WWI Digest 416 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) WWI landscape by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 2) WWI HO figures by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) WWI HO figures by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 4) Model RR Scales by "Leonard Endy" 5) Re: Model RR Scales by Jeffrey Heinen 6) Re: Model RR Scales by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re: Model RR Scales by "Valenciano . Jose" 8) Re: Model RR Scales by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 9) A question from over here. by "Valenciano . Jose" 10) Re: A question from over here. by Carlos Valdes 11) Re: A question from over here. by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: Lone Star Bristol M.1C by "S.M. Head" 13) Thanks. by Jeffrey Heinen 14) Struts & Double Flying Wires by Sandy Adam 15) Re: WWI landscape by GRBroman@aol.com 16) Re: WWI HO figures by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by "Gerald P. MCOSKER" 18) Re: WWI HO figures by "Gerald P. MCOSKER" 19) Re: Model RR Scales by GRBroman@aol.com 20) Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires by Joseph Gentile 21) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 22) Re: WWI HO figures by "Pedro Soares" 23) Saturday, 27 January 1917, Cachy by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 24) Re: Thanks. by Frank Reaume 25) Re: Thanks. by "Douglas R. Jones" 26) Sunday, 28 January 1917, St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 27) Genet's Flight Log by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 28) Monday, 29 January 1917, Raoenel, near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:36:00 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: WWI landscape Message-ID: <32EEB790.7659@host.dmsc.net> I want to thank everyone who offered ideas about modeling a WWI landscape: Matt, Jose, Michel, & Glen. If I left someone else out, my server probably ate the mssg. I hadn't considered wargaming figures-- will definitely look at them. And I will look closely at N scale. Glen, your diorama sounds remarkable. Do you know what scale was used? You didn't mention one. And can you tell us the name of your resident model railroader who did the terrain?-- so I can watch for articles on his work. Too bad I live so far from Washington (I'm in WV). I'd love to see it. You've all given me a number of ideas for research. If I find a good source for vehicles or figures, I'll pass it on. One thing I have always looked for and never found are mule-drawn ammo wagons (not artillery) and ration carts-- in any scale. I signed onto the RR modeling list recently, and by coincidence there are a couple of recent posts regarding WWI figures. I'll strip down the mssgs and post them. Sorry, BTW, that the Genet diary is behind again-- my server has been mostly down for the past couple days, and is probably about to crash again. Thanks again, everyone. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:39:03 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: WWI HO figures Message-ID: <32EEB847.6048@host.dmsc.net> Forwarded from the RRmodeling list: If anyone has info on this, I will pass it on. Bradley > > Does anyone know if the Airfix military figure set of WW 1 aritllery is still > around? Years ago they had WW 1 American, German, and British infanty (this > was OO 1/72 scale) as well as horse artillery . . . might have been Royal > Horse Artillery. Not the Napoleanics but WW1. > > Any help appreciated. > > Vagel Keller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:41:43 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: WWI HO figures Message-ID: <32EEB8E7.44F9@host.dmsc.net> Here is the only reply so far to the query about WWI HO figures on the RRmodeling list. Alas, not WWI figures per se, but ones that might be adapted. --Bradley > > An excellent, if somewhat limited, source of figures is the ESCI line of > military miniatures. You can find these in most decent hobby shops. They > normally come in boxes of 48, unpainted. The quality blows anything else > out of the water- I would rate them as good as Grandt Line. > > These are military figures, but some of them can be adapted: > > ZULU WARRIORS workmen without shirts > CIVIL WAR workmen wearing short jackets and baseball caps > NAPOLEONIC OLD GUARD men in winter coats or possibly 1920s policemen > NAPOLEONIC DRAGOONS and HUSSARS mounted policemen or RCMP (the horses are > excellent, too) > > Plus I am sure they have created additional lines since I last saw them- > if they have any brains at all, they will have created a box of civilians or > camp followers that could be adapted as civilians. They may have some Wild > West figures, too. > > We all need to encourage Grandt Line to do figures! They are the only > ones I know of who might match these ESCIs. > > Bob > Those Classic Trains > RBoyd40076@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:48:43 Eastern Standard Time From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Model RR Scales Message-ID: <19970128194843.09e01836.in@legend.firstsaga.com> Just for those that may be interested: Z = 1/220 N = 1/160 HO = 1/87 S = 3/16" to the foot O = 1/4" to the foot (1/48 in another form) G = 1/32 (Depending on exactly what you are modeling.) Don't ask me why S and O are expressed in " to ', it's just always been that way. And to make this message not completely off-topic I saw a model railroad photograph the other day, N scale, and a flat car was loaded with what appeared to be a Fokker DVIII. Wing was