WWI Digest 415 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Rareplanes Gotha G.IV by Joseph Gentile 2) Re: Klimke's Anchor by Carlos Valdes 3) RE: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV by Shane Weier 4) Books for sale by Carlos Valdes 5) Windsock 1997-1 by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 6) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by "Bill Ciciora" 9) Re: Klimke's Anchor by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: Windsock 1997-1 by Ray Boorman 11) Re: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV by "Stuart L. Malone" 12) Re: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV by Franco Poloni 13) Re: Klimke's Anchor by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Klimke's Anchor by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 15) Eduard Albatross DV (Red Baron) by Ray Boorman 16) Re: WW 1 aviation books (fwd) by aew (Allan Wright) 17) Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Lone Star Bristol M.1C by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) RE: Eduard Albatross DV (Red Baron) by Shane Weier 20) Building WWI vacuforms by Bob Norgren ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:25:58 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV Message-ID: <199701280025.SAA29524@Walden.MO.NET> How many folks have built this beastie yet? I'd like to and am going to need quite a bit of help so any and all help is sincerely appreciated. I am well into my second vac kit which is the KAE 1/48 CL.III. This kit is straight ahead and really rather *easy* to build AFA vacs go. This baby however, is going to take some work I do believe. Since I have no 1/72 vac experience what does one do about the bottom of the wings and the rib detail? Do I add a sheet of .010? How does one address the issue of wing camber? I am lost big time here. BOB NORGREN: Can you offer any advice Sir? Last, but not least. Since this model is 10+ years old is there an article on how to build this kit in anyones library? I'd love to get my hands on one and would be most grateful if someone was able to provide me with a photocopy. Thanks in advance for your input. Sincerely, Joe Gentile nb: KAE Hannover CL.IIIa 1/48 Czechmaster HB W.20 1/72 (just the rigging) nl: Dave Matthews - Crash nr: The Green Mile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:33:08 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <32ED4944.3848@conted.gatech.edu> Mike, After the last post on this topic I took out my Dr.I Special and the relevant Imrie commentary and had a good look. It appears that the entire tail unit and rear fuselage area up to the forward edge of the side crosses was yellow: thus the tail anchor would still be black and the side anchors--more reasonably, as Rimell admitted-- would now be yellow. At least that's how I read Imrie's corrections. BTW, speaking of Imrie, it seems that we'll have some time to wait before his D.VII book becomes available. During a recent conversation, Greg VanWyngarden mentioned that Alex had noted in a letter that it would be three or for more years until this project would be published. It seems that Alex is a very deliberate worker. Thank goodness there will be two D.VII books put out this year to help us in our wait! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:41:42 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV Message-ID: <01BC0D07.DA8961E0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi Joe, >Since I have no 1/72 vac experience what does one do about the bottom of the >wings and the rib detail? Do I add a sheet of .010? How does one address >the issue of wing camber? I am lost big time here. BOB NORGREN: Can you >offer any advice Sir? I just *know* I'm going to get hammered for this but: Either leave it as it is (unless there are *huge* trenches where the ribs should be) or Scribe NARROW double tracks at each rib point to indicate tapes, or fill the whole undersurface and make it dead smooth. BUT whatever you do don't put raised ribs on the undersurfaces. It just taint so on any convex wing surface (exception, forward of the leading spar where riblets go, if the plane has them) regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:45:29 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Books for sale Message-ID: <32ED4C29.110E@conted.gatech.