WWI Digest 427 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Got the Bristol M1C stuff by "S.M. Head" 2) Re: Home Brewed Etchings by Mathoo@aol.com 3) Re: Books by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Home Brewed Etchings by "Bill Ciciora" 5) Re: DML Fokker D.VIII Kit Review by Mark Shannon 6) Re: Eduard News/Propaganda by Bob Norgren 7) Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 8) Re: Got the Bristol M1C stuff by "Shelley Goodwin" 9) Re: Got the Bristol M1C stuff by "Shelley Goodwin" 10) Re: Books by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Re: Model photos in OTF by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 03:40:50 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Got the Bristol M1C stuff Message-ID: <9702080333.aa15627@mail.iapc.net> Riordan Thanks for the Bristol M1C xeroxes! They came today just in time for me to get underway on my LSM kit. If you ever need anything from me, I'm at your service! I'd have sent this via personal e-mail, but I don't have your address. Anyway, the rest of the group ought to know what a great help you are! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:13:57 -0500 (EST) From: Mathoo@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Home Brewed Etchings Message-ID: <970207141014_1447843460@emout18.mail.aol.com> List, The FSM of Sept. 1993 has an article about photoetching at home. Gives you all the details about what you need and how to do it. Matthew Burchette Mathoo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:45:17 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <19970208.084706.14078.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:06:41 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) writes: > I'm curious, which titles available these days are of most > benefit to the modeler, while, on the other hand, which are of > more interest to the WWI air war enthusiast. I think myself > both, but to hear your opinions would be enlightening, and > interesting. Interesting question. Since I haven't seen anybody else reply, I thought I would give it a shot. Your best modeling resources are the periodicals, with the Datafile's thrown in. You can never go wrong with: - Windsock - Datafiles - Over the Front - WW1 Aero Now, WW1 Aero I would think is more geared to those suffering with AMS. The magazine is geared a bit more toward full size replica's, rather than models. However, it's this focus that can be a large help to modelers. One of their on going columns, Cockpits and Instruments, I have found to be immeasurably helpful. Another periodical that some consider helpful is Cross and Cockade International. However, my personal opinion is that this one has a lot of biography type "stuff", gearing more towards the British side. However, there were series that I would consider a must for modelers of a specific type. For example, their series on the DH.2, as well as the A-H color stuff by the late Dr. O'Conner. As far as books go, it depends. You can be certain that most Squadron Signal In Action's leave a *lot* to be desired. If there's a Datafile on the type that's covered by an In Action, you're better off with the Datafile. Most of the books that deal with a specific type of a/c is usually a good bet. For example, Alex Imrie's book on the Fokker Dr.I is a *must* if you're at all curious about this a/c. He's working on a book for the D.VII, but please don't hold your breath. The last I heard is that we'll be lucky if we see this before the millenium. If you can read German, than any book put out by the OeFH Nachrichten are great. They are an aviation orginization out of Austria, and their material is first rate. The problem is finding their stuff state-side. There was also a large book put out for the Oeffag series of Albatros D.II and D.III, entirely in German. There was also a book about A-H sea planes. Any book put out by Flying Machines Press is a good bet. So far, their specific aircraft titles have been A-H aircraft, as well as Imperial Russian. Their next tome (an accurate word, I have found) is on French a/c. If you're at all serious about these air forces, then do get them. However, be aware that they cost much more than any other. Worth every penny, though. I hope that clears up some. There are a lot of books I have not covered that I consider essential, such as the Bowers book on the Camel and H-P O/100, O/400 and O/1500. Your best bet is to email this list with a specific title, and get everybody's thoughts on that title. Good luck, and HTH. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 09:35:49 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Home Brewed Etchings Message-ID: The back pages of FSM usually has an ad from a company called Auto-Etch. For $2.00 they send you an info packet about their home photoetch system. The address is: Auto-Etch PO Box 12921-A Philadelphia PA 19108 Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 12:57:59 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Fokker D.VIII Kit Review Message-ID: <32FCCCB7.6FA0@ix.netcom.com> Bill Ciciora wrote: > > I just completed this kit yesterday, > > The kit consists of four injected sprues of light grey plastic, a clear > windshield, two frets of steel photoetch, decal sheet, and 300 mm of steel > wire. The attachment points for the pieces to the sprues are fairly thick, > and generally require some cleanup even when cut close to the piece. Wing > panel lines are nicely recessed. > > As this was my first kit with both PE and lozenge camo decals, I built it > pretty much straight out of the box. My purpose in building was more for > learning of techniques rather than a high accuracy contest piece. My only > reference was