WWI Digest 417 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires by "Shelley Goodwin" 2) Re[2]: Lone Star Bristol M.1C by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) Re: Thanks. by "Shelley Goodwin" 4) Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 5) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 6) Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires by "Valenciano . Jose" 7) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by "Rob " 8) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by "Rob " 9) Re: A question from over here by "Bill Ciciora" 10) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by "S.M. Head" 11) Re:Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website by "S.M. Head" 12) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by Ray Boorman 14) Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 15) Re[2]: Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website by "Shelley Goodwin" 16) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by "S.M. Head" 17) Warped Fuselages. by Ray Boorman 18) Re: Warped Fuselages. by "Valenciano . Jose" 19) Early Aircraft in Japan by "Robert Woodbury" 20) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Sopwith Pup by "Pedro Soares" 22) Re: Warped Fuselages. by "Brian Bushe" 23) Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires by Sandy Adam ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:12:28 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires Message-ID: <9700298545.AA854561587@mx.Ricochet.net> Sandy, I've been contemplating a strut solution similar to yours for the Lone Star Bristol. Do you have a 'favorite' gauge of wire for 1/48, or does it vary by 'plane? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Struts & Double Flying Wires Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/29/97 2:15 AM I posted an epistle a little time back on using plastic coated paper clips as a source for carving struts and this worked well on two models, but being of an enquiring nature I delved further and came up with results which I find very satisfactory and am happy to share with the list. Where possible, I now build my interplane and undercarriage struts from brass rod encased in styrene tube and carved to shape. I can only vouch for 1/48 scale where the supply of materials of an appropriate diameter are plentiful but some 1/72 soul may wish to check out if it works for them too. The significant measurements are the internal bore of the styrene tube and the external diameter of the brass rod. Visits to model railway shops here has yielded a number of different products that fit the bill. First stage is to select brass rod and mark where bends are required for "V" or "N" struts and cut plastic tube sleeves of an appropriate length for the main body of strut. Slide these into position and run thin CA adhesive down insides of sleeves to set. In some simple shapes the brass can be fully bent before adding sleeves, in complicated shapes you need to get the sleeves on before final forming. Then sand down the composite to the correct section, which probably means that the brass will show through at the sides but retain plastic "leggings" at front and rear. Note that the strut anchor points are clear of the "leggings" and give very realistic attachments. These can be left fairly long and inserted into drilled holes in the fuselage to give a very rigid structure. This has a terrific advantage when handling the model for painting etc during construction as you can now hold by sturdy i/p and u/c struts as much as you want - finish everything up to top wing application and then paint struts at the penultimate stage. Also you can fit the drilled top wing as often as you wish before gluing on, to measure and bend radiator pipes and aileron cranks etc. I have only done single bay planes so far and in each case the structure is very strong, allowing simple Contrail stock to be used for outerplane struts. The Tom's Sopwith Strutter I am currently working on will have encased outers, but this will satisfy a second purpose as well as strength. Double Flying Wires. I threw together an old Aurora kit from the spares box and tried fitting double wires as a testbed. With the rigidity mentioned above, it is simply a matter of looping round the brass rod anchor points and pulling tight before applying some CA - voila perfect parallel RAF wires. I have now fitted the Strutter undercarriage and drilled holes through wing for double wires and test fitted the monofilament thread. For the first time, I actually look forward to fitting these double wires. I haven't started my Sierra AEG GIV as yet and probably won't for some time, but I already have thoughts about including two substantial lengths of brass rod as main lower wing spars from the fuselage joint out to the struts or engine bearers before emerging through wing and sleeving in rod. Anyway thats for the future. I hope this may be of some use or at least thought-provoking for others. If you have been - thanks for reading. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:16:05 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lone Star Bristol M.1C Message-ID: <9700298545.AA854561597@mx.Ricochet.net> Ordered it from Sopwith Hobbies for 19.95, so I don't know how long they've had it...Does the later one cost more and have the correct engine? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Lone Star Bristol M.1C Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/28/97 9:07 PM > A few comments on the Bristol M.1C monoplane I received from Sopwith > Hobbies: > > A few errors are worth mentioning, most serious among these being the > wing shapes and the engine. The wings lack molded root cut-outs and > are a little to rounded and broad of chord and the empennage is a > little off. The rib detail and wire fairings are somewhat 'fat' and > overstated (especially on the undersides), but the plastic is > commendably thick and this might be remedied with a bit of sanding > and/or remedial detailing. The engine supplied is presumably a Clerget > 9Z, which was installed in the M.1A prototype but not the 110 LeRhone > that was used in the production M.1C. Fortunately, I've a suitable > LeRhone in the engine bank. > A major (perhaps minor to most of you) annoyance is that this kit > lacks the nice metal struttage that I observed in a presumably > indentical one that I rummaged through at the local robbery shop. So > apparently these have been discontinued. > Still getting used to the price, although its not bad for a > balloon-scale kit. > > Riordan You must have recieved an older issue, as the newest ones have metal struttage and interior goodies. Did you order direct or possibly buy it off the shelf from someone? Then again, LSM's kits are sometimes a "pay your money- take your chances" kind of deal. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 10:02:32 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks. Message-ID: <9700298545.AA854561626@mx.Ricochet.net> Jeff, The Hobbycraft Nieuport 'International' is one of my 'in progress' projects. I think it is the best Hobbycraft WWI model that is out now, and a great deal at around $15 and Ive seen 'em at Longs for less than $10. Windsock did an upgrade article on it, but it's really nice right outta the box. The blue on the Russian Cockades is a little light and the cockpit detail is simple, but other than that, can't complain. One thing you need to know is that the fuselage, if not reduced in width before assembly is *too wide* for the engine cowl, so do plenty of sanding and dry-fitting. Stay away from the Hobbycraft Camel! Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Thanks. Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/28/97 9:33 PM Thanks for the warm welcome. I've noticed that the discussion is focused around plastic models but I was wondering if other model types are fare for discussion as well? One of my fondest memories was of scratch-building a 1/4 scale Fokker Dr.I from the original plans as part of a class project when I was in the 9th grade. My Junior-high was fortunate enough to have a master builder as an art teacher and he taught the two most popular classes in the school: Aviation-Aerospace, and Space and Rocketry. A select group of students got to participate in the construction of various scale models, including a Wright flyer, a Lillienthal glider, the Spirit of St. Louis, and, of course, the Dr.I I was fortunate enough to work on. All of the planes that the classes had built over the years have been variously displayed around the country. (BTW, has anyone here ever heard of a Mr. Kaldahl who used to teach at Nicollet Jr. High in Burnsville Minnesota ca. 1979-1982?)) As I plan on buying a house within the next year and will finally have enough room to have a "real" workshop, I'm seriously pondering taking on another project similar to the triplane. That being the case, does anybody know if the Smithsonian still sells full-size copies of original aircraft plans? In particular I'm looking for plans for the Nieuport 17, Albatros D.III, or the Sopwith Camel. (I'd *really* like to do the D.III) If discussion of these kinds of models is frowned upon, then I apologize and will refrain from bringing it up again. That's alright though because I like plastic models just as well. :) One more question, has anyone had any experience with Hobby Craft models? I just saw a 1/32 "international" Nieuport 17 with Russian and Estonian markings and was thinking of picking it up. What do you think? -Jeff +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Jeff Heinen | "Neccessitas non habet legem." | | jheinen@mcl.ucsb.edu | -St. Augustine | | http://www.calpoly.edu/~jheinen | | |=================================+===================================| | Department of History | Senior Consultant | | University of California | Microcomputer Lab | | Santa Barbara | UCSB | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:44:48 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <9700298545.AA854561617@mx.Ricochet.net> Gerry, Although I don't subscribe to the magazine it seems to me that the off-topic articles are infrequent, and they are of genuine interest to some of us. I think Rimell would have less of a magazine if he narrowed his editorial policy to exclude military aviation during the unofficial continuation of the Great War. Besides, early Soviet and Polish aircraft are topical and perhaps more popular than you think. Respectfully, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/29/97 5:09 AM Alberto Rada commented on the latest Windsock which was chock full of non