WWI Digest 410 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Goerings White DVII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just by aew (Allan Wright) 3) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Joseph Gentile 4) Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 5) Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just by aew (Allan Wright) 6) Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just by aew (Allan Wright) 7) Genet's landing: it's at Pease1 by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: Sopwith Pup by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Sopwith Pup by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Reference Question by mbittner@juno.com 12) Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) 14) RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Shane Weier 15) Re: model contest - E-III by Jim Wallace 16) RE: model contest - E-III by Shane Weier 17) Re[2]: 20th Aero Squadron insignia/ DH4 scheme/Cooper by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Re[2]: Merian Cooper by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) MAG Fokker by "Shelley Goodwin" 20) Re: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe by "Shelley Goodwin" 21) 20th AIR Sqdn Insignia - OOPS! by gspring@ix.netcom.com 22) Re: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 23) RE: MAG Fokker by Peter Kilduff 24) 20th Aero addendum by gspring@ix.netcom.com 25) Re[2]: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe by "Shelley Goodwin" 26) Glue . . . one more time by Robert Godfrey 27) Good glue by Robert Godfrey 28) Re: Smer Kits by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:42:31 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Goerings White DVII Message-ID: <199701231742.AA13290@ednet1.orednet.org> Ray Boorman wrote: > >For ages I have wondered what the dark marks were on the wingtips of >this Aircraft. These show up really well on the white wings. I had heard >that the wings weren't white and the marks proved it. Well after looking >at the pictures in November/December Windsock of a DVII being restored >by the RAF museum, I have finally found out what they were. The Wingtips >on DVII's had black Circular patches to show where the wingtips could be >held. >They have White lettering in the circle saying "hier anheben". They show up particularly nicely in the photos of Goering's all-white D.VII - all-white, that is, except for the markings and insignia and those little black hand-holds on the wing tips. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just Message-ID: <199701231757.MAA01223@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Bradley Writes: *SNIP* > Molloy appears to have taken Parsons' story at face value, without checking it against > Genet's diary. Thanks for the correction - I added your information to the WWW page. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:02:19 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701231802.MAA29291@Walden.MO.NET> At 12:55 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY >WWI and how many build all kinds of models. > > I myself am currently restricting my efforts to warbirds of WWI . As a youth I built my share of 109's, 190's and P-51's. I then moved to Armor and built about 1000 Panzers. After a 15 year layoff I stumbled upon a modelling show in Evanston, IN while on a hockey tournament last year and the fever hit me hard. I bought a DML Stug III aus F. for $15.00 and promptly sank in well over $300.00 including a new airbrush, tools, paints, white metal goodies, dry transfers....the list goes on and on. I finally realized that this was my 1001 piece of German armor and decided to delve into something completely different. I recall as a child reading and re-reading a large book, almost coffe table size that had stories of MvR, Guynemer, Nungesser, et al... I cannot remember the title. This early passion coupled with Images of Hustad's work inspired me to move in a new direction. So, this is where I am now in my modelling life. I must admit however, that Minicraft Tiger I with the complete interior does look really nice.....Verlinden fenders and open storage bin, Modelkasten zimmeret.....hmmmm. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:11:16 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just Message-ID: <32E7F014.563A@host.dmsc.net> Allan, I just read over my corrections on the Genet page, and I realize they won't make much sense unless they include a paragraph explaining that Mason based his version of the story on Parsons' original account. I also see I that mistakenly referred to Mason several times as Molloy. So here is the corrected version-- containing a number of small changes-- would it be too much trouble to substitute it? Bradley ******************* As Douglas Jones pointed out, Mason based his rendering of Genet's first arrival at the landing field of the *Escadrille Americaine* on the original account by E.C. Parsons in his book *The Great Adventure*. It appears that Parsons and Mason were mistaken as to the location of Genet's foolhardy flight. It was not from Plessis Belleville to Cachy that Genet flew, but from Cachy to St Just, where the squadron was in the process of establishing its new base. I went back through all of Genet's diary entries for the period he was at Plessis Belleville, and not once did he ferry a Nieuport from there to Cachy, as Parsons (and Mason) recorded. Had he done so, particularly without specific orders as Parsons reported, I can't imagine he would have failed to mention it in his diary. He seems to have noted and described every flight he took in every machine throughout his training. The only plane he ferried in January 1917 was a Nieuport from Cachy to St Just, but he did so following the specific orders of Capt Thenault on 22 January. He had first arrived at Cachy three days before, on the 19th, by foot-- not by plane. The ferry flight from Cachy to St Just, on the other hand, *was* undertaken-- in accord with Parson's (and Mason's) account--under a very low cloud cover. Parsons was not actually present. He had left Plessis Belleville sometime earlier on that same day, the 22nd, and was making his way to join the squadron-- whether at Cachy or St Just is uncertain. When Genet arrived back at Plessis that evening, he was expecting to find Parsons, but learned that Parsons had left for the squadron that morning. So Genet did not see Parsons either at Cachy or St Just. It appears, then, that Parsons heard the story second-hand and misunderstood which field Genet had landed at-- and perhaps did a little embellishing regarding the part about flying without orders. Or perhaps when Genet landed at St Just, he invented the part about flying without orders himself. Mason appears to have taken Parsons' story at face value, without checking it against Genet's diary. If anyone discovers any other versions of this event, please let me know. Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:27:23 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just Message-ID: <199701231927.OAA01587@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > So here is the corrected version-- containing a number of > small changes-- would it be too much trouble to substitute it? No problem. Will do A.S.A.P. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing: it was St Just Message-ID: <199701231929.OAA01633@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Bradley, Check it out now. Thanks for the update, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:44:55 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet's landing: it's at Pease1 Message-ID: <32E7F7F7.2401@host.dmsc.net> Allan, It looks great! Very good of you to make a place for Genet at your aerodrome. Every landing field can do with a ghost or two. Now-- who out there has modeled Genet's Nieuport? Bradley Allan Wright wrote: > > Bradley, > > Check it out now. > > Thanks for the update, > Al > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:25:45 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <19970123.152750.13438.5.mbittner@juno.com> > By the way Matt, My snail mail address is as follows: Pedro, the "package" is going out tomorrow. Hope it gets to you on time. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:25:47 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <19970123.152750.13438.9.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:20:04 -0500 Ray Boorman writes: > Out of the models I now have wwi makes up about a third. The > rest range from between the war Italian Biplanes to the Avro > Arrow. I also have the usual stack of Mustangs, Spitfires and > Focke Wolfs. Probably the same as most others on this list? Easy, there bub. The only *one* of those I have is an already built 1/72nd Minicraft Spit Mk.XIVc. And that's it. I have *no* other Mustwangs, Fock-ie Dogs or Spitoon's in this house!! ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:25:45 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Pup Message-ID: <19970123.152750.13438.4.mbittner@juno.com> > BTW Matt have you seen my queery about locking the struts in > place? I'm thinking about using wooden struts (a frined on this > list suggested bamboo) or the kit parts after removing the piece > that locks them together and also after some sanding to > streamline them. Would drilling a hole in the exact location and > ading some sort of wire to the end of the strut to fix in place > do the trick? How do you usually do it? I usually use Contrail strut stock, most of the time just "butt" joined to the wings/whatever. However, some of the V-struts I usually scratch out of .015" plastic sheet. Again, "butt" joining. Sometimes I use the molded in location points, but only if they're in the correct location - which is not often the case. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:25:46 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <19970123.152750.13438.