WWI Digest 418

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Tuesday, 30 January 1917, Raoenel, near St Just
	by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" <homanger@host.dmsc.net>
  2) Rotary Engine seams
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) Morane Saulnier badge
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  4) Calling lost members
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  5) Re: Rotary Engine seams
	by "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
  6) Re: Red Baron
	by "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@wsii.com>
  7) Re: Red Baron
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
  8) Re: Red Baron
	by "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
  9) Flying Corps
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 10) Re: Flying Corps
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.net>
 11) Re: Red Baron
	by Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
 12) Re: Re[2]: Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website
	by "S.M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
 13) Re: Sopwith Pup
	by "S.M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
 14) Re: Sopwith Pup
	by "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
 15) Re: Sopwith Pup
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:52:45 -0800
From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" <homanger@host.dmsc.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Tuesday, 30 January 1917, Raoenel, near St Just
Message-ID: <32F10A1D.12F0@host.dmsc.net>

Snowed nearly all day which prevented us from flying. We all set to work 
to try to complete the living room of our barrack, making it cold-proof 
and comfortable. We're putting an inner wall of boards covered with huge 
strips of light brown corrigated cardboard with the smooth surface to 
view. I've agreed to decorate the cardboard with scenes of aerial combats 
between French and German machines etc. We'll have quite an attractive 
dining and living room. Our bed rooms are still unfinished but we were 
able to eat our first meal in the dining room this noon and it was a 
royal feast indeed. It has blown up quite cold and clear this evening. 
Perhaps we'll have clear weather tomorrow and be able to fly. Finished my 
letter to Genet Bloodgood this evening and am turning in early.

from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:28:47 +1100
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: Rotary Engine seams
Message-ID: <01BC0F48.662E3EE0@pc087b.mim.com.au>

GDay all,

Having spent the last few nights laboriously removing the moulding seams 
from around the cylinders of a metal rotary I've finally decided - "There 
MUST be an easier way"   >:-|

I reckon that I've tried about a zillion ways to make this quicker and 
easier but it always seems to amount to the same thing - a load of boring 
work.

Anyone got a favourite method I maightn't have heard of?

All suggestions, even ones I've tried - welcome.

Shane


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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:37:23 +1100
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: Morane Saulnier badge
Message-ID: <01BC0F49.9A055040@pc087b.mim.com.au>

Hi all,
	(Tom, Greg, Scott, other Texans etc :  Hi y'all)

I have a colour question - one to which I don't expect to get a clear 
unequivocal answer. (usual case !!)

I have just fixed the Morane Saulnier badge to the cowl of the Eduard MS-L. 
 A nice little etching which will be dead easy to paint perfectly (with the 
help of a sheet of 1200 grit)

BUT, I don't know what colour the backing plate should be.

In photos in the datafiles for the L and N it sometimes appears as if the 
badge is polished brass on a rough, dull cast brass plate.  In other photos 
the backing plate looks painted black, in yet others it seems painted a 
dark colour, not as dark on the ortho film as black appears.

I wonder if the dark (but not black) is actually red?  Or is this just me 
looking hopefully for a spot of colour?

Does anyone have any idea what colour the MS logo was?  Or what colours the 
cowl badges were?

Regards

Shane



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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 07:41:14 +1100
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: Calling lost members
Message-ID: <01BC0F4A.238449C0@pc087b.mim.com.au>

Hi,

 I got caught out talking about WW2 on rec.models.scale yesterday by Bill 
Bacon (of this list).  Bill was using his wifes computer and tells me that 
he's off line until *his* gets a new motherboard.

Just in case anyone is trying to reach him !

Shane


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 14:54:50 PST
From: "Shelley Goodwin" <mgoodwin@Ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Rotary Engine seams
Message-ID: <9700308546.AA854665470@mx.Ricochet.net>

     How about a #11 blade between the cooling fins followed by 350 (or 
     finer) CA stiffened sandpaper?
     
     Riordan


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Subject: Rotary Engine seams
Author:  wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet
Date:    1/30/97 1:42 PM


GDay all,
     
Having spent the last few nights laboriously removing the moulding seams 
from around the cylinders of a metal rotary I've finally decided - "There 
MUST be an easier way"   >:-|
     
I reckon that I've tried about a zillion ways to make this quicker and 
easier but it always seems to amount to the same thing - a load of boring 
work.
     