WWI air stuff- > >I think this list will have to come forward with a new publication I tend to agree. I cannot understand why Dr. Rimmell insists on the non WWI items. Interesting to those who are interested- I personally am not. I still havn't sent the $127. subscription fee or 1997 and perhaps I won't. Windosck is at it's best in reviewing kits and providing modelling tips. I'd hate to see it go for there really is nothing else out there except this list that adresses the area of WWI aircraft modelling. Has anyone complained to Ray? I'm in a personal service business and if my clients are not happy I will not eat. I thusly try my best to keep them happy. But then again- are my complaints those of an insignificant minority and should I just overlook Red Nieuports and Polish Brisfits? Cheers- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 12:17:26 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <9700298545.AA854569507@mx.Ricochet.net> Does Albatros sell single issues, and if so, how much $US and how long would it take to get to the States? The local robbery shop which carries it has driven me to distraction (so that I'll go there only to examine things and spend as little $ as possible), but I could really use the off-topic articles from the new issue for my web page. How 'bout domestic mail order? TIA, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Windsock 1997-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/27/97 4:58 PM Gentlemen, I just received 1997s first issue of Windsock, here are some highlights and comments: Americal/Gryphon Decals advertise sets for JGII in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/28 Copper State Models of Phoenix, Arizona promise kits and detail sets,=20 any of our US listmembers familiar with this company? Archive has two pages of pictures showing Norwegian Sopwith Babys. Can someone confirm that correct plural form is Babies or Babys, since Baby is a name should it keep the `y` or have the usual =ECes` at end? They list me as a source of the profile on the Sopwith Baby in Norwegian service,=20 if someone is to order it, please be patient because I am to start on a work-period offshore in a few days and will be unable to answer mail for approximate four weeks. Jack Bruce concludes his articles on the FK22 Bantam There is a fine article on German aircraft that went to Italy after the armstice. Another good one is by Alexandrov and Woodman on Russian Naval aviation in= the=20 Black Sea in 1919 and the use of German and A-H aircraft in that area. Toward the end there are 7 pages of reviews (among them the elusive Skybirds`86 kits) Finishing off with a few pages on Polish use of Ansalado A-1 fighters. This is a pleasant surprise, after a number of issues with little of interest to me,=20 I like this one. Even if the pure WW1 content is almost non-existant if you don`t include the reviews, there are plenty of interesting articles on the fringes. They also advertise their new Datafile on the Hansa Brandenburg W.12 at GBP8 + p&p as well as the larger and more expensive one on Halberstadt fighters. Best Regards Knut Erik =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 07:11:37 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Sandy Adam wrote: > I posted an epistle a little time back on using plastic coated paper clips > as a source for carving struts and this worked well on two models, but > being of an enquiring nature I delved further and came up with results > which I find very satisfactory and am happy to share with the list. (snip) Thank you very much, two more methods to add to our repertoire of techniques. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:06:44 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <199701300410.XAA05445@cliff.cris.com> Gerry and Alberto complain of the "non-WW1" content in Windsock. This is, in my view, one of its strengths. Red, Polish, German, Latvian, White Russian, Ukrainian, French, Czech, British, Japanese, Greek, Hungarian, and Finnish airplanes were fighting in the East before, during and after November 1918. So what makes this until recently little-known area "non-WW1"? Raymond Collishaw and his comrades seem to have viewed it as part of the big one, if Last Train Over Rostov Bridge is any indication. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:06:44 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701300410.XAA05487@cliff.cris.com> Tom writes: > The USN also experimented with catapult-launched Camels. To quote Jack Bruce in > Profile Publications #31: The Sopwith Camel: > > "After the war the U.S. Navy had at least six Camels, two of which were allocated > to the U.S.S. Texas, another to U.S.S. Arkansas. They were flown from shipboard > platforms and were fitted with jettisonable wheels and Grain flotation gear." I wonder if the float-equipped Pup referred to in an earlier posting appears in a photo or if it is a misunderstanding. These Camels were not, I believe, either catapult-launched or float-equipped. They were flown off sloping mini-flight decks built over the turrets, with or without wind over the deck (remember, most WW1 fighters were true STOL!). The Grain flotation gear was a set of inflatable bags that would keep the plane afloat after a ditching, rather like the flotation gear carried on some modern light