WWI Digest 428 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Spray Booth plans on the net. by "Leonard Endy" 2) More about model photos in OTF by Peter Kilduff 3) Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 5) Re: Attn : U-boat buffs by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 6) Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 7) Tuesday, 6 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Wednesday, 7 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) Gotha info please... by Joseph Gentile 10) Thursday, 8 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 11) Friday, 9 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 12) Re: Gotha info please... by mbittner@juno.com 13) Joe Gentile by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Books by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 15) Canadian National Aviation Musieum by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 16) Re: Books by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by DavidL1217@aol.com 18) Re: Model photos in OTF by DavidL1217@aol.com 19) Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum by DavidL1217@aol.com 20) Re: Gotha info please... by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Re: Gotha info please... by "S.M.Sundberg" 22) Re: Books by "Bill Ciciora" 23) RE: Eduard News/Propaganda by Shane Weier 24) Re: Gotha info please... by "Shelley Goodwin" 25) Re[2]: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 26) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by Hirohisa Ozaki 27) Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 06:18:11 Eastern Standard Time From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Spray Booth plans on the net. Message-ID: <19970209061811.01eccb30.in@legend.firstsaga.com> Subject: Spray Booth plans on the net. For those interested there are plans and instruction for building a spray booth at "www.discoverynet.com/~bhi/spraybth.htm". Found this while surfing and thought someone might be interested. Len _ QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 8:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: More about model photos in OTF Message-ID: <970209084643.2034543e@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to: > If only I would have thought about it when I was in DC, Peter, I >would have been more than willing. As it was, I took no photos and didn't go >to the awards ceremony. I know there were people who were taking photos. >It's a real rush to see someone take a photo og one of your >models! (Especially my attempts...no medals awarded but it didn't matter. >Some guys thought mine looked cool ;-)) > Anyway. if nothing shows up. I'd be willing to try, but would >obviously need help from someone who took photos and someone who had the >results. I will try and remember for the next time! >Mike As the old sage once said: the output is only as good as the input. If anyone can help Mike with the item noted above, it would be good for everyone. All of this might best be coordinated through the OTF modeling editor: Alan Durkota 35 Chelsea Street Stratford, CT 06497 PK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 12:25:03 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: <19970209.112747.13486.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:46:39 -0500 "Shelley Goodwin" writes: > Anyone have this 'un? How's the corrugation detail? Any other > companies kit this plane? I don't have it, but Classic Planes is one of the best 1/72nd vac makers (another being Sierra, natuerlich :-)) so you can't go wrong. The only thing to keep in mind is if it's an earlier CP, then you don't get any extra "stuff", besides Contrail struts. The only entry I show for it is Windsock Vol 9 No 1 has a color plate of one. Unfortunately, another poorly represented type. Good luck, and HTH. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:46:54 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: Hi all! Riordan Goodwin typed: > Anyone have this 'un? How's the corrugation detail? > Any other companies kit this plane? > Riordan A friend of mine just built one. He did a very good job with the kit. It wasn't easy, though! THe corrugations are, frankly, a little rough. With a coat of paint and standing a foot away, it looks great! A little closer and it doesn't appear quite so pretty. If you want a competition winning model, you'll have to replace the corrugations. To fill a hole in a collection, this one will work fine. John Roll john@rollmodels.com http://www.rollmodels.com The Internet Model Shop ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:57:47 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn : U-boat buffs Message-ID: <32FE566B.17B7@host.dmsc.net> from the WWI history list: Brooks A. Rowlett wrote: > > At the Internatiional Plastic Modellers Society local chapter show and > contest yesterday, I picked up a Japanese book on German U-boats of > WWII. It is primarily a photo book, and I have a friednd who reads some > Japanese, so the fact that there is no english text other than "U-boats" > on the cover is not a great hindrance. One nice feature is a fold-out > with constant-scale full hull side views of all the WW2 classes. The > book is a special issue from _Ground Power- magazine (?) > August 96. > > DELTA Publishing Co Ltd > 1-53, Kanda Jinbo-Cho > Chiiyoda-Ku, > Tokyo, Japan. > > In the submarine section of the model contest, to my amusement, there > were five entries building the DML 1:350 kit of the German Type XXI > "Elektroboot". > > In addition, I picked up a 1:350 scale resin kit from Blue Water Navy > in the _U-35_ of WWI, the highest scoring submarine, under the > highest scoring commander, of either World War, Lothar von Arnauld de > la Periere. He achieved most of his over 500,000 gt and over 200 > vessels destroyed, in the Mediterranean in WWI. Finally I also got a > brand new 1:700 resin kit of a 1960's USN THRESHER/PERMIT type nuclear > sub. > > Brooks A Rowlett > brooksar@indy.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:52:56 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: > Anyone have this 'un? How's the corrugation detail? > Any other companies kit this plane? > Riordan Corrugations on this kit are a bit on the crude side. Definitely not as good as those on the Warbirds Junkers D-I. The only other kit made of this a/c was a very, very basic vac kit by one Ken Cramer of Columbus, Ohio. Unfortunately, you will have a very difficult time finding this kit, if at all, but then again, he made it with a smooth finish leaving the builder to add the corrugations. Buy the Classic Plane kit. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:18:16 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 6 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <32FE6948.534C@host.dmsc.net> 918. Fine day. Tried to go out for a flight and had no luck. The oil is completely frozen in the tank and pipes so couldn't risk burning any cylinders. Did some aerial combat sketches on the walls of our living room. Captain Thenault got back today from the hospital at Amiens where he has been laid up for some time. Our "ace" Adj. Lufberry has been proposed for Chevilier of the Legion of Honor. Not much new over the U.S.-Germany situation. Excitement, tho, over in the States must be extremely tense indeed. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:28:50 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 7 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <32FE6BC2.16F0@host.dmsc.net> 919. Fine day but quite chilly and windy. Tried to go out this morning but couldn't succeed in getting the motor to run until the afternoon. Finally got started at 3:25 and stayed out until sunset at 5:10. It was a very enjoyable flight. Saw one German Machine within his lines just West of Noyon but just when I got into a good position to dive down onto his tail he turned and went far into his lines and much too low to make very safe for me to follow. Tried to write a letter to darling Gertrude this evening but tore it up in disgust and despair. I feel mighty well disheartened and blue over Gerty. My love and devotion for her seems to be a total waste. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ****************************************** Wednesday, Feb. 7, 1917 Made a flight over the lines in the late p.m. Got lost for part of the time and found myself away within the enemy lines where I saw a Boche Machine away down near the ground, didn't go down after it. Found where I was and flew along the lines as far north as Roye. Went out in quest of two enemy machines reported regulating artillery fire within our lines near Le Quesnel but failed to find them. Got fired at near Roye but shells broke well below me. Got back after sunset with a clogged machine gun. Time: 1 hour 45 minutes Height 3200-3900 from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:43:40 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <199702092043.OAA09617@Walden.MO.NET> Hi gang, I am looking for any interior drawings or photographs that may be available for the Gotha G.V My next project will be to conquer the Rareplanes kit complete with one open engine pod. This should keep me busy for quite some time and off the streets. In reading the Ministry of Munitions report in "Gotha!" it is stated that the two fuel cells blocked access between the pilot and rear gunner. Are there any thoughts about this set up in regards to the early G.V's? Also, who has purchased any of the Gotha markings from Americal? I would like to build up G.V 670/16 complete with Chevron and serpent. Is this particular a/c offered? There are two Gotha sheets plus a supplement offered each at $12.50 and although I am sure they are worth the money but if I don't have to buy all of them.... Lastly, I will be casting my own 12.5, 50 and 100 kg puW bombs in resin. In a lame attempt to rationalize my cost of materials I will be offering them to list members to recover the cost of materials. I know of none available on the market. I guess "Joe's Resins" has just been launched. Thanks for all your insight and please snail mail any photocopies to: Joe Gentile 3430 Wismer St Ann, MO 63074 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:38:01 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 