WWI Digest 393 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) A modelling "how to" book by "Gerald P. McOsker" 2) Re: Tuesday, 9 January 1917, Plessis by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) Re: Nungesser's Nieuport by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 4) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by Mick Fauchon 5) RE: Biggles by Shane Weier 6) Re: Biggles by DavidL1217@aol.com 7) Re: Biggles by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Re: Biggles by "Bill Ciciora" 9) Re: Nungesser's Nieuport by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: WWI Swap Page by "Bill Ciciora" 11) Testors/Hawk SPAD ??C.1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re[2]: Reference Books Spotted at 2 o'clock high... by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re: Nungesser's Nieuport by "Valenciano . Jose" 14) Re: Testors/Hawk SPAD ??C.1 by "Valenciano . Jose" 15) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by "Ray Boorman" 16) Re: Biggles by "Ray Boorman" 17) Improving older Models (New Thread) by "Ray Boorman" 18) Jean Navarre by "Ray Boorman" 19) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by John Huggins 20) Re: Jean Navarre by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 22) Re: Jean Navarre by John Huggins 23) Re: Tuesday, 9 January 1917, Plessis by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 24) Re: Biggles by Graham Nash 25) RE: Biggles by "Brian Bushe" 26) Embarassing Top Aces question. by "Brian Bushe" 27) Re: by mbittner@juno.com 28) Re: Eric Pilawski's Models on-line by mbittner@juno.com 29) Nieuport articles by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 19:38:19 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: A modelling "how to" book Message-ID: Dave chirped about the possibilities of a "how too book on WW-1 modelling- After seeing the stuff posted at the web site and Alberto Casirati's work in the last Windsock- Yes yes yes! Gerry Gerry McOsker- Newport Rhode Island. "The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletarian to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeois" Gistave Flaubert or is it to lower the bourgeoise to the level of stupidity enjoyed by the underclass? ...machs nicht! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 20:34:39 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Tuesday, 9 January 1917, Plessis Message-ID: <32D5C6DF.548@host.dmsc.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 03:20 PM 1/9/97 -0500, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > >890th day of the war. Rainy and miserable. Wrote up some more of my 1915 > >War Diary this morning. It is interesting but rather tiresome work. I've > >a lot to do yet before it is finished for I've all 1916 to do when I > >complete the 1915 part. Parsons back for the afternoon but returned to > >Paris on 6 o'clock train. I'd go in myself if I had sufficient funds on > >me to guarantee a good time. As it is I'm decidedly "short." Found out > >that we won't be able to leave for the front until at least next week. > >Received a Postal from my old Legion comrade, Louis Ester, my little > >South American friend from Colombia. He is well and still in the > >regiment. Wrote him a long letter this evening. Have finished a letter to > >beloved Gertrude asking her to tell me if she really loves me any more or > >not. I simply can't stand going on and on in this utter ignorance. Its > >utterly unbearable > > You know, the last things I ever would have thought of Genet, before > reading his diary that is, is what a whiner he's turning out to be. How can > a guy who volunteers to fights in a war, loses his citizenship, throws his > body around the sky in crates of wood a fabric turn out to be such a > wimp????????? > Mike Muth As I am able to find them, I will be posting descriptions of Genet which those who knew him have left us. So it remains to be seen what sort of impression he made on his fellow pilots. The real question about self-pity isn't whether any of us feel it-- we probably all do-- but whether we make a public display of it. Genet's journal was private, after all. He didn't write it for publication. It wasn't published until half a century after his death. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 20:39:38 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Nungesser's Nieuport Message-ID: <32D5C80A.2438@host.dmsc.