WWI Digest 406 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by Mark Shannon 2) Re: This List by Mark Shannon 3) SMER / Merit / etc. Nie 11 by Shane Weier 4) Re: Model show by DavidL1217@aol.com 5) Re: Model show by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 6) Re: Model show by DavidL1217@aol.com 7) Re: Model show by Carlos Valdes 8) Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla by DavidL1217@aol.com 9) Re: Model show by Carlos Valdes 10) Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] by "Shelley Goodwin" 11) Re: SMER / Merit / etc. Nie 11 by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re[2]: Model show by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address by "Shelley Goodwin" 15) RE: Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Shane Weier 16) Re: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address by Carlos Valdes 17) RE: Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by "S.M. Head" 18) Re[2]: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) Re: Model show by DavidL1217@aol.com 20) Re: Model show by "S.M. Head" 21) Re: Re[2]: Model show by "S.M. Head" 22) Re: Re[2]: Model show by "Rob " 23) Re: Re[2]: Model show by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Model show by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 25) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 27) Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla by Joseph Gentile 28) Eduard SS D-III by aew (Allan Wright) 29) Re: St. Louis Jasta by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 30) Re: Re[2]: Model show by Mark Shannon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:56:53 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <32E3F835.2481@ix.netcom.com> Lawrence Dunn wrote: > > Franco Poloni wrote: > > Franco > > To all:sorry for my english, I think it's quite ridicolous, but I will try , > > and try, and try, to learn it better > > I think your English is very good and far better than my Italian! Thanks > for your reply. > > Larry -- I agree with him. English is a really ridiculous language! (I've always wondered, do Italian students have to study Italian classes in their equivalent of high school and college to learn all the nuances? I keep getting this picture of the Monty Python routine where the Englishman from Jarrod's Cross is teaching conversational Italian to a room of Italians.) -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:04:51 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <32E3FA13.3287@ix.netcom.com> Jack Berlien wrote: > > This brings up some questions: > > 1) Who makes a nice looking gun set for the DRI? > 2) Why do they (Aurora, in this case) bother to tool up a > dashboard with instruments for the DRI model, when the DRI > didn't even have a dashboard? Wouldv'e been easier and more > accurate to leave it out, wouldn't it? > > > Best regards, > > Jack Berlien > j-berlien@ti.com -- Tom's Modelworks makes a set of 1/48 German Machine Guns in brass -- they are interesting kits in themselves. You need to supply card-stock for the main body of either type and a barrel. (you attach the detail parts to sandwich the plastic card to fill out the body of the gun.) -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:55:57 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: SMER / Merit / etc. Nie 11 Message-ID: <01BC0789.AF379260@pc087b.mim.com.au> GDay all, After our recent thread on the possibilities of the old Hawk testors Nie 17, I thought I'd dig into a dusty pile and retrieve a SMER Nie 11, if only to remind myself just what it's like. I must say that it isn't quite as crude as I'd recalled, and I figured a fair, if underscale model could be made without serious effort. I recall seeing, frequently, in print that the kit is actually 1/50 (that is, too small) BUT when the fuselage is compared to the best available drawings, it's actually too LARGE, maybe 1/46. Mmmm, top wing close to correct, bottom too short but chord is okay (these measurements are fairly loose, no point getting all AMS'ed over drawings which may not be accurate either) I intend to post a detailed how-to on this kit similar to that which matt cobbled together from contributions by ray Boorman, matt and I, however I'd like to know why the kit is usually flagged as 1/50 when it doesn't seem to be that at all (lower wing maybe excepted) Perhaps this is one of those kits which is several scales, and someone just picked one !! Any ideas? Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:25:25 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <970120202511_747947987@emout02.mail.aol.com> Hopefully, no one will enter lozenge covered Bf 109's in order to qualify for the prize. Probably use 5 colour instead of the proper 4 colour. IPMS judges: Don't be fooled! (Actually, some of the licensed built Bf 109 G's had 5 colour) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <199701210143.RAA19455@concord.televar.com> On 01/20, Todd wrote: >[snippage...] The E.III was most >impressive, with an incredible job done on the cowling area. The builder had >simulated the pitting-type degradation of finish in the metal, and it looked >great. Any ideas on how he did that ? Coincidentally, I was just doing this myself on my own EIII yesterday. Don't know if I could call the results incredible - or even great - but the result of my method looks close enough to the photos to be satisfactory. And it's very easy. First, paint the cowling parts and metal areas of the fuselage with a flat aluminum. Then, using a fine-tipped felt tip pen (black) draw a reasonable facsimile of the "swirly" (for lack of a better term) pattern on to the applicable parts. I used the close-up photos in the Datafile as a guide, also, it's a good idea to practice on some paper first. Once the ink is dry, give it a <<>> light overcoat of aluminum - I used almost a drybrush technique for this. This gives the pattern that you've drawn a silvery, darkgray appearance, over the lighter aluminum base. From a distance, it gives the "pitted" appearance, but up close the actual pattern becomes more evident, just like in the real thing. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <970120202308_580202830@emout10.mail.aol.com> As an OTF member, I am real happy to see your chapter reaching out into the modelling community! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:04:02 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <32E42412.32BE@conted.gatech.edu> I just found out that the E.III won a gold medal at the show. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla Message-ID: <970120205720_538546989@emout01.mail.aol.com> After I finish the kette of 1/72 currently on the workbench, I plan to build a 1/48 Tom's Modelworks Pfalz DIIIa. This will be a welcomed relief to my eyes. I need some input on the proper finish on this kit. I have the Aeromaster decals for Holtzem's DIIIa (Jasta 16) with the striking shooting star motif. My study of the photos in OFT and the Datafile lead me to believe that this aircraft had lozenge wings. In fact, the photo on page 11 of the Datafile shows a clearly darker surface on the wing panel and one can make out a lozenge or two. The struts appear to be in factory silver. (Brian Knights cover painting shows yellow struts) None of the artists' representations or review models have lozenge wings. What do you all think. I am leaning to lozenge wings (5 colour) and silber grau struts. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:14:07 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <32E4266E.7878@conted.gatech.edu> David, In spite of what some OTF members think, I believe that modeling can be a big part of the total WWI historical experience, and so do most the members of our chapter. The award will also be a way to attract people to our group. We'll be having a table at the model show too with displays (includin possibly a complete German airman's uniform) and information on both OTF and the Georgia Chapter. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 18:01:43 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853814890@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark, Thanks. I'll have to look 'em up. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/20/97 12:39 AM >> Shelley Goodwin wrote: >> > >> > Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? >> > Czechmasters? Is there a Datafile on this'un? >> > >> > Riordan Hey Riordan - Lone Star makes a Bristol M1C in 1/48, vac. (of course...) Sopwith Hobbies has it for $19.95. So no need to resort to scratchbuilding yet, assuming it's a decent kit (haven't seen it myself). HTH, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 18:36:15 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: SMER / Merit / etc. Nie 11 Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853814928@mx.Ricochet.net> I've one of those, and I started it over a year ago. It does look too big. You'll have to ream out the cowling to make room for an Aeroclub Le Rhone, and replace the empennage, but that's only the beginning. For a fiver though, you really can't complain. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: SMER / Merit / etc. Nie 11 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/20/97 5:00 PM GDay all, After our recent thread on the possibilities of the old Hawk testors Nie 17, I thought I'd dig into a dusty pile and retrieve a SMER Nie 11, if only to remind myself just what it's like. I must say that it isn't quite as crude as I'd recalled, and I figured a fair, if underscale model could be made without serious effort. I recall seeing, frequently, in print that the kit is actually 1/50 (that is, too small) BUT when the fuselage is compared to the best available drawings, it's actually too LARGE, maybe 1/46. Mmmm, top wing close to correct, bottom too short but chord is okay (these measurements are fairly loose, no point getting all AMS'ed over drawings which may not be accurate either) I intend to post a detailed how-to on this kit similar to that which matt cobbled together from contributions by ray Boorman, matt and I, however I'd like to know why the kit is usually flagged as 1/50 when it doesn't seem to be that at all (lower wing maybe excepted) Perhaps this is one of those kits which is several scales, and someone just picked one !! Any ideas? Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 18:42:22 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Model show Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853814938@mx.Ricochet.net> Isn't that particular cowling treatment/affect called 'burnishing' or something rather than 'pitted', being caused by radial polishing with a small disc? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Model show Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/20/97 5:47 PM On 01/20, Todd wrote: >[snippage...] The E.III was most >impressive, with an incredible job done on the cowling area. The builder had >simulated the pitting-type degradation of finish in the metal, and it looked >great. Any ideas on how he did that ? Coincidentally, I was just doing this myself on my own EIII yesterday. Don't know if I could call the results incredible - or even great - but the result of my method looks close enough to the photos to be satisfactory. And it's very easy. First, paint the cowling parts and metal areas of the fuselage with a flat aluminum. Then, using a fine-tipped felt tip pen (black) draw a reasonable facsimile of the "swirly" (for lack of a better term) pattern on to the applicable parts. I used the close-up photos in the Datafile as a guide, also, it's a good idea to practice on some paper first. Once the ink is dry, give it a <<>> light overcoat of aluminum - I used almost a drybrush technique for this. This gives the pattern that you've drawn a silvery, darkgray appearance, over the lighter aluminum base. From a distance, it gives the "pitted" appearance, but up close the actual pattern becomes more evident, just like in the real thing. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 18:19:33 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853814909@mx.Ricochet.net> Bob, Perhaps we should start a "Nazis in Space" support group, as I too find myself drawn to things like Lippisch ramjet-fighters, manned V-2s, and Sanger stratosphereic skip-bombers. Have you read Heinlein's "Rocketship Galileo"? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/20/97 9:59 AM This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY WWI and how many build all kinds of models. As for me I have found it impossible to restrict myself to one era, or even aircraft. My main interest is in obscure colors and markings rather than the history so I am all over the map from WWI to the 1970s. Lately have been more interested in WWII and Korean War aircraft because of all the new. beautifully done kits emerging...the Airfix Spit 22/24 and Seafire, etc. A friend who's been stationed in Korea brought back a 1/48 Minicraft bubble-top Spit 14E and I've spent several hours painting and putting the cockpit together...eventually it will be an Indian AF aircraft in natural metal with SEAC markings. Also working on WWII Egyptian aircraft including a Tomahawk (of which no pictures can be found, so am having to reconstruct a scheme, which is a fascinating process) and the conversion of the Aeroclub Demon to a Hawker Audax with radial engine. Also lately, I've been picking up all the "drawing board" space kits that are re-emerging from Monogram and Revell. Kits that I missed back in the '50s. Such as the Space Taxi and Convair Space Shuttle from 195? Projects that were designed by our "captured" German scientists following WWII. Hmm...perhaps in Luftwaffe markings for "Luftwaffe in Space, 1959" series!!! Now there's something to do for a local model contest! Bob Siera Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 18:48:38 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853815250@mx.Ricochet.net> Please post. TIA, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:28:17 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <01BC079E.F7875540@pc087b.mim.com.au> Bob asks: >This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY >WWI and how many build all kinds of models. and comments: >Lately have >been more interested in WWII and Korean War aircraft because of all the >new. beautifully done kits emerging...the Airfix Spit 22/24 and Seafire, >etc. I can's say that I feel "restricted" by building mostly WW1 era models, since I have made no conscious decision that I should do so, I just build what takes my fancy, and old ragwings are the commonest subjects. But I *do* model other subjects as the fancy takes me, and can easily put them into three themes, "Hawker Aircraft" from the inception of the company to the post war kero burners, "Yellow Wings", meaning, mostly between war USN aircraft, and "Classics", meaning anything else I fancy (but in reality, covering aircraft no self respecting airophile could resist, like the Spitfire.) OTOH the proportion of WW1 to all others stands at five or six to one over the last five years or so. Regards Shane nb. MS-L, Biff, W.4 just completed: Airfix F.Mk.24 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:54:35 