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:50:55 -0500 THENRYS@aol.com writes: > Here's one for the group. I'm putting off my 1/48 scale WWI > project for now (too many running as-is) so I went through the > stack and found the 1/72 Sierra Scale Hansa-Brandenburg W.18. I > will gladly admit that my reference material on aircraft of the > period pretty much stays to the more common types, so I came up > with a big zero on this one. If anyone has any pictures, > particularly of cockpit (yeah right!), engine (Hiero), or > strut/rigging arrangement, I would be most appreciative. I > could say I usually don't worry about it in 1/72 (fake it > scale), but some might get offended. Unfortunately, the only thing I have in my database is: A single photo in Cross & Cockade International, Vol 24 No 3 Windsock reviewed the kit in Vol 12 No 4 Good luck, and watch those jabs!! We just might put you in with those 10whatever people!! ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 10:07:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Lone Star vacs/Bristol Bullet Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854055376@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone have a Lone Star vac? Decent/accurate detail? Value? Do they come with decals/fiddely bits? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:40:17 -0500 From: aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701232140.QAA10449@focus.baynet.net> >At 12:55 PM 1/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >>This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY >>WWI and how many build all kinds of models. Finally, a thread I can answer to. My main interest is in early post WWII aircraft and oddball schemes. The only WWI kit I've made is a Lindberg 'Jenny' reworked as a JN-4Can. I eventually gave up on the rigging. WWI aircraft, although not my primary interest, continue to hold an indescribable (probably perverse) fascination for me and I now possess another kit thanks to this list that I look forward to tackling ... someday. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:51:31 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <01BC09CB.6A707FE0@pc087b.mim.com.au> >Easy, there bub. The only *one* of those I have is an already >built 1/72nd Minicraft Spit Mk.XIVc. And that's it. I have *no* >other Mustwangs, Fock-ie Dogs or Spitoon's in this house!! ;-) > >Matt Pastor Bittner, protector of the faith, over his lozenge patterned robes a string of prayer beads... Not beads you say? Model aircraft you say?? THAT teeny? One seventy second?? Oh Rimmel, whatever lengths will these fanatics go to next...... heheh (tongue in cheek mate) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:11:18 -0500 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Re: model contest - E-III Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970123221118.1fafa398@pop.atl.mindspring.com> >Jim : > >That was really impressive work. This was one of the few shows I've been to >recently where the amount of really good WWI stuff outnumbered the really >good WWII stuff. Were any of the other stringbags yours ? > >Todd Henry > Thanks. I also entered the 1/72 MS-N. I did it a while back and never entered it in anything, so I thought I'd put it in to support WWI a bit more. jw ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:49:33 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: model contest - E-III Message-ID: <01BC09D3.8594C440@pc087b.mim.com.au> Jim, You answered Todd by saying: >I also entered the 1/72 MS-N. I did it a while back and never >entered it in anything, so I thought I'd put it in to support WWI a bit more. Now THAT is the right spirit. Having done the same myself without holding much hope of actually winning anything, I have found enough interest from other modellers to at least give me an audience for my passion - and who knows, some of them may help support our suppliers by buying a kit and trying it. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:37:50 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: 20th Aero Squadron insignia/ DH4 scheme/Cooper Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854067408@mx.Ricochet.net> Greg, Thanks, but I'm not sure we're looking at the same 20th Aero Sq. insignia. The one I have has a stooped, bearded, apparently red-nosed man with a scarf in very dark (probably black) clothing, hat and shoes holding a round bomb w/fuse lit with his right hand while cupping his left 'flank' with the other. He seems to be posed this way in order to fit into the round border. You may have a later incarnation of the 20th's insignia... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron insignia/ DH4 scheme/Cooper Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/23/97 2:35 PM On 01/22/97 02:08:01 Riordan asked: > > Anybody have info on the colors of the 'crouching bomber' insignia of > the 20th of the 1st Day Bombardment Group, USAS? Were the late > American DH4s finished in PC10, and if so were the undersides of the > flying surfaces coated as well? > What's all this about Lt. Merian Cooper becoming a famous film > producer? >From page 192 of the Monogram 'USAAS & Air Corps. Aircraft Color Guide' vol. 1 The colors are very subdued but as follows: Backgound-light greenish grey with black border. Bomb on which figure is standing-OD with white 'ladder' marking on casing and dark green nose rings. Cape and trews (trousers to everyone but Sandy)-dark green. Lacing on trews, scarf around waist-white. Trim on scarf-dark green. Bandana-red and white striped. Forearms and face-flesh. Shirt-yellow. Grenade-black with yellow flame on fuse. Facial features, hair & moustache-black. Teeth-white. I can't answer for the color schemes of late DH4s or Mr. Cooper but William Wellman, who flew briefly for France as a fighter pilot in N.87 (see 'Foreign Legion of the Air' Windsock Vol.9 #1) became a great movie director. HTH Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:07:50 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Merian Cooper Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854067394@mx.Ricochet.net> Bob, Thanks. I know of Cooper through his founding of the Kosciuszko Squadron, and this aspect of his life is of particular (some would say obsessive) interest to me. Already got the book "Flight of Eagles". Audacious chap, that Cooper. YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Merian Cooper Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/23/97 2:13 PM Fellow Aeronuts: Not only did Mr. Merian C. Cooper go to Hollywood but he was the producer of: KING KONG 8TH WONDER OF THE WORLD, as well as The Searchers, The Quiet Man, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, for us aeronuts though he should be re- membered for having been a member of the "Kosciuszko Legion" a Polish Squadron formed during the Russo-Polish War of 1919/1920. They flew mainly Austrian Albatos's and I believe Ansaldo's. There is an out of print book dealing with this squadron the title slips me at the moment, maybe some list members out there know. Anywho these Post-WW1 flyboys flew against the fledgling Soviet Air Force. Yours, Bob Kalinak rkalinak@attmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:44:46 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: MAG Fokker Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854067417@mx.Ricochet.net> Did the MAG-built Fokkers merely have Berg D.I radiators slapped on the nose, or is it custom-designed for the D.VII? Also, was the engine a Hiero or ? and was it cowled over as my Blue Rider sheet suggests? What does MAG stand for anyhow? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:49:17 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854067427@mx.Ricochet.net> Is a K&B Tripehound worth anything, or can I build it? Best thing about it are the two pilot figs... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Aurora kits for sale Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/23/97 2:36 PM A fellow on rec.models.scale is selling the following Aurora kits: AURORA NIEUPORT 28,BRISTOL F2B BRISFIT $30.00 EA ALBATROSS C.III (BAG,NO DECAL),SOPWITH TRIPLANE(BAG, NO DECAL) $25.00 EA. BREGUET 14 $40.00 Direct inquiries to: Jean-Marc Perreault The Bregeut 14 is one of the better Aurora kits and not a bad price at $40.00 I also saw these in his list MODELKIT MORANE SAULNIER G $12.00 TOM'S FOKKER D.VI $18.00 AMT DH-4 $18.00 and in 1/72 ESCI FOKKER D.VII $ 3.50 --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:06:09 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: 20th AIR Sqdn Insignia - OOPS! Message-ID: <199712319440541@ix.netcom.com> Hi all! Last night I posted a response to a query on the insignia of the 20th Bomb Sqdn. However, I was looking a bit too far back in the Monogram book and so I gave the colors for the revised insignia as used in the 1920's or 30's. The insignia of the 20th as used on their DH 4s was rendered solely in black, grey and white as shown on page 189. There are two very good photos at the bottom of page 169 showing two variants of the insignia, one of which seems to be unfinished at the time of the photo. The caption states that the late DH 4s were overall 'khaki'. The hands and face of the first example are either light grey or flesh toned. The hands of the later example are white but the face has not yet been painted in. Both are surrounded by a white ring with the background being the base color of the aircraft. Sorry for any inconvenience! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:15:47 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe Message-ID: I would hazard that if an Aurora Tripehound in a bag is really worth US$25.00 (and this is perhaps questionable) then a K&B in a box would be worth at least this much. Of course, this doesn't account for the fact that there is now another 1:48 Tripehound kit available. Perhaps you should sell the K&B, buy the Eduard from J. Roll and pocket the difference. My US$ 0.02. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > Is a K&B Tripehound worth anything, or can I build it? Best thing > about it are the two pilot figs... > > Riordan > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Aurora kits for sale >Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet >Date: 1/23/97 2:36 PM > > >A fellow on rec.models.scale is selling the following Aurora kits: > >AURORA NIEUPORT 28,BRISTOL F2B BRISFIT >$30.00 EA > ALBATROSS C.III (BAG,NO DECAL),SOPWITH TRIPLANE(BAG, NO DECAL) >$25.00 EA. > BREGUET 14 >$40.00 > >Direct inquiries to: > > Jean-Marc Perreault > >The Bregeut 14 is one of the better Aurora kits and not a bad price at $40.00 > >I also saw these in his list > >MODELKIT MORANE SAULNIER G $12.00 >TOM'S FOKKER D.VI $18.00 >AMT DH-4 $18.00 > >and in 1/72 > >ESCI FOKKER D.VII $ 3.50 > > >--Jesse > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: RE: MAG Fokker Message-ID: <970123204621.202a612d@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Riordan: MAG stands for "Ungarische Allgemeine Maschinenfabrik A.G." [Hungarian General Machine Works AG (limited stock company)" according to the absolutely best -- bar none!!! -- source: _Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft ofWorld War I_ by Peter M. Grosz, George Haddow & Peter Schiemer (1993). >From the gorgeous photos and line drawings it surelooks like the Fokker D.VII(MAG) was a regular old D.VII with a slightly different radiator. PK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:25:39 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: 20th Aero addendum Message-ID: <199712319241056334@ix.netcom.com> Riordan, Upon closer examination of the color plate (using Optivisor and mini Maglite) the anarchist in question has a dark red nose and dark brown scarf. He is clutching a bomb in each hand. The bomb-throwing, cloaked anarchist was a common social pariah figure in political cartooning prior to the rise of Communism. They must have felt the need to modify him later. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 19:29:42 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe Message-ID: <9700238540.AA854076980@mx.Ricochet.net> Charles, Bought the K&B specimen b4 I knew about the Eduard, which I then purchased from John. I could stand to lose the K&B kit, but I just might have to hang on to the pilot figs-thought of casting them in resin... Anybody interested in a classic kit at a rock-bottom price? The Breguet is one I'd like to have... Who is currently in posession of the Aurora Tripe toolings? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Aurora kits for sale/K&B Tripe Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/23/97 5:58 PM I would hazard that if an Aurora Tripehound in a bag is really worth US$25.00 (and this is perhaps questionable) then a K&B in a box would be worth at least this much. Of course, this doesn't account for the fact that there is now another 1:48 Tripehound kit available. Perhaps you should sell the K&B, buy the Eduard from J. Roll and pocket the difference. My US$ 0.02. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > Is a K&B Tripehound worth anything, or can I build it? Best thing > about it are the two pilot figs... > > Riordan > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Aurora kits for sale >Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet >Date: 1/23/97 2:36 PM > > >A fellow on rec.models.scale is selling the following Aurora kits: > >AURORA NIEUPORT 28,BRISTOL F2B BRISFIT >$30.00 EA > ALBATROSS C.III (BAG,NO DECAL),SOPWITH TRIPLANE(BAG, NO DECAL) >$25.00 EA. > BREGUET 14 >$40.00 > >Direct inquiries to: > > Jean-Marc Perreault > >The Bregeut 14 is one of the better Aurora kits and not a bad price at $40.00 > >I also saw these in his list > >MODELKIT MORANE SAULNIER G $12.00 >TOM'S FOKKER D.VI $18.00 >AMT DH-4 $18.00 > >and in 1/72 > >ESCI FOKKER D.VII $ 3.50 > > >--Jesse > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:51:32 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Godfrey To: Shipmodel lists , wwi Subject: Glue . . . one more time Message-ID: <199701240351.VAA23083@sound.net> Hello Group I think we've just about exhausted the glue thing, but to my surprise my wife bought some special CA glue and I must admit that when she said "do you want any super glue" I thought she meant do I intent to keep using it. Naturally I said "yes." She ordered some form Silvo Hardware Co. HOME catalog and when it got here and she gave it to me I wasn't sure what to do with it since I have bottles and tubes of about every kind there is. Still, I opened it and was very happily surprised that it is a nice cross between regular watery superglue and the thick superglue gel. It won't really flow into cracks, etc., but it spreads and goes on easily and sets fairly fast. Its called Permatex