8 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <32FE6DE9.EDD@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. No flying during the morning but went out at twelve after two Boche Machines which were reported flying over Mondider. Like on all such occasions I didn't discover the Boche as they had probably returned to their own lines long before I even got started out but I had a mighty cold hour and forty minutes in the air looking for them just the same. Flew over the sector when I was in the trenches with the Legion last April and May before leaving to enter the aerial service. It is in the forest between Lassagny and Ribecourt just southeast of the former village. Went down to St. Just for awhile before dinner with some of the fellows. Feeling mighty tired and quite discouraged. I'm getting "blue" steaks jolly well often lately particularly on account of dear Gertrude. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet **************************************** Thursday, Feb. 8, 1917 Ordered out on patrol inside our lines between L'Aisne et l'Oise at noon. Couldn't get off until 12:55 because of a leaky oil tank. Flew between Roye and Ribecourt but saw neither German or French machines. Flew over the old secteurs at Tilloloy and in the big woods between Ribecourt and Lassigny where I was with the legion. Land looked very familiar too. When I was there in the trenches I never thought I should ever be flying over them as an "Aviateur Militaire." I like flying better than guarding in the wet cold trenches; who wouldn't. Nearly froze my face up today. Coldest I've found it yet. Time: 1 hour 40 minutes Height 3400 meters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:41:51 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 9 February 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <32FE6ECF.2C3F@host.dmsc.net> 921. Fine day. Did no flying as my machine needed overhauling. Painted some more decorations I've been putting on the walls of our living room during the day. Received a letter from dear little Mother and two Postals from Helen Harper from Rome where she is now. Mother writes that Mrs Bradley, the Doctors mother has died so I wrote a letter of consolation to him and his wife this afternoon. Mighty sorry indeed over the news, she was a kind old lady. Wrote also to Ralph Cooper, Miriam Griffin and to Bonbright & Co. for my allowance for this month. They have forgotten some of it I think. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 17:03:33 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <19970209.160544.9062.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:49:03 -0500 Joseph Gentile writes: > I am looking for any interior drawings or photographs that may > be available for the Gotha G.V My next project will be to > conquer the Rareplanes kit complete with one open engine pod. > This should keep me busy for quite some time and off the > streets. Joe, I show that WW1 Aero #112 and #140 both have Cockpits & Instruments on the G.V. I'll photocopy them for you tomorrow, and get them out either tomorrow or Tuesday. > Also, who has purchased any of the Gotha markings from Americal? > I would like to build up G.V 670/16 complete with Chevron and > serpent. Is this particular a/c offered? There are two Gotha > sheets plus a supplement offered each at $12.50 and although I > am sure they are worth the money but if I don't have to buy all > of them.... What I'm wondering is if those who have bought the decals wouldn't mind parsing them out for a fee. Any takers? > Lastly, I will be casting my own 12.5, 50 and 100 kg puW bombs > in resin. In a lame attempt to rationalize my cost of materials > I will be offering them to list members to recover the cost of > materials. I know of none available on the market. I guess > "Joe's Resins" has just been launched. Definitely count me in!! However, didn't some company out of either the Czech Republic or Poland release some bombs, already? Available only through Pelta? Could John Roll get these in, if that's the case? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:01:18 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Joe Gentile Message-ID: <19970209.170359.22222.0.mbittner@juno.com> Sorry to destroy bandwidth, but Joe, could you email me your snail mail? I seem to have deleted your message. Thanks. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:48:32 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: On Feb 8, Matt responed to my original inquiry: >Your best modeling resources are the periodicals, with the >Datafile's thrown in. You can never go wrong with: > >- Windsock >- Datafiles >- Over the Front >- WW1 Aero > Matt: Thanks for your considered response, it was very informative. I've read many times on this list about "Datafiles." Please excuse my ignorance, but what are they, and who produces them? They seem to be the most often quoted references. If anyone can guide this newcomer in the right direction, many thanks in advance! Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:23:26 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Canadian National Aviation Musieum Message-ID: To the List: I had the good fortune to be up in the nation's capital (Ottawa) this weekend, and spent two hours in our National Aviation Museum. They had a limited, but very fine display of WWI aircraft, beautifully restored and preserved. Each had a history of acquisition and restoration. On display were a SPAD 7 (RFC colours), BE 2c (half of linen was removed to produce a sort of cut-away), Sopwith Snipe (suspended), Avro 504K, Sopwith Camel 2F1 (RNAS) and a most magnificent A.E.G. G IV (the only extant aircraft of its type in the world, and in night lozenge camo too!). The original plan for this museum was to have three separate buildings, but only one was completed. As a result, there is a large holding area for storage of incomplete, unrestored, and undisplayed aircraft. It was in this area that I found the museum's treasure: The "Black Maria". Being a good Canadian boy, I have a soft spot for Collishaw, our greatest ace (who cares for Bishop anyway?). To see his perfectly preserved triplane was fantastic. It was intended to be the centerpiece for one of the other museum buildings and so was not integrated into the main WWI display. Too Bad! A beautiful plane! The wings were in closed storage but I managed to get in close for some photos of the markings and cockpit. Magnificent! The fusalage of a Pup was close by also. Anyway, fantastic stuff, and a great visit. I hope all the photos turn out OK. Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:51:19 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <19970209.195334.13366.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:51:10 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) writes: > Matt: Thanks for your considered response, it was very > informative. I've read many times on this list about > "Datafiles." Please excuse my ignorance, but what are they, and > who produces them? They seem to be the most often quoted > references. If anyone can guide this newcomer in the right > direction, many thanks in advance! Datafile's are put out by Albatross Prod., the same folks who put out Windsock. You can find them at one of three places (well, more actually, but there are three primary sites that list members deal with): Roll Models (www.rollmodels.com); Sopwith Hobbies; and Rosemont Hobbies. These last two can be found in the FAQ. Datafile's are unique in that they deal with (usually) one aircraft per "book". There are also Datafile Specials; those aircraft that deserve a "larger look", or those aircraft that are part of the same "family" (Albatros single seaters, for example). I think the latest number is 54, so you're 54 Datafile's behind, not to mention the Specials (Albatros Fighters; Fokker Dr.I; 2 books for the Nieuport single seat "V-Strutters"; SE5a; and Gotha bombers). I'm probably forgetting one; so please forgive me. Anyway, most of the more "popular" aircraft have been covered. However, there are still a lot to have anything at all written about them (the Junkers Cl.I comes to mind). Hope I've answered your question, and not confused you even more. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <970209210431_-1341824085@emout05.mail.aol.com> Thanks for the reply. The story of paranoia from another manufacturer was one that I too had heard. The Japanese manufacturers, I have heard, apparently do have an agreement wherein they do not compete on the same subject at a same scale. This is probably done at the behest of MITI. I strongly believe in the cottage industry. That's why, in some respects, I would hate to see a Revellogram or Airfixellorumbol start pushing the small guys around. Judging from some of the big guys other WWI efforts, we are much better off with the cottage industry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model photos in OTF Message-ID: <970209210618_1347378350@emout18.mail.aol.com> I took several photos and I would be gald to send these in. However, I do not have captions regarding the kits. Maybe Alan Durkota kept his notes.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:11:32 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum Message-ID: <970209211130_1213757877@emout19.mail.aol.com> I was at the museum a couple of years ago and saw the Tripe and the Pup. I believe both are reproductions. The Canadian museum is on par with Wright Patterson only smaller. This is an extremely nice museum. I thoroughly enjoyed being there an talking with the dosants. Did you see the Junkers J4? I hope they decide to restore this wonderful beast! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <970209211343_882603320@emout05.mail.aol.com> Joe, I have some of the Americal sheets and would be happy to photocapy portions of the Datafile for you. Please let me know, I'll bring these to Charlie Duckworth's on the 28th. David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:22:42 -0500 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <32FE7862.2421@netins.net> Joseph Gentile wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I am looking for any interior drawings or photographs that may be available > for the Gotha G.V My next project will be to conquer the Rareplanes kit > complete with one open engine pod. This should keep me busy for quite some > time and off the streets. > > In reading the Ministry of Munitions report in "Gotha!" it is stated that > the two fuel cells blocked access between the pilot and rear gunner. Are > there any thoughts about this set up in regards to the early G.V's? > > Also, who has purchased any of the Gotha markings from Americal? I would > like to build up G.V 670/16 complete with Chevron and serpent. Is this > particular a/c offered? There are two Gotha sheets plus a supplement > offered each at $12.50 and although I am sure they are worth the money but > if I don't have to buy all of them.... > > Lastly, I will be casting my own 12.5, 50 and 100 kg puW bombs in resin. In > a lame attempt to rationalize my cost of materials I will be offering them > to list members to recover the cost of materials. I know of none available > on the market. I guess "Joe's Resins" has just been launched. > > Thanks for all your insight and please snail mail any photocopies to: > > Joe Gentile > 3430 Wismer > St Ann, MO 63074 I have Americal sheet No. 51 and it has the G.V. 670/16 decals with serpent and chevron. I would be happy to send those particular decals to you as a small gesture of appreciation for the Hannover Cl.III info you sent. There are a lot of other aircraft represented on this sheet, so whenever I get around to doing the plane, I'll have plenty of choices left. Steve Sundberg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:28:14 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: Matt opined: > As far as books go, it depends. You can be certain that most > Squadron Signal In Action's leave a *lot* to be desired. If > there's a Datafile on the type that's covered by an In Action, > you're better off with the Datafile. I found the BE2 In Action to be more useful and more comprehensive than the Datafile on the same subject. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:39:56 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <01BC174F.863C8660@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi all, >The story of paranoia from another manufacturer was one that I too had heard. >The Japanese manufacturers, I have heard, apparently do have an agreement >wherein they do not compete on the same subject at a same scale. This is >probably done at the behest of MITI. Tamiya, Hasegawa Spitfires?? Tamiya, Fujimi Bf whatsits? Many others but I'm talking relatively new releases. I doubt if there's any formal agreement, just common sense marketing which assumes that it's as good to have all of a small cake as a tiny slice of a big one - so try to pick less popular subjects that *aren't* being made by a competitor, and compete for share of the popular ones. >I strongly believe in the cottage industry. That's why, in some respects, I >would hate to see a Revellogram or Airfixellorumbol start pushing the small >guys around. Judging from some of the big guys other WWI efforts, we are >much better off with the cottage industry. Ditto. But too much is being made of the coincidence of Eduard and various vacform/resin manufacturers lines. FACT: Have a look at the models produced by Eduard and the Datafiles available. You'll find an even better correlation - even the DFW T.28 Floh and that helicopter whatsit are represented in each. I reckon a better indicator of future projects than whether Bob has it in his Sierra range is whether Peter Grosz, Jack Bruce, Ian Stair and Ray Rimmell have made a good reference available. As far as being better off with the cottage industry goes, I must say that I'd welcome the likes of Tamiya, Monogram or Airfix producing some of the standard kits in injection form - Camel, SE5a, SPAD VII and so on. Those subjects are more likely to return them a profit on the huge investment needed. And the kits (assuming modern kit standards) would make an easier intro for tyro WW1 modellers than the few extra difficulties an Eduard kit provides, or the psychological barrier of vacforms and mixed media kits I doubt the big manufacturers will ever see a big enough market to go competing with the cottage industry for most of the rest. Hell, Dragon have finally dropped the Camel - not enough money in it apparently, though WW2 armoured trains are okay :-( So I will keep on buying cottage kits as fast as they make em and as often as i can afford - I *still* remember THE DROUGHT Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 97 18:34:16 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha info please... Message-ID: <9701098555.AA855542890@mx.Ricochet.net> Joe, Pelta/RPM models puts out a set of injection 'Polish' PuW bombs (50, 100 & 300kg sizes with fin templates) for around $10. They're uncommon, but you might try locating a set via mail order b4 casting your. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Gotha info please... Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/9/97 12:46 PM Hi gang, I am looking for any interior drawings or photographs that may be available for the Gotha G.V My next project will be to conquer the Rareplanes kit complete with one open engine pod. This should keep me busy for quite some time and off the streets. In reading the Ministry of Munitions report in "Gotha!" it is stated that the two fuel cells blocked access between the pilot and rear gunner. Are there any thoughts about this set up in regards to the early G.V's? Also, who has purchased any of the Gotha markings from Americal? I would like to build up G.V 670/16 complete with Chevron and serpent. Is this particular a/c offered? There are two Gotha sheets plus a supplement offered each at $12.50 and although I am sure they are worth the money but if I don't have to buy all of them.... Lastly, I will be casting my own 12.5, 50 and 100 kg puW bombs in resin. In a lame attempt to rationalize my cost of materials I will be offering them to list members to recover the cost of materials. I know of none available on the market. I guess "Joe's Resins" has just been launched. Thanks for all your insight and please snail mail any photocopies to: Joe Gentile 3430 Wismer St Ann, MO 63074 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 97 18:49:46 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: <9701098555.AA855542908@mx.Ricochet.net> Matt, The Cl.I is also featured in: Harleyford Fighters, Green & Swanborough, AC in Profile and Munson's Fighters 1914-1918. I'd be surprised if it weren't in C&C somewhere as well... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/9/97 9:34 AM On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:46:39 -0500 "Shelley Goodwin" writes: > Anyone have this 'un? How's the corrugation detail? Any other > companies kit this plane? I don't have it, but Classic Planes is one of the best 1/72nd vac makers (another being Sierra, natuerlich :-)) so you can't go wrong. The only thing to keep in mind is if it's an earlier CP, then you don't get any extra "stuff", besides Contrail struts. The only entry I show for it is Windsock Vol 9 No 1 has a color plate of one. Unfortunately, another poorly represented type. Good luck, and HTH. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 12:28:55 JST From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <9702100328.AA00444@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> Bob Norgren wrote: >DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Do you ever wonder if Eduard is out to get the vacuform manufacturers? They >> seen to take aim at your subjects and those of others.... > >Eduard is not "out to get" anybody. They are just trying to make good >quality models of interesting subjects. People outside the business seem to >think that the manufacturers get together and politely agree not to >duplicate each other's subjects. Frankly, this is a fantasy that a lot of >modelers seem to have about the cottage industry. But this is business in a >free marketplace, not 5-year central planning by a bunch of communist >technocrats. > >Does Ford not make station wagons because Honda makes one? The fact is >there are only so many popular subjects out there and there is bound to be >duplication. I know one vacform manufacturer who is very bitter because >the big companies have "stolen" his precious subjects, even though some of >his kits are ten or twenty years old. I have no ill will towards any >manufacturer who makes an injected kit that duplicates one of my subjects. >For one thing, I have already made my money on that kit. For another, it's >nice to see a complete injected kit of the subject. > >In any event, Vladimir of Eduard and I were both houseguests of a company >president during the big Chicago show back in October. We talked about all >kinds of things over the four days. The fact is, he and I both like the same >airplanes! It's as simple as that. > >Bob >Sierra Scale Models I agree with Bob. It is good situation that we have many choices, I think. I have Eduard Albatros D.V/a, and I ordererd Tom's D.V. If Sierra will re-release Albatros D.V, I will order it. The comparsion which same item between another manufacturer is a way of enjoying model life of me. BTW, Bob, can you mold mainwings thinner than now? I spent many times to sand mainwings:-) Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:02:36 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Canadian National Aviation Musieum Message-ID: DavidL1217@aol.com replied: >I was at the museum a couple of years ago and saw the Tripe and the Pup. I >believe both are reproductions. > David: The triplane may very well be a reproduction. If it isn't, then it has been masterfully restored. However, in talking with one of the employees, I was told that the museum's collection grew out of two pieces, Collishaw's triplane (though that designation may just be for the tourists!), and the captured A.E.G. bomber (returned to Canada as a war trophy). Unfortunately, the Junkers J4 was not out on display. For WWII buffs, there was a Spitfire IX, Mustang, ME 109 (Ooops, sorry guys), Lancaster, Komet, Salamander, Mosquito, Mitchel and so on. By the way, I stumbled upon "Above the Trenches" in the museum's bookstore for just 20 Hudson's Bay Pesos. A real deal that I quickly snapped up. Nice book. Kevin. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 428 *********************