WWI Digest 390 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: datum line by Mick Fauchon 2) Re: Rigging stuff... by Mick Fauchon 3) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by Mick Fauchon 4) Re: your mail by Mick Fauchon 5) Sunday, 7 January 1917, Plessis by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 6) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by Bob Norgren 7) Re: This List by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 8) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by mbittner@juno.com 9) RE: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by Shane Weier 10) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by Jesse William Leo Stuart 11) [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by Lawrence Dunn 12) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by gspring@ix.netcom.com 13) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by gspring@ix.netcom.com 17) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Exceptionally overpriced (resin?)FT-17 tank by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by "Ray Boorman" 20) Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] by "Ray Boorman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:57:15 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: datum line Message-ID: Mike, > Mick, Greg, Shane and anyone else who took time to answer my question on the > datum line....THANKS! Not at all; glad to oblige. Also my thanks to all who committed themselves to the MG 08/15 fray. Just showa ta go ya, you're never too old to learn 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:03:51 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rigging stuff... Message-ID: In 1/48 and smaller, > they are just to small to be worth while worrying about Bill, Bill, Bill!!!........Herery! 80) For myself, life is too short. > > (Secret confession - I have been known to actually omit some rigging wires - > (especially in 1/72 and especially the ones that are tucked up there amid > (the cabanes which are the devil's own to get rigged and taunt. Ya' know > (what - almost no one has ever noticed!) > I'm prepared to absolve you.....only on completion of 3 [three] Airfix Bristol F2bs 80)......with rigging wires 80) 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:31:37 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: Bill, > When we last left our heroes, Mick Fauchon was writing: My wife, snoo.......eerrr... reading over my shoulder, would like to publicly express her appreciation of the above......but...I think...she's going to kill me. Not yet! Not yet! I gotta finish this post......aaargh!! > Because, silly, Sounds like Bill's siding with the woman now 80( an aircraft doesn't only use its guns in straight and level > flight - if you are in a right hand bank and only have a hole in the left > side of the fuselage, not many cartridges are gonna exit that hole and things > are gonna get jammed up PDQ. (or, maybe the centrifical forces of a > right-hand bank would make things work the other way - dunno.) True, I think. > Which brings me to my confession of error Hmmmm......seems to be the season for it 80) - despite the fact that I can't > quite figure out just how it is supposed to work, I think Greg's suggestion > that the spent cartridges just kinda fly out into some sort of deflector > plate and then are gayly tossed into the slip stream is the correct idea, > at least in principle. For, if you think about it, I can't imagine any > sort of internal, gravity-fed channel for disposing of spent cartridges > which would work under all flight attitudes and all conditions of > centrifical force. There would be some combination of flight attitude > and G forces which would prevent the little suckers from tumbling out. > And, if the little suckers don't tumble out just about as fast as they > are produced, things would get jammed up in there pretty darn quick. Doesn't seem to have bothered either Albatros or Pfalz: they used the system consistantly. If you're lucky enough to have access to the Smithsonian's Albi, you'll see the extractor tubes curving out under the rear end of the cooling jackets, passing down over the front of the fuel tank[s], and exiting underneath the fuselage, `a la Pfalz DXII [and DIII/IIIa]. The shells just seemed to rattle down there quite happily under gravity; never heard of a stoppage cased by them. Anyone else. > > Tough enough to keep the guns from jamming without having to worry about > the "cartridge ejector chute" jamming as well. So, in the cold light > of morning, I'm tentatively retracting my previous suggestion and > withdrawing the suggestion of "the little hole in the plate under > the middle wing". I still can't figure out how there is room enough > under the MG's for the "fly out onto the deflector plate and then > out into the slip stream" suggestion to work but it has gotta be > some variation of that 'cause I just see too many practical problems > with getting my previous idea to work. As Greg pointed out, they just clear the wing decking, and roll over the camber. Sounds OK to me. Incidentally, I think I found out why they didn't use the above system on the DrI. Quite simply, there just ain't room within the airframe. To pass them over the spar would mean that they'd run fouol of the fuel/oil tanks; there's room between the after-face of the spar and the gun to sit them, but do drop them vertically [to the datum-line] and out through the bottom of the fuselage would mean that they'd obstruct the travel of the rudder-bar. There, I think, we have it. > Jeez, isn't this fun? Oh yeah, great fun! