WWI Digest 405 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Halberstadt Cl II by "Valenciano . Jose" 2) Re: Visiting London by "Robert Woodbury" 3) Re: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] by "Shelley Goodwin" 4) test, don't read by "Valenciano . Jose" 5) Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Lawrence Dunn 6) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Shane Weier 8) Re: Hannover info by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 9) RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by "S.M. Head" 10) Re: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 11) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Philosophical Question by "Brian Bushe" 13) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by Franco Poloni 14) RE: My Own Introduction by Franco Poloni 15) Re: My Own Introduction by "Brian Bushe" 16) Re: Model show by THENRYS@aol.com 17) Re: Model show by Carlos Valdes 18) Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query by Bob Norgren 19) Re: This List by Jack Berlien 20) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by Lawrence Dunn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:09:47 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Franco Poloni wrote: > probably you have the Tom's Modelwork Halberstadt Cl II vacuform kit, the > box I saw was with resin fuselage and wings,(maybe a retooling?) that is why > I asked if someone knows the quality of the kit. Do wingribs align with the direction of flight or are they at right angles with the leading edge of the wing? My drawings say that the latter is right. I have the vacform version of this kit and the ribs follow the former description. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:26:35 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: Re: Visiting London Message-ID: <199701200126.JAA28855@cronus.per.dwr.csiro.au> Hi All, I'd just like to add a couple of comments here. I had a chance to visit the RAF museum for the second time in two years last June and the IWM for the first time, and this time went really well prepared to take photos. Here are some tips... 1. You can use a tripod in the RAF museum, just ask at the front desk as you buy your ticket. You will then need to wait for security to issue you with a special pass. After that- no problems! 2. Use a filter. Lighting in the museum is very good, I used 64ASA Kodachrome, at f11 with a tripod and the results are fantastic. However, without the use of a corrective filter all of your photos will have a strange green cast to them. 3. Take your time- there is heaps to see and photograph at the RAF museum. Certainly time well spent. 4. Taking photos in the IWM is a little bit of a problem. Since I shoot 99% K64 and it's not possible to use a tripod there I found it difficult to get the photos I wanted. I generally find flash ineffective in museum situations, too much space and too little light. However in the IWM, there in a large atrium area that is well lit by diffuse natural light where all of the important exhibits are, so it's not a huge problem and there are places where a camera can be seated so that shaking is not a problem. 5. Take lots of film. ;-) I'm no expert photographer, just someone who has taken a lot of photos in hangers and museums and have been really pleased with the results. I also get a lot of good comments from the guys at the model clubs at slide night, so I must be doing something right. Have a great time you lucky dog! Rob Woodbury ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 18:20:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Message-ID: <9700198537.AA853727170@mx.Ricochet.net> Ray et al, Thanks for the replies. I seem to recall a picture of a 1/48 scale Bullet in the WWI section of Scale Models Int'l some months back. Anyone care to hazard a guess at the price of the Waldo kit? I've a friend with a lathe, so I might just try and scratch it. Fluted fuselage would be the only difficulty...hmmm... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/19/97 6:28 AM Roirdan, Pegasus had one in 1/72. I've got one, Quite good, but not up to current Pegasus standards. As in more clean up, however I believe it was a copy of a Czechmasters. Also a Resin 1/48 scale was available from Waldo Models in England. However I have heard that these are crude and expensive. All my books are in boxes until after the big move tommorrow. However I would sware that there was info on the Waldo model in windsock last year. Probably an address too. If you are interested in the pegasus I can see if the models store where I bought mine has any more. I will be offline on the 19th and the 20th but email after and I will look. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) > Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > > Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? > > Czechmasters? Is there a Datafile on this'un? > > > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:19:05 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: test, don't read Message-ID: ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:35:38 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <32E3204A.98B@mail.idt.net> Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. Weird error in the instructions: Schoepfel's insigna is referred to as Galland's in the instructions! I have wanted to do Galland's Emil for a while (the E-4), and was all set to use the Hasegawa E-4 with a special decal set and the verlinden aftermarket package. But this kit is too much of a honey to pass up! Problem: it's an E-3. So I'm seeking