WWI Digest 409 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Head above the parapet... by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 2) Reference Question by THENRYS@aol.com 3) Re: Model show, E-III by THENRYS@aol.com 4) Re: Model show - EIII by Jim Wallace 5) Re: Reference Question by "Shelley Goodwin" 6) Re: Reference Question by "Valenciano . Jose" 7) Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by gspring@ix.netcom.com 9) Re: Reference Question by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 10) Aurora kits for sale by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 11) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by "Valenciano . Jose" 12) Re: BE2e question: No. 16 Squadron by DavidL1217@aol.com 13) Re: 20th Aero Squadron insignia/ DH4 scheme/Cooper by gspring@ix.netcom.com 14) Re: Head above the parapet... by gspring@ix.netcom.com 15) Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla by DavidL1217@aol.com 17) Re: Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? by "Douglas R. Jones" 18) Tom's Model Wks accesories for 1/28 Dr.I by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Re: Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 20) Re: Model show, E-III by Bob Norgren 21) Re: Smer Kits by Adrian Webster 22) Tuesday, 23 January 1917, Plessis Belleville, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 23) RE: Merian Cooper by rkalinak@atrmail2.attmail.com (cli Kalinak, Robert rkalinak NJ7380) 24) Re: Smer Kits by Jack Berlien 25) Genet's landing: it was St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 26) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Ray Boorman 27) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Ray Boorman 28) Goerings White DVII by Ray Boorman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:36:30 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Head above the parapet... Message-ID: >Carlos wrote: >> >>Bill, >> >>>Outside of the difficulty in getting accurarte 1/28th scale plans >>>to work from in making the corrections, there is no real reason >>>why, with some work, you couldn't turn out a real winner from >>>the Dr.I kit, especially if you utilize the two sets of etched >>>brass accessories that Tom's Model Works makes for this kit. >> >> What's included in the brass accessories sets? TIA. >> Carlos Bill responded: >One set is for the Spandaus with the perferated jackets, sights, ammo >feeds, and little fiddley levers and such. The other is for the >cockpit interior mostly - seat, pedals, and assorted levers and >gizmos. I seem to recall some engine details on this set as well. >I think I still have one of these down in the basement someplace - I'll >check tonight and see if I can find it and come up with a more >complete list. > Was there not also a set of 1:28 Spandaus from Fotocut in New York state ? any other Dr-I details from this source ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:46:56 -0500 From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Reference Question Message-ID: <970122154556_1211332562@emout02.mail.aol.com> Here's one for the group. I'm putting off my 1/48 scale WWI project for now (too many running as-is) so I went through the stack and found the 1/72 Sierra Scale Hansa-Brandenburg W.18. I will gladly admit that my reference material on aircraft of the period pretty much stays to the more common types, so I came up with a big zero on this one. If anyone has any pictures, particularly of cockpit (yeah right!), engine (Hiero), or strut/rigging arrangement, I would be most appreciative. I could say I usually don't worry about it in 1/72 (fake it scale), but some might get offended. (Just Kidding :) By the way, this is a great kit with beautiful vac parts and darn good fit with little effort. (Thanks Bob) Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show, E-III Message-ID: <970122154541_-2080269487@emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-21 18:38:44 EST, you write: << Thanks, the E-III is mine. It's the basic Eduard kit with some modifications. 1. The cockpit in the kit is quite in accurate. I reworked most of it using some parts from the kit (seat, control stick, bungee cord assembly, front panel), scratch building the rest. If anyone is interested, I can put up the cockpit drawings I made on my web page. >> Jim : That was really impressive work. This was one of the few shows I've been to recently where the amount of really good WWI stuff outnumbered the really good WWII stuff. Were any of the other stringbags yours ? Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:15:05 -0500 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show - EIII Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970122211505.1347ae38@pop.atl.mindspring.com> My web page is http://www.mindspring.com/~jmwiii. It's pretty weenie now, but I have a scanner and once I have the time I'll improve it. Hopefully later this month I'll have photos of the E-III up there. jw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:11:18 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: <9700228539.AA853971490@mx.Ricochet.net> On a cursory review, the library has nothing except a basic 3-V & photo from the Green & Swanborough book. I'll look through the musty C&Cs just to be sure. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Reference Question Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/22/97 12:52 PM Here's one for the group. I'm putting off my 1/48 scale WWI project for now (too many running as-is) so I went through the stack and found the 1/72 Sierra Scale Hansa-Brandenburg W.18. I will gladly admit that my reference material on aircraft of the period pretty much stays to the more common types, so I came up with a big zero on this one. If anyone has any pictures, particularly of cockpit (yeah right!), engine (Hiero), or strut/rigging arrangement, I would be most appreciative. I could say I usually don't worry about it in 1/72 (fake it scale), but some might get offended. (Just Kidding :) By the way, this is a great kit with beautiful vac parts and darn good fit with little effort. (Thanks Bob) Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:08:35 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 THENRYS@aol.com wrote: > Here's one for the group. I'm putting off my 1/48 scale WWI project for now > (too many running as-is) so I went through the stack and found the 1/72 > Sierra Scale Hansa-Brandenburg W.18. I will gladly admit that my reference > material on aircraft of the period ........ Isn't there a datafile on this one due out early this year? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:06:20 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? Message-ID: <32E6FFDC.7613@host.dmsc.net> Gents, I just looked at the page Allan put up on the Site about Genet-- Very nice! I see that my perhaps impetuous corrections of Molloy are also included, so I would like to enlist the keen sleuthing abilities of any historians on the List either to corroborate my corrections or refute them. The difficulty I found was in co-ordinating Molloy's account with Genet's diary. Molloy's account has no date, nor sources-- so I can't tell where he got his information. He speaks of Genet's landing at the squadron as his initial arrival at Cachy, only Genet had first arrived at Cachy a day or so earlier by car. Molloy seems to be describing Genet's initial arrival at St Just, as both his description and Genet's diary describe the very low clouds and mist. Thus I deduced that Molloy was describing the events of 22 January 1917, when Genet first arrived at St Just. I have checked all other Lafayette Escadrille sources at hand (and thanks to Bill Bacon I have a fairly complete library on the subject), but I am unable to find any corroborating accounts of this event. I would welcome any and all additional evidence as to when and where the event described by Molloy took place. Regards, Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:27:45 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <1997122202612419169@ix.netcom.com> On 01/21/97 21:32:12 Ray wrote: > >Urghhrhrhrhr :-( >I go off line for two days to move house and look what happens. The >dreaded Me 10........ Larry, for shame how could you mention such a >ahem Aircraft. Hey Larry. I bet you didn't expect the Styrene Inquisition. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:34:47 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Question Message-ID: >On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 THENRYS@aol.com wrote: > >> Here's one for the group. I'm putting off my 1/48 scale WWI project for now >> (too many running as-is) so I went through the stack and found the 1/72 >> Sierra Scale Hansa-Brandenburg W.18. I will gladly admit that my reference >> material on aircraft of the period ........ > >Isn't there a datafile on this one due out early this year? > The Hansa Brandenburg W.12 is the first Datafile for 1997 Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:43:36 -0500 From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Aurora kits for sale Message-ID: A fellow on rec.models.scale is selling the following Aurora kits: AURORA NIEUPORT 28,BRISTOL F2B BRISFIT $30.00 EA ALBATROSS C.III (BAG,NO DECAL),SOPWITH TRIPLANE(BAG, NO DECAL) $25.00 EA. BREGUET 14 $40.00 Direct inquiries to: Jean-Marc Perreault The Bregeut 14 is one of the better Aurora kits and not a bad price at $40.00 I also saw these in his list MODELKIT MORANE SAULNIER G $12.00 TOM'S FOKKER D.VI $18.00 AMT DH-4 $18.00 and in 1/72 ESCI FOKKER D.VII $ 3.50 --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:56:09 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: > On 01/21/97 21:32:12 Ray wrote: > > > >Urghhrhrhrhr :-( > >I go off line for two days to move house and look what happens. The > >dreaded Me 10........ Larry, for shame how could you mention such a > >ahem Aircraft. CORRECTION! IT'S NOT ME 10........ IT'S BF 10....... !!!!!! |-) |-( :-O Oooops, sorry, that wasn't me talking, that was my doppelganger. Happy modelling! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: BE2e question: No. 16 Squadron Message-ID: <970122213047_714716200@emout04.mail.aol.com> I am at the point of putting individual markings on my Czechmaster's BE2e prior to assembly. In choosing a subject, I wanted an armed aircraft which served on the Western Front. Most photos show HD units or training units. One subject intrigues me, A2815, the 39th victim of MvR. The markings and the goal post gun mount are there, except that the pilot is 'terribly rude' by standing in front of part of the squardon markings. In front of the fuselage roundel, there appears a white device which is not a second stripe as it angles up. The bare wood of the aft cockpit is exposed above the device. A nice display touch for a model. Can anyone advise what this marking should be or sources for this data? Hand made serials will be a trick. It appears that 8 point type may work. Otherwise it's white paint and drafting pen on decal film. Get this conquered and the RFC aircraft will be a piece of cake. Thanks, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:23:14 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron insignia/ DH4 scheme/Cooper Message-ID: <199712220214646334@ix.netcom.com> On 01/22/97 02:08:01 Riordan asked: > > Anybody have info on the colors of the 'crouching bomber' insignia of > the 20th of the 1st Day Bombardment Group, USAS? Were the late > American DH4s finished in PC10, and if so were the undersides of the > flying surfaces coated as well? > What's all this about Lt. Merian Cooper becoming a famous film > producer? >From page 192 of the Monogram 'USAAS & Air Corps. Aircraft Color Guide' vol. 1 The colors are very subdued but as follows: Backgound-light greenish grey with black border. Bomb on which figure is standing-OD with white 'ladder' marking on casing and dark green nose rings. Cape and trews (trousers to everyone but Sandy)-dark green. Lacing on trews, scarf around waist-white. Trim on scarf-dark green. Bandana-red and white striped. Forearms and face-flesh. Shirt-yellow. Grenade-black with yellow flame on fuse. Facial features, hair & moustache-black. Teeth-white. I can't answer for the color schemes of late DH4s or Mr. Cooper but William Wellman, who flew briefly for France as a fighter pilot in N.87 (see 'Foreign Legion of the Air' Windsock Vol.9 #1) became a great movie director. HTH Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:36:58 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Head above the parapet... Message-ID: <1997122213530411478@ix.netcom.com> On 01/22/97 05:40:10 Bacon Secundus wrote: >Just how bad are the Revell 1/28th kits? The Dr I and SPAD are good basic models which can benefit from a good bit of detail work. I think that the D VII can be made into a good model with a lot of surgery as outlined in Windsock. The Camel I wouldn't touch on a bet after seeing Eisenhour suffer the tortures of the damned over his top wing. >The FSM Benchtop review of the D VII didn't seem too bad. Not a well-researched review I think. >But what about the Pup, Camel and Dr1? Pup? Wot Pup? I know they're old, but are they inaccurate, or >just badly detailed? Since I'm a ship-model builder, I don't mind lots >of scratch-build to add detail -- including a wooden cockpit interior, >perhaps -- That would be nice for the SPAD. The SPAD is the early variant with the rounded wing tips. I am suspicious of the outline. Best to get a copy of the SPAD XIII Datafile 1/48 plans page and have an enlarging service blow up the plans to 171.5% of the original and compare. The Dr I is the easiest of the lot to do well. You can easily build the fuselage internal structure from 30 thou plastic rod. I am about 95% finished with mine. The Tom's Model Works etched German Cockpit set is worth it for the seat belts alone. The old IPMS USA etched Spandau sets are the best. These were developed by Burl Burlingame who has a web site called Pacific Monograph at http://www.pacifichistory.com. He may still have these available. The Fotocut company makes some good sets as well but none of their prop bosses/plates match up to the one on the Voss aircraft. E-mail me direct for more tips and references on the Dr I. Welcome to the list! Whereabouts in London do you live? Cheers! Greg 'In the kingdom of the blind (1/28th) a one-eyed (1/72nd) man is king! with apologies to Tom Waits... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla Message-ID: <970122211809_2091110535@emout06.mail.aol.com> secondly, the dark cabane struts could also be the shadow of the upper wing. The lozenge issue still remains to be solved. Are there other references to this aircraft? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla Message-ID: <970122211644_1378590339@emout10.mail.aol.com> As respects to the Star on the upper Port Wing surface, it appears very faintly on the lower photo, page 11, Datafile 21. This appears behind the pilot's right shoulder amidst the wear on the print. (I may 'see it' knowing what to look for) Perhaps original prints would reveal this better. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:16:34 -0600 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970123051634.391f62d8@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 09:22 PM 1/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >I just looked at the page Allan put up on the Site about Genet-- Very nice! I >see that my perhaps impetuous corrections of Molloy are also included, so I >would like to enlist the keen sleuthing abilities of any historians on the List >either to corroborate my corrections or refute them. The difficulty I found was >in co-ordinating Molloy's account with Genet's diary. Molloy's account has no >date, nor sources-- so I can't tell Bradley, I think I can help. The following excerpt comes from _The Great Adventure_ by E.C. Parsons. I quote starting at page 204: "While several of us were impatiently awaiting at the Pool at Plessis-Belleville our orders to go to the front, keeping our hands in flying all sort of old crates and spending our spare time in Paris, the boys at Cachy were cursing the uncomfortable living conditions and the foul weather that kept them earth-bound so much of the time. Lieutenant de Laage and Bill Thaw were huddled close to the little potbellied stove one particularly freezing, greasy day, trying to get warm. Weather conditons were vile and the cieling was so low that even the crows were walking. Patrols had all been canceled. Suddenly they were startled by the sound of a plane overhead, down so close to the barracks that the very walls vibrated. "Who the hell do you suppose that dumb cluck is?" Bill demanded. "Flying in weather like this! He better come down while he's still got his health." "The thought has probably occurred to him," De Laage answered dryly. "I don't see who it can be. There are no patrols out, and it's a certainty the Boches aren't flying in this muck." They were relieved a minute later to hear short, intermittent motorbursts acroo the hangar and the sound of a landing plane, followed by the steady roar of the rotary as it taxied in. A few minutes later the door of the mess room burst open, and on the wings of a great gust of snow-laden wind a short, muffled. fur-clad figure drifted into the room. Only the tip of a reddish, frostbitten nose and a pair of wide appealing blue eyes showed through the wollen wrappings. hastily the stranger unwrapped layer after layer of woolen and silk, then jerked off his helmet. De Laage gasped in surprise. The chunky little figure was topped by a thatch of short-cropped blond hair above the round, innocent, pink cheeked face of an infant. He didn't look a day over fourteen. His peach-bloom complexion showed no traces of ever having met a razor socially. He had a snubby nose, and there was a constant expression of pleased surprise at the wonders of the world in the wide-set blue eyes. He saluted snappily and in a high-pitched, almost girlish voice announced that he had ferried up a new Nieuport from Plessis-Belleville for the Escadrille. "Fine work, Corporal," De Laage congratulated him, "but it seems to me you were taking a long chance in this weather." "Oh, I just got so bored, Lieutenant, waiting at Plessis for my orders that when it looked as if the ceiling might life I just came on." That was one of Genet's most admirable characteristics, and he had many. He never let difficulties stand in his way. He just plowed through them to the best of his ability. He and Thaw shook hands with the cordiality of old friends, and De Laage suggested, since replacements were so badly needed and since his orders to join the Escadrille were probably somewhere in the works, that Genet simply stay instead of going back to Plessis-Belleville. The suggestionwas eagerly adopted, but it resulted in unforseen complications. When he didn't report back, his name was posted first as A.W.O.L. and eventually as a deserter. De Laage had quite a time straightening out his status. When Genet learned that he was officially termed a "deserter" in French army orders, he nearly went to pieces. What to us was merely a tremendous joke was something on the verge of tragedy for him." end quote There is more if anyone is interested! Thanks, Bradley for bringing this delightful character to life again. It is easy sometimes to forget that the planes we model were "offices" to real workers! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:12:22 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Tom's Model Wks accesories for 1/28 Dr.I Message-ID: <199701230612.AA04478@ednet1.orednet.org> Quoting myself: >Carlos wrote: >> What's included in the brass accessories sets? TIA. >> Carlos > >One set is for the Spandaus with the perferated jackets, sights, ammo >feeds, and little fiddley levers and such. The other is for the >cockpit interior mostly - seat, pedals, and assorted levers and >gizmos. I seem to recall some engine details on this set as well. >I think I still have one of these down in the basement someplace - I'll >check tonight and see if I can find it and come up with a more >complete list. Well, I did locate it although it is a little the worse for wear. I misremembered slightly as it is a generic kit for German aircraft details although most of the parts appear intended for the Dr.I (which, after all, was the only 1/28 German kit available when this was first produced.) Any way, ya' get: 2 seat backs 3 seat belts with the buckles and attachment fittings and all 2 seat support bracing 2 sets of rudder pedals (one set correct for the Dr.I, the other ???) 