WWI Digest 404 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: My Own Introduction by Shane Weier 2) Model show by Carlos Valdes 3) RE: My Own Introduction by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by "Shelley Goodwin" 6) Bristol Monoplane by "Shelley Goodwin" 7) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by "S.M. Head" 8) Re: Halberstadt Cl II by "S.M. Head" 9) Re: Bristol Monoplane by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Bristol Monoplane by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Bristol Monoplane by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 13) [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] by Ray Boorman 14) Re: My Own Introduction by GRBroman@aol.com 15) test mesage, please delete by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 16) Re: My Own Introduction by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:53:18 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <01BC05EE.998F6C40@pc087b.mim.com.au> Mike says in a panic: >Wait! I was wrong....it wasn't Celcius but Farenheit! Doesn't that make you >want to reconsider? Mmmm, lessee, -15F == -26C Nope. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:54:18 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Model show Message-ID: <32E17ECA.4BCC@conted.gatech.edu> Guys, I went to an annual local show in the Atlanta area today (there are three more of these coming up in the next two months--winter's a busy show time around here!) and picked up the Blue Max Nieuport 11 for a pretty good price. The model contest was dominated, in the A/C division, by WWII, as we might expect, but there were, surprisingly, several WWI entries: In the ideal scale :-) DML--two D.VIIIs and one D.VII Eduard--one each E.III, D.V, and Hannover In the other scale :-) Revell--one Morane N Eduard(?)--one D.VIII The Eduard 1/48 items and the D.VII were specially nice. It was good to see the first air war represented by more than one entry. In order to encourage this trend--and spread our name around a bit--the Georgia Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians will sponsor an award at the upcoming March IPMS show. Should anyone need further information about this show, please let me know. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:59:34 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <199701190359.WAA12939@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:03 PM 1/18/97 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: >Mike says in a panic: > >>Wait! I was wrong....it wasn't Celcius but Farenheit! Doesn't that make you >>want to reconsider? > > >Mmmm, lessee, -15F == -26C > >Nope. > >Shane Wimp! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:59:33 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <199701190359.WAA12935@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:35 AM 1/18/97 -0500, Lawrence Dunn wrote: >Here's another series of voyeuristic questions > >Is there a Gotha available in 1/48th scale? UhOh, here we go again. Depending on how you look at things, yes and no. Aurora did a Gotha that can be found without too much trouble. Now, if you want to make it "accurate" , whatever the hell that means, just wait and you'll probably get a million corrections. Maybe someone collected them from the last go-round? I've got the Aurora Gotha...molded in really neat red plastic. Some year I'll make it. > Who's your favorite DVII jock? Can you suggest a good book >(with color plates) focusing on the plane and its famous pilots? Not too sure about books, but the recent Datafile on the Flying Circus hasome good color plates and photos. Also, Over The Front, a quarterly magazine, has some excellent articles on D-Vii's with occasional color prints on the back of the magazine. If you need something copied, let me know. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 19:45:37 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <9700188536.AA853646770@mx.Ricochet.net> Larry, The only 1/48 Gotha I know of is the old Aurora/K&B kit which fetches anywhere from a few bob to $100 U.S. I have two. I remember hearing a rumor that Sierra may eventually do a vac in 'balloon' scale. If jock means 'fighter jock' or pilot, my votes go to a couple of Americans who served with distinction in the Great War but would "cover themselves in glory" after the Armistice. Coincidentally, they have the same 1st names with different spellings: Marion Aten and Merian Cooper. The former served with the RAF's #47 Sq. in South Russia in 1919/1920 and became one of the only aces of the Russian Civil War, flying a Camel against the first Soviet air force. The latter organized a squadron of Americans to fly and fight for Poland in the Russo-Polish War of 1920/21. If you wish to read more about these gents please visit "Wings of Revolution" (www.serve.com/rgoodwin). As for modeling-oriented books, the consensus is the Windsock Datafile series are about as good as it gets. These can be ordered at excellent prices from a list member, John Roll (rollmodels.com.) The D.VII Datafile is less than $12, if I remember correctly. Incidentally, I'm the list librarian; this means that in addition to the periodicals and books donated by the list members, I have references in my personal archive that are accessable via specific info or data requests. For example, I have Aircraft in Profile #25 which happens to be