removed and loaded next to the fuselage. Picture wasn't clear enough to see any more detail but I suspect that the plane was probably one of those metal 1/144th scale jobs that Model Expo had in one of their fliers. Now back to your regulary scheduled WWI subject..... Len lfendy@firstsaga.com _ QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Heinen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Model RR Scales Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Leonard Endy wrote: > Just for those that may be interested: > > Z = 1/220 > N = 1/160 > HO = 1/87 > S = 3/16" to the foot > O = 1/4" to the foot (1/48 in another form) > G = 1/32 (Depending on exactly what you are modeling.) > Isn't there also an OO scale that is equivalent to HO? I have a couple of paper model kits that say they are OO/HO scale. BTW, I'm new to this list. I've been deeply interested in WWI aviation for many many years, and I used to be a model builder. I've recently been thinking about getting back into model building. -Jeff +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Jeff Heinen | "Neccessitas non habet legem." | | jheinen@mcl.ucsb.edu | -St. Augustine | | http://www.calpoly.edu/~jheinen | | |=================================+===================================| | Department of History | Senior Consultant | | University of California | Microcomputer Lab | | Santa Barbara | UCSB | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:52:34 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model RR Scales Message-ID: <19970128.195456.3886.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:59:14 -0500 Jeffrey Heinen writes: > BTW, I'm new to this list. I've been deeply interested in WWI > aviation for many many years, and I used to be a model builder. > I've recently been thinking about getting back into model > building. Welcome!! You'll find this the best place to get you back into "the swing of things". Another fellow list member is relatively new, and he's just started into WW1 with the fine 1/72nd Airfix Sopwith Pup. A great intro subject, with little work to make it "a winner". So, sit back, relax (but cap that glue! ;-)) and never *EVER* mention Bf 10somethingorothers. Unless the same sentence contains the means of its destruction. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:00:14 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Model RR Scales Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Jeffrey Heinen wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Leonard Endy wrote: > > > Just for those that may be interested: > > > > Z = 1/220 > > N = 1/160 > > HO = 1/87 > > S = 3/16" to the foot S gauge = 3/16" to the foot = 1/64 > > O = 1/4" to the foot (1/48 in another form) > > G = 1/32 (Depending on exactly what you are modeling.) G gauge = 1/32 = 3/8" to the foot (or double S gauge) > Isn't there also an OO scale that is equivalent to HO? I have a couple of > paper model kits that say they are OO/HO scale. OO Gauge is the British equvalent to HO. OO Gauge is 1/76 This info taken from years of exposure and interaction with my late father, a railroad enthusiast. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:25:38 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Model RR Scales Message-ID: <199701290325.WAA23034@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:59 PM 1/28/97 -0500, Jeffrey Heinen wrote: >BTW, I'm new to this list. I've been deeply interested in WWI aviation >for many many years, and I used to be a model builder. I've recently been >thinking about getting back into model building. Jeff Welcome back to the golden era for modeling! Grab yourself a few kits(scale irrelevant in spite of what others may claim), some sand paper, glue and paint and just do it(to steal shamelessly from a shoe commercial). I started up a few years ago, after a 25 year absence. It takes awhile to get the fingers to work right, but lots of fun learning. This list is a great source of information as well as a place to blow off steam when the decals krinkle all to hell, the glue runs or the paint doesn' match up right. It's also a pretty amusing group, as long as you don't mind personal insults and the occasional fear of ax murderers! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:37:26 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: A question from over here. Message-ID: Hi all, Shane once sent me a photocopy of a page from the Dr.I Special. It was about Jacob's Tripes. One of the photos had a lineup of planes, one of those planes was a Fok. D.VII with Jacob's "Angel" marking! Was this D.VII his? Was it all black as well? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:10:12 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: A question from over here. Message-ID: <32EECDA4.31E9@conted.gatech.edu> Joey, The picture in question of course is less than clear. However, it is also included in a slightly larger size in C&C Int. Vol.25 No.3 in part 2 of Stephen Lawson's "Jasta 7 Under 'Kobes'." Its caption identifies the D.VII as 365/17, "sometimes flown by Jacobs and carrying his markings." One could assume then that it probably was all black. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:20:26 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: A question from over here. Message-ID: <199701290420.AA03018@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: >Hi all, > >Shane once sent me a photocopy of a page from the Dr.I Special. > >It was about Jacob's Tripes. > >One of the photos had a lineup of planes, one of those planes was a Fok. >D.VII with Jacob's "Angel" marking! > >Was this D.VII his? Was it all black as well? Both would be logical conclusions. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:04:47 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lone Star Bristol M.1C Message-ID: <9701282346.aa07649@mail.iapc.net> > A few comments on the Bristol M.1C monoplane I received from Sopwith > Hobbies: > > A few errors are worth mentioning, most serious among these being the > wing shapes and the engine. The wings lack molded root cut-outs and > are a little to rounded and broad of chord and the empennage is a > little off. The rib detail and wire fairings are somewhat 'fat' and > overstated (especially on the undersides), but the plastic is > commendably thick and this might be remedied with a bit of sanding > and/or remedial detailing. The engine supplied is presumably a Clerget > 9Z, which was installed in the M.1A prototype but not the 110 LeRhone > that was used in the production M.1C. Fortunately, I've a suitable > LeRhone in the engine bank. > A major (perhaps minor to most of you) annoyance is that this kit > lacks the nice metal struttage that I observed in a presumably > indentical one that I rummaged through at the local robbery shop. So > apparently these have been discontinued. > Still getting used to the price, although its not bad for a > balloon-scale kit. > > Riordan You must have recieved an older issue, as the newest ones have metal struttage and interior goodies. Did you order direct or possibly buy it off the shelf from someone? Then again, LSM's kits are sometimes a "pay your money- take your chances" kind of deal. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Heinen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Thanks. Message-ID: Thanks for the warm welcome. I've noticed that the discussion is focused around plastic models but I was wondering if other model types are fare for discussion as well? One of my fondest memories was of scratch-building a 1/4 scale Fokker Dr.I from the original plans as part of a class project when I was in the 9th grade. My Junior-high was fortunate enough to have a master builder as an art teacher and he taught the two most popular classes in the school: Aviation-Aerospace, and Space and Rocketry. A select group of students got to participate in the construction of various scale models, including a Wright flyer, a Lillienthal glider, the Spirit of St. Louis, and, of course, the Dr.I I was fortunate enough to work on. All of the planes that the classes had built over the years have been variously displayed around the country. (BTW, has anyone here ever heard of a Mr. Kaldahl who used to teach at Nicollet Jr. High in Burnsville Minnesota ca. 1979-1982?)) As I plan on buying a house within the next year and will finally have enough room to have a "real" workshop, I'm seriously pondering taking on another project similar to the triplane. That being the case, does anybody know if the Smithsonian still sells full-size copies of original aircraft plans? In particular I'm looking for plans for the Nieuport 17, Albatros D.III, or the Sopwith Camel. (I'd *really* like to do the D.III) If discussion of these kinds of models is frowned upon, then I apologize and will refrain from bringing it up again. That's alright though because I like plastic models just as well. :) One more question, has anyone had any experience with Hobby Craft models? I just saw a 1/32 "international" Nieuport 17 with Russian and Estonian markings and was thinking of picking it up. What do you think? -Jeff +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Jeff Heinen | "Neccessitas non habet legem." | | jheinen@mcl.ucsb.edu | -St. Augustine | | http://www.calpoly.edu/~jheinen | | |=================================+===================================| | Department of History | Senior Consultant | | University of California | Microcomputer Lab | | Santa Barbara | UCSB | +---------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:11:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Struts & Double Flying Wires Message-ID: I posted an epistle a little time back on using plastic coated paper clips as a source for carving struts and this worked well on two models, but being of an enquiring nature I delved further and came up with results which I find very satisfactory and am happy to share with the list. Where possible, I now build my interplane and undercarriage struts from brass rod encased in styrene tube and carved to shape. I can only vouch for 1/48 scale where the supply of materials of an appropriate diameter are plentiful but some 1/72 soul may wish to check out if it works for them too. The significant measurements are the internal bore of the styrene tube and the external diameter of the brass rod. Visits to model railway shops here has yielded a number of different products that fit the bill. First stage is to select brass rod and mark where bends are required for "V" or "N" struts and cut plastic tube sleeves of an appropriate length for the main body of strut. Slide these into position and run thin CA adhesive down insides of sleeves to set. In some simple shapes the brass can be fully bent before adding sleeves, in complicated shapes you need to get the sleeves on before final forming. Then sand down the composite to the correct section, which probably means that the brass will show through at the sides but retain plastic "leggings" at front and rear. Note that the strut anchor points are clear of the "leggings" and give very realistic attachments. These can be left fairly long and