Superglue Gel-matic and is a product of "Loctite" technology and is made in Italy. Although the caqtalog just shows a tube, It comes in a hard plastic dispenser with ribbed squeezers on each side to very accurately sqieeze what I assume is a tube inside the plastic shell. It costs $10 (US) for 2 of these 5 gm (.18 oz.) units and they certainly are very neat and easy to use and being a hard plastic shell won't get squished in your drawer on on the bench. If you're interested write or call: Home Silvo 3201 Tollview Drive Rolling Meadows IL 60008 1-800-331-1261. There's (of course) a "postage and handling" charge of $5 for up to a $30 order, so you might want to get a catalog and consider ordering other stuff too. Why does a mailorder house charge us for "handling" when that's their business and a natural business expense for every order they take? As far as I'm concerned it's just a scam to charge more and to avoid having to refund that part of the charge if the item is returned (you pay shipping both ways and they don't pay you for "handling" it). Well, enough of that . . . it's one of my pet peeves and I don't do much business with mailorder houses. In the past I've asked them to just mail items I want and not to "handle" them so they only need to charge postage. Anyway, it's good for a laugh. Regards to you all and no more from me on glue, Bob G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:51:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Godfrey To: wwi Subject: Good glue Message-ID: <199701240351.VAA23293@sound.net> Hello Group To my surprise my wife bought some special CA glue and I must admit that when she said "do you want any super glue" I thought she meant do I intent to keep using what I have. Naturally I said "yes." She ordered some form Silvo Hardware Co. HOME catalog and when it got here and she gave it to me I wasn't sure what to do with it since I have bottles and tubes of about every kind there is. Still, I opened it and was very happily surprised that it is a nice cross between regular watery superglue and the thick superglue gel. It won't really flow into cracks, etc., but it spreads and goes on easily and sets fairly fast. Its called Permatex Superglue Gel-matic and is a product of "Loctite" technology and is made in Italy. Although the caqtalog just shows a tube, what I got comes in a hard plastic dispenser with ribbed squeezers on each side to very accurately sqieeze what I assume is a tube inside the plastic shell. It costs $10 (US) for 2 of these 5 gm (.18 oz.) units and they certainly are very neat and easy to use and being a hard plastic shell won't get squished in your drawer on on the bench. If you're interested write or call: Home Silvo 3201 Tollview Drive Rolling Meadows IL 60008 1-800-331-1261. There's (of course) a "postage and handling" charge of $5 for up to a $30 order, so you might want to get a catalog and consider ordering other stuff too. Why does a mailorder house charge us for "handling" when that's their business and a natural business expense for every order they take? As far as I'm concerned it's just a scam to charge more and to avoid having to refund that part of the charge if the item is returned (you pay shipping both ways and they don't pay you for "handling" it). Well, enough of that . . . it's one of my pet peeves and I don't do much business with mailorder houses. In the past I've asked them to just mail items I want and not to "handle" them so they only need to charge postage. Anyway, it's good for a laughfor me, although they seldom see the humor in it. Regards to you all , Bob G. RG-KC-US ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:01:55 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Smer Kits Message-ID: <199701240401.XAA03289@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:15 AM 1/22/97 -0500, Sandy Adam wrote: > >I bought a stack of these ages ago and will probably never get round to >building them but now I see in the local Beatties toy shops that they have >all reappeared with new trannies by SuperScale (I think). >Now can anybody tell me how good the transfers are and if they might alone >be worth the fairly nominal cost of the kits. >Are they comparable to the Glencoe additions? >I haven't seen the SVA5 but I have the old original Artiplast with 'La >Serenissima' banners and lions and hope that this might be the subject of >the reissue? (rather than the laughable stained film that came with the >last Smer incarnation Sandy I haven't seen the new SVA decals. I just recently picked up the old Artiplast kit and love the Serenissima banners. It's on my "soon to do" list. The new Nieuport decals are very nice on the Smer kit. I'n not sure if all of the new boxes have new decals. The Soptwith Camel has decals for a Belgian plane, but the rondels are took light on the yellow portion so that the PC-10 shows through. Mike Muth ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 410 *********************