helicopters. It usually went with a hydrofoil ahead of the landing gear--essential if the plane was to be kept from somersaulting. I don't know about pups, but Hanriot HD1s and Ni 28s were launched this way by the USN. A float-equipped Pup seems less likely. What advantage would it have over the Baby, which was tested and perhaps used by US forces? I have seen a float-equipped Thomas-MorseS4 in Navy service (alongside a Baby), and largish numbers of float-equipped Hanriot HD.2s were used by the USN operationally off Dunkerque. Perhaps the Hanriot has been mistaken for the Pup? Hanriot's were often identified as Sopwiths by German and Austrian aviators over Italy. The US modified their fins and rudders in various ways and later replaced the floats with a wheel-landing gear. A future Chandelle will have some profiles of these USN Hanriot's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:18:49 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: A question from over here Message-ID: Carlos wrote: > Its caption identifies the D.VII as 365/17, > "sometimes flown by Jacobs and carrying his markings." I assume they meant 365/18; I don't think any D.VIIs were built in 1917. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:33:14 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <9701292316.aa22662@mail.iapc.net> Tom wrote: >The USN also experimented with catapult-launched Camels. To quote Jack Bruce >in >Profile Publications #31: The Sopwith Camel: > >"After the war the U.S. Navy had at least six Camels, two of which were >allocated >to the U.S.S. Texas, another to U.S.S. Arkansas. They were flown from >shipboard >platforms and were fitted with jettisonable wheels and Grain flotation gear." > >FWIW. Hi Tom! Thanks for the additional info! To further the thread and add another aircraft type: I just found it! The illustration I had seen and was convinced that it was a Pup has turned up to prove me wrong! It's a Hanriot HD-1, and alas, the one from USS Texas had no floats. There are two others depicted on the page taht do indeed have floats- I guess thats where I got the float idea. There's also an illustration of a US Navy Donnet-Denhaut DD-8, fwiw. I saw these in an article titled "Dunkirk, 1918; The United State's Navy's First fighter Squadron" (it's a short one) in Volume 14, Number 2 (Winter, 1978) of the IPMS/USA Journal. It was written by Clay Boyd and illustrated by Mark and Matt Waki. Anyone know these folks? Thanks! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:51:56 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re:Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website Message-ID: <9701292344.aa23064@mail.iapc.net> > >Ordered it from Sopwith Hobbies for 19.95, so I don't know how long they've >had >it...Does the later one cost more and have the correct engine? > >Riordan Hi there! I got mine as a freebie in exchange for running an ad on my website, so I don't know what he's charging. Try his website (just opened this week) which lists all of his kits-- www.lonestarmodels.com (I think!) About the engine, looks like the same as the old release, but gosh!--now I have to go look at my references! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:49:44 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <199701300449.AA08238@ednet1.orednet.org> Gerry wrote: >I tend to agree. I cannot understand why Dr. Rimmell insists on the non WWI >items. Interesting to those who are interested- I personally am not. I >still havn't sent the $127. subscription fee or 1997 and perhaps I won't. >Windosck is at it's best in reviewing kits and providing modelling tips. >I'd hate to see it go for there really is nothing else out there except >this list that adresses the area of WWI aircraft modelling. Has anyone >complained to Ray? I'm in a personal service business and if my clients are >not happy I will not eat. I thusly try my best to keep them happy. But then >again- are my complaints those of an insignificant minority and should I >just overlook Red Nieuports and Polish Brisfits? Ya' have to remember that the contents of specialty publications like Windsock is governed more by the material available than the wishes of its readers. The world is not exactly awash with WW1 aviation photos of publishable quality nor with folks who can research and write publication quality WW1 aviation articles. Ask Peter Kilduff and the folks at "Over the Front" who are constantly begging for articles - and they'll take an article on ANY WW1-aviation related subject, not just ones with modeling applications. So, to a large degree, the articles in Windsock are controlled by the photos available and the articles submitted. If Ray doesn't get the WW1 photos and articles submitted to him, he's pretty much gotta go with what he does have. And if that means Lithuanian Camels, you're gonna get Lithuanian Camels. But, I'm sure Ray (or Peter, for that matter) would LOVE to receive an original article detailing, for instance, the markings of all the Bavarian Jastas or of the Felixstowe flying boats or the squadron history of any of the AEF Caproni squadrons or - well, you name it. It's just that if nobody is doing the articles, nobody can publish 'em. I'm as guilty as any - I sit back and suck up the information offered by Ray and Peter and Alex Imrie and the like (none of which, incidently, is getting rich writing about WW1) and never get off my behind and actually start serious work on any of the half dozen articles I've thought about over the years - to this point, the fruits of my labors are a rather disorganized drawer full of 3 by 5 cards. But someday.... But, the way to get more and better WW1 aviation modeling articles published is to get more and better WW1 aviation modeling articles written. Both Over the Front and Windsock would eagerly accept and publish just about _any_ competently researched and written article. Ya' just gotta have someone actually DO the article. You, perhaps? Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:17:48 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <32F02EFC.2C69@lynx.bc.ca> I seem to remember that Rosemont carries these. (Probably need to phone first.) Also Wise Owl advertise that they have All the Albatross publications, including Windsock International. The adress is Wise Owl Worldwide Publications, Dept WS 4314 West 238th st, Torrance, CA 90505 Phone 310-375-6258. However I seem to remember Wise Owl were fairly pricey. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lync.bc.ca) Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Does Albatros sell single issues, and if so, how much $US and how long would it > take to get to the States? The local robbery shop which carries it has driven me > to distraction (so that I'll go there only to examine things and spend as little > $ as possible), but I could really use the off-topic articles from the new issue > for my web page. > How 'bout domestic mail order? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 21:03:57 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <9700298546.AA854601610@mx.Ricochet.net> BRAVO! Couldn't 've put it better meself, Gromit. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/29/97 8:17 PM Gerry and Alberto complain of the "non-WW1" content in Windsock. This is, in my view, one of its strengths. Red, Polish, German, Latvian, White Russian, Ukrainian, French, Czech, British, Japanese, Greek, Hungarian, and Finnish airplanes were fighting in the East before, during and after November 1918. So what makes this until recently little-known area "non-WW1"? Raymond Collishaw and his comrades seem to have viewed it as part of the big one, if Last Train Over Rostov Bridge is any indication. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 21:12:32 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website Message-ID: <9700298546.AA854601620@mx.Ricochet.net> Scott, Thanks for the 'heads up' on the website. I'll have the Profile in the mail tomorrow. My wife has been kind enough to scan the color plates and we'll attempt to send 'em to you. At what e-mail address would you like them delivered? BTW, on comparison to a wing template from the Datafile plans, the Lone Star M.1's wing looks to be about 6-8mm too wide and the wire fairings are about twice the size they should be (at least they're placed correctly)...not that these flaws will stop me. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re:Lone Star M.1C/ LSM new website Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/29/97 8:51 PM > >Ordered it from Sopwith Hobbies for 19.95, so I don't know how long they've >had >it...Does the later one cost more and have the correct engine? > >Riordan Hi there! I got mine as a freebie in exchange for running an ad on my website, so I don't know what he's charging. Try his website (just opened this week) which lists all of his kits-- www.lonestarmodels.com (I think!) About the engine, looks like the same as the old release, but gosh!--now I have to go look at my references! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:29:24 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <9701300007.aa23417@mail.iapc.net> Perhaps the Hanriot has been mistaken >for the Pup? Hanriot's were often identified as Sopwiths by German >and Austrian aviators over Italy. And by me! I hope you saw my latest post in this thread, I just sent it off before reading this! Thanks! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:32:46 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Warped Fuselages. Message-ID: <32F0327E.5626@lynx.bc.ca> I must be doing something real dumb. When I have needed to straighten a warped wing I have always tied it to a flat peice of wood and suspended it in hot water for a minute and then in cold and voila straightened wing. However this does not work too well on hollow objects like fuselages. The end result is a splayed fuse. As in the distance between the top edge and bottom is larger and the fuselage deforms. The fuse isn't warped anymore though!-) Does anyone have any ideas on an alternate method. I could straighten it by bending but this normally bounces back. Whereas the hot then cold water trick always works on wings! Thanks in advance Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:13:50 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Warped Fuselages. Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Ray Boorman wrote: > I must be doing something real dumb. When I have needed to straighten a > warped wing I have always tied it to a flat peice of wood and suspended > it in hot water for a minute and then in cold and voila straightened > wing. > > However this does not work too well on hollow objects like fuselages. > The end result is a splayed fuse. As in the distance between the top > edge and bottom is larger and the fuselage deforms. How about working with a hair drier? direct the air at the center of the fuselage (along the thrustline), and bend a little when you feel the fuselage wall start to "give". You could work on both fuselage sides, splaying the top and bottom edges of the smaller one, and squeezing the other larger fuselage side. If this sort of work deforms the fuselage, this means that the two sides weren't of matched dimensions to start with. I'd slice/saw the larger one along the thrust line and reglue it, this should reduce it's height. OR, slice the smaller fuse and add a sliver of plastic between the two sliced parts. Either way, it really is a good example of major surgery on the kit. Good luck and tell us how you went. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:31:20 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: Early Aircraft in Japan Message-ID: <199701300731.PAA10420@cronus.per.dwr.csiro.au> Hello All, Whilst looking for something else I stumbled on to this site in Japan with photos of early aircraft in use in Japan. Some good photos there and worth a look. http://www.mainichi.co.jp/photogallery/airplane/plane-e/01.html Cheers, Rob Woodbury ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 03:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <970129232115_914794790@emout13.mail.aol.com> The non WWI use of WWI aircraft is part of the story and valuable to modelers. Thumbs up! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:49:10 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701301055.KAA00662@wallana> Hi guys, While waiting for Matt's plans to arrive I've been doing some preliminary work on my Pup, like sanding away all the molded "fabric" impressions (that was a pretty boring chore) and some cokpit details scratchbuilding, based on a nice Pup cockpit diagram I found in a book called "In the cockpit" (really nice book BTW). One of the items I scratchbuilt was a new seat since the kit's part seemed to be very thick and I now have the following doubt: I have the impression that some of the early seats had their backs done in some sort of perfurated metal sheet. Am I right, here? And if so had the Pup's seat also a perfurated or a non-perfurated back? TIA Pedro Soares pedro.soares@anaep.pt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:08:18 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Warped Fuselages. Message-ID: <199701301420.OAA29320@itl.net> re: Warped Fuselages. > However this does not work too well on hollow objects like fuselages. > The end result is a splayed fuse. As in the distance between the top > edge and bottom is larger and the fuselage deforms. The fuse isn't > warped anymore though!-) Does anyone have any ideas on an alternate > method. I could straighten it by bending but this normally bounces back. > Whereas the hot then cold water trick always works on wings! How flexible is the fuselage. Is it possible to dry fit the fuselage, tie them together and then do the hot/cold water bit. Otherwise you could pack the fuselage to stop it flattening when you tie it to the support. Brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:29:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires Message-ID: > On u/c struts and other V like or U like fixtures how do you keep the > styrene from snapping or does it? Is it a matter of fit between the brass > rod and the styrene tube that keeps the plastic from cracking? > Joe Gentile Hi Joe, I was probably over-obtuse so I'll describe the process a bit more clearly. 1. You choose brass rod of a diameter equal or less than the front elevation of the strut - ie the head-on width of the strut. 2. You then choose styrene rod - Contrail or Riko or whatever - with the same internal diameter - ie a fairly tight fit - and with an external diameter as large as the side elevation of the strut. 3. For a "V" strut you would bend the brass wire over the plan until it was the right shape allowing an extra 5mm or so at each end for inserting into pre-drilled holes in the fuselage. 4. Then measure the plastic tube over plan and cut two lengths to match the leg lengths of the exposed V strut. 5. Slip them over the brass rod and run high-viscosity CA down between the plastic and brass and allow to set. 6. Sand to correct section and elevation. 7. Drill fuselage attachment holes and glue in place. For "N" (or "W") struts as on the Sierra Pho"nix DII just completed, I allowed quite a lot of wire in the bends and attached to fuselage before snipping off the excess in the wing attachment point bend and applying more CA. Then I held the model by these extremities for most of the rest of construction, masking, spraying etc. For the Strutter I am bending "W" interplanes front and rear and expect great strength again. As to specific sizes, Riordan, I confess that I tend to buy two or three bits of what looks right in the railway shop and then match them up by trial and error against the plans. I'm not sure what guages I've used so far, but probably the two or three smallest diameter brass rods, maybe about 1mm? Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 417 *********************