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6DFD3CD9217D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, I found the attached on rec.models.scale--there are some interesting items on this list. Carlos --------------6DFD3CD9217D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="For Sale.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="For Sale.txt" >From - Mon Jan 27 19:39:19 1997 Path: smash.gatech.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bsteinipms@aol.com (BSteinIPMS) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Subject: FS: Aviation Books, List #2 Date: 27 Jan 1997 20:32:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 263 Message-ID: <19970127203200.PAA16589@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com I am thinning my aviation library and have quite a few books for sale. I have more than what is listed here on List #2 (please see the post for List #1), so if you have any specific requests, please ask. All books are in mint condition, hardcover books have had their dust jackets covered in clear protective plastic, all books are guaranteed, and anything is returnable for any reason. IPMS members may take 10% off the prices listed here, but please supply your IPMS number in order to receive the discount. Shipping in the U.S. is $3.00 for the first book, and $1.00 for each additional one. Shipments outside of the U.S. will be quoted on an individual basis. Happy reading! --Bob Steinbrunn --IPMS #3345 BSteinIPMS@aol.com AVIATION BOOK LIST #2 --BOB STEINBRUNN WORLD WAR I LIST Hardcover books are noted HC. Soft cover books are noted sc. Hardcover books which have had their dust jacket covered in clear protective plastic are noted HC cp. Oversize books are noted o/s. All books are in mint condition except as noted. Hasegawa 1/8 scale museum model of Sopwith F.1 Camel, new in box, unopened and shrink wrapped, unbelievable detail, now listed in Sentai catalog for $900.00 +. Will sell for $550.00 including shipping of your choice. Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War I, Taylor, Studio, 1990, o/s, HC cp, 320 pp., $25.00. RAF SE5a, Windsock Datafile Special, Bruce, sc, $20.00. Folder of 5 original magazine articles, WW I aircraft, $3.00. Wings of Honor-American Airmen in World War I , Sloan, Schiffer, 1994, o/s, HC cp, 460 pp., $40.00. Legend, Memory, and the Great War in the Air, Pisano, Dietz, Gernstein, Schneide, National Air & Space Museum, 1992, o/s, HC cp, 144 pp., $25.00. von Richthofen and the "Flying Circus", Nowarra & Brown, Harleyford, 1959, o/s, HC cp, 208 pp., good, rare, $45.00. Sopwith Camel-King of Combat, Bowyer, Glasney, 1978, o/s, HC cp, 192 pp., very rare, $50.00. The Fighters-The Men and Machines of the First Air War, Funderburk, Grosset & Dunlap, 1965, o/s, HC cp, 195 pp., good, $25.00. Airpower magazine, Nov 1995, Vol. 25, No. 6, World War I Combat Edition, $4.00. W.W.I Aero-The Journal of the Early Aeroplane, #145, Aug 1994, sc, 144 pp., $10.00. W.W.I Aero-The Journal of the Early Aeroplane, #147, Feb 1995, sc, 144 pp., $10.00. SQUADRON/SIGNAL "IN ACTION" SERIES: $8.00 EACH. #93 SPAD Fighters #110 Sopwith Fighters #123 BE 2 #137 Bristol Fighter #158 Fokker Eindecker Triplanes-A Pictorial History of the World's Triplanes and Multiplanes, Bowers & McDowell, Motorbooks, 1993, sc, 160 pp., $18.00. The German Army Air Service in World War One, Rimell, Vintage Warbirds No. 2, Arms & Armor Press, 1985, sc, 64 pp., $10.00. The Sopwith Fighters, Bruce, Vintage Warbirds No. 5, Arms & Armor Press, 1986, sc, 64 pp., $10.00. Fokker Fighters of World War One, Imrie, Vintage Warbirds No. 6, Arms & Armor Press, 1986, sc, 64 pp., $10.00. Sopwith Camel, Bruce, Vintage Aviation fotofax, Arms & Armor Press, 1989, sc, 48 pp., $10.00. Classic Aircraft of World War I, Hiscock, Osprey, 1994, sc, 128 pp., color photos, $18.00. Lafayette Escadrille, Mason, Konecky & Konecky, 1964, HC cp, 340 pp., $14.00. The First Air War-1914-1918, Kennett, MacMillan, 1991, HC cp, 275 pp., $14.00. The Fise of the Fighter Aircraft-1914-1918, Hallion, Nautical & Aviation, 1988, HC cp, 200 pp., $14.00. Richtofen-Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron, Kilduff, John Wiley & Sons, 1994, sc, 256 pp., $10.00. British Aviation-The Great War and Armistice, Penrose, Funk & Wagnalls, 1969, HC cp, 606 pp., very rare, $50.00. The Royal Flying Corps, Thompson, Hamish Hamilton, 1968, HC cp, 151 pp., rare, $25.00. They Fought for the Sky, Reynolds, Rinehart, 1957, HC cp, 294 pp., good, $18.00. The Red Baron-The Autobiography of Manfred von Richtofen, Ulanoff, Barnes & Noble, 1969, HC cp, 240 pp., $12.00. An