WWI Digest 413 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: First Models by "Bill Ciciora" 2) DH-10A Bomb Bay by "Bill Ciciora" 3) Re: DH-10A Bomb Bay by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) Flying Machines Press Russian Book by ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) 5) Modeling a WWI landscape by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 6) Re: First models by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 7) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 8) Re: Modeling a WWI landscape by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:50:02 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: Pedro Soares wrote: > BTW What were your first modeling projects? Do you still remember them? I was about 5 years old (1959 or 1960), and it was a rainy day. My father brought out this (I'm guessing 1/48 scale or so) Viking ship model. We built it in an afternoon, no paint. I remember thinking it was cool that all the Vikings' shields were hung on the side of the boat, and each of them had their own decal. A few years later, after I had really gotten into modelling, I painted that sucker. Still have it too; can't toss it. First WWI model was the 1/72 Revell Sopwith Camel. This was after receiving the Milton Bradley 'Dogfight' game as a gift. After that, I built all the Revell 1/72 series. I remember they were only $0.50, and Testors paint was $0.10 a bottle. Last model before I went on hiatus was the 1/96 Revell USS Constitution. Now that I no longer have nimble little 10 year old fingers (it's not the eyesight, Matt, it's the dexterity), I build strictly 1/48. I got back into modelling as a result of computer flight sims, so I do have a couple suck-and-blow-jobs on the shelf: an F-16 and an F-14. But since Red Baron by Dynamix, it's been only WWI. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:04:33 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: DH-10A Bomb Bay Message-ID: The Profile document by J.M. Bruce (thanks Riordan) makes mention of an internal bomb bay on the DH-10, with bombs stored vertically. However, the drawings show no doors or cutouts where these bombs would actually be stored. Does the Datafile have any info about this? Did any DH-10s have external bomb racks too, or were they all internal? Finally, are there any references on WWI bombs? I'm thinking of casting some in resin for the DH-10. Bill C. nb: DML Fokker D.VIII nu: Aurora DH-10 nr: Two Headed Eagle (good adventure yarn on Austro-Hungarian WWI aviation) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:55:14 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: DH-10A Bomb Bay Message-ID: <199701260355.AA00858@ednet1.orednet.org> Bill C. typed: >The Profile document by J.M. Bruce (thanks Riordan) makes mention of an >internal bomb bay on the DH-10, with bombs stored vertically. However, >the drawings show no doors or cutouts where these bombs would actually >be stored. The bomb bay door was located immediately between the undercarriage attachment points, centered roughly mid-way between the leading and trailing edge of the wing. >Does the Datafile have any info about this? Did any DH-10s have external >bomb racks too, or were they all internal? The external bomb racks were not permanently attached - rather there were attachment points for external bomb racks just outboard of the engine nacelles. The actual bomb racks could be attached or left off as the situation and mission required. Interestingly, several post-war DH-10s were flown with mail containers attached to the bomb rack attachment points. If you need copies of the Datafile drawings, that can be arranged. Lemme know. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:30:27 -0500 From: ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) To: wwi Subject: Flying Machines Press Russian Book Message-ID: >Charles Hart wrote: > > There is supposed to be a series of books, the size of the Grosz et >al. Austro-Hungarian book, on German aircraft of WW I by Pete Grosz. I >have heard it will run 4 volumes, but this could be rampant speculation and >rumor. I had thought the first one would appear at the end of 1996, but >obviously, that didn't happen. These volume(s) are to be published by >Flying Machines Press. > > As for the Russian book, very nice looking, lavishly produced book >compiling information in one place that would otherwise be difficult to >find. Very pricey though. Personally, I didn't care for the Dietz >paintings that adorn it though. > > My US$ 0.02. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu Hello all! I will be seeing Peter Grosz sometime soon, when I do I will get the word on the subject. Next, although a great deal of work went into the production of The Imperial Russian Air Service published by Flying Machines Press, there are so many mistakes in it that I have a tabulation of over twenty (20) single spaced pages listing them all. It is unfortunate that all that work by so many contributors was published with that many errors. Lesson learned, always have your articles, papers, books anything you published proofed or double proofed by someone else in the field. cjb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:26:15 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <32EB2337.637E@host.dmsc.net> Gents, I've spent the past few weeks studying the world of model railroading and have been completely knocked out by some of the large layouts reproducing actual geographical locations, both urban & rural, with the most astonishing & meticulous accuracy. This is probably old hat to most of you, but I had never really realized what some modelers are capable of. And I was especially impressed by those layouts which reproduce certain historical periods, sometimes right down to the year. So naturally I began to visualize a layout reproducing some location along the Somme, or perhaps the Marne valley, circa 1916, or '18, say, with a rail-line, an aerodrome, the outskirts of a French village, a company of billeted troops, wheatfields, a wooded hilltop or two. You get the idea. Has anyone on this list ever attempted such a project-- or know of anyone who has? I'm completely hooked on the idea now, and willing to spend the next ten or twenty years (if I have that long), researching and working towards it. First question, of course, is whether there is a train scale sufficiently close to 1:72. How far off is HO? What about the British OO, which I seem to remember someone mentioning when there was some discussion about WWI trains. And does anyone know where I can find a copy of "Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land?" I expect the problem of a commensurable scale between trains & planes is the one biggest problem. You'd think the model plane industry would have come out with some lines of planes in RR scale-- a good way to expand their market. If you Gents out there had the necessary funds, time and space, and were to set out reproducing an entire WWI French landscape, what would you do to get started? I'd love to hear some of your pipe dreams. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 97 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: First models Message-ID: <199701260513.AAA67250@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Somewhere around five years old, I received my first model, a Blue Angels F11F. Other kits of my early youth which stand out in my memory are an Airfix Stug III, an Aurora Japanese I-19 and U-505, and a year long effort as a 10 year old with Revell's USS Constitution. I came late to WWI with Revell's 1/72 Camel constructed sometime in high school . Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:25:12 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <32eba0b4.28845124@relay.ping.be> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:34:49 -0500, you wrote: > >First question, of course, is whether there is a train scale = sufficiently=20 >close to 1:72. How far off is HO? What about the British OO, which I=20 >seem to remember someone mentioning when there was some discussion about= =20 >WWI trains. And does anyone know where I can find a copy of "Narrow=20 >Gauge to No Man's Land?" =20 > The HO scale is 1/87, the British OO scale is 1/76. IMO, it would be better to use OO stock as it is quite close to 1/76. From calcultaions I've made for my modelling, I've found that there is a disceprancy of about 0.7mm in scale for each 'real' meter. Regards. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:46:54 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Modeling a WWI landscape Message-ID: <32eca66d.30310333@relay.ping.be> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:34:41 -0500, I wrote: >The HO scale is 1/87, the British OO scale is 1/76. IMO, it would be >better to use OO stock as it is quite close to 1/76. I meant quite close to 1/72, of course. Regards ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 413 *********************