2 Dr.I throttles/fuel cock controls plus two what appear to be D.VII throttles. 1 Dr. I control column throttle plus two others (D.VII again??) 6 assorted propellor bosses A mess of control horns 3 sets of lifting handles (probably either Dr.I or D.VII) Several "mounting steps" (that's not the right name but ya' know what I mean.) A bunch of windscreen frames A mess of other fiddley bits which I'm not quite sure what they all are. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:49:28 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet's landing-- Cachy or St Just? Message-ID: <32E78888.31BB@host.dmsc.net> Doug, Thanks for quoting this! Very helpful-- somehow I overlooked it. This passage, quite obviously, is the basis for Molloy's account. The problem is, it doesn't seem to accord with Genet's diary. I can't find an incident in the diary (except his entry for Jan 22 which occured at St Just) that would accord with Parson's story, so either Genet didn't mention the incident (very unlikely)-- *or* the incident in question took place at St Just and not Cachy-- and Parsons got his facts wrong. Too bad Parsons didn't mention a date. Or, of course, I'm overlooking something myself-- always a possibility. Bradley Douglas R. Jones wrote: > > At 09:22 PM 1/22/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >I just looked at the page Allan put up on the Site about Genet-- Very nice! > I >see that my perhaps impetuous corrections of Molloy are also included, so > I >would like to enlist the keen sleuthing abilities of any historians on > the List >either to corroborate my corrections or refute them. The > difficulty I found was >in co-ordinating Molloy's account with Genet's > diary. Molloy's account has no >date, nor sources-- so I can't tell > > Bradley, I think I can help. The following excerpt comes from _The Great > Adventure_ by E.C. Parsons. > > I quote starting at page 204: > > "While several of us were impatiently awaiting at the Pool at > Plessis-Belleville our orders to go to the front, keeping our hands in > flying all sort of old crates and spending our spare time in Paris, the boys > at Cachy were cursing the uncomfortable living conditions and the foul > weather that kept them earth-bound so much of the time. > Lieutenant de Laage and Bill Thaw were huddled close to the little > potbellied stove one particularly freezing, greasy day, trying to get warm. > Weather conditons were vile and the cieling was so low that even the crows > were walking. Patrols had all been canceled. > Suddenly they were startled by the sound of a plane overhead, down so close > to the barracks that the very walls vibrated. > "Who the hell do you suppose that dumb cluck is?" Bill demanded. "Flying in > weather like this! He better come down while he's still got his health." > "The thought has probably occurred to him," De Laage answered dryly. "I > don't see who it can be. There are no patrols out, and it's a certainty the > Boches aren't flying in this muck." > They were relieved a minute later to hear short, intermittent motorbursts > acroo the hangar and the sound of a landing plane, followed by the steady > roar of the rotary as it taxied in. > A few minutes later the door of the mess room burst open, and on the wings > of a great gust of snow-laden wind a short, muffled. fur-clad figure drifted > into the room. Only the tip of a reddish, frostbitten nose and a pair of > wide appealing blue eyes showed through the wollen wrappings. hastily the > stranger unwrapped layer after layer of woolen and silk, then jerked off his > helmet. De Laage gasped in surprise. > The chunky little figure was topped by a thatch of short-cropped blond hair > above the round, innocent, pink cheeked face of an infant. He didn't look a > day over fourteen. His peach-bloom complexion showed no traces of ever > having met a razor socially. He had a snubby nose, and there was a constant > expression of pleased surprise at the wonders of the world in the wide-set > blue eyes. He saluted snappily and in a high-pitched, almost girlish voice > announced that he had ferried up a new Nieuport from Plessis-Belleville for > the Escadrille. > "Fine work, Corporal," De Laage congratulated him, "but it seems to me you > were taking a long chance in this weather." > "Oh, I just got so bored, Lieutenant, waiting at Plessis for my orders that > when it looked as if the ceiling might life I just came on." > That was one of Genet's most admirable characteristics, and he had many. He > never let difficulties stand in his way. He just plowed through them to the > best of his ability. > He and Thaw shook hands with the cordiality of old friends, and De Laage > suggested, since replacements were so badly needed and since his orders to > join the Escadrille were probably somewhere in the