Airman's Outings with the RFC-June-December 1916, Bott, Greenhill, 1986, sc, 323 pp., $15.00. Fighter Pilots of World War I, Jackson, St. Martin's, 1977, HC cp, 158 pp., good, $10.00. Heroes of the Sunlit Sky, Whitehouse, Doubleday, 1967, HC cp, 387 pp., good, $15.00. The Years of the Sky Kings, Whitehouse, Doubleday, 1959, HC cp, 336 pp., good, $14.00. World War I, Marshall, The American Heritage Library, Houghton Mifflin Co., 1992, sc, 512 pp., $10.00. PAPERBACK BOOKS: GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION, $4.00 EACH: Winged Victory, Yeates, 1975, 447 pp. Winged Warfare, Bishop, 1967, 255 pp. The Canvas Falcons, Longstreet, 1970, 396 pp. Flying Fury, McCudden, 1968, 316 pp. Fighting The Flying Circus, Rickenbacker, 1965, 330 pp. Great Battles Of World War I: In the Air, Platt, 1966, 206 pp. Iron Men With Wooden Wings, Cameron, 1967, 174 pp. The Falcons Of France, Nordhoff & Hall, 1959, 224 pp. In The Company Of Eagles, Gann, 1966, 231 pp. The Blue Max, Hunter, 1964, 280 pp. A Killing For The Hawks, Smith, 1966, 253 pp. Goshawk Squadron, Robinson, 1986, 279 pp. BOOKS ON PLASTIC MODELING: Superdioramas, Bob Letterman and Lewis Pruneau, Verlinden, $8.00. The Art of Plastic Modeling, Al Kropf & Sydney P. Chivers, Grenadier, $8.00. The Art of Scale Scratchbuilding, Michael J. Dario & Sydney P. Chivers, Grenadier, $8.00. Building Plastic Models, Kalmbach, $5.00. Scale Modeling Tips and Techniques, Kalmbach, $8.00. Hints and Tips for Plastic Modeling, Kalmbach, $6.00. Building Model Airliners, David Minton, Kalmbach, $8.00. Building & Improving Vacuum-Formed Model Aircraft, E. R. Staszak, Kalmbach, $8.00. How to Photograph Scale Models, Sheperd Paine & Lane Stewart, Kalmbach, $8.00. How to Build Dioramas, Sheperd Paine, Kalmbach, $8.00. Modeling Tanks and Military Vehicles, Sheperd Paine, Kalmbach, $8.00. The Illustrated Modelaholic-A Guide to Modeling Enjoyment, Hal Sandford, $12.00. On Plastic Wings-The Verlinden Way, Volume III, $5.00 Plastic Scale Model Aircraft, W. R. Matthews, Altmark, $5.00. Aircraft From the Battle of Britain, Scale Models magazine, Model and Allied Publications, color profiles, plans, drawings, $5.00. PLANES magazine, #11, Feb/Mar 1984, $2.00. --------------6DFD3CD9217D-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:53:38 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <199701280053.BAA27302@login.eunet.no> Gentlemen, I just received 1997s first issue of Windsock, here are some highlights and comments: Americal/Gryphon Decals advertise sets for JGII in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/28 Copper State Models of Phoenix, Arizona promise kits and detail sets,=20 any of our US listmembers familiar with this company? Archive has two pages of pictures showing Norwegian Sopwith Babys. Can someone confirm that correct plural form is Babies or Babys, since Baby is a name should it keep the `y` or have the usual =ECes` at end? They list me as a source of the profile on the Sopwith Baby in Norwegian service,=20 if someone is to order it, please be patient because I am to start on a work-period offshore in a few days and will be unable to answer mail for approximate four weeks. Jack Bruce concludes his articles on the FK22 Bantam There is a fine article on German aircraft that went to Italy after the armstice. Another good one is by Alexandrov and Woodman on Russian Naval aviation in= the=20 Black Sea in 1919 and the use of German and A-H aircraft in that area. Toward the end there are 7 pages of reviews (among them the elusive Skybirds`86 kits) Finishing off with a few pages on Polish use of Ansalado A-1 fighters. This is a pleasant surprise, after a number of issues with little of interest to me,=20 I like this one. Even if the pure WW1 content is almost non-existant if you don`t include the reviews, there are plenty of interesting articles on the fringes. They also advertise their new Datafile on the Hansa Brandenburg W.12 at GBP8 + p&p as well as the larger and more expensive one on Halberstadt fighters. Best Regards Knut Erik =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:52:31 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <199701280152.VAA27605@fw.true.net> At 07:59 PM 27-01-97 -0500, you wrote: >Gentlemen, > >I just received 1997s first issue of Windsock, here are some highlights and >comments: > f our US listmembers familiar with this company? > >There is a fine article on German aircraft that went to Italy after the >armstice. > >Another good