on the D.VII. You may either send me an SASE for photocopies or if you wish, I can color-copy the plate(s) as well for an extra dollar or two. You may alternately continue soliciting info/data from the list members. This has proved very successful for me. YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/18/97 7:40 AM Here's another series of voyeuristic questions from a guy who came onto the list looking for Stosstruppen and Cossacks but is being drawn, Michael Corleone-like, into the air by this list: Is there a Gotha available in 1/48th scale? The probable answer to this question leads to another question. I am a bit frightened of vac, I must admit. I have built a Verlinden resin kit of a Pak 43/41 (the "barndoor"), which came out quite nicely, but was hell to build (the tiny parts attached to huge chunks of resin inevitably crumbled and had to be reconstructed; you are probably smiling and nodding). So, what's your opinion: is vac harder? ps: couldn't get the Eduard Alb V, so impulse bought the DML DVII. Looks swell. Who's your favorite DVII jock? Can you suggest a good book (with color plates) focusing on the plane and its famous pilots? Any input on any of the above enormously appreciated! Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 20:00:26 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Bristol Monoplane Message-ID: <9700188536.AA853646780@mx.Ricochet.net> Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? Czechmasters? Is there a Datafile on this'un? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:26:35 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <9701182303.aa24483@mail.iapc.net> Larry inquired: >Here's another series of voyeuristic questions from a guy who came onto >the list looking for Stosstruppen and Cossacks but is being drawn, >Michael Corleone-like, into the air by this list: > >Is there a Gotha available in 1/48th scale? The old Aurora kit (injection molded) is still available from some collectors and at model show vendor tables. Be prepared to pay a high price for an original, lesser for later issues. It's not really very accurate, but an old Finescale Modeler had an article on accurizing it. I can look it up if you need the issue date. >The probable answer to this question leads to another question. I am a >bit frightened of vac, I must admit. I have built a Verlinden resin kit >of a Pak 43/41 (the "barndoor"), which came out quite nicely, but was >hell to build (the tiny parts attached to huge chunks of resin inevitably >crumbled and had to be reconstructed; you are probably smiling and >nodding). So, what's your opinion: is vac harder? Not really harder, anyone with patience and forsight can build one, it's just a bit more work. Planning the building a few steps ahead is all that really needs to be mastered. Removing the parts from the backing sheet is the most laborious thing you'll do. From there, it's basically like any other kit, but you don't have to remove all that junk from the interior and thin the walls just to detail a cockpit! Try one, I can't reccommend a good vac for beginners as I jumped in and ruined several expensive yet difficult ones when I started vacs, maybe someone else could reccommend "easy" WWI aircraft vacuforms suitable for beginners. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:26:36 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt Cl II Message-ID: <9701182303.aa24484@mail.iapc.net> >At 04.50 16/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >probably you have the Tom's Modelwork Halberstadt Cl II vacuform kit, the >box I saw was with resin fuselage and wings,(maybe a retooling?) that is why >I asked if someone knows the quality of the kit. >Cheers >Franco Hi Franco and Hiro, continuing your thread: I have Tom's Modelworks Halberstadt Cl IV, at least there are some common parts. The resin fuselage is useable, but I had some sanding to do. The wings in my kit had a real nice air bubble, about a centimeter long and half as deep, along the right LE. Other than that, and a few other small air bubbles, it was great. I have yet to finish the kit as I've moved on to something else for the time, but it will be a nice model when done Metal parts are good, the photoetch is typical Tom's, but I was dissappointed that there was little infogiven on the interior detail. Overall, worth the price, and I imagine the Cl.II is similar. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:31:14 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Monoplane Message-ID: <199701190431.AA02393@ednet1.orednet.org> Riordan wrote: > Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? > Czechmasters? Definitely Czechmasters did one - I've got the resin kit and a neat little job it is. Airframe did a vacform 1/72 many years ago which judging by the other Airframe vacs I've seen, is likely to be "OK" but a little primative and not problem free. Don't know if anyone else has kitted this aircraft in 1/72 (or any other scale for that matter) which is a shame as it's certainly more deserving of a kit that the DFW "Floh". > Is there a Datafile on this'un? Yes, although I don't have the number. Just thumbed through it at the hobby shop today though. Incidently, they had a built-up Eduard "skeleton" Fokker E.III on display. Mike Carlson, the shopowner, unfortunately couldn't remember who had built it but it was a _most_ impressive little model - almost inspired me to buy one and try it myself. In fact, I would bought one 'cept he also had an ad for an Eduard "skeleton" Sopwith Camel which is supposed to be out shortly. So, I think I'll save the shekels for the Camel. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "A penny saved" is just one more thing for the cat to knock off the dresser! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:00:12 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha inquiry, loads of other questions Message-ID: <19970118.230224.13982.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:27:31 -0500 "S.M. Head" writes: > Try one, I can't reccommend a good vac for beginners as I jumped > in and ruined several expensive yet difficult ones when I > started vacs, maybe someone else could reccommend "easy" WWI > aircraft vacuforms suitable for beginners. Try one of the Sierra Scale's. Although most WW1 vacs have more work anyway, the Sierra kits are a good place to start. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:00:12 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Monoplane Message-ID: <19970118.230224.13982.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:35:49 -0500 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: > Definitely Czechmasters did one - I've got the resin kit and a > neat little job it is. Airframe did a vacform 1/72 many years > ago which judging by the other Airframe vacs I've seen, is > likely to be "OK" but a little primative and not problem free. > Don't know if anyone else has kitted this aircraft in 1/72 (or > any other scale for that matter) which is a shame as it's > certainly more deserving of a kit that the DFW "Floh". Well, I'll have to get the CM kit, even though I do have the *Pegasus* injected kit of it. > Yes, although I don't have the number. Just thumbed through it > at the hobby shop today though. #52. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:43:53 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Monoplane Message-ID: >On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:35:49 -0500 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill >Shatzer) writes: > >> Definitely Czechmasters did one - I've got the resin kit and a >> neat little job it is. Airframe did a vacform 1/72 many years >> ago which judging by the other Airframe vacs I've seen, is >> likely to be "OK" but a little primative and not problem free. >> Don't know if anyone else has kitted this aircraft in 1/72 (or >> any other scale for that matter) which is a shame as it's >> certainly more deserving of a kit that the DFW "Floh". > >Well, I'll have to get the CM kit, even though I do have the >*Pegasus* injected kit of it. > Don't bother, unless you are a real fan of this a/c. The early Pegasus kit of the Bristol M1C was mastered from the Czech resin of the early 1980's. I have both, they're identical except for the Pegasus kit being a little more crude with regard to parts detail. I guess that he was still learning then. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 06:20:39 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: [Fwd: Re: Bristol Monoplane] Message-ID: <32E22DB7.F6@lynx.bc.ca> Roirdan, Pegasus had one in 1/72. I've got one, Quite good, but not up to current Pegasus standards. As in more clean up, however I believe it was a copy of a Czechmasters. Also a Resin 1/48 scale was available from Waldo Models in England. However I have heard that these are crude and expensive. All my books are in boxes until after the big move tommorrow. However I would sware that there was info on the Waldo model in windsock last year. Probably an address too. If you are interested in the pegasus I can see if the models store where I bought mine has any more. I will be offline on the 19th and the 20th but email after and I will look. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) > Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > > Who makes/made a kit of the Bullet in balloon/liliputian scale ? > > Czechmasters? Is there a Datafile on this'un? > > > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <970119113137_1378055338@emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-18 09:35:58 EST, you write: >Seriously, though. Glen, who makes those resin DH kits? Czech >Master? Or are they Braille Scale? > > Matt, Czech Master in itty bitty 1/72 scale. Look akoy, I have started on one and have removed the the parts from theresin patty (?) and have started to clea them up. With some luck and a little TLC, these may end up looking good. Glen BTW, you are few miles north of us so you won't get to experience our spring like +11 F weather today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:51:35 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: test mesage, please delete Message-ID: please delete ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:04:50 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: My Own Introduction Message-ID: <19970119.160659.13446.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:34:57 -0500 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > BTW, you are few miles north of us so you won't get to > experience our spring like +11 F weather today. Hah on you. It's currently +46 F!! And it's supposed to go up to +60 F tomorrow!! Can you say "time to get sick"! ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 404 *********************