works, that Genet simply > stay instead of going back to Plessis-Belleville. The suggestionwas eagerly > adopted, but it resulted in unforseen complications. > When he didn't report back, his name was posted first as A.W.O.L. and > eventually as a deserter. De Laage had quite a time straightening out his > status. When Genet learned that he was officially termed a "deserter" in > French army orders, he nearly went to pieces. What to us was merely a > tremendous joke was something on the verge of tragedy for him." end quote > > There is more if anyone is interested! > > Thanks, Bradley for bringing this delightful character to life again. It is > easy sometimes to forget that the planes we model were "offices" to real > workers! > > Doug > -------------------------------------------------- > 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones > both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation > Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 > | djones@iex.com > -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:18:51 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show, E-III Message-ID: <32E71EEB.66BB@ne.infi.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > Speaking of which, how many of us plan on attending the US > Nationals? We should get together, and break Hustad's fingers. > ;-) Just kidding, he keeps me wanting to get better. Seriously, > though. Let me know, and I'll keep a list going of those who > will attend. Already have my hotel room and vendor table reservations. Bob Sierra Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:42:32 +1000 From: Adrian Webster To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer Kits Message-ID: <32E77859.1D8E@connexus.apana.org.au> Hello all, I've been lurking here for some time and finally decided to put forward my 2 cents worth! I have several of the WWI SMER kits (unbuilt, but have finished some of their other "off-topic" releases :-) > In addition to the SVA-5, I've the Camel, 504K, DH2 and Bebe. I > believe all the trannies (interesting choice of words; it's also Yank > slang for automobile transmission) are Propag. I've not actually tried > to use any of them, but they look OK, maybe a little light on the > roundel colors... > I've heard a lot of mixed reports about the propagteam decals, so I decided to try them out (on the 1/72 Fairey Fulmar). Yes, the lighter colours are slightly thin, BUT, IMHO I've yet to find decals that "snuggled" up to the model surface as well as these. After putting on the top clear coat, I had problems convincing club associates that the markings WERE NOT airbrushed! They also seem to do reasonably well on the 'pale' blue for the RFC roundels. Just about worth the AU$6.00 (us$4.50) for the decals alone. For what it's worth :-) Adrian Webster Melbourne, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:37:38 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 23 January 1917, Plessis Belleville, Paris Message-ID: <32E7AFF2.379F@host.dmsc.net> 904. Lovely clear day. Signed up to leave for good at the G.D.E. at Plessis Belleville this morning and packed up and shipped off my bag of clothes to St Just. Took 11 o'clock train back to Paris and lunched here at the Roosevelt with Major and Mrs Parker. Have a room here for the two nights. Went around to see Dr Gros this afternoon and met Chatkoff there. He is here on leave from the Legion and trying to return to the aviation corps again. Went over late this afternoon to see Paul Rockwell and his bride. Chatkoff, Zinn and a French filleul of Mrs Rockwell were there and Paul took us all out to dinner and afterwards we all went to the review at the "Olympia" and saw a very good show there, a better one than usual. Mighty glad to find Paul so well and happy in his new life. His wife, the daughter of a very wealthy and well-known Frenchman here in Paris is very attractive and pleasant. She speaks English very fluently and seems very jolly and unassuming. I like her very much. ********************************* from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:30:14 -0500 From: rkalinak@atrmail2.attmail.com (cli Kalinak, Robert rkalinak NJ7380) To: wwi, wwi (Multiple recipients of list) Subject: RE: Merian Cooper Message-ID: Fellow Aeronuts: Not only did Mr. Merian C. Cooper go to Hollywood but he was the producer of: KING KONG 8TH WONDER OF THE WORLD, as well as The Searchers, The Quiet Man, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, for us aeronuts though he should be re- membered for having been a member of the "Kosciuszko Legion" a Polish Squadron formed during the Russo-Polish War of 1919/1920. They flew mainly Austrian Albatos's and I believe Ansaldo's. There is an out of print book dealing with this squadron the title slips me at the moment, maybe some list members out there know. Anywho these Post-WW1 flyboys flew against the fledgling Soviet Air Force. Yours, Bob Kalinak rkalinak@attmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:00:48 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer Kits Message-ID: > >> Just out of