one is by Alexandrov and Woodman on Russian Naval aviation in= > the=20 >Black Sea in 1919 and the use of German and A-H aircraft in that area. > > >Finishing off with a few pages on Polish use of Ansalado A-1 fighters. > > > >They also advertise their new Datafile on the Hansa Brandenburg W.12 at GBP8 >+ p&p as well as the larger and more expensive one on Halberstadt fighters. > And I thought this was a publication on WW I Airplanes, well Requien im pax I think this list will have to come forward with a new publication SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <970127212448_1994102417@emout05.mail.aol.com> No to the contrary, the 'fringe' elements are important to telling the entire story. Besides, I would rather see Windsock go away from the front and stay in business. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:36:38 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: All this talk about trains reminded me of a conversation I had with my maternal grandmother many years ago. She came to the USA from the new Czechoslovak republic a few years after the war. Her brother Ferdinand (there's a good A-H empire name) was a railroad engineer, and was killed during the Great War. I never ascertained if he was a conscript in the army, or if he was still an engineer and was caught in a bombing or artillery raid on his train. I tend toward the latter, since skills such as running a locomotive became rarer as the war dragged on, and were in great demand for moving men and materiel. Gotta get back into some genealogical research one of these days.... Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:47:35 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <199701280347.WAA19454@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:43 PM 1/27/97 -0500, Carlos Valdes wrote: >Mike, > After the last post on this topic I took out my Dr.I Special and the >relevant Imrie commentary and had a good look. It appears that the >entire tail unit and rear fuselage area up to the forward edge of the >side crosses was yellow: thus the tail anchor would still be black and >the side anchors--more reasonably, as Rimell admitted-- >would now be yellow. At least that's how I read Imrie's corrections. > BTW, speaking of Imrie, it seems that we'll have some time to wait >before his D.VII book becomes available. During a recent conversation, >Greg VanWyngarden mentioned that Alex had noted in a letter that it >would be three or for more years until this project would be published. >It seems that Alex is a very deliberate worker. Thank goodness there >will be two D.VII books put out this year to help us in our wait! > Carlos Carlos Thanks. Seems reasonable and I guess the color police can be called off. Meanwhile, what 2 new books on the D-VII?????? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:31:50 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <32ED8F46.61A2@lynx.bc.ca> Although I may not always agree with some of the direction of Windsock International, I have to say its consistently read in the first day or so after I receive it. I think it would not be that easy to come up with something as slick 6 times a year. If Windsock has a problem it's more that there isn't enough. I would glady pay double for larger issues. By the same token if the datafiles had more colour pages I would also pay more, as in plan veiws as well as profiles. This would be very worthwhile to people like me who may not be as expert or have as many references. As I have said in the past, if you think there has been too much non wwi coverage then write to Ray Rimmell. He's running a business as well as a labour of love so if he gets enough people asking for more coverage of a certain period then he will take notice. Remember Windsock has a world circulation measured in the thousands (Not tens of thousands), so Ray does take notice. In no way shape or form are my comments meant to offend, its just that I happen to think Windsock is still worthwhile and has filled a large void in the last twelve years or so. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) >Alberto Rada wrote: > > > And I thought this was a publication on WW I Airplanes, > well Requien im pax > > I think this list will have to come forward with a new publication ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 01:33:46 +0000 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: wwi Subject: Re: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970128013343.00693a48@sound.net> At 07:24 PM 1/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >How many folks have built this beastie yet? I'd like to and am going to >need quite a bit of help so any and all help is sincerely appreciated. > All I can offer you is that I've done a complete inspection of this kit, and the Friedrichsomethingoranother G III many many times, but haven't got up the nerve to slice into the plastic yet. >I am well into my second vac kit which is the KAE 1/48 CL.III. This kit is >straight ahead and really rather *easy* to build AFA vacs go. This baby >however, is going to take some work I do believe. > >Since I have no 1/72 vac experience what does one do about the bottom of the >wings and the rib detail? Do I add a sheet of .010? How does one address >the issue of wing camber? I am lost big time here. BOB NORGREN: Can you >offer any advice Sir? > I like that idea, just make sure you keep the wing straight while the glue sets. Stuart L. Malone nb: nuthin' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:30:25 -0100 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Rareplanes Gotha G.IV Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970128113025.0068b820@lo.itline.it> At 19.25 27/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >How many folks have built this beastie yet? I'd like to and am going to >need quite a bit of help so any and all help is sincerely appreciated. > hi Joe I'm building that kit, although I converted it in a Gotha GV with the boxed tailplanes. The kit is good, but needs some adjustements: according to the Windsock special "GOTHA" I reshaped the wingtips, add the sweeptback to the lower wing, moved back the gun tunnel, scratchbuilt the the whole cockpit interior (control column, pilot and gunner seats, control panel,floor, etc..etc..) scratchbuilt the undercarriages. Rollmodels sells a "AEROCLUB GOTHA PACK", that is a good help, it comes with 2 engines, guns, propellers, wheels, all very well casted in white metal. Of course this kit comes in a good replica even without all this corrections, but, I'm a perfectionist.:-) cheers Franco > Franco Poloni NET.UNO snc- ITLINE-nodo Lodi ADMINISTRATOR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 05:51:49 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <19970128.045324.16222.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:49:01 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > Thanks. Seems reasonable and I guess the color police can be >called off. Meanwhile, what 2 new books on the D-VII?????? The In Action due in March (I think), and the D.VII Datafile Special that was supposed to be out last fall, so who knows when we'll see it. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 05:57:16 -0800 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <199701281357.FAA28726@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Graham wrote: >The datafile special was 'textually' amended in Windsock magazine soon >after publication, by Alex Imrie, I think. Unfortfunately for us, Blue >Rider had already issued the black anchor on their decal sheet. > >This was a classic case of Ray Rimmel reading yellow as black on the >orthocromatic film. (What price Voss's yellow faced DR1..?:^)) Which kinda makes me wonder about some of Ray's other color schemes. Trying to establish colors from black and white photos is more guesswork than knowledge. (To his credit, Ray will often say that a color scheme is conjectural.) If you have a photograph of a WWI aircraft, you have at least 95% of the information that the "experts" have. Color interpretation is mostly compairison with known colors (e.g. national insignia, documented squadron colors), knowing what paint colors would be available, and common sense. Take Klimke's Dr.I. Rimmell's color profile shows the cowl and interplane struts in yellow and the barely visible fuselage anchor in black, but if you look at the photo, the cowl, struts, anchor and national insignia all appear to be the same value of grey. So it could be either black or yellow. Here's where the common sense part comes in: ask yourself, if a guy's going to go to trouble to paint a personal insignia on his olive-colored fuselage is he going to paint it black or yellow? Which shows up better? Voila! If you have Windsock Datafile No. 1: The Albatros D.III, look at the photo of von Bertrab's aircraft on page 5 with the dark fuselage with "shooting star" design. Rimmell's caption states, "Entire fuselage and tail unit are usually