Anyone got a favourite method I maightn't have heard of?
     
All suggestions, even ones I've tried - welcome.
     
Shane
     


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:58:11 -0500
From: "Gerald P. McOsker" <amadon@wsii.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron
Message-ID: <32F13593.DCD@wsii.com>

Geentlemen- Check out this URL
http://www.papy.com/entertainment/rb2/-Red Baron is coming out at the
end of April for Windoze macninen. 40 planes to fly- addition of French
and Yank air services. Bitte?

Also check out the new came "Flying Corps" I have this- graphics are not
so bad- I'm not up to evaluating it until I cafly a circuit with my Alb
DIII.
Wieder
Gerry

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:00:32 -0500
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron
Message-ID: <32F14430.43F3@conted.gatech.edu>

Gerry,
	I too have Flying Corps and will be interested to hear your reaction.
In the meantime, I can post some quick comments on the game if anyone's
interested; for now I'll just say that I'm still eagerly awaiting Red
Baron 2 (love that first screenshot!).
						Carlos

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:28:58 +0800 (GMT+0800)
From: "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Red Baron
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970131092820.8974A-100000@pusit.admu.edu.ph>


On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Carlos Valdes wrote:

> Gerry,
> 	I too have Flying Corps and will be interested to hear your reaction.
> In the meantime, I can post some quick comments on the game if anyone's
> interested;

Please do.


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 21:04:40 -0500
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Flying Corps
Message-ID: <32F15338.7A71@conted.gatech.edu>

Flying Corps is from the same folks who brought us the disappointing
Dawn Patrol. The good news about the new game is that there has clearly
been an attempt to improve on the earlier one. The bad news is that FC
is also disappointing.
	Which is not to suggest that there's nothing good here. The four
campaigns at the heart of the game (and I've only just dipped into
these)offer an interesting context for computer pilots looking for
adventure, even if the French are once again excluded, and the graphics
in both the air and ground are quite beautiful. 
	Unfortunately, it's hard to appreciate the latter in a game lacking
both an object gallery and a VCR function! (And I've yet to be able to
capture a screenshot successfully.) And while the flight models are much
improved and quite demanding when the realism options are turned up all
the way, it's rather surprising to find that gun jams are totally absent
from this simulation. The bizzare view controls of Dawn Patrol have been
simplified a bit, put the new padlock view is unfortunately more
disorienting; simple views like those found in Red baron would be most
welcome here.
	There are only six airplanes available for one to fly fly--Camel and
SE, Ni 28 and Spad XIII, Dr.I and Alb D.III--and just eight "Scramble"
missions for those looking for instant action. What's really limiting
about these is that they cannot be altered in any way: every time one
flies them in a given plane, it appears he will be faced with the exact
same situation. Even as the training missions that they are clearly
meant to be, their value will wear thin after a while (what a difference
from Red Baron!). The manual also could be more complete, e.g. with
regard to multi-button joysticks.
	Head-to-head play will be available to those who run the game in Win95
mode, but this feature is not available in this first release! This may
ultimately be the best way to enjoy this game while waiting for Red
Baron 2.
						Carlos

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:12:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Flying Corps
Message-ID: <199701310312.XAA25684@fw.true.net>

At 09:15 PM 30-01-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Flying Corps is from the same folks who brought us the disappointing
>Dawn Patrol. The good news about the new game is that there has clearly
>been an attempt to improve on the earlier one. The bad news is that FC
>is also disappointing.