the kit instructions. > > Superdetailers will probably want to sand off the moulded-on stringers and > apply reverse lozenge decals to the fuselage interior. I simply painted > reverse camo with the decals as a reference, and painted the stringers > steel. The kit does not contain a pilot figure, so I purchased an Atlee > seated figure and cast a copy in resin. The Atlee figure includes the seat > and harness, so those kit parts became spares. Interior detail included > with the kit consists of seat, seat mounting frame, four harness belts, > control column, rudder bar, compass, throttle, ammo box, and machine gun > mounts with altimeter(?). With a pilot figure in the cockpit, only the > control column and altimeter are visible (though I did include all the > other detail for practice, except the rudder bar, which will not fit > properly with the Atlee figure). I added a bulkhead behind the cockpit. > > The kit instructions include some questionable assembly sequences, some of > which I unfortunately followed. Do not attach part MA11, the part of the > control column that extends out the bottom of the fuselage, until final > assembly. The instructions have it attached to the cockpit floor in step 1. > The fuselage gets handled too much during the rest of assembly, and I ended > up having to scratch the lost piece in plastic. > > In a curious choice of materials, the struts are all provided in PE. > However, the main V-cabane attaches so nicely that I hated to give it up > and scratch struts. I applied a bead of CA glue down each side of the > struts, and sanded to size. I'm happy with the results; the struts have > acceptable scale thickness. > > My initial dry fit of the decking showed no problems. However, with the > ammo box and gun mounts assembled, the decking would not fit snugly > despite repeated attempts at sanding it. In frustration I pressed it down > with considerable force, and it snapped into place. But the starbord side > has about a .2 mm gap with a snug port side. Getting this fit right may > involve a lot of testing and sanding. > > The kit instructions show a hole in the bottom of the horizontal stab for > control cable "through" the stab (kit instructions actually show this done > with two sections of wire. The hole is not actually molded into the stab, > and I missed this during assembly. With the stab securely glued to a nearly > finished machine, I had to try to drill a hole. The results were less than > satisfactory. > > I did like the fact that kit instructions show the length of each wire in > mm, and the accuracy is very good. I had only two wires come up short; > there is plenty of spare included in the kit. > > If you want a prop and engine that spin, you may have to (a) sand the > interior of the cowl, (b) sand the tops of a few cylinder heads a bit, (c) > replace the engine with an aftermarket part. > > The decals for the black stripes on the horizontal stab are sized wrong and > almost useless. I simply airbrushed the whole piece white, masked the white > stripes, and airbrushed the exposed areas black. I used the Eduard decals > as a reference. I cut the decal for the cowl into individual triangles and > achieved good results. Color police will probably want to use the > aftermarket lozenge of their choice; I've heard the kit lozenge bashed more > than once. (Editorial comment: it would be nice if the holder(s) of the > hermetically-sealed, sunlight-protected original lozenge fabric samples > would invite decal manufacturers in for a brief showing.) I used the kit > lozenge, and achieved good results with regard to fit and finish. I brush > painted the bare fuselage plastic with Future for a very smooth finish. > Only the bottom near the tail had minor wrinkles. > > I hope some list members find this information useful. > > Bill C. -- Just to add one comment to Bill's excellent review, be careful to look closely at the upper wing surface. There tends to be a sink line along the line of the stiffener inside the wing. This may be subtle enough that you don't notice it until after painting -- at which time you mutter a few choice phrases of basic Anglo-Saxon and do the furshluggener thing over. The line may be near invisible in the final product, but I found out the hard way that it shows up like a beacon in photos. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:49:56 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard News/Propaganda Message-ID: <32FB8764.6278@ne.infi.net> DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: > > Bob, > > Do you ever wonder if Eduard is out to get the vacuform manufacturers? They > seen to take aim at your subjects and those of others.... Eduard is not "out to get" anybody. They are just trying to make good quality models of interesting subjects. People outside the business seem to think that the manufacturers get together and politely agree not to duplicate each other's subjects. Frankly, this is a fantasy that a lot of modelers seem to have about the cottage industry. But this is business in a free marketplace, not 5-year central planning by a bunch of communist technocrats. Does Ford not make station wagons because Honda makes one? The fact is there are only so many popular subjects out there and there is bound to be duplication. I know one vacform manufacturer who is very bitter because the big companies have "stolen" his precious subjects, even though some of his kits are ten or twenty years old. I have no ill will towards any manufacturer who makes an injected kit that duplicates one of my subjects. For one thing, I have already made my money on that kit. For another, it's nice to see a complete injected kit of the subject. In any event, Vladimir of Eduard and I were both houseguests of a company president during the big Chicago show back in October. We talked about all kinds of things over the four days. The fact is, he and I both like the same airplanes! It's as simple as that. Bob Sierra Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 97 19:41:42 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Classic Planes Junkers J.10/CL.1 Message-ID: <9701088554.AA855459650@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone have this 'un? How's the corrugation detail? Any other companies kit this plane? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 97 19:31:11 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Got the Bristol M1C stuff Message-ID: <9701088554.AA855459640@mx.Ricochet.net> Scott, My pleasure, and duty, as list librarian. I'm gonna see if I can score the metal struts from Sopwith Hobbies. Since you offered, If you by chance have the Junkers D.1 Datafile, I'm looking for details of post-war Freikorps (or other) service... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Got the Bristol M1C stuff Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/8/97 12:42 AM Riordan Thanks for the Bristol M1C xeroxes! They came today just in time for me to get underway on my LSM kit. If you ever need anything from me, I'm at your service! I'd have sent this via personal e-mail, but I don't have your address. Anyway, the rest of the group ought to know what a great help you are! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 97 19:48:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Got the Bristol M1C stuff Message-ID: <9701088554.AA855459969@mx.Ricochet.net> Oh, uh- If you own the M1C Datafile, would you mind lending it to me when you're done building your model? I understand if you do mind, though. If not, I'll spring for the all the postage. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Got the Bristol M1C stuff Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 2/8/97 12:42 AM Riordan Thanks for the Bristol M1C xeroxes! They came today just in time for me to get underway on my LSM kit. If you ever need anything from me, I'm at your service! I'd have sent this via personal e-mail, but I don't have your address. Anyway, the rest of the group ought to know what a great help you are! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:12:48 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199702090412.XAA02222@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:53 AM 2/8/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:06:41 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) >writes: > >> I'm curious, which titles available these days are of most >> benefit to the modeler, while, on the other hand, which are of >> more interest to the WWI air war enthusiast. I think myself >> both, but to hear your opinions would be enlightening, and >> interesting. I must have missed this one when my server/computer was hating me. I join in Matt's suggestions. Here as some additional ones: The Camel File. Just aboutanything you wanted to know about each airplane produced...serial nos., some great photos and someline drawings. Albatros DVa. The Smithsonian puts this one out. It's a step by step walk through of the reconstruction of the DVa in the museum. Lots of close ups of the cockpit, etc. for all that nice detail work I can't do. High in the Empty Blue by Revel. Great history of 56 Squadron. Tons of SE5/a photos and a lot opf color plates. Air Aces of the A-H Empire by O"Connor. Short bios of all A-H aces, terrific color plates and lots of photos. Color Profiles of WWI Aircraft. I keep coming back to this one a lot. Covers most of the major airplanes, and has lots of nice color plates. The Jasta Pilots by Franks et al. This just came out, but it has color schemes for all the Jastas, and for that reason alone would be worth it. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:12:46 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Model photos in OTF Message-ID: <199702090412.XAA02221@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:22 AM 2/7/97 -0500, Peter Kilduff wrote: >In response to: > >>Peter >> I hope there is some coverage of the Washington meeting. There were >>some beautiful models there. >>Mike Muth > >Only "beautiful"? Mike, were we at the same meeting? The models I saw on >display were absolutely GORGEOUS miniature masterpieces! > >I don't know whether there is coverage, as I am "only" an issue editor these >days (having retired as managing editor and been succeeded by Jim Streckfuss). >The key to coverage, of course, is for "someone" to provide the photos and >write-up. So, if nothing shows (and you can check with Jim), then I'd suggest >you do a write-up. > >As previously noted, The League really WANTS to do more for/with >models/modelers, but we need people to "do" some of these articles. In my >own case, I'm so bogged down with all those German reports that my old bottle >of Solva-Set now serves only as a paperweight. Time for other folks to kick >in. How about you, Mike? If only I would have thought about it when I was in DC, Peter, I would have been more than willing. As it was, I took no photos and didn't go to the awards ceremony. I know there were people who were taking photos. It's a real rush to see someone take a photo og one of your models!(Especially my attempts...no medals awarded but it didn't matter. Some guys thought mine looked cool ;-)) Anyway. if nothing shows up. I'd be willing to try, but would obviously need help from someone who took photos and someone who had the results. I will try and remember for the next time! Mike ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 427 *********************