described as being black. White crosses have a lighter surround; the colours are not known." The photo shows a very dark fuselage with the star and cross outline in a slightly lighter shade. The cross and star outline are a very light color. I KNOW what the colors are - but I can't prove it! The fuselage is black, the star and cross outline are red, and the cross and star outline are white. How do I know? First, assuming the fuselage is black, on prints made from orthochromatic film red has a slighly lighter value than black. Second, those colors are a logical combination because red, black, and white are the colors of the German flag. Finally, it just looks bitchin'! Hey, it works for ME. Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:09:47 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Eduard Albatross DV (Red Baron) Message-ID: <32EE08AB.38AB@lynx.bc.ca> I took a look at the "Red Baron" (box title not mine) version of Eduard's Albatros DV today. I compared the parts from the normal DV/DVa to the Red Baron version. The first big difference at least here in Canada was the price. The Red Baron version $33 cdn. Whereas the normal DV/DVa was $48 cdn. The Engine is plastic now not metal, however it's almost a copy of the metal engine and is as detailed. All other Plastic parts are the same. The photo-etch on first examination is the same. However a closer look will show that the frets are different on a few parts. There are a couple of presumably DVa parts missing and some parts have been re-engineered. The rudder bar is an example of this where the original DV/DVa was a two peice photoetch part and the new model combines the two peices. The instructions have been reworked for DV only. The paint instructions are now matched to Humbrol, Revell, testors and Tamiya colours etc. (Would have been nice to have Polly scale and Floquil). The instructions are the older format where there are some written details and the last page is on markings. The full colour page is not included. The markings are for D2059 with Red overpainted fuselage, but normal wings, or the aircraft that Richtofen was wounded in, which had red wings tailplane and nose with wood fuselage. These are both as shown in the Windsock Richtofen special. Some of the crosses have red where the white should be to simulate overpainting. So thats it. Pretty much the same model, but cost's less. I guess maybe now I can buy a second DV. I'm pretty sure this is the low tech version so presumably the hich tech will be at the higher price and have a white metal engine and colour plates. (I think they will sell a lot more of the low tech!) Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: WW 1 aviation books (fwd) Message-ID: <199701281507.KAA20933@pease1.sr.unh.edu> This came to me from someone on the net - I know nothing about him except what is in this message. Caveat Emptor. -Al Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:35:54 -0700 (MST) > From: Derek Frost > Subject: Re: WW 1 aviation books > > 4335-115th Street > Edmonton Alberta T6J 1P5 > Canada > > All books & magazines are mint unless indicated. Hard Cover books are > indicated. Minimum Order $10.00. P&P add 15% of > order. Minimum P&P $4.00. Postage rates will be adjusted to offer best > possible price depending on amount of order. Make payments to "D.Frost". > Prices shown in US $. If ordering by email suggest that before > sending money, await verification of availabilty. I also have a large > collection of aircraft books from other historical periods if any subcribers > would like the listing. > > Condition > vg = very good: gd = good condition but worn: fair = well used. > > "German Combat Planes". R.Wagner/Heinz Nowarra. 1971. This is a > comprehensive survey 1914-1945. hc. 400pp. over 1200 > b/w ills. gd. $30.00 > > "Germany's First Air Force 1914-1918". P.Kilduff.1991. hc. 160 pp & very > well ill. b/w. vg. $14.00 > > "Great Aircraft of the World". 1992. Massive 456pp. ill. history of the most > famous civil & military planes, complete with > tech.specs. Prof. ill. incl. many col. profiles. vg. $22.00 > > 'Harleyford' books. Pub in the 1960's these are now collector classics. hc. > prof.ill b/w photos & scale drawings each $35.00 > "U.S. Army & Air Force Fighters 1916-1961". B.Roberston. 256pp. d/j worn > "U.S. Navy & Marine Corps Fighters 1918-1962". B.Roberston. 