>I also just got F C and I agree completely with your comments,
on the other hand, as you say, it will help to keep the vigil till 
RB II arrives, and I certainly hope it's up to our expectations

SALUDOS

ALBERTO 


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:29:00 -0500
From: Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron
Message-ID: <32F166FC.3301@fast.net>


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Gerald P. McOsker wrote:
>
> Geentlemen- Check out this URL
> http://www.papy.com/entertainment/rb2/-Red Baron is coming out

Actually its     http://www.papy.com/entertainment/rb2

Late April is a verrrry optimistic date... I cant say anything more
without compromising my NDA agreement.
>
> Also check out the new came "Flying Corps" I have this- graphics are
not
> so bad-

Check this out at    http:// www.empire-us.com


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<DT>Gerald P. McOsker wrote:<BR>
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&gt; Geentlemen- Check out this URL<BR>
&gt; http://www.papy.com/entertainment/rb2/-Red Baron is coming out&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Actually its&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; http://www.papy.com/entertainment/rb2</DT>

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<DT>Late April is a verrrry optimistic date... I cant say anything more</DT>

<DT>without compromising my NDA agreement.<BR>
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&gt; Also check out the new came &quot;Flying Corps&quot; I have this-
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<DT>Check this out at&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; http:// www.empire-us.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:24:45 -0500
From: "S.M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website
Message-ID:  <9701310005.aa10168@mail.iapc.net>

Riordian wrote:

>Scott,
>
>Thanks for the 'heads up' on the website. I'll have the Profile in the mail
>tomorrow. My wife has been kind enough to scan the color plates and we'll
>attempt to send 'em to you. At what e-mail address would you like them
>delivered?

Excellent! I'd love to have them! Please send them to <smh@iapc.net>, and
I'll create the image gallery I had tallked about in the "Offer to Group"
thread. I scanned the US Navy Hanriot HD-1 Illustrations that were
discussed yesturday, so the M1C won't be alone. Tomorrow I hope to scan a
Pup, some of the NASM's Halb.C.IV, and a few others if you are interested.
Thanks!

Cheers!


Scott

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:24:46 -0500
From: "S.M. Head" <smh@iapc.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup
Message-ID:  <9701310011.aa10256@mail.iapc.net>

Pedro Soares Asked:
>
>One of the items I scratchbuilt was a new seat since the kit's part seemed
>to be very thick and I now have the following doubt: I have the impression
>that some of the early seats had their backs done in some sort of
>perfurated metal sheet. Am I right, here? And if so had the Pup's seat also
>a perfurated or a non-perfurated back?

HI!

Yes indeed many WWI aircraft seats had perforated backs. Also extremely
common was a wicker seat back, like a basket. I'm not sure if the Pup had a
wicker seat, but someone ought to have the Datafile close by. Any help
guys?

Cheers!

Scott

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:38:13 +0800 (GMT+0800)
From: "Valenciano . Jose" <joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970131153703.17516A-100000@pusit.admu.edu.ph>


On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, S.M. Head wrote:

> Pedro Soares Asked:
> >
> >One of the items I scratchbuilt was a new seat since the kit's part seemed
> >to be very thick and I now have the following doubt: I have the impression
> >that some of the early seats had their backs done in some sort of
> >perfurated metal sheet. Am I right, here? And if so had the Pup's seat also
> >a perfurated or a non-perfurated back?
> 
> HI!
> 
> Yes indeed many WWI aircraft seats had perforated backs. Also extremely
> common was a wicker seat back, like a basket. I'm not sure if the Pup had a
> wicker seat, but someone ought to have the Datafile close by. Any help
> guys?

I have the Datafile, I'll check, but you'll probably get the reply as late
as Monday.


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:51:24 -0800
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup
Message-ID: <199701310751.AA17978@ednet1.orednet.org>



Scott wrote:

>Yes indeed many WWI aircraft seats had perforated backs. Also extremely
>common was a wicker seat back, like a basket. I'm not sure if the Pup had a
>wicker seat, but someone ought to have the Datafile close by. Any help
>guys?

Well, at least one reference I've got shows a plain sheet metal seat for
the Pup but a wicker seat for the Camel.  Yet, I'm not sure this
was necessarily a "standard" item.  I can well imagine Sopwith ordering
seats of different types from several different subcontractors and
just installing 'em as the shipments arrived.  After all, as long as
the bolt holes line up, a seat is pretty much a seat and wicker, metal,
or perforated metal doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

And, of course, not all Sopwith aircraft were built by Sopwith
Aviation.  I think, for instance, that at least 8 or 9 other
companies built the Camel under license - which would introduce
an additional potential source of variation in the types of 
seats actually used.

Just a thought.

Cheers, 

--
                    - Bill Shatzer   bshatzer@orednet.org -
 "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to 
 old ladies."

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