pissing on a lamp-post, that sort of frequently moulded stuff) But IMHO it would kill off 1:72 stone dead. Given that many 1/72 entries were from folk who enter both sections (which are restricted to one entry per person per section), and that others would doubt being able to compete fairly, I expect we'd see NO 1/72 models :-( This was averted only because one member of committee gave QMHE a private sponsorship for the 1/72 classes The same person also sponsored a (new) split of the Junior aircraft awards into small and large scale classes. I think it's way too soon to declare 1/72 dead (it is still very popular in the UK, and with kids here) but it's rare to see them in competition because many modellers nowadays expect their masterpieces built for them. They won't enter a comp without the latest Tamiya kit, Errormaster decals, Jaguar resins, Eduard brass etc And that combination scarcely exists in 1/72 compared to the plethora in 1/48 >I know all too well the >cries of lesser dexterity, or failing eyesight. How about >getting a younger person into our hobby by showing them the joys >of building first, and what one can do with a 1/72nd job? Well I put my money where my mouth is. My brother in law hates me (because my nephew wants the "right" paints, just like Uncle Shane, and it's costing him a fortune) but I don't care !!! >Okay, fire away. I've got my asbestos underwear on. ;-) Aww heck, after agreeing with you an all.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:44:10 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Cannon Armed Spads Message-ID: <199702110444.AA02797@ednet1.orednet.org> Mike wrote: > >At 08:19 AM 2/10/97 -0500, James Gibbons wrote: >>I've heard that there was a variant of the Spad XIII that had a cannon = >>(30mm?) fring through the propellor hub. Does anyone know how common = >>these aircraft were and whether or not they used the cannon against = >>other planes or only against more stationary targets (balloons etc.)? = >>Also, could the cannon be reloaded in flight or was it single shot? >> >>I would appreciate any information on this topic that I can get (or = >>information on sources of such information). > >Jim > Here's a little more info. The SPAD XII was the outgrowth of >Guynemer's request to install a 37-mm cannon in a VII. It was first called >the SPAD 8C and used a 200hp geared Hispano-Suiza engine. It eventually got >the designation SPAD XIICa.1 300 were built and flown by Guynemer, Fonck >and later by Maj. Biddle of the USAS. Apparently the heavy recoil from the >cannon and the fumes in the cockpit made the plane unpopular. Just a couple additional details on this bird. While apparently 300 SPAD XIICa.1's were ordered, apparently nothing close to that number were actually built. The number of SPAD XII's at the front varied between five in April, '18 and eight at the time of the armistice. The SPAD XII was basically a SPAD VII fuselage with the 200 hp Hispano and larger wing surfaces. The engine was later upgraded to 220 hp. There were also modifications to increase the wing area. Guynemer's SPAD XII was S 382 and he scored, apparently, two victories with this aircraft on August 18. 1917 when he downed an Albatros with machine gun fire and a DFW with the cannon. The following day, S 382 was damaged while attacking a German two seater and, so far as I can determine, never used the SPAD XII again, prefering, apparently SPAD XIII S 504. Windsock, Autumn '88 has a short but decent article on this aircraft. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <970211004511_-1575803303@emout20.mail.aol.com> Admittedly, I would love to see how Monogram would do a 1/48 Staaken RVI. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:53:58 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <01BC1833.CB662900@pc087b.mim.com.au> David, >Admittedly, I would love to see how Monogram would do a 1/48 Staaken RVI. Oooooh. My favourite dream scratchbuild project. But the wingspan is about 4 feet, and the cheese und kisses says I do it, I die. Sigh. Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 429 *********************