WWI Digest 414 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) server down by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 2) Re: Done at last by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: First Models by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by mbittner@juno.com 5) Friday, 26 January 1917, Cachy by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 6) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 7) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by "Valenciano . Jose" 8) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 11) Re: Friday, 26 January 1917, Cachy by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: Done at last by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by "Valenciano . Jose" 15) Re[2]: Modeling a WWI landscape by "Shelley Goodwin" 16) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by "Pedro Soares" 17) Re: Klimke's Anchor by Graham Nash 18) Re: Sopwith Pup by "Pedro Soares" 19) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 20) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by GRBroman@aol.com 21) First Models by Jack Berlien 22) Re: Offer to the group by aew (Allan Wright) 23) Re: Offer to the group by aew (Allan Wright) 24) Re: Offer to the group by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: Klimke's Anchor by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) Re: Sopwith Pup by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:13:06 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: server down Message-ID: <32EC2B52.3F42@host.dmsc.net> Gents, my server's been kaputt all day, with mssgs vaporized, so if there were any interesting responses to my query about "modeling a WWI landscape", I have, alas, missed them. Genet diary to follow. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:45:20 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Done at last Message-ID: <19970126.184700.13662.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:42:08 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > NB: Revell Dr.1 in munchkin scale > NL: Sinead O'Connor(Oh boy,can't wait to hear the comments on > this one) Finally. Building in the correct scale, and listening to the best music. Which Sinead disc, BTW? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:45:20 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <19970126.184700.13662.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:54:22 -0500 "Bill Ciciora" writes: > Now that I no longer have nimble little 10 year old fingers > (it's not the eyesight, Matt, it's the dexterity), I build > strictly 1/48. I got back into modelling as a result of computer > flight sims, so I do have a couple suck-and-blow-jobs on the > shelf: an F-16 and an F-14. But since Red Baron by Dynamix, it's > been only WWI. The dexterity part, I do understand, honestly. My dad used to complain about it when we built flyable aircraft. However, there are prosthetics that can help. Like tweesers. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:45:20 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <19970126.184700.13662.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:35:00 -0500 "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" writes: > Has anyone on this list ever attempted such a project-- or know > of anyone who has? I'm completely hooked on the idea now, and > willing to spend the next ten or twenty years (if I have that > long), researching and working towards it. I've thought about it for a lllooonnnggg time. It's entirely possible. I've even thought about scratching the engines to 1/72nd. Actually, a lot of work. > First question, of course, is whether there is a train scale > sufficiently close to 1:72. How far off is HO? What about the > British OO, which I seem to remember someone mentioning when > there was some discussion about WWI trains. And does anyone > know where I can find a copy of "Narrow Gauge to No Man's > Land?" As Michel said, HO is 1/87th, while OO is 1/76th. However, at least with the US engines (which is what _Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land_ is about), they were "narrow gauge", so keep this in mind. > I expect the problem of a commensurable scale between trains & > planes is the one biggest problem. You'd think the model plane > industry would have come out with some lines of planes in RR > scale-- a good way to expand their market. Well, G gauge (I believe) is in 1/48th, while one of the others (S?) is 1/32nd. > If you Gents out there had the necessary funds, time and space, > and were to set out reproducing an entire WWI French landscape, > what would you do to get started? Money, is what it's all about. I have seen companies put out engines for that time frame, but they're all out of England, and quite expensive. Check out The Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette for more info on this type of stuff. Actually, the publishers who put out the No Man's Land book also publishes this magazine. The last Narrow Gauge magazine I have - 1994 - has the following information to get the book: Benchmark Publications, Ltd., PO Box 26, Los Altos, CA, 94023, USA; (415) 941-3823. It lists the book at US $38.95. I would really like to continue this thread. Even if the engine comes out non-operating, I still would like to scratchbuild one. I'm just looking for more plans. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:22:08 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 26 January 1917, Cachy Message-ID: <32EC2D70.2F15@host.dmsc.net> 907. Fine day but so cold that I have had to melt the ink in my fountain pen in order to write this tonight. Came out to the camp after sleeping soundly until 8:30 this morning. Escadrille came down from Cachy and arrived just after lunch, the fellows flying down in the machines in less than half an hour's time. We spent the after noon in sitting around a fire to keep warm and talking. Our barracks are not yet completed so we are forced to sleep and live in an underground covered trench until they are but I'm going to try a corner of one of the barracks with plenty of hay and covering tonight. I've been in much worse places with the Legion so I guess I can stand this discomfort. Letters from dear Mother, Bob Feely and Ester came with the mail today. ********************************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:47:03 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <32EC4157.46AC@host.dmsc.net> Thanks for the info & ideas, Matt. My server ate all my mssgs today & this is the first post I've seen on this thread. If there weren't too many others, could someone forward them to me? Or just the best ones? Here's a twist on the thread. If one were to leave out the question of trains for the time being-- how feasible is it to do the rest of the landscape in 1:72 or OO. One can get WWI soldiers, of course, in 1:72. Haven't seen WWI-era civilians, though. I haven't seen a lot offered yet in the railroad mags I've picked up in OO scale. Is it all in England, or are there dealers for OO in the US? Do they offer anything in the way of WWI-era vehicles? Or other paraphanalia? And how noticeable is the visual difference between 1:72 and OO? 72 & 76 seem pretty close. Bradley mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:35:00 -0500 "Marian Hollinger, Bradley > Omanson" writes: > > > Has anyone on this list ever attempted such a project-- or know > > of anyone who has? I'm completely hooked on the idea now, and > > willing to spend the next ten or twenty years (if I have that > > long), researching and working towards it. > > I've thought about it for a lllooonnnggg time. It's entirely > possible. I've even thought about scratching the engines to > 1/72nd. Actually, a lot of work. > > > First question, of course, is whether there is a train scale > > sufficiently close to 1:72. How far off is HO? What about the > > British OO, which I seem to remember someone mentioning when > > there was some discussion about WWI trains. And does anyone > > know where I can find a copy of "Narrow Gauge to No Man's > > Land?" > > As Michel said, HO is 1/87th, while OO is 1/76th. However, at > least with the US engines (which is what _Narrow Gauge to No > Man's Land_ is about), they were "narrow gauge", so keep this in > mind. > > > I expect the problem of a commensurable scale between trains & > > planes is the one biggest problem. You'd think the model plane > > industry would have come out with some lines of planes in RR > > scale-- a good way to expand their market. > > Well, G gauge (I believe) is in 1/48th, while one of the others > (S?) is 1/32nd. > > > If you Gents out there had the necessary funds, time and space, > > and were to set out reproducing an entire WWI French landscape, > > what would you do to get started? > > Money, is what it's all about. I have seen companies put out > engines for that time frame, but they're all out of England, and > quite expensive. > > Check out The Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette for more info > on this type of stuff. Actually, the publishers who put out the > No Man's Land book also publishes this magazine. > > The last Narrow Gauge magazine I have - 1994 - has the following > information to get the book: Benchmark Publications, Ltd., PO > Box 26, Los Altos, CA, 94023, USA; (415) 941-3823. It lists the > book at US $38.95. > > I would really like to continue this thread. Even if the engine > comes out non-operating, I still would like to scratchbuild one. > I'm just looking for more plans. > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:06:36 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > I would really like to continue this thread. Even if the engine > comes out non-operating, I still would like to scratchbuild one. > I'm just looking for more plans. I'm a 1/48th-er but am a bit fascinated about really small scales. Ever hear about trains in "Z" gauge? Z gauge is 1/220! I'm sure planes could be scratchbuilt at this scale. All you might need to build would be the basic shape of the wing on a piece of cardboard material. Markings a problem? IDEA! make some wing artwork in a larger scale, shrink to Z scale on a coloured photocopier and use that as wing art - insignia, camouflage and all! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:23:17 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <19970126.202457.13782.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:04:04 -0500 "Valenciano . Jose" writes: > I'm a 1/48th-er but am a bit fascinated about really small > scales. Ever hear about trains in "Z" gauge? Z gauge is 1/220! > I'm sure planes could be scratchbuilt at this scale. All you > might need to build would be the basic shape of the wing on a > piece of cardboard material. Markings a problem? IDEA! make > some wing artwork in a larger scale, shrink to Z scale on a > coloured photocopier and use that as wing art - insignia, > camouflage and all! Well, an easier "small" gauge is N: it's 1/144th, so finding aircraft is a lot easier, without scratchbuilding. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:23:17 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <19970126.202457.13782.