WWI Digest 412 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Reference Question by Shane Weier 2) Re: Reference Question by mbittner@juno.com 3) First Models by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 4) Re[4]: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet by "Shelley Goodwin" 5) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 6) Re: Re[2]: Smer Kits by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: Italian aircraft subjects (was yecchy off topic 109 stuff) by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: First Models by Lawrence Dunn 9) Re: First Models by Brian Nicklas 10) Re: Offer to the group by "S.M. Head" 11) Re: Re[4]: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet by "S.M. Head" 12) USS Texas Sopwith Pup by "S.M. Head" 13) Re: First Models by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 14) Re: First Models by gspring@ix.netcom.com 15) Re: Reference Question by Ray Boorman 16) Re: First Models by Ray Boorman 17) Re: First Models by "S.M. Head" 18) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Marty O'Connor & Austro-Hungarian aviation by Peter Kilduff 20) First models by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Reference Question by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: Reference Question by Carlos Valdes 23) Thursday, 25 January 1917, Paris, St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 24) Klimke's Anchor by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 25) Done at last by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) Re: First Models by Mark Shannon 27) Flying Machines Press by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 28) Re: First Models by aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) 29) Re: First Models by "Leonard Endy" 30) Re: Flying Machines Press by DavidL1217@aol.com 31) Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup by "S.M. Head" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:43:24 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Reference Question Message-ID: <01BC0AB4.F9B7E1E0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Sandy asks, >There was a colour side view of a W18 flown by Gottfried Bahnfield if I >remember correctly,in the 'Air Aces of the A-H Empire'series run in Scale >Models back in the 80's. >I don't have it in front of me just now but think it was about part 10 or >so, near the end of the 12-part series and must have been about 1983. > >Was this series ever collated and published as a book does anybody know? >It was by Martin O' Connor and included some superb photos and 3 or 4 >colour side views each month. It is surely the definitive work on its >subject. >Sandy It certainly was, and is a lovely companion to the great big A/H book. Costs about A$110 so i don't have it, except in my list. Incidentally, it includes all of the SMI series, plus more. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:01:33 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <19970124.200312.12526.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 20:48:28 -0500 Shane Weier writes: > Incidentally, it includes all of the SMI series, plus more. 'Fraid not, me chum. There are items in the SMI series that did *not* make it to the book. Plus, if you're totally pedantic about A-H stuff, then you have to get Dr. O'Conner's work that appeared in Cross & Cockade International, about Vol 17 to Vol 19, or somewhere around there (I haven't put all my C&CI stuff into my database yet). Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:23:40 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: First Models Message-ID: Pedro wrote: > BTW What were your first modeling projects? Do you still > remember them? I was five (in '68) and I struggled to put together some weird Halloween model of a hot-rod with a giant skull for a cab capped off with one of those big pointy biker's helmets. There were rubber bands inside the skull which made the jaw move, or something. I 'built' this in the back seat of my parent's car while we were travelling for the better part of a week across Canada to visit family. As for first WWI planes, they came in '75. They were the 1/28(?) (maybe 1/35) scale Revel(?) brown SPAD 13 and baby blue Fokker Dr.1. I hung them from my bedroom ceiling along with the Michell, Mosquito and Ju88! Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 18:32:00 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet Message-ID: <9700248541.AA854160369@mx.Ricochet.net> Scott, I'll get that stuff to you soon. How about rescribing at least the stringers on the inside of the fuselage to sharpen 'em up a bit? Might that work? And also, I meant using brass wire and/or tubing to facilitate attatchment/stiffening of the wings. The Snipe looked pretty good, but didn't have the metal stuttage. No decals either in the box I looked in... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/24/97 7:43 AM >Scott, > >Just ordered it today from Sopwith, and then got a look at it at the local >robbery shop. Will you use a balsa core/brass spar for the wings? What about >pushrods on the Clerget? Nope, I'll simply snd the wings smooth and use sprue for ribs, embedding them in an appropriately sanded and smoothed layer of filler putty (auto body filler, like John Alcorn showed in the book "Scratchbuilt") or the engine, I'll probably just use wire. >I have the Profile for the Bullet, and although a lot of them were apparently >finished in PC12 (and PC10?) for Macedonia, Palestine, & Salonika there were >a >few training sq. machines that were not only gaudy but quite silly. These >unusual schemes are touched on in the photos and even the color plates. One >has >a frowning face painted on its oversized spinner, while another has fish >scales... >I can copy & send you the Profile. Super! Here's my address- Scott Head 4343 Alysheba Lane Frriendswood, TX 77546 If you ever need abything at all from me don't hesitate to ask! I appreciate your effort! >Looked at the Lone Star Snipe today-do you have this one too? No, I have a Lohner (1/72), Sperry Messenger (1/48), Felixstowe (1/48), and the Bullet. I've had others in the past, but they were really early examples of Mikes work and I just trashed them. Real bad stuff. I've seen most of his other kits, and they all follow the similar quality as the Bristol. I also have a few of his civil war boats, and they are fairly decent too, just stay away from the CS Hunley, as it's recently been proven waaayyyy off in accuracy. Cheers! Scott Head Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:30:54 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701250330.WAA07355@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:41 AM 1/24/97 -0500, Pedro Soares wrote: > > >BTW What were your first modeling projects? Do you still remember them? Lets see.....By Father built and I "helped" build an early 50's bomber....prop with propellers mounted on the read of the wings, sort of like a pusher! Don't remember much except that it wasn't painted. I think the next one was a Blue Angels jet...again not painted but molded in "Blue Angel" blue. First WWI airplane was the Revell 1/72 Albatros. All red so no painting required!?! Many years and many jars of paint later, I'm still at it after a break of some 25 years or so. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:30:58 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Smer Kits Message-ID: <199701250330.WAA07359@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:31 AM 1/24/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > >Smerophiles, > >I guess I got jipped. All my kits apparently have the 'old' trannies, washed-out >red stars for the SVA and Bebe, markings alleged to be for one of Collishaw's >Camels, a training Sq 504, and '4' of #24 Sq. for the DH2. >Oh, well. Riordan While not a guarantee, look for the "new" boxes....nice artwork and on the back they show paint schemes. I haven't seen the SVA yet, but the Bebe markings are quite nice. I thought the Belgian markings came with the Collishaw markings.... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:30:59 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Italian aircraft subjects (was yecchy off topic 109 stuff) Message-ID: <199701250330.WAA07369@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:11 PM 1/23/97 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: There are also great markings for Hanriot HD-1s if you don't mind building vacs! > > >Or hold on to your wallet, Eduard will have a nice new 1:48 injection kit >in your hands this year (if previous reliable delivery is anything to go >by) > >I want at least a few Shane They keep promising/tempting. I'll believe this when I see it....then I'll promptly go broke buying a bunch! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:54:08 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <32E9AE10.14F4@mail.idt.net> My first model: an Aurora Panther. My first WWI aircraft -- a DML Fokker D VII, which still lies unbuilt, awaiting research on my part as to color and insignia. It'll happen eventually . . . Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 23:15:27 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <199701250418.XAA07591@pease1.sr.unh.edu> First kit: Revell Mercury-Redstone. Loved it. First WWI, shortly thereafter: Eldon Matchkit Albatros and Fokker D.VII. I'd buy them buy the handful, because I could paint them different, and my older brother was swiping them and blowing them up, so I had to keep up with the losses...;-) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:02:26 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Offer to the group Message-ID: <9701242324.aa14924@mail.iapc.net> Matt wrote: > >I need to publicly apoligize to Al. When the IPMS/USA site came >on-line, I email them the list URL to add. The site mainter >thought I was the author, to which I responded