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address Message-ID: <32E43DFB.3E8D@conted.gatech.edu> sopwith@worldnet.att.net (305)665-5730 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:28:07 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: RE: Re[2]: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <9701202301.aa16169@mail.iapc.net> >Bob asks: > >>This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY >>WWI and how many build all kinds of models. I for one have to admit to building anything with wings. I do, however, have a fondness for the days when you'd be looked at with raised eyebrows if you carried a parachute into the cockpit. Keep in mind that even our own Mad Norseman, one of our lists most celebrated WWI builders, builds incredible WWII goodies too. Mr. Hustad's work is really nice, whatever the era. I hope he rejoins us soon. BUT, I do like the fact that the list is solely and only a WWI list. Where else can we all gather, albeit electronically, to spin our yarns and swap info. What a great bunch of folks we have here! Cheers all! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 20:58:17 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address Message-ID: <9700208538.AA853823050@mx.Ricochet.net> Thanks. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sopwith Hobbies e-mail address Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/20/97 8:08 PM sopwith@worldnet.att.net (305)665-5730 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <970121002219_816500108@emout01.mail.aol.com> Oh don't get me wrong, I believe that modelling is probably the strongest hook that we have for attracting new members. (I was just kidding about some unscrupulous types who'd enter a Bf 109 as a WWI bird in order to win in a less crowded field. Just the product of a sick imagination.) The uniform and display is also a great idea. I hope that your chapter grows. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:58:25 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <9701210005.aa18083@mail.iapc.net> >On 01/20, Todd wrote: >>[snippage...] The E.III was most >>impressive, with an incredible job done on the cowling area. The builder had >>simulated the pitting-type degradation of finish in the metal, and it looked >>great. Any ideas on how he did that ? > >Coincidentally, I was just doing this myself on my own EIII yesterday. Don't >know if I could call the results incredible - or even great - but the result >of my method looks close enough to the photos to be satisfactory. And it's >very easy. First, paint the cowling parts and metal areas of the fuselage >with a flat aluminum. Then, using a fine-tipped felt tip pen (black) draw a >reasonable facsimile of the "swirly" (for lack of a better term) pattern on >to the applicable parts. I used the close-up photos in the Datafile as a >guide, also, it's a good idea to practice on some paper first. Once the ink >is dry, give it a <<>> light overcoat of aluminum - I used almost a >drybrush technique for this. This gives the pattern that you've drawn a >silvery, darkgray appearance, over the lighter aluminum base. From a >distance, it gives the "pitted" appearance, but up close the actual pattern >becomes more evident, just like in the real thing. > >Mark AHHH! Finally! I had asked a "how do I do that" question six or seven months ago, and I got some good replies, but Mark, you saved me! No I can dig out that old Revell Eindekker and have a go again! Persistence Pays! Thanks, Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:58:26 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Model show Message-ID: <9701210005.aa18084@mail.iapc.net> > Isn't that particular cowling treatment/affect called 'burnishing' or > something rather than 'pitted', being caused by radial polishing with > a small disc? > > Riordan Actually, I think its called "brushed", done with a small steel brush in a rotor tool. It's an actual factory finish, both for looks and to take off the top layer of corrosion from the metal. These days, when brushing is employed, its sealed with varnish or similar. I suppose that they could have done the same back then. Hope this helps, Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:15:11 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Model show Message-ID: <199701210618.BAA08322@newman.cris.com> In answer to the following exchange. > > Isn't that particular cowling treatment/affect called 'burnishing' or > > something rather than 'pitted', being caused by radial polishing with > > a small disc? > > > > Riordan > > Actually, I think its called "brushed", done with a small steel brush in a > rotor tool. It's an actual factory finish, both for looks and to take off > the top layer of corrosion from the metal. These days, when brushing is > employed, its sealed with varnish or similar. I suppose that they could > have done the same back then. > Scott Head The finsih in question was, I believe, done with sandpaper, by hand, in imitation of the "engine-turned" aluminum panels found on high-end autos of the era. This finish made oil stains less obvious and unsightly and was thus preferred by the mechanics, who otherwise had to keep everything polished. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:25:06 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Model show Message-ID: <199701210725.AA07865@ednet1.orednet.org> Rob diligently typed: > >In answer to the following exchange. >> > Isn't that particular cowling treatment/affect called 'burnishing' or >> > something rather than 'pitted', being caused by radial polishing with >> > a small disc? >> > >> > Riordan >> >> Actually, I think its called "brushed", done with a small steel brush in a >> rotor tool. It's an actual factory finish, both for looks and to take off >> the top layer of corrosion from the metal. These days, when brushing is >> employed, its sealed with varnish or similar. I suppose that they could >> have done the same back then. >> Scott Head >The finish in question was, I believe, done with sandpaper, by hand, >in imitation of the "engine-turned" aluminum panels found on high-end >autos of the era. This finish made oil stains less obvious and >unsightly and was thus preferred by the mechanics, who otherwise had >to keep everything polished. Well, my two cents worth on this is that examination of the "worms" that show up in the Fokker Eindecker photos pretty much eliminates the "sandpaper" theory - what ya' see in these photos just doesn't look like what you'd get with the hand application of sandpaper. Rather, I think the rotary wire brush (or similar) theory is the best. I had understood that this finish was originally the result of the early 20th century method of molding metal panels - especially highly curved panels like cowlings. Ya' got yourself a male mold in the shape of your cowling and laid a sheet of aluminum over it. Ya' then began flailing away with a hammer until your aluminum sheet was in the shape of your cowling mold, albeit covered with thousands of little hammer dings. To cover up the dings, ya' take a rotary wire brush and go over the entire surface. With really high priced autos, ya' kinda take your time and get the nice circular "engine turnings"; with less luxury craft, ya' just kinda run the brush randomly over the surface and ya' get the typical Fokker "worms". 'Course the problem with my theory is that _all_ the Fokker Eindecker panels, including the flat ones behind the cowl which were never beaten on with a hammer, have the "worms". My premise on that 'un is that they were hitting those panels with the wire brush to "make 'em match" the cowling and the other hammered panels. But, that's mostly guessing. Still, the 'worms' definitely appear to have been applied with some sort of rotary tool - either a wire brush or a burr - and not by hand with sandpaper. Hand sandpapering would give a completely different pattern than what is apparent in the photos. But, having vainly searched for a definitive reference on this, I readily admit all my thoughts are tentative. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:45:03 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <199701210845.AAA26905@concord.televar.com> >>Coincidentally, I was just doing this myself on my own EIII yesterday. Don't >>know if I could call the results incredible - or even great - but the result >>of my method looks close enough to the photos to be satisfactory. And it's >>very easy. First, paint the cowling parts and metal areas of the fuselage >>with a flat aluminum. Then, using a fine-tipped felt tip pen (black) draw a >>reasonable facsimile of the "swirly" (for lack of a better term) pattern on >>to the applicable parts. I used the close-up photos in the Datafile as a >>guide, also, it's a good idea to practice on some paper first. Once the ink >>is dry, give it a <<>> light overcoat of aluminum - I used almost a >>drybrush technique for this. This gives the pattern that you've drawn a >>silvery, darkgray appearance, over the lighter aluminum base. From a >>distance, it gives the "pitted" appearance, but up close the actual pattern >>becomes more evident, just like in the real thing. >AHHH! Finally! I had asked a "how do I do that" question six or seven >months ago, and I got some good replies, but Mark, you saved me! No I can >dig out that old Revell Eindekker and have a go again! Persistence Pays! > >Thanks, > >Scott Head Hey, anytime....after over a year on this list, I guess it was about time I contributed a "helpful hint" or technique, instead of just soaking up the knowledge from everyone else. Am glad I finally figured this out, 'cause the Eindekker is one of my all-times faves. Best of luck with yours! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:34:35 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701211234.HAA20550@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 12:55 PM 1/20/97 -0500, Bob Norgren wrote: >This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY >WWI and how many build all kinds of models. Well...er....um...ok, yes I do on a rare occasion model other than WWI. I did a Tamiya Brewster Buffalo recently that turmed out ok. I also read a magazine article on the French airforce in WWII before the fall of France. It was interesting and prompted a purchase of a Dewoitine 520 a Severesky P35(?) and a Hawk. Anything newer than that doesn't work for me....which explains why the space shuttle my daughter started 6 months ago still is sitting on the work table, partially done! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:34:36 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701211234.HAA20553@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:18 AM 1/20/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:43:37 -0500 Lawrence Dunn > writes: > >> Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. >> Weird error in the instructions: Schoepfel's insigna is referred >> to as Galland's in the instructions! > > > >I really must add a section to the FAQ: > >VII. That Me-10whateverthingie > >Never, EVER discuss this aircraft. Not only will the WW1 police >be on you, but so will most of the list members (at least, those >list members who are true to the faith). > >If you accidentally find yourself mentioning this "thing", then >penance is small. Build - and correct - any Merlin kit, or one >Airfix 1/72nd Dr.I > >If you discuss this "thing" on purpose, oh woe is you. You >*must* buy all list members a Czech Master resin of their >choosing. Then, you must build and correct *all* of the >following: > >- Glencoe 1/48th Albatros D.III >- Merlin 1/72nd AEG G.IV >- Airfix 1/72nd Dr.I >- Tauro 1/35th A7V - with original tracks, intact (no >substituting anything for any part of the track) > >After building and correction has been complete - and all list >members have their Czech Master resin *in hand* - then a >committee will be formed to determine if "you are worthy". If it >has been determined that you are ready to join the faithful >again, so be it. > >If a second offense occurs, then you will be banished, to build >*nothing but* Glencoe Albatros D.III's. > >Richtofen have mercy on your soul. Lawrence, I'm a public defender and have had to defend many hopeless cases. My advice if "Give up!" Throw yourself on the mercy of the combined committee of the scale police and color police and beg for forgiveness. Do penance voluntarily. Get into a 10 step program. Cut your hair.(This always help at sentencing) Be drug free.(This always screws up most of my clients at sentencing) Above all esle, keep modeling!;-}} Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:32:43 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Holtzem's Pfalz Dllla Message-ID: <199701211432.IAA18326@Walden.MO.NET> >What do you all think. I am leaning to lozenge wings (5 colour) and silber >grau struts. > Sounds like you went out and rented The Blue Max again...(just kidding). It would certainly be a striking model. I have this kit and would be interested to hear your building saga along the way. Good luck, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:53:24 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Eduard SS D-III Message-ID: <199701211453.JAA21128@pease1.sr.unh.edu> This may be old news to some but my rumor mill tells me that Eduard will be soon releasing the Siemens Schukert D-III in 1/72 scale. The model number is ED08-001 and the price is USD $19.99 Any idea how nice of a kit this is? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:46:27 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta Message-ID: <1997Jan21.094147.1155.1026922@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Just a quick reminder that the St. Louis (Missouri) group is meeting this Friday at 7:00 pm. If you are anywhere near the St. Louis area or happen to be in town your invited....same location as always Charlie. NB(still!): Sierra Spad A.4 and DML Fokker D V.II ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:53:18 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Model show Message-ID: <32E4E66E.3FAB@ix.netcom.com> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Isn't that particular cowling treatment/affect called 'burnishing' or > something rather than 'pitted', being caused by radial polishing with > a small disc? > > Riordan > <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if it is caused by brushing or hammering. I think the main ingredient in the look is the crystallization of the aluminum -- similar to the effect on a galvanized bucket. The working of the metal will lead to patterns like this as the crystals in the metal overleaf and spread throughout. This is a little different from the crystallization that causes "white metal disease", which is a separation of the metals in the white metal alloy (often the antimony reprecipitates out of the solution that is the alloy) tin and zinc also do this kind of crystallization because they have two forms that are both formed at room temperatures and they can interconvert. Aluminum crystals are not brittle and the pure metal (actually, at that time it probably contained about 1% silicon and a few other metals) does not precipitate. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 406 *********************