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:56:39 -0500 "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" writes: > Thanks for the info & ideas, Matt. My server ate all my mssgs > today & this is the first post I've seen on this thread. If > there weren't too many others, could someone forward them to me? > Or just the best ones? Here's a twist on the thread. If one > were to leave out the question of trains for the time being-- > how feasible is it to do the rest of the landscape in 1:72 or > OO. One can get WWI soldiers, of course, in 1:72. Haven't seen > WWI-era civilians, though. The only other message was from Michel, and he just stated how each gauge related to scale. The rest of the landscape should be a cinch. One recommendation, if you haven't done landscapes before, is to pickup one of the model railroad books on doing landscapes. It will definitely help. As far as WW1-era civilians, you could try and modify the military types. Or, if you don't mind placing the civilians in the background, away from most things, then use HO gauge people. > I haven't seen a lot offered yet in the railroad mags I've > picked up in OO scale. Is it all in England, or are there > dealers for OO in the US? Do they offer anything in the way of > WWI-era vehicles? Or other paraphanalia? And how noticeable is > the visual difference between 1:72 and OO? 72 & 76 seem pretty > close. True, there is not alot offered "over here" in OO. Actually, I'm not so sure if OO still has a large following, at all. The Japanese have picked up on HO, so it seems to be as popular (and true to form ;-)) as 1/72nd. Ask Al about trying to find vehicles. It's not very easy, and you're better off scratching. Also ask Al about finding plans. Glen B. has some, but he's still been pretty mum about 'em. ;-) This endeavor is not going to be easy, if you're serious about it. If you are serious, I have an index of The Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette that lists the articles pertaining to this thread. Although I do not have those issues, you might be able to find someone who does. Here's an idea that I've been seriously thinking about, even though it's in 1/76th scale: "mount" a Matchbox Ft.17 on a flat bed, ready for transport. The problem is finding photographs of this. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 97 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <199701270246.VAA75080@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Matt wrote: > Well, an easier "small" gauge is N: it's 1/144th, so finding aircraft is a lot > easier, without scratchbuilding. ;-) I think N gauge is actually 1/160. Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:28:06 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Friday, 26 January 1917, Cachy Message-ID: <199701270328.WAA13090@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:39 PM 1/26/97 -0500, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >907. Fine day but so cold that I have had to melt the ink in my fountain >pen in order to write this tonight........ OK, I'll admit it, I love to poke fun at ECC. The above entry got me thinking about something I've been wanting to comment on for quite awhile. In the early morning, I climb into my car and invariably complain to my daughter about how cold it is. The car is a convertible, and we recently put the roof down in cold weather to get an idea of how cold it must have been in the airplanes. No heater, small, if any windscreen,cold temperatures and high altitudes musr have made for an unbearable situation. Yet one seldom hears any excessive complaints about winter flying except for the off-hand comments about fingers being frozen after a flight or Genet's comment about ink freezing. So, for this brief period, I'll lay off ECC and refrain from any comments about darling Gert. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:28:10 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Done at last Message-ID: <199701270328.WAA13100@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:50 PM 1/26/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:42:08 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net >(Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > >> NB: Revell Dr.1 in munchkin scale >> NL: Sinead O'Connor(Oh boy,can't wait to hear the comments on >> this one) > >Finally. Building in the correct scale, and listening to the >best music. Which Sinead disc, BTW? Let's see, it's something like "I do not want what I cannot have." The munchkin scale is driving me nuts, except that I've decided not to do any rigging on the tripe. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:17:33 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <199701270417.AA25113@ednet1.orednet.org> -Matt typed: > >Well, an easier "small" gauge is N: it's 1/144th, so finding >aircraft is a lot easier, without scratchbuilding. ;-) Actually, "N" gauge is 1/160th, I believe. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:34:02 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: > -Matt typed: > > > >Well, an easier "small" gauge is N: it's 1/144th, so finding > >aircraft is a lot easier, without scratchbuilding. ;-) > > Actually, "N" gauge is 1/160th, I believe. Yes, that's right. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 97 21:28:58 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <9700268543.AA854343370@mx.Ricochet.net> Joey, Actually the local robbery shop carries 1/200 gamepiece (white metal) WWI aircraft that are remarkably detailed; they really only lack struts, the top wings being joined to the fuselages via central solid tabs...I think they're around $4.00 Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/26/97 6:02 PM On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > I would really like to continue this thread. Even if the engine > comes out non-operating, I still would like to scratchbuild one. > I'm just looking for more plans. I'm a 1/48th-er but am a bit fascinated about really small scales. Ever hear about trains in "Z" gauge? Z gauge is 1/220! I'm sure planes could be scratchbuilt at this scale. All you might need to build would be the basic shape of the wing on a piece of cardboard material. Markings a problem? IDEA! make some wing artwork in a larger scale, shrink to Z scale on a coloured photocopier and use that as wing art - insignia, camouflage and all! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:14:58 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701270920.JAA00432@wallana> Pedro Soares pedro.soares@anaep.pt ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query > Date: sexta-feira, 24 de janeiro de 1997 23:38 > > On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:41:19 -0500 "Pedro Soares" > writes: > > > BTW What were your first modeling projects? Do you still > > remember them? > > Yes, unfortunately when I was young, I got off on the wrong foot. > Monogram's Dauntless and Avenger. I chalk those up to the > innocence of youth...;-) > 1/48??????????? glad to know you've grown old and wiser ;-) pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:00:15 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <199701271011.AA04528@egate.citicorp.com> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > Someone had written earlier that they were getting ready to do Klimke's > triplaane as soon as they could figure out how to do his "yellow anchor". In > getting ready to do my next kit, a 1/72 Fokker tripe, I noticed that the > Datafile special has the anchor in black and the tailplane in yellow. Blue > rider puts out a kit with the anchors in black also. Is this something the > color police should open a file on? > Mike Muth The datafile special was 'textually' amended in Windsock magazine soon after publication, by Alex Imrie, I think. Unfortfunately for us, Blue Rider had already issued the black anchor on their decal sheet. This was a classic case of Ray Rimmel reading yellow as black on the orthocromatic film. (What price Voss's yellow faced DR1..?:^)) Rgds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:27:51 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701271033.KAA00707@wallana> Pedro Soares pedro.soares@anaep.pt ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup > Date: quinta-feira, 23 de janeiro de 1997 21:37 > > > By the way Matt, My snail mail address is as follows: > > Pedro, the "package" is going out tomorrow. Hope it gets to you > on time. > Thanks again Matt. I can't wait to receive it. Anyway I've started work on the kit this weekend and I've already dealt with the wing trenches. I used the method proposed here by Rob : filling the canals with plastic strip and sanding away the excess, and it worked great. That could be a good omen.... I also used the liquid paper thing I mentioned before to fill in the circular mould depressions on the wings and it worked just fine too. The liquid paper is easily sanded and feathers quite well, unlike most fillers I know of Next step will be to sand away all the fabric representation on the wings and fuselage,since I feel that it really shouldn't be apparent. I would have to do it anyway since the sanding of the plastic fillings eroded quite a bit of the fabric representation on the wings. I still have my doubts about the struts though. You told me you simply butt glue them, but then again how do you get them to be glued at the right angle? Do you use some sort of jig for this? (Contributions from others would of course be welcome). I'll keep you updated on this project of mine pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:22:52 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <32ec8e19.7532808@relay.ping.be> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:28:08 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:56:39 -0500 "Marian Hollinger, Bradley >Omanson" writes: > >> Thanks for the info & ideas, Matt. My server ate all my mssgs --- snip --- >The rest of the landscape should be a cinch. One recommendation, >if you haven't done landscapes before, is to pickup one of the >model railroad books on doing landscapes. It will definitely >help. One thing you might do is to look at the wargames accessories. I have already used some of them for some diorama work. Anything around '25mm scale' should be considered. However, it's best to see the things before buying them because the various manufacturers have different ideas about what '25mm scale' really is. > >As far as WW1-era civilians, you could try and modify the >military types. Or, if you don't mind placing the civilians in >the background, away from most things, then use HO gauge people. Here too, it might be interesting to look in the various wargames figures ranges. Some of them are doing civilians (not that much, though) and you could find what you need. I suggest that you look in the bookstore for a good wargaming magazine to get the adverts as I don't really know what's available in your neighbourhood. Regards ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <970127073558_581127240@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-26 00:33:34 EST, you write: > >If you Gents out there had the necessary funds, time and space, and were >to set out reproducing an entire WWI French landscape, what would you do >to get started? Bradley, I and several of my fellow club members in Washington State were commissioned to do a diorama for the Fort Lewis Museum (The Military Museum of the Northwest) We were specifically tasked to commerate the first battle of the US I Corps under American Command and have it done by the 75th Anniversary of the battle. We also chose to depict a specific event, the first time American Infantry went into battle supported by American tanks. We worked to a specific display case size and if any of you are near the Museum, it should still be there. We used the museum refernces, the official US Army history of the Great War and the series of battlefiled guides put out by the American Battlefiled Monuments Commssion. We used maps and phots taken after the battle to recreate the apearance of the actual piece of ground during the attack. Our resident model railroader built the scenery using wood for the base and styofoam for the major terrain features. Plaster was then applied on top of it and a mixture of real dirt, static grass and water colors was used for the ground covering. His techniques can