that Al was the >author. Well, it took almost two months for them to change it on >the site. Unfortuntaley, the mainter wrote an article for it in >the latest Journal, and he perpetuated the mistake. > >I believe it has been corrected on the site. > >So Al, my apologies. I should have stated right away that the >site was yours, and not mine. Hi Matt- I should have been a bit more "with it" when I propogated the misunderstanding. I'll take the blame for this one, as I've known all along that Al was the man behind the scenes at the WWI site, but just didn't stop to think about it long enough to get it right in my original post. I sent him an apology myself via private email too, so hopefully I'll be redeemed in the eyes of our fellow list members! Sorry all for the blunder! Humble Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:02:27 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[4]: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet Message-ID: <9701242337.aa15015@mail.iapc.net> Riordan typed: > Scott, > > I'll get that stuff to you soon. Thanks! I appreciate the help! > How about rescribing at least the stringers on the inside of the > fuselage to sharpen 'em up a bit? Might that work? If you mean scribing the fuselage stringers from the inside to create raised stringers on the outside, I had considered it. I still like the sprue method though, as the plastic is quite thick on my sample's fuselage. I always liked the sprue and putty method, as I've been able to get super results. I did Aeroclub's Pup not long ago (that's why Eduard released theirs, just as I finished the vacuform!!!) and got some really satisfying stringers on the upper fuselage behind the wood decking. If the Bristol's plastic was thinner, I'd probably try scribing. What type of tool do you use to impress the stringers into the plastic? I've used ballpoint pens with good results before, > And also, I meant > using brass wire and/or tubing to facilitate attatchment/stiffening of > the wings. Oh yes, indeed I will, but just a very short segment will actually penatrate the fuselage since they'd be visible in the cockpit if they came through more than a few millimeters. I hope to use the rigging as it was intended on the real article- as support for the wings. I did it with an Eduard Morane Saulnier N and it worked out quite well- just cant handle it by the wings! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:02:28 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <9701242346.aa15244@mail.iapc.net> While there is so much Pup-talk going on, does anyone know if there were any differences in US Naval Sopwith Pups as opposed to standard Pups? Other than floats, I was curious if there might be some other fiddly bit I'll overlook as I jump headlong into my Eduard kit. I'm planning to do the Pup that was launched off USS Texas, with "Texas" emblazoned accross the linen fuselage side. This is a "back-burner" project, so I probably won't have it far enough along soon enough to keep up my enthusiasm. Strangely, the urge to work on this neat variant always creeps up and causes me to get out the kit! Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:06:48 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <199701250506.QAA08489@world.net> >Pedro wrote: >> BTW What were your first modeling projects? Do you still >> remember them? > I seem to remember them being sailing ship models - the Nina and Pinta made by Airfix? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:54:23 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <1997124235254641@ix.netcom.com> Hello all! My first model? The Aurora 'Albatross D-3' (sic). Purchased for 69 cents from Jennings-Shepherd Hardware in Roanoke, Virginia and built one summer afternoon circa 1956. The Testors tube glue took a bit of varnish off of the dining room table and yes, my mother helped me to build it. Cheers! Greg PS My very good friend Tom Eisenhour brought me a Cohiba Churchill tonight. May you all be blessed with pals like him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:56:57 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <32E9AEB9.66D0@lynx.bc.ca> Sandy, the side view and plan veiw of the W18 are in the Air aces book. In fact Banfied's aircraft get 1 1/2 pages of colour plates, of which the W18 gets a side view and a plan view. Other aircraft are Hansa-Brandenburg CC A.24, Oeffag Type H A.11 and a Lohner Type T L.47. The two AH books by flying machine press, are really great works. Expensive but worth every penny, my wife bought them for my birthday/christmas present a couple of years ago. (Otherwise I probably would never have got them) On a similiar subject Was it rumour or is there supposed to be a multi part volume on German Aircraft in preparation? Has anyone seen the Russian book? is it similiar format to the Austro Hungarian Army Aircraft book? Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) nb Pegasus 1 1/2 Strutter (This seems to never end) Heinkel He 51B (Wrong period but hey its a biplane) > Sandy asks, > > >There was a colour side view of a W18 flown by Gottfried Bahnfield if I > >remember correctly,in the 'Air Aces of the A-H Empire'series run in Scale > >Models back in the 80's. > >I don't have it in front of me just now but think it was about part 10 or > >so, near the end of the 12-part series and must have been about 1983. > > > >Was this series ever collated and published as a book does anybody know? > >It was by Martin O' Connor and included some superb photos and 3 or 4 > >colour side views each month. It is surely the definitive work on its > >subject. > >Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:10:30 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <32E9B1E6.20C4@lynx.bc.ca> First Kit: Airfix Churchill Tank. First kit Finished: Airfix BF 109G (hehehehehe ironic isn't it. however it was 25 years ago. You should have seen the mottled paint scheme it was three dimensional! First WWI: Aurora or Lindeberg Fokker Eindecker. One of the in the box scale models. Geez that was a long time ago. I thought I made a good job of it too. Painted it 3 times as I kept wrecking the paint. (Some things never change). Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 04:13:37 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <9701250344.aa17237@mail.iapc.net> Well, what the heck! My first model? "The Swamp", "The Cave", and one of the Disney "Pirates of the Caribbean" (The skeleton on a small Island) series models from Aurora, all built simultaneously! What I wouldn't give to have just one of them now, boy just think of the bucks I could get! I built a Monogram B-17 in one day when I was 10, and wouldn't you know it- it took half a package of firecrackers to scrap it! As for WWI, my first was an Airfix DH-4, and I loved it. Rigged with furry black sewing thread and painted yellow underneath (That's what it looked like on the box). I still have it too, collecting dust on my shelf at work. Cheers! Scott Head PS: And Greg wrote: >PS My very good friend Tom Eisenhour brought me a Cohiba Churchill tonight. > May you all be blessed with pals like him. Ahhhhh. Arturo Fuente Flor Fina 898 would make for a good pal too! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:02:08 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <199701251002.AA09651@ednet1.orednet.org> In yesterday's episode, Scott was saying: > >While there is so much Pup-talk going on, does anyone know if there were >any differences in US Naval Sopwith Pups as opposed to standard Pups? Other >than floats, I was curious if there might be some other fiddly bit I'll >overlook as I jump headlong into my Eduard kit. I'm planning to do the Pup >that was launched off USS Texas, with "Texas" emblazoned across the linen >fuselage side. This is a "back-burner" project, so I probably won't have it >far enough along soon enough to keep up my enthusiasm. Strangely, the urge >to work on this neat variant always creeps up and causes me to get out the >kit! A Pup with floats? I've not seen this before (ya' learn something new every day!). What book did ya' find this 'un in? Was this Pup with floats carried by USS Texas during the war or post-war? For what it is worth, I've got Kilgrain's book "Color Schemes and Markings, US Navy Aircraft 1911-1950" which gives the "official" directives for Navy colors and markings during this era although, of course, the aircraft weren't always painted and marked in accordance with the official directives. Still, if you can give me a date, I can at least tell ya' what the official directives said as to how it _should_ have been painted and marked. Sounds like the makings of most interesting model. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 8:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: Marty O'Connor & Austro-Hungarian aviation Message-ID: <970125080450.20253a0e@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to: Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:06:43 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reference Question >Plus, if you're totally pedantic about A-H stuff, then you have >to get Dr. O'Conner's work that appeared in Cross & Cockade >International, about Vol 17 to Vol 19, or somewhere around there >(I haven't put all my C&CI stuff into my database yet). Let us not forget that the late Dr Marty O'Connor also produced the outstanding book _Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire 1914-1918_ (1986) which features GORGEOUS color drawings by Ray Rimmell (before he became rich and famous). Oh yeah, the book has beaucoup photos -- and is just plain interesting. On a scale of A to F, I give it an A+. PK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:54:28 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: First models Message-ID: <19970125.085646.6750.1.mbittner@juno.com> Well, after I got the Monogram stuff off my chest ;-) I forgot to mention what my first WW1 model was. Back in junior high (don't even *ask* me the year), I built a Sterling Peanut scale (that's a flying scale, for those not in the know) Fokker D.VIII. I knew nothing about it, so I kept it in the all red tissue that came with the kit. It flew for about 10 seconds, before coming down pretty hard. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:54:28 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <19970125.085646.6750.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:03:04 -0500 Ray Boorman writes: > Was it rumour or is there supposed to be a multi part volume on > German Aircraft in preparation? Has anyone seen the Russian > book? is it similiar format to the Austro Hungarian Army > Aircraft book? I'm pretty sure the German books are still coming out, due, I think later this year. However, I'm just speculatin'. The Russian book - if memory serves - is almost like the A-H tome. I don't have it, but I did a quick perusal of it at a local hobby shop. However, keep in mind that the *wonderful* French book is due sometime in March, and this should be *THE* book on French a/c subjects. From the ads I've seen, it's going to be quite wonderful. Can you say Nieuport's and Morane's? ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:22:38 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <32EA253E.7D8E@conted.gatech.edu> Ray, I have the Russian book. It's similar to the A-H tome in format but different in content in that, in addition to the a/c information, it devotes most of its pages to Russan pilots and designers; it even has color and text sections on medals and badges. There is indeed a multi-volume German entry in the works, but it seems it won't be available for a good while. It will be well worth wating for. HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:59:15 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 25 January 1917, Paris, St Just Message-ID: <32EA6613.4618@host.dmsc.net> 906. Fine day but cold. Up early and took the 9:35 train from the Gard de Nord for St Just, arriving about 11:15. Went out to the aviation camp and discovered that the escadrille had not yet come down from Cachy and isn't expected before tomorrow. Walked back to St Just with some pilots of one of the other escadrilles whom I knew and we all had lunch together and stayed around town during the afternoon. They got rooms to stay here for the night so I went to the Commandant of the town and asked for a requisitioned room. It was granted and I am spending the night in a comfortable room with a hospitable French couple. The room cost me nothing at all. Had dinner with my three friends of the 37th Escadrille in a little restaurant this evening. ********************************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:36:44 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Klimke's Anchor Message-ID: <199701251736.MAA09119@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Someone had written earlier that they were getting ready to do Klimke's triplaane as soon as they could figure out how to do his "yellow anchor". In getting ready to do my next kit, a 1/72 Fokker tripe, I noticed that the Datafile special has the anchor in black and the tailplane in yellow. Blue rider puts out a kit with the anchors in black also. Is this something the color police should open a file on? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:36:45 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Done at last Message-ID: <199701251736.MAA09123@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Well folks, since I've complained about it taking so long often enough, I am pleased(relieved?) to report that the Macchi Nieuport is finally done. Seeing as I made very minimal changes to it, I keep wondering why it takes sooooo long. I must admit that, without thinking about it, the first thing I did when I mentally said to myself "OK, Mike, you're done with this one"(I know, it makes me sound mental;-( ) was to put it into a steep bank and try for a split-s. No injuries reported to date...gotta get this one to my friend for his office before I screw it up! As an aside, I was glad to see others than myself who partook of the approved method of recycling old, fully made kits: blow the suckers up with firecrackers. Mike Muth NB: Revell Dr.1 in munchkin scale NL: Sinead O'Connor(Oh boy,can't wait to hear the comments on this one) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:57:14 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <32EA578A.28DE@ix.netcom.com> My first model started me out right. When I was five or six, my father and I built the old Aurora JN-4 'Jenny' together. I loved the look of the WWI planes and built a little collection of the Aurora and Lindberg (and Pyro?) that suffered from a cat who took it into his head one day to walk along the shelf I displayed them on and knock each one onto the basement floor. (But I did love that cat, anyway.) My wife understands my hobby, and last night she brought home a little gift for me -- the Lone Star C.S.S. Virginia kit. She thought it would look good on a mantle, especially when I add the Monitor. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:08:26 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Flying Machines Press Message-ID: Ray writes: >On a similiar subject >Was it rumour or is there supposed to be a multi part volume on German >Aircraft in preparation? >Has anyone seen the Russian book? is it similiar format to the Austro >Hungarian Army Aircraft book? There is supposed to be a series of books, the size of the Grosz et al. Austro-Hungarian book, on German aircraft of WW I by Pete Grosz. I have heard it will run 4 volumes, but this could be rampant speculation and rumor. I had thought the first one would appear at the end of 1996, but obviously, that didn't happen. These volume(s) are to be published by Glying Machines Press. As for the Russian book, very nice looking, lavishly produced book compiling information in one place that would otherwise be difficult to find. Very pricey though. Personally, I didn't care for the Dietz paintings that adorn it though. My US$ 0.02. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:22:04 -0500 From: aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <199701252022.PAA16311@focus.baynet.net> My first 'model' was given to me as a Christmas present by a doting aunt who greatly overestimated my cleverness. I was eight and it was a Clevland Models XF-88 which was all balsa stringers and tissue covering. In my first attempt I couldn't for the life of me imagine how I was going to attach this stuff together with CEMENT (as in "cement the nose cap to the first bulkhead". ( I never finished this kit and swore it traumatised me later in my modelling career as I tend to finish very few kits). The next Christmas, however, the same aunt sent me a Lindberg F-94 Starfire which was built and painted in an hour and I 'flew' that beauty for months. I was hooked on plastic. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:02:14 Eastern Standard Time From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: First Models Message-ID: <19970125180214.0002881e.in@legend.firstsaga.com> My earliest recollection was of some sort of Pyro sports car, it was all blue and built that way. First WWI was a Revell Dr.I, 1/28 scale that my future spouse gave me as a gift back in 1970/1971. The one I remember most was an early model of a Bonneville Salt Flats racer that was rubber band powered...I was pretty young then! Sure would be nice to still have them around. Len _ QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Machines Press Message-ID: <970125180213_1378994782@emout17.mail.aol.com> The next book out of the chute at Flying Machines Press is the French Aircraft of the First World War, a long overdue book! Release is set for March 1997. The German books will begin to appear in the not too distant future. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:30:41 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: USS Texas Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <9701251803.aa23205@mail.iapc.net> Bill wrote: >A Pup with floats? I've not seen this before (ya' learn something new >every day!). What book did ya' find this 'un in? Was this Pup >with floats carried by USS Texas during the war or post-war? I believe it's a post war experiment. A single Pup, floats and all, was carried on a catapult (?) upon one of the large turrets. I have a black and white drawing of the aircraft thet was published in the IPMS Journal in the 1970s, but it's all I have to go on. From the drawing, it looked like natural linen, at least the fuselage sides, and had the word "Texas" in black (?) running from just forward of the hor. stab. to the cockpit. Quite interesting. I've visited the USS Texas, but the only photo's available there show the aircraft from a distance and captioned as "observation/spotter plane". > >For what it is worth, I've got Kilgrain's book "Color Schemes and >Markings, US Navy Aircraft 1911-1950" which gives the "official" >directives for Navy colors and markings during this era although, of >course, the aircraft weren't always painted and marked in accordance >with the official directives. Still, if you can give me a date, I >can at least tell ya' what the official directives said as to how >it _should_ have been painted and marked. All I can say is that it would have been post war, but probably before 1925 when the Texas was refit. Looks like I'll have to do some "real" work to find this one out. > >Sounds like the makings of most interesting model. A Pup on floats would indeed be interesting. Kind of shameful, as the aircraft is one of the most elegant and pure biplane designs in my opinion. Sad that Im gonna mess it up with floats! Cheers, Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 412 *********************