248pp. d/j worn > > "Pioneer Aircraft 1903-1914". K.Munson. Blandford.1969. hc 178pp. Prof.ill. > with color profiles. nr.mint. $15.00 > > Squadron in Action series. mint. $4 each > No.69 S.E.5a; No.93. Spad Fighters; No.123 Be2. > > "Warplanes & Air Battles of WW 1" 1973. hc. 160pp. well ill. b/w & col. No > d/j. Good. $5.00Windsock Magazine. WW1 > aeroplane enthusiasts & modellers. Vol.9: No.3. well ill. b/w plus col. > fair. $7.00 > > Windsock Datafile all mint or nr.mint. nr.mint. each 9.00 > No.19 Albatros D.III (OEF); No.52 Bristol M.1. > > Barwa series from Poland.History of aircraft used by Poland. each > approx.25pp. Prof.ill. w/col. profiles & b/w photos. gd. Polish text. $3.00 ea. > 1918-39: Albatros;Brandenburg,Caudron,Hanriot, Bartel,PWS,RWD,Lublin > No.6. 1918-39: Numerous German WW 1 aircraft > No.7. 1918-39: Antra,DFW,Hannover,LVG CV,LVG CVI,Albatros JI > No.9. 1918-39: Spad S7 C1,Spad S13 C1, Ansaldo A1 > > Typi Broni' series. well ill.w/b&w ill.&col.profiles. Polish text.$4.00. > No.114. Spad VII - XIII > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 09:31:22 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Windsock 1997-1 Message-ID: <9700288544.AA854474612@mx.Ricochet.net> Ray, I applaud Rimell for his broad coverage of WWI aircraft. After all, they continued to be used for many years 'in anger' after the official end of the Great War. The fact is, (as many list members know) World War I didn't really end with the Armistice. Germany continued to fight Poland, Hungary was attacked by the Czechs, Serbs and Romanians, and all of Eastern Europe was caught up in the tumult of Russian Civil War until 1921. So perhaps folks should do a little bit more reading and broaden their horizons instead of insisting that Ray narrow his. Disclaimer: Any lapses of spelling or tact are due to obsession and temporary fits of pompousness. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Windsock 1997-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/27/97 9:46 PM Although I may not always agree with some of the direction of Windsock International, I have to say its consistently read in the first day or so after I receive it. I think it would not be that easy to come up with something as slick 6 times a year. If Windsock has a problem it's more that there isn't enough. I would glady pay double for larger issues. By the same token if the datafiles had more colour pages I would also pay more, as in plan veiws as well as profiles. This would be very worthwhile to people like me who may not be as expert or have as many references. As I have said in the past, if you think there has been too much non wwi coverage then write to Ray Rimmell. He's running a business as well as a labour of love so if he gets enough people asking for more coverage of a certain period then he will take notice. Remember Windsock has a world circulation measured in the thousands (Not tens of thousands), so Ray does take notice. In no way shape or form are my comments meant to offend, its just that I happen to think Windsock is still worthwhile and has filled a large void in the last twelve years or so. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) >Alberto Rada wrote: > > > And I thought this was a publication on WW I Airplanes, > well Requien im pax > > I think this list will have to come forward with a new publication ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 09:57:16 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Lone Star Bristol M.1C Message-ID: <9700288544.AA854474621@mx.Ricochet.net> A few comments on the Bristol M.1C monoplane I received from Sopwith Hobbies: A few errors are worth mentioning, most serious among these being the wing shapes and the engine. The wings lack molded root cut-outs and are a little to rounded and broad of chord and the empennage is a little off. The rib detail and wire fairings are somewhat 'fat' and overstated (especially on the undersides), but the plastic is commendably thick and this might be remedied with a bit of sanding and/or remedial detailing. The engine supplied is presumably a Clerget 9Z, which was installed in the M.1A prototype but not the 110 LeRhone that was used in the production M.1C. Fortunately, I've a suitable LeRhone in the engine bank. A major (perhaps minor to most of you) annoyance is that this kit lacks the nice metal struttage that I observed in a presumably indentical one that I rummaged through at the local robbery shop. So apparently these have been discontinued. Still getting used to the price, although its not bad for a balloon-scale kit. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:31:41 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Albatross DV (Red Baron) Message-ID: <01BC0DB6.796E1E00@pc087b.mim.com.au> Ray, >The first big difference at least here in Canada was the price. The Red >Baron version $33 cdn. Whereas the normal DV/DVa was $48 cdn. I suspect that you (and other North American) modellers are paying the price for getting the models early. The read that the distributor gets each new issue by air freight, adding considerably to the cost, so that even here in Australia at the other end of the earth, we get them cheaper (if 8 weeks later). It may be that this not so new issue came by sea. The original version retails here for under A$30 (about US$24) , I paid the equivalent of US$21 for one of mine. >So thats it. Pretty much the same model, but cost's less. I guess maybe >now I can buy a second DV. I'm pretty sure this is the low tech version >so presumably the hich tech will be at the higher price and have a white >metal engine and colour plates. (I think they will sell a lot more of >the low tech!) I bet the MvR version will cost exactly the same here as the original. Just a guess, and I don't really need another - yet. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:59:09 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Building WWI vacuforms Message-ID: <32EE305D.56EB@ne.infi.net> Stuart L. Malone wrote: > >Since I have no 1/72 vac experience what does one do about the bottom of the > >wings and the rib detail? Do I add a sheet of .010? How does one address > >the issue of wing camber? I am lost big time here. BOB NORGREN: Can you > >offer any advice Sir? For most 1/72 wings, using just the top surfaces makes the wing more of a scale thickness and eliminates a ton of sanding. However this method has drawbacks, namely less rigidity and a smaller area for strut attachment. In any event, if you are using just the tops, you can approach the undersurface detail in a couple of different ways: 1. Just sand the underside to a sharp trailing edge and scribe in the wing ribs with a sharp blade. This the easiest method and makes a small raised line (as well as a scribed line) that looks good under a coat of paint. An alternative is to use tape, decals or fine stretched sprue to simulate the ribs. 2. Using .010 sheet, mark and score the wing ribs with a fine tip ballpoint or other sharp point. Then glue to the underside of the wing, carefully using very little cement, otherwise the thin plastic will melt. To borrow from the methods of scratchbuilder Harry Woodman, it might be best to stick the sheet to the wing underside with double-sided tape and carefully glue the leading and trailing edges. The problem here is that the scoring is going to stretch the plastic so that the ribs will be farther apart than on the top surface and won't match, so you have to compensate when you draw them in. I'm not sure what you mean by "address(ing) the issue of wing camber." Isn't the underside of the top surface already cambered? If you stick the .010 sheet to the underside of the wing with double-sided tape it will follow the camber. I started scratchbuilding in the '60s because there were no models, not even vacforms, of all the interesting WWI and 1919-39 aircraft I found in Flying Review and other WIlliam Green books. My first effort was a Friedrichshafen FF.33E floatplane using Bjorn Karlstrom's drawings. Not knowing any better, I made everything out of balsa. It looked good at a distance, but up close the grain was rather frightening. I soon realized that plastic was the way to go. In the early '70s I discovered Squadron sheet plastic and was off and running. So using Harry Woodman's techniques as described in the old Scale Models mags, I built a 1/48 Aeromarine 39B USN floatplane trainer from the Paul Matt drawings. It took a ton of plastic sheet to get the wings right, but I finally succeeded and the final model was stunning in gray with yellow flying surfaces. I learned a lot by trying over and over until I got it right. That's what advanced modelling is so different from kit "assembling." It's more like engineering or fine art. Lately I've had to develop techniques for making patterns for kits that will be injection molded. It took weeks and weeks and many false turns and trashed patterns but now I think I have down. The next will be easier... Part one of an occasional series... Bob Sierra Scale Models ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 415 *********************