be found in back issues of US national railroad modelling mags. ( some of which he wrote) The tanks and infantry were collectively converted and painted by other project members. I seem to recall it taking several months to finish and was truly the result of several people pooling individual talents. There was (is?) also a large diorama created in a similiar method that was inherited from the Presidio or Fort Ord Museum around 1993. It was not on display but kept in the basement. This was about 6 foot by 4 foot and had a plexiglas cover. Bottom line is that I would recommend using mmaps and photo graphs to get a feel for the terrain and model from there. HTH, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:29:27 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: First Models Message-ID: My first models were (ironically, as someone else has said) a Mess. 109 and an F4F Wildcat in 1/72. Built with my dad, to whom I am grateful for sharing his love of airplanes with me. He's gone now, but would be thrilled to know I am into WWI planes. I had always built WWII and later, as he did by that time. His last WWI effort was an Aurora DRI in the Lola! scheme from "The Great Waldo Pepper". Best regards, Jack Berlien j-berlien@ti.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:21:03 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Offer to the group Message-ID: <199701271921.OAA17986@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I need to publicly apoligize to Al. When the IPMS/USA site came > on-line, I email them the list URL to add. The site mainter > thought I was the author, to which I responded that Al was the > author. Well, it took almost two months for them to change it on > the site. Unfortuntaley, the mainter wrote an article for it in > the latest Journal, and he perpetuated the mistake. > > I believe it has been corrected on the site. > > So Al, my apologies. I should have stated right away that the > site was yours, and not mine. No big deal - thanks for the correction. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Offer to the group Message-ID: <199701271925.OAA18016@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > >JF: Aeroclub Bristol Scout 'D' > >NB: Pegasus Pfalz D-III > > Siemens Schukert D-I (Kitbash of a Revell Nieuport 17) > > Pegasus Sopwith Dolphin > > Al, how is the SSW D.I kitbash coming? I, for one, want to know. Just started - nothing to report yet, basic trimming and obtaining of parts, dryfitting, etc. This takes up the Bristol's 'slot' on the workbench. > Also, what's your opinion on the Aeroclub Scout? Similar to the Avatik, slightly thick wing cross sections, rib detail is light (which I guess a lot of you people prefer). Metal bits included are nice and comes with 2 cowling options. Add Lewis or vickers gun at your own option. I don't build to quite the detail level of most of the members of the list since I use my models for wargaming (they get handled a lot) so I wouldn't know if the kit is off 1mm here or there. > Matt > mbittner@juno.com > > nb: Revell 1/72nd Nieuport 28 Any tips on painting the US squadeon cammo pattern on this baby? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:22:59 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Offer to the group Message-ID: <19970127.142438.14614.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:27:00 -0500 AEW@unh.edu (Allan Wright) writes: >> nb: Revell 1/72nd Nieuport 28 > > Any tips on painting the US squadeon cammo pattern on this baby? What I'm planning on doing is to reduce the drawing in the Datafile to 1/72nd, and use this to cut out paper (or "index card") masks. The drawing itself appears to be in "non-scale", so it's just a matter of measuring the drawings wing, measuring the 1/72nd drawing's wing, and going from there. It's getting there, and I think it's looking wonderful. Once I'm at an almost complete state, I'll post on what I did to "correct", as well as super-detail. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:25:31 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <199701272325.SAA18615@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 05:14 AM 1/27/97 -0500, Graham Nash wrote: >The datafile special was 'textually' amended in Windsock magazine soon >after publication, by Alex Imrie, I think. Unfortfunately for us, Blue >Rider had already issued the black anchor on their decal sheet. > >This was a classic case of Ray Rimmel reading yellow as black on the >orthocromatic film. (What price Voss's yellow faced DR1..?:^)) AHA! I knew this was a matter for the color police...perhaps the internal affairs department.>;-o Thanks, Graham. If the anchor is yellow, what color is the tail? White? Then again, for me it is only idle curiosiity since I can't make my own decals and will wait for blue rider to fix their old one! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:25:34 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701272325.SAA18621@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Pedro Wondered >I still have my doubts about the struts though. You told me you simply >butt glue them, but then again how do you get them to be glued at the right >angle? Do you use some sort of jig for this? > >(Contributions from others would of course be welcome). What Ido is to glue the struts one at a time and let the set. I use the datafile as a tupe of guide to make sure the angle is correct. This might be hard to do if you are trying to do all 4 struts at once, but one at a time isn't too hard. Use regular styrene glue(Testors, etc) since it take a while to set and that will give you enough time to get the strut at just the right angle. Didn't the Airfix kit come with some sort of "wing holder" that allowed the wings to be held in place while you glue the struts in?( I don't know if the angle is right.) HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 414 *********************