curiosity, would anyone buy the other Smer kits from John > >> if he stocked 'em? I would; I've got to use that Propag lozenge on > >> something! > >> > >> Riordan > > > >Sure, I'd do it - but only the ones that are really 1/48 (i.e., the > >Alb.DIII) and not 1/50 (i.e., the DH2 as I've heard). Some of them are > >halfway decent kits, and they're <> ; I've even bought a couple of > >them for the pilot figures alone (gotta have something to hide the bent and > >mangled photoetch interiors of my Eduard kits!! ;-) > I'd buy the Smer kits from John, too. As a relatively new modeler, they are great for honing my skills at painting and scratchbuilding details. Best regards, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:37:01 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet's landing: it was St Just Message-ID: <32E7CBED.2532@host.dmsc.net> Gents, I went back through all of Genet's diary entries for the period he was at Plessis Belleville, and never once did he ferry a Nieuport from there to Cachy, as Parsons (and Molloy) recorded. Had he done so, particularly without specific orders as Parsons reported, I can't imagine he wouldn't have mentioned it in his diary. He seems to have noted and described every flight he took in every machine throughout his training. The only plane he ferried in January 1917 was a Nieuport from Cachy to St Just, but he did so following the specific orders of Capt Thenault on 22 January. He had first arrived at Cachy three days before, on the 19th, by foot. The ferry flight from Cachy to St Just was undertaken, in accord with Parson's (and Molloy's) account, under a very low cloud cover. Parsons was not actually present. He had left sometime early on the 22nd and was making his way from Plessis to join the squadron-- whether at Cachy or St Just is uncertain. (The squadron was in the process of moving from one to the other). When Genet arrived back at Plessis that evening, he was expecting to find Parsons, but learned that Parsons had left for the squadron that morning. So Genet did not see him either at Cachy or St Just. Anyway, Parsons evidently heard the story second-hand and misunderstood which field it was where Genet had landed-- and perhaps did a little embellishing regarding the part about flying without orders. Or perhaps when Genet landed at St Just, he invented the part about flying without orders himself. Molloy appears to have taken Parsons' story at face value, without checking it against Genet's diary. If anyone discovers any other versions of this event, please let me know. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:48:41 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <32E79669.2718@lynx.bc.ca> Jose, Ahah so this is one of these subtle plans to get more mention for the unmentionable, your such a sly fellow. I stand corrected, oh the shame of it to be incorrect on that particular Aircraft. :-( Ray Boorman Valenciano . Jose wrote: > > > CORRECTION! IT'S NOT ME 10........ IT'S BF 10....... !!!!!! > > |-) |-( :-O > > Oooops, sorry, that wasn't me talking, that was my doppelganger. > > Happy modelling! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:14:05 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <32E79C5D.1A0A@lynx.bc.ca> Just catching up with the stack of emails from the past 2 or 3 days, anyway nowadays I only build Aircraft, however in the past I have built everything from 54 mm napoleonics, to RC Aircraft. The RC stuff got too expensive though, not because of the price but more because of my flying skills. Kind of like what goes up sometimes comes down in lots of peices. :-) Out of the models I now have wwi makes up about a third. The rest range from between the war Italian Biplanes to the Avro Arrow. I also have the usual stack of Mustangs, Spitfires and Focke Wolfs. Probably the same as most others on this list? One of the models I would love to build accurately would be a photo recon Spitfire. There are so many models of the Spitfire but imho most just never seem to look quite right, not that they are innacurate just that they seem to miss something in the look of this aircraft? Ray Boorman > On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:55:14 -0500 Bob Norgren > writes: > > > This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build > > EXCLUSIVELY WWI and how many build all kinds of models. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:26:26 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Goerings White DVII Message-ID: <32E79F42.3E16@lynx.bc.ca> For ages I have wondered what the dark marks were on the wingtips of this Aircraft. These show up really well on the white wings. I had heard that the wings weren't white and the marks proved it. Well after looking at the pictures in November/December Windsock of a DVII being restored by the RAF museum, I have finally found out what they were. The Wingtips on DVII's had black Circular patches to show where the wingtips could be held. They have White lettering in the circle saying "hier anheben". Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 409 *********************