inserted into drilled holes in the fuselage to give a very rigid structure. This has a terrific advantage when handling the model for painting etc during construction as you can now hold by sturdy i/p and u/c struts as much as you want - finish everything up to top wing application and then paint struts at the penultimate stage. Also you can fit the drilled top wing as often as you wish before gluing on, to measure and bend radiator pipes and aileron cranks etc. I have only done single bay planes so far and in each case the structure is very strong, allowing simple Contrail stock to be used for outerplane struts. The Tom's Sopwith Strutter I am currently working on will have encased outers, but this will satisfy a second purpose as well as strength. Double Flying Wires. I threw together an old Aurora kit from the spares box and tried fitting double wires as a testbed. With the rigidity mentioned above, it is simply a matter of looping round the brass rod anchor points and pulling tight before applying some CA - voila perfect parallel RAF wires. I have now fitted the Strutter undercarriage and drilled holes through wing for double wires and test fitted the monofilament thread. For the first time, I actually look forward to fitting these double wires. I haven't started my Sierra AEG GIV as yet and probably won't for some time, but I already have thoughts about including two substantial lengths of brass rod as main lower wing spars from the fuselage joint out to the struts or engine bearers before emerging through wing and sleeving in rod. Anyway thats for the future. I hope this may be of some use or at least thought-provoking for others. If you have been - thanks for reading. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI landscape Message-ID: <970129074028_40574168@emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-28 17:49:58 EST, you write: > Glen, your diorama sounds remarkable. Do you know what scale was used? You didn't mention one. And can you tell us the name of your resident model railroader who did the terrain?-- so I can watch for articles on his work. Too bad I live so far from Washington (I'm in WV). I'd love to see it.> Bradley, we used OO scale, aka 1/76th. Some of the figures used came from Airfix and some from Revell. IIRC, some were also converted Matchbox and ESCI figures. The Germans were easy, we used the Revell sets. The Americans were converted from Airfix WW I Americans and WW II British. The FT-17's were Matchbox and the Artillery and battlefield debris was Airfix and scratchbuilt. Bill Alspach was our resident model railroad/terrain guru. He is a real S guage (1/64 scale) fan, and was building the town of Sergent, Colorado a building at a time. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI HO figures Message-ID: <970129074041_136048088@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-28 17:51:34 EST, you write: >> Does anyone know if the Airfix military figure set of WW 1 aritllery is >still >> around? Years ago they had WW 1 American, German, and British infanty >(this >> was OO 1/72 scale) as well as horse artillery . . . might have been Royal >> Horse Artillery. Not the Napoleanics but WW1. They are still around, but mostly at swap meets. I have not seen them rereleased in quite some time. BTW, the scale for OO is 1/76, not 1/72. The artillry set was early British WW I and consisted of two 13 pounder gun teams. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:08:07 -0500 From: "Gerald P. MCOSKER" To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: Alberto Rada commented on the latest Windsock which was chock full of non WWI air stuff- > >I think this list will have to come forward with a new publication I tend to agree. I cannot understand why Dr. Rimmell insists on the non WWI items. Interesting to those who are interested- I personally am not. I still havn't sent the $127. subscription fee or 1997 and perhaps I won't. Windosck is at it's best in reviewing kits and providing modelling tips. I'd hate to see it go for there really is nothing else out there except this list that adresses the area of WWI aircraft modelling. Has anyone complained to Ray? I'm in a personal service business and if my clients are not happy I will not eat. I thusly try my best to keep them happy. But then again- are my complaints those of an insignificant minority and should I just overlook Red Nieuports and Polish Brisfits? Cheers- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:18:22 -0500 From: "Gerald P. MCOSKER" To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI HO figures Message-ID: Hat industries d=A6s 1:72 plastic figures- usually of Napoleonic subjects. They have listed a series of WWI troops- British, German, French and US to be issued this year. They have a Web site but I don't have the URL at hand. Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model RR Scales Message-ID: <970129082855_1893634343@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-29 02:32:27 EST, you write: >Isn't there also an OO scale that is equivalent to HO? I have a couple of >paper model kits that say they are OO/HO scale. > > Close, OO is 1/76. HO is 1/87 and S is 1/64. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:42:11 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Struts & Double Flying Wires Message-ID: <199701291342.HAA04733@Walden.MO.NET> At 05:17 AM 1/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >I posted an epistle a little time back on using plastic coated paper clips >as a source for carving struts and this worked well on two models, but >being of an enquiring nature I delved further and came up with results >which I find very satisfactory and am happy to share with the list. >-> Sandy, thanks for the tips....This will probably solve my "how to" regarding the Rareplanes Gotha in that dept. One or two questions for clarity though, if I may: On u/c struts and other V like or U like fixtures how do you keep the styrene from snapping or does it? Is it a matter of fit between the brass rod and the styrene tube that keeps the plastic from cracking? Thank you again for the info: Joe Gentile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:41:17 -0800 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701291341.FAA03278@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Scott wrote: >I believe it's a post war experiment. A single Pup, floats and all, was >carried on a catapult (?) upon one of the large turrets. I have a black and >white drawing of the aircraft thet was published in the IPMS Journal in the >1970s, but it's all I have to go on. From the drawing, it looked like >natural linen, at least the fuselage sides, and had the word "Texas" in >black (?) running from just forward of the hor. stab. to the cockpit. Quite >interesting. I've visited the USS Texas, but the only photo's available >there show the aircraft from a distance and captioned as "observation/spotter plane". The USN also experimented with catapult-launched Camels. To quote Jack Bruce in Profile Publications #31: The Sopwith Camel: "After the war the U.S. Navy had at least six Camels, two of which were allocated to the U.S.S. Texas, another to U.S.S. Arkansas. They were flown from shipboard platforms and were fitted with jettisonable wheels and Grain flotation gear." FWIW. Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:45:16 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: WWI HO figures Message-ID: <199701291351.NAA01063@wallana> Pedro Soares pedro.soares@anaep.pt ---------- > From: Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI HO figures > Date: terça-feira, 28 de janeiro de 1997 22:47 > > Forwarded from the RRmodeling list: If anyone has info on this, I will > pass it on. Bradley > > > > > Does anyone know if the Airfix military figure set of WW 1 aritllery is still > > around? Years ago they had WW 1 American, German, and British infanty (this > > was OO 1/72 scale) as well as horse artillery . . . might have been Royal > > Horse Artillery. Not the Napoleanics but WW1. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Vagel Keller Bradley, I don't know if this helps but please check the following site: http://fmac1.inpetho.net/miniatures/english.html#Neuheiten there's a lot of info there on 1/72 figures. HTH pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:50:03 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 27 January 1917, Cachy Message-ID: <32EF8DCB.560E@host.dmsc.net> Fine weather but bitterly cold and windy. Got up early but had nothing to do all the morning. I may be able to have Masson's Nieuport as he is going to the Aviation school at Avord for several months to instruct pupils there in a day or so. Worked all afternoon helping to fix up the inside of our living barrack. We'll have to do most of the exterior building ourselves. It will require some days to complete it too. Ted Parsons is here with us but Steve Bigelow is still at the G.D.E. Plessis Belleville. It surely looks as tho we shall have a big offensive along this section of the front by next month or in March. Big preparations are being made everywhere around here. ********************************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:03:00 -0500 From: Frank Reaume To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks. Message-ID: <32EF66A4.5EF@microplus.ca> Jeffrey Heinen wrote: > > Thanks for the warm welcome. I've noticed that the discussion is focused > around plastic models but I was wondering if other model types are fare > for discussion as well? One of my fondest memories was of > scratch-building a 1/4 scale Fokker Dr.I from the original plans as part Hi Jeff: I like to peruse this forum, simply because there is a fair bit of good information available on the ww1 birds. However, it seems to me that 99.9% of the participants aren't interested at all in flying models, and so, you may have to find some other source with which to trade opinions. I do know of two people who visit here from time to time, and who love r/c models of the 1/5 and 1/4 scale variety. Other than that, it's pretty slim pickings. > another project similar to the triplane. That being the case, does > anybody know if the Smithsonian still sells full-size copies of original > aircraft plans? In particular I'm looking for plans for the Nieuport 17, > Albatros D.III, or the Sopwith Camel. (I'd *really* like to do the D.III) I don't know about the Smithsonian, but there are a few places to get ww1 plans in large scale. I can think of Bill Effinger and Bob Holman as possible sources, and there are also a few really good kit manufacturers such as Proctor and Glenn Torrance and Arizona Models who advertise in some of the major model mags. I'm building a 1/6 scale Camel at the moment, and hope to try the same model in 1/4 scale next year. Regards, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:14:05 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks. Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970129151405.0a5f8cec@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 12:33 AM 1/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >scratch-building a 1/4 scale Fokker Dr.I from the original plans as part >of a class project when I was in the 9th grade. My Junior-high was What a neat Jr High project! another project similar to the triplane. That being the case, does >anybody know if the Smithsonian still sells full-size copies of original >aircraft plans? In particular I'm looking for plans for the Nieuport 17, >Albatros D.III, or the Sopwith Camel. (I'd *really* like to do the D.III) I am not sure about the plans from the Simthsonian or not. There is a fellow who works for them that frequents this list. He probably knows the answer to this question. You could contact some of the folks who are doing plans for the R/C hobby. Most of these aircraft range from 1/6 (2" to the ft) to 1/3 (4" to the foot). Bob Holman and W.E. Technical Services come immediately to mind. These sure make big static display models! Are you interested in flying them? >If discussion of these kinds of models is frowned upon, then I apologize >and will refrain from bringing it up again. That's alright though because >I like plastic models just as well. :) Well they do generally tolerate those of us who's fingers can't work with itsy bitsy pieces of etched metal ;-) There is a list dedicated to modeling WWI R/C models called Time Machines. You might check them out! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:26:46 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 28 January 1917, St Just Message-ID: <32EFB286.40F8@host.dmsc.net> 909. Fine day but considerably colder than any of these past few days. Got up about 8 o'clock and tried to keep warm. No flying for our escadrille today. We all worked most of the day in arranging the interior of our barrack. Until it is finished and habitable we are forced to sleep in an underground covered trench. It's fairly comfortable and warm as we keep fires (stoves) going and blankets over the two doors. Lieut. de Laage assigned me Thaw's Nieuport to use for myself as Thaw has gone to Paris to get a Spad for himself. I'm quite pleased with the machine, its now new but is in good condition. Am to make my first flight over enemy lines to-morrow. Nice letter came from my attractive Milwalkee cousin, Genet Bloodgood with her photograph. She is really very good-looking indeed. Also have one of dear little Mother's lovable letters to cheer me up. Answered it this evening. ********************************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:32:22 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet's Flight Log Message-ID: <32EFB3D6.6163@host.dmsc.net> Gentlemen, Today is the 80th anniversay of Genet's first patrol over enemy lines. Genet kept a flight log which begins with this patrol, and I will be including the entries from this log along with the usual diary entries. The Log entry will immediately follow the Diary entry, so be sure to scroll down far enough each time. I've made a mistake on the past several entries, recording Genet's location in the heading as "Cachy" when it should have read "St Just." Genet reported to St Just on January 25th, and has been there ever since. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:52:59 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 29 January 1917, Raoenel, near St Just Message-ID: <32EFB8AB.4BF7@host.dmsc.net> 910. Fine day. Cold but less windy than the previous days. Made my first flight over the lines this morning. Went out with Johnson and was out nearly two hours. We didn't sight any enemy machines but were shelled while up by the Somme. Our sector runs from Roye south to Ribecourt which is northeast of Compeigne. I've been in the trenches south of Roye at Tilloloy [Tilloy] and between Ribecourt and Lassigny with the Legion so this section is not very unfamiliar to me. Today we flew north almost to Peronne. Went out alone this afternoon but was forced to make an early return as my machine gun got blocked when I tried it out over the lines. It doesn't pay one little bit to be flying on the front with a gun that can't shoot. Letter from dear Mother and I've written part of a letter to Genet Bloodgood but feel so tired that it will have to be completed to-morrow. ********************************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet **************************************************** *************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Memorandum of flights taken on the Front with Franco-American Flying Corps, Escadrille N-124 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Monday, Jan. 29, 1917 Started out with Johnson at 8 o'clock in the morning. Had a 15 metre 110 hp. Nieuport Monoplace biplane No 1950. We were along the lines from Roye to the Somme River nearly to Peronne for an hour and a half but only saw 2 German Machines well within their lines. Were fired upon up near the Somme, but shots burst at least 500 meters below us and well to one side. Atmosphere was very clear but very cold and somewhat windy. were back at Raoenel, our camp which is just east of St. Just and a little S.W. of Mondider at 9:45. Time: 1 hour 45 Height 4200 meters most of the time ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. Monday, January 29, 1917 Went out on a volunteer trip alone at 3 o'clock but got over Mondider, tried my vickers machine gun which I found it wouldn't work so came back. Broke tail support upon landing. Air less cold and windy than in morning. Time: 20 minutes Height 1600 meters ***************************** from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 416 *********************