suggestions on anything else you can think of to upgrade the Tamiya: I know the canopy is different, and I think I can cover this easily. Different cannons in the wings and deletion of nose cannon (which had already happened on many E-3s) are also no problem. Anything else of note? Cheers, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:49:20 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <199701200449.AA01277@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. For shame! -snips- >Problem: it's an E-3. So I'm seeking suggestions on anything else you >can think of to upgrade the Tamiya: I know the canopy is different, and >I think I can cover this easily. Different cannons in the wings >and deletion of nose cannon (which had already happened on many >E-3s) are also no problem. Anything else of note? Don't forget to add the cigar holder to the cockpit! Emmy one-oh-nines, indeed! Hmmmpf! :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "A penny saved" is just one more thing for the cat to knock off the dresser! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:25 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <01BC06E1.D5064F20@pc087b.mim.com.au> Larry, Larry, Larry, How COULD YOU !!! >>Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. Weird AAAAAAAarggh. Get out the garlic cloves, crucifix, silver bullets and holy books (Albatros Publications), a fiend is in our midst. Run away, run away............................... (Seriously, sorry I can't take this off line but I don't even know what one IS - my story and I'm sticking to it ) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:20:18 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hannover info Message-ID: >On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:25:30 -0500 "S.M.Sundberg" > writes: > >> Just received a Hannover C.III from Koster Aero Enterprises. >> (Neat kit, prompt service). I have discovered that the datafile >> for this plane is out of print. Any suggestions on other >> references? > >I'm hoping that the 'C.III' is a typo. If you're looking for >Cl.III information, here's what I show: > >Datafile #23 (which you already knew about ;-)) >Windsock Vol 9 No 5 did a review of the Koster kit >WW1 Aero #125 > >I also show the following for the Cl.IIIa: > >Over the Front, Vol 1 No 1 and Vol 6 No 4 >Windsock Vol 7 No 2 and Vol 11 No 3 did a review of the Eduard >kit >WW1 Aero #125 and 130 Some nice Hannover photos are to be found in Fliegertruppe 1914-18, vol. 1 by the late A.E. Ferko. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 01:22:05 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: RE: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <9701200055.aa07934@mail.iapc.net> Larry blasphemed: >>Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. Weird Larry, I think there is a counselor on this list that might be able to help you with your "emmy" problem. You see, some words are socially offensive in the list, and Willy Messerkeet's Mustang bait is at the top of our hallowed no-speak order. Long ago I was cured of this social inneptitude by many of our fellow ragwingers, and had to do pennance by building 10 Glencoe Albatross D.IIIs! (So if you REALLY must talk about the Tamiya kit, meet me behind the barn and we'll build the ours incognito.) With humble apologies for being too tongue-in-cheek, ;-b Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Message-ID: <199701200837.AAA16384@concord.televar.com> >> Shelley Goodwin wrote: >> > >> > Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? >> > Czechmasters? Is there a Datafile on this'un? >> > >> > Riordan Hey Riordan - Lone Star makes a Bristol M1C in 1/48, vac. (of course...) Sopwith Hobbies has it for $19.95. So no need to resort to scratchbuilding yet, assuming it's a decent kit (haven't seen it myself). HTH, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 05:52:12 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <19970120.045405.13294.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:43:37 -0500 Lawrence Dunn writes: > Hi. Just got the new 1/48th Tamiya Bf-109, and it's a beaut. > Weird error in the instructions: Schoepfel's insigna is referred > to as Galland's in the instructions! I really must add a section to the FAQ: VII. That Me-10whateverthingie Never, EVER discuss this aircraft. Not only will the WW1 police be on you, but so will most of the list members (at least, those list members who are true to the faith). If you accidentally find yourself mentioning this "thing", then penance is small. Build - and correct - any Merlin kit, or one Airfix 1/72nd Dr.I If you discuss this "thing" on purpose, oh woe is you. You *must* buy all list members a Czech Master resin of their choosing. Then, you must build and correct *all* of the following: - Glencoe 1/48th Albatros D.III - Merlin 1/72nd AEG G.IV - Airfix 1/72nd Dr.I - Tauro 1/35th A7V - with original tracks, intact (no substituting anything for any part of the track) After building and correction has been complete - and all list members have their Czech Master resin *in hand* - then a committee will be formed to determine if "you are worthy". If it has been determined that you are ready to join the faithful again, so be it. If a second offense occurs, then you will be banished, to build *nothing but* Glencoe Albatros D.III's. Richtofen have mercy on your soul. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:21:37 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Philosophical Question Message-ID: <199701201230.MAA14619@itl.net> Re: Philosophical Question > Again, it depends on the idiots that are judging. I've done > this with the lozenge on my D.VII - basically made a small > "wrinkle" in the decals - and said it's the way it should be. > Well, the flame-butt that was judging said that it was > disqualified because of the "flaw". And here's where my favorite > word of late comes in: Idiot. ;-) I've heard that story before Matt (on the list of course) and it started a train of thought. Look at practically anything around you with a view to modelling it. Notice the subtle textures that you will try to convey. Look at the main features that will have to be included and the minor details that you will at least hint at. Now notice the bits that don't look right. The way that wire sticks out, or the way that hand holds that pen. The way the weather has made that part of the building a funny green colour. If you modelled it like that no one would believe it! It gets worse with details on things no one else has seen (eg wrinkles on lozenge). So while people will not notice blatant cock-ups like say modelling a DVIII with fabric wings because they don't know better, they will penalise your accurate (and time consuming I bet) wrinkled lozenge because it looks wrong. I have to admit I would have thought it an error unless i knew who had done it and been able to give the benefit of the doubt. There seems to be a set of rules we have to follow, or model 'fashions' that some people consider to be rules. Sod them all. Who do you make your models to please? Brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:07:42 -0100 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970120150742.0067a174@lo.itline.it> At 10.35 18/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Here's another series of voyeuristic questions from a guy who came onto >the list looking for Stosstruppen and Cossacks but is being drawn, >Michael Corleone-like, into the air by this list: > >Is there a Gotha available in 1/48th scale? Yes, the Aurora kit, it is old and with some problems, but if you really want a 1/48 Gotha kit wait for the Sierra, is a vac, but I think it will require less work than the Aurora. > >The probable answer to this question leads to another question. I am a >bit frightened of vac, I must admit. I have built a Verlinden resin kit >of a Pak 43/41 (the "barndoor"), which came out quite nicely, but was >hell to build (the tiny parts attached to huge chunks of resin inevitably >crumbled and had to be reconstructed; you are probably smiling and >nodding). So, what's your opinion: is vac harder? well, if the quality is good, I prefer resin kits, but they are expensive and heavy, so you must pay attention to the undercarriages, must be in metal. Franco To all:sorry for my english, I think it's quite ridicolous, but I will try , and try, and try, to learn it better ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:07:44 -0100 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: RE: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970120150744.0068b1b4@lo.itline.it> At 23.01 18/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:03 PM 1/18/97 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: >>Mike says in a panic: >> >>>Wait! I was wrong....it wasn't Celcius but Farenheit! Doesn't that make= you >>>want to reconsider? >> >> >>Mmmm, lessee, -15F =3D=3D -26C >> >>Nope.=20 >> >>Shane > >Wimp! >Mike > > > where is the problem? you can save the money of the refrigerator to buy a lot of kits.:=B0) Franco=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:09:17 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <199701201319.NAA17303@itl.net> re: Re: My Own Introduction > That's nothing, we had 60 below wind chills...and we had to walk > uphill, both ways, to get to work!!! ;-) > > Seriously, though. Glen, who makes those resin DH kits? Czech > Master? Or are they Braille Scale? And you tell that 't t'young people of t'day and they'll nowt believe it! Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <970120100517_1691832234@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-18 21:02:20 EST, you write: << In the ideal scale :-) DML--two D.VIIIs and one D.VII Eduard--one each E.III, D.V, and Hannover In the other scale :-) Revell--one Morane N Eduard(?)--one D.VIII The Eduard 1/48 items and the D.VII were specially nice. It was good to see the first air war represented by more than one entry. In order to encourage this trend--and spread our name around a bit--the Georgia Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians will sponsor an award at the upcoming March IPMS show. Should anyone need further information about this show, please let me know. Carlos >> Carlos is correct. There were some really nice WWI kits there. There were two 1/48 Albatrosses, a D.V and a C.III (the two seater is I missed the designation). Both were well done, with the D.V in the wood grain decaling. This turned out better than I would have expected. The E.III was most impressive, with an incredible job done on the cowling area. The builder had simulated the pitting-type degradation of finish in the metal, and it looked great. Any ideas on how he did that ? Carlos, I'll contact you before the March show as I live in Spartanburg, SC, and I will probably be making it down for that one as well. (Fellow Techie, BTW) Cheers, Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:51:50 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Model show Message-ID: <32E39496.143E@conted.gatech.edu> Todd, Glad to hear you're in the general neighorhood and will be coming down in March. The E.III was built by Jim Wallace, a fellow member of the Georgia Chapter of the League of WWI Av. Hist.; he has some photos of another model in the gallery section of the WWI Modeling homepage, BTW. I haven't talked with him about how he did the cowling, but if you'd like I can give you his e-mail address so you can contact him. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:24:17 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic Tamiya Bf-109 query Message-ID: <32E347D1.6734@ne.infi.net> This brings up an interesting thread: how many of us build EXCLUSIVELY WWI and how many build all kinds of models. As for me I have found it impossible to restrict myself to one era, or even aircraft. My main interest is in obscure colors and markings rather than the history so I am all over the map from WWI to the 1970s. Lately have been more interested in WWII and Korean War aircraft because of all the new. beautifully done kits emerging...the Airfix Spit 22/24 and Seafire, etc. A friend who's been stationed in Korea brought back a 1/48 Minicraft bubble-top Spit 14E and I've spent several hours painting and putting the cockpit together...eventually it will be an Indian AF aircraft in natural metal with SEAC markings. Also working on WWII Egyptian aircraft including a Tomahawk (of which no pictures can be found, so am having to reconstruct a scheme, which is a fascinating process) and the conversion of the Aeroclub Demon to a Hawker Audax with radial engine. Also lately, I've been picking up all the "drawing board" space kits that are re-emerging from Monogram and Revell. Kits that I missed back in the '50s. Such as the Space Taxi and Convair Space Shuttle from 195? Projects that were designed by our "captured" German scientists following WWII. Hmm...perhaps in Luftwaffe markings for "Luftwaffe in Space, 1959" series!!! Now there's something to do for a local model contest! Bob Siera Scale Models ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:16:07 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: > > Hey Matt, lurkings great. I can get all the benefits without > > contributing!! I have been lurking a bit myself lately; my computer/Email has been down off & on for over a month now. I'm just now reading all the old mail. I saw some interesting comments on the Smer DRI, so I'll throw in my latest projects (late): Smer Sopwith Camel (my first WWI kit) Smer Fokker DRI (here's the mods I made): - Scratchbuilt new rudder (lost the first one) - Thinned down the struts & tail skid - Removed cast on markings - Cut out elevator and repositioned - Removed lumps and added control horns & cables - Rigging - Smoothed wheel hubs - Reversed direction of guage fairing in front of gun Painted in Lothar von Richtofen's colors as of March 13 crash: yellow tail, red struts, cowl, and wheels. Got to practice a little olive streaking in practice for the DML Kempf triplane. Monogram Fokker DVII - halfway done - using decals from Smer DVII for Udet's "LO!". Upcoming: DML Fokker DRI Eduard Albatros DV This brings up some questions: 1) Who makes a nice looking gun set for the DRI? 2) Why do they (Aurora, in this case) bother to tool up a dashboard with instruments for the DRI model, when the DRI didn't even have a dashboard? Wouldv'e been easier and more accurate to leave it out, wouldn't it? > > Just finished Roseplane's Caproni-Pensuti Triplane (Great Kit) > > and am currently working on an Eduard DV in the colours of Lt. > > Hans Joachim von Hipple. Next up will be one of the following: I know this topic is old to most of you, but what WERE von Hippel's colors? I assume you are doing the "arrow" scheme as shown in the Eduard kit, but as someone pointed out in the past, his plane has been depicted sometimes with lozenge, sometimes with wavy green/purple camo. pattern. Which is correct? Was the underside light blue? > Hey, most of Roseplane's stuff is pretty good. Sure, there's > some work to be had, but what WW1 kit doesn't? Plus, it's in the > correct scale. ;-) > > > Blue Max - Airco DH2 Finally, I have seen the Blue Max DH2 for $50. Smer DH-2 is $5 - what can I expect for the extra $45? Best regards, Jack Berlien j-berlien@ti.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:14:33 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <32E3EE49.43E6@mail.idt.net> Franco Poloni wrote: > > At 10.35 18/01/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Here's another series of voyeuristic questions from a guy who came onto > >the list looking for Stosstruppen and Cossacks but is being drawn, > >Michael Corleone-like, into the air by this list: > > > >Is there a Gotha available in 1/48th scale? > Yes, the Aurora kit, it is old and with some problems, but if you really > want a 1/48 Gotha kit wait for the Sierra, is a vac, but I think it will > require less work than the Aurora. > > > >The probable answer to this question leads to another question. I am a > >bit frightened of vac, I must admit. I have built a Verlinden resin kit > >of a Pak 43/41 (the "barndoor"), which came out quite nicely, but was > >hell to build (the tiny parts attached to huge chunks of resin inevitably > >crumbled and had to be reconstructed; you are probably smiling and > >nodding). So, what's your opinion: is vac harder? > well, if the quality is good, I prefer resin kits, but they are expensive > and heavy, so you must pay attention to the undercarriages, must be in metal. > > Franco > To all:sorry for my english, I think it's quite ridicolous, but I will try , > and try, and try, to learn it better I think your English is very good and far better than my Italian! Thanks for your reply. Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 405 *********************