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > I forgot who started this one, but a question arose regarding one of > Nungesser;s Nieuports and if it was camoflaged. Both the Datafile Special > and # 20 show the same picture of a N. 17, #1490. The photo in #20 seems a > little clearer than in the Special. It still will leave lots of room for > folks to argue, I suspect. Anywazy, the caption say that it is camo , > sprayed green and brown. There clearly is an extension of the underside > color to the top that outlines the wings and horizontal stabilizer. It > probably had a "blue cone de penetration" > The photo is rather dark, so it's hard to tell about the colors, > etc. The outline on the wing is clearly evident, as is Nungesser's Black > Heart motif. The caption claims it is the plane he flew while attached to > the Lafayette Escadrille. It had both a sync. vikers and an overwing lewis. > There are color pictures in both Datafiles. > OK let the color police continue their attack. > HTH(heh, heh) > Mike Muth There is also a photo of a Nieuport 17 "Superbebe"-- a replica I believe-- at http://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/nieup17.htm which is in aluminum dope. Does anyone know if & when he flew such a plane? The serial # isn't shown or given. As to whether he flew a Nieuport 11, I have no information. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:32:24 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: Mike, > My guess would be in the simple yet elegant lines of the airplane. > At a dinner a few years ago with some people from OTF, we argued over the > "prettiest"(for lack of a better word) WWI airplane. The Nie 28 came in > first, with the Pfalz D-III/a a close second. Funny, I'd have put them the other way around 80) 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:56:02 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Biggles Message-ID: <01BBFEED.4157D4C0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Peter, I searched high and low for one of the WE Johns classics as a gift for a friendly member of this list - and took about 6 months to get it for rather more than I expected. They are available, but most second hand bookstore owners are getting canny that they're collectors items and charge accordingly. FWIW the one I've seen of late is "Biggles of 266" . Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: <970109211739_911750981@emout03.mail.aol.com> I thought it described the material Biggles' shoes were made of. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: <970109212207_1392400336@emout16.mail.aol.com> A few years ago, the RAF museum had reprints are they sold out or did the "politically correct" in the UK have a book burning. Apparently the reprints caused a bit of controversy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:11:40 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: Mike wrote: > OK, here's a request I'm sure someone can help with. Ever since > learning about Biggles a few years ago, I wanted to pick up one of the books > just for nostalgia sake. The RAF Museum Shop had some reprints of the Biggles books for sale a year ago or so. Like so many on the list, I visited Hendon, Duxford, etc. with my wife. Somehow I got on their mailing list and have received a few museum shop catalogs. Alas, the catalog is misplaced and the RAF Museum is not (apparently) on the Web. I'll bet some UK bretheren might look the Museum Shop up for you and see about availability and ordering info. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:14:36 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Nungesser's Nieuport Message-ID: <199701100414.AA06289@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: >Let me add a branch to this thread, Did Nungesser fly a Nieuport 11? If >so, what colours was it in? He must have - he was assigned to Escadrille N.65 in November of 1915 and scored his first two aerial victories with that escadrille on November 28, 1915. As the "N" indicates it was a Nieuport escadrille and the Nieuport 17 didn't begin entering service until at least February of 1916, according to my references, he almost certainly must have been flying an 11 from the November of '15 at least until he was hospitalized in January of '16 and maybe even after his return in March. Guynemer, for instance, was flying an 11 at least through March of 1916. However, I can't recall seeing any photos of an 11 with the Nungesser personal insignia on it or identified as his a/c so I'm not able to help on the actual appearance of his Nieuport 11 (or, possibly, Nieuport 11s.) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ............................................................................. - This space for rent - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:16:24 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: WWI Swap Page Message-ID: Graham wrote: > As a matter of interest, couldn't the WW1 Modellers HomePage carry > details of wants/swaps? Check out http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm This was advertised on the list a week ago or so. Allan, how about adding him to the links? Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 20:54:23 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Testors/Hawk SPAD ??C.1 Message-ID: <9700098528.AA852872193@mx.Ricochet.net> Will I be drummed out of the corps for admitting to fiddling with one of these & enjoying it? Hmmm... Tried to make myself throw one together for a five-color camo excercise, but just couldn't leave well enough alone. Had to remove the molded-on headers and upgrade 'em and muck out the gun troughs. What is it about sow's ears that make them so irresistable? Is it that they are so off that we don't always feel obligated to superdetail? Or maybe its the fast-food pricing that is always appealing. They cerainly make good donors...Perhaps they're impressionist, giving a general form and feeling of struts & fabric without regard to detail. Maybe they're just fun. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 20:11:28 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Reference Books Spotted at 2 o'clock high... Message-ID: <9700098528.AA852872174@mx.Ricochet.net> "Cracking idea Grommit!"-I think a bulletin board would be ripping, but Al may have his hands full already. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Reference Books Spotted at 2 o'clock high... Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/9/97 6:20 AM An update to my note of yesterday, a bookshop near me has the following remaindered books: 6 copies of P.Kilduff's Over the Battlefronts GBP 7.00 h/back 3 copies of P.Kilduff's Richtofen, Beyond the Legend.. GBP 5.99 p/back 2 copies of Chaz Bowyer Handley Page Bombers of WW1 GBP 9.99 h/back The shop will do international mail order for orders totalling GBP25, plus P&P, but I can help if people only want single items and are willing to send small amounts of cash in the post. As a matter of interest, couldn't the WW1 Modellers HomePage carry details of wants/swaps? I'm sure I would find it invaluable, and besides, I really enjoy helping people find items that they're looking for. For instance, I know of a number of shops a number of which are non-specialist, that have 2nd hand books/magazines, including Airfix/Scale Models/Scale Aviation Modelling/ Aviation News etc. and as I visit them semi-regularly anyway, I could look out for wanted items. Just a thought anyways... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:15:58 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nungesser's Nieuport Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: > Did Nungesser fly a Nieuport 11? If so, what colours was it in? > > He must have - he was assigned to Escadrille N.65 in November of 1915 (Snip) > However, I can't recall seeing any photos of an 11 with the Nungesser > personal insignia on it or identified as his a/c so ..... Anyone care to run with the ball from here? What colour was it? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:20:43 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk SPAD ??C.1 Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > Will I be drummed out of the corps for admitting to fiddling with one > of these & enjoying it? Hmmm... (Snip) I have one of these. Love it! The kit plastic is beautiful fo gap filling work on other kits. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:06:21 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <199701100535.VAA19984@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Sandy, Thanks for the information on older Blue Max models. I will check the upper wing on my Pfalz when I have finally finished moving house. Its getting pretty frustrating all my models and books etc are packed. Wifes idea seems I wouldn't get distracted so much, therefore I would help in packing more. But hey the PC isn't packed!-) Its always been a mystery to me why the same models get issued by everyone. I have heard that a DR1 or an Albatros will sell more because they are more widely known. But the time period is so long ago, I don't think thats true. I think its more the fact that large manufacturers don't want to take the risk. Oh well I guess that means Bob Norgren will have years worth of work! ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > > good. What is it about the Nie 28? - for such a crap aeroplane it is such > a popular subject! I know that the US had it foisted on its pilots for > want of anything better when they entered the war and Campbell and > Rickenbacker flew it. Surely this doesn't mean that we have to have > more, and/or better, kits of this than Camels or SE5s for god's sake - > after all, if you are a chauvinist the US did use the latter two as well! > The Blue Max DH2 has been written about enthusiastically enough on this > list without me needing to add anything. > > BTW did anybody else have the problem I had with my Pfalz DXII where the > upper wing had too little raw plastic applied resulting in a malnutrition > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:31:51 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: <199701100536.VAA20043@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Biggles books used to be very common in England when I was growing up so maybe someone over there can get you some copies. The authors name was I think W E Johns. For an eleven or twelve year old in the late sixties they were pretty neat books. However they seemed to start in wwi and continue on through the thirties. Lots of treasure hunt's in the Pacific or Arabia and such places. A lot definately were also published in paperback. Although they may not be so common now since they some would say they are not Politically Correct because of some of the terms used. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ---------- > From: Mary-Ann/Michael > OK, here's a request I'm sure someone can help with. Ever since > learning about Biggles a few years ago, I wanted to pick up one of the books > just for nostalgia sake. I tried a bunch of old bookstores, but none even > knew what I was talking about. One store in Athens, Ohio found the titles > and author(A pilot named Johns...pretty good article in C&C a year or so > ago) and assured me they'd be able to find one. That was 18 months ago and > I've yet to hear anything. Anyone have one they are willing to part with for > not too much? I think one called The White Fokker(or maybe The White > Albatros) is supposed to be a typical one. > Mike Muth > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:32:08 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Improving older Models (New Thread) Message-ID: <199701100536.VAA20060@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Before packing my Testors /Hawk Nieuport 17, I printed Shane's list of improvements and put them in the box. So when I finally do unpack and get around to building it I will have a lot of ideas on how to improve it. Which gave me the idea for a new thread. Or at least an idea for an occasional thread. What I am suggesting is once a month or so we come up with an older model and see who has ideas on what to improve and how to go about it. This will mean various people can practice on models that are a lot less expensive, and improve there skills with at least a fair chance of finishing the projects rather than starting to improve everything and getting to the point of giving up, which is where an awfull lot of models end up. In the end this will also help on the more expensive Eduards and Blue Max's since after a few Smer or Glencoe projects your confidence will that much higher. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:42:28 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Jean Navarre Message-ID: <199701100546.VAA20575@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> After all the Nunguessor Nieuport messages. I wonder if someone can answer what happened to Jean Navarre. I have read peices in Various Datfiles which have piqued my interest. Red painted Morane's, when Richtofen was still flying in two seaters. Then of course there is the Tricolor Nieuport. What made him so famous at Verdun and what happened to him. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) For every answer I always seem to have ten more questions. I guess thats what makes this subject so much fun! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:49:25 -0600 (CST) From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: > The cheapest way you are going to get BM kits is order direct, that is >once you've decided that you can live with the exchange rate. The kits are >sent air mail to you at NO CHARGE, a feature that I have yet to see a mail >order house match. I also have yet to find any mail order house list these >kits at an equivalent dollar rate for what you are charged buying direct. >I do agreee though that these kits are expensive. I'm still trying to >decide if the Pfalz is worth it. > >From The Jan. Squadron Supplement: Tom's Model Works 1/48 scale resin Pfalz D XII TW0116 $24.99 from $35.95 Halberstadt CL II TW0117 $24.99 from $35.95 Nieuport 9?10 TW0118 $24.99 from $32.95 Smer 1/48 scale Sopwith Camel SE0105 $3.99 from 4.98 Airfix 1/72 scale Camel 2F1 AX01075, Roland C-II AX01077, de Havilland DH4 AX01079, F2B AX01080, Spad SVII AX01081, Pup AX01082, $3.99 from $4.50 Pegasus 1/72 scale Albatross D III PG1028 $23.00 LVG VI PG3006 $14.00 from $25.98 Pfalz D-XII PG1023 $12.99 from $21.98 Roland D II PG1025 $13.99 from 21.98 JGMT 1/48 scale resin Spad 7 JT1003 $69.99 from $89.90 Eduard 1/72 scale Baby EU8006 $18.99 from 28.98 Maquette Ltd 1/72 scale Ilya Muromets V ML2003 $13.99 from $19.95 Blue Max 1/48 scale Pfalz D XII $39.99 from $49.95 Hasegawa 1/8 scale Camel F1 $699.99 from $950.98 Emhar 1/35 scale Tadpole Mk IV EM4004 $19.99 from $32.98 JGMT 1/35 scale resin Charron CGV Armored car 1906 model JT3501 $69.99 from $79.98 plus some others that are not on sale. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:53:01 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jean Navarre Message-ID: <199701100653.AA18544@ednet1.orednet.org> Ray Boorman queried: > >After all the Nunguessor Nieuport messages. I wonder if someone can answer >what happened to Jean Navarre. I have read peices in Various Datfiles which >have piqued my interest. Red painted Morane's, when Richtofen was still >flying in two seaters. Then of course there is the Tricolor Nieuport. What >made him so famous at Verdun and what happened to him. Poor lad, went absolutely barmy. Ga-ga. Combat stress syndrome. Whatever. Shot down and wounded in June of 1916, he spent the next 2 plus years in facilities with cool green painted walls and understanding staff. (The British would have probably called it Lack of Moral Fibre and begun appropriate disciplinary action but the French were more understanding, at least with a genuine ace and Certified National Hero. Presumably, they would have been less gentle with a run-of-the-mill poilu.) He was restored to active duty just before the armistice but apparently didn't see any action before November 11. Alas, this story does not have a happy ending. While practicing for a victory parade in which he intended to fly through the Arc de Triomphe (!!!) he crashed and was killed in July of 1919. As to his, fame, well, I suspect that was mostly the propaganda machine at work. Verdun was, after all, a nasty affair for all concerned and it was hard to create "heroes for the homefront" out of ordinary soldats cowering in trenches acting mostly as targets for German artillery. Now Navarre, with his brightly painted aircraft and lady's silk stocking for a flying helmet was eminently more suitable for newspaper copy to inspire the homefront. Still, he was one of the first French pilots to claim an actual aerial victory (with rifle fire, no less!) and was one of the first French "Aces". And, 12 aerial victories prior to June of '16 is not to be sneezed at. Only a handful of pilots had done better - For instance, Boelke's total in June, '16 was 18 and Immelmann's was 15 so Navarre was certainly up there with the elite. Ah, perhaps more than you wished to know? Oh well! Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ............................................................................. - This space for rent - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:25:43 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: >> The cheapest way you are going to get BM kits is order direct, that is >>once you've decided that you can live with the exchange rate. The kits are >>sent air mail to you at NO CHARGE, a feature that I have yet to see a mail >>order house match. I also have yet to find any mail order house list these >>kits at an equivalent dollar rate for what you are charged buying direct. >>I do agreee though that these kits are expensive. I'm still trying to >>decide if the Pfalz is worth it. >> >>From The Jan. Squadron Supplement: <> > >Blue Max 1/48 scale > Pfalz D XII $39.99 from $49.95 Retail price for BM Pfalz is 19.95 pounds sterling. The exchange rate on 1/9/97 was: US$1.6967/ 1.00 pounds. Thus a 19.95 pound kit will be US$33.85. Don't forget that Squadron wants and additional $4.25 or so to send you the $39.95 kit. Blue Max will take your VISA card also. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 01:36:12 -0600 (CST) From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: Jean Navarre Message-ID: >After all the Nunguessor Nieuport messages. I wonder if someone can answer >what happened to Jean Navarre. I have read peices in Various Datfiles which >have piqued my interest. >From "Over The Front" He was severely wounded in aerial combat on 17 June 1916, and never flew any more combat missions during the war. navarre was killed in an aviation accident on 10 July 1919 at Villacoublay. He had 12 confirmed victories (1st on 1 Apr 1915 and laast on 17 Jun 1916) and was awarded the Medalle Militaire , Legion D'Honneurand Croix de Guerre w/12 palmes. Assigned MS8, MS12 (Apr - Oct 1915) and N67. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Tuesday, 9 January 1917, Plessis Message-ID: <199701100838.AAA22737@concord.televar.com> >At 03:20 PM 1/9/97 -0500, Bradley Omanson wrote: >>[major league snippage]... Have finished a letter to >>beloved Gertrude asking her to tell me if she really loves me any more or >>not. I simply can't stand going on and on in this utter ignorance. Its >>utterly unbearable To which Mike replied: > You know, the last things I ever would have thought of Genet, before >reading his diary that is, is what a whiner he's turning out to be. How can >a guy who volunteers to fights in a war, loses his citizenship, throws his >body around the sky in crates of wood a fabric turn out to be such a >wimp????????? >Mike Muth My $.02 worth at this point is that Genet is going to turn out to be a classic dual personality, Jekyll and Hyde type - whining mushwimp on the ground, but get him up in his Nieuport and he'll be a full-bore aerial Psycho Killer (Que'st que c'est...), a veritable Lee Harvey of the wild blue yonder, chortling with insane glee as he sends Hun after Hun down in glorious flames, and shouting "I did it for you, GERTIE!!, Bwaahahahahahahahahahah"... If he was alive today, he'd be working for the Post Office... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:36:02 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: <199701100936.AA16198@egate.citicorp.com> Some of the WW1 Biggles books ARE currently in print, and a number of Bookshops, including RAF Museum Hendon, and Foyles have them. You have to be careful though as the books' titles may have changed over the years and you may find that say 'Biggles of 266' as originally published by Dean & Co is now called something else. You would need to examine the chapter titles to ensure that you don't duplicate yourself if you have older issues. Prices are about GBP3.50 per book, the publisher being Red Fox. Aviation Bookshop 0171 272 3630 has some 2nd hand copies by different publishers at about GBP8.00 each ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:23:33 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: RE: Biggles Message-ID: <199701101032.KAA07015@itl.net> RE: Biggles In New Zealand the libraries removed, or were not allowed to purchase Biggles books (and Enid Blyton) books as far back as the seventies due to their politically incorrect content (though of course they were still available in bookstores.there were a number of short story anthologies (such as _Biggles of 266_) which are very enjoyable. I've just been told that the Enid Blyton books are being 're-edited', I suppose to a pc state, so maybe the Biggles books will also be done. Brian ________________________________________________________ > Peter, > > I searched high and low for one of the WE Johns classics as a gift for a > friendly member of this list - and took about 6 months to get it for rather > more than I expected. They are available, but most second hand bookstore > owners are getting canny that they're collectors items and charge > accordingly. > > FWIW the one I've seen of late is "Biggles of 266" . > > Regards > > Shane > > > Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:23:33 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Embarassing Top Aces question. Message-ID: <199701101032.KAA07018@itl.net> er, Hello, Some one asked me this question the yesterday and I was embarassed to not actaully know the answer! I was asked (for a competition so I wanted to be sure) who were the top German, American, and British pilots. German was easy (MvR) American I thought was Rickenbacker, but didn't know if there was an American who fought in, say, the RFC that hardly anyone knew about. British I wasn't sure again, as there are famous canadians who flew in the RFC. I thought the top scoring pilot was Mannock, or was it Bishop (who was canadian I think?) Anyway, this is for a competition in a amateur flight sim magazine called 'Enemy Lock On' (ELO). the prize is the new computer game called 'Flying Corps' by Rowan, which they have reviewed a beta copy of in their latest issue. For the record they claim the modelled planes (camel, se5, spad XIII, Fokker DR1, Albatros DIII) are appropriately idiosyncratic and difficult to fly, and shooting things down is a bit of an achievement, but not as much as landing afterwards is! :-) . For more infomation try: http:\\www.elo.com Brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:51:23 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <19970110.045255.14550.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:17:51 -0500 "Don Rinker" writes: > > >---------- >> From: Peter Fedders >from >> Duxford. In a town called Biggleswade (Sp ??) The > ^^^^^^^ > THe town where Group Capt. Biggles > went for a swim?? ;-( > Bwahahahahahahah!!! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:51:23 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eric Pilawski's Models on-line Message-ID: <19970110.045255.14550.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:17:13 -0500 AEW@unh.edu (Allan Wright) writes: > Just a quick WWW page update. I've scanned in some of Eric > Pilawski's photos of his models. They're in the standard place > on the WWW page. Take a look - there is some nice stuff there - > especially the wood grain detail on the Roland D-VIb he did. A terrific job - well done - on the D.VIb. This is an amazing piece of work, one I can't wait for seeing up close. Heck, it looks like it's ready to fly off the table top!! Great job, Erik. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:51:23 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nieuport articles Message-ID: <19970110.045255.14550.2.mbittner@juno.com> First, a public thank you. Thanks, Mark. Your copies arrived Monday (I've been extremely busy to post earlier). Thanks, Shane. Your copies arrived yesterday. And don't worry - I have every intention of scaling down the plans. ;-) However, I still need part one of the series. I'm not sure what it could have been on (I'm secretly hoping for the Nie.IV), but was wondering if someone might have it so they can copy it for me. Part two was February 1981, so I'm *guessing* part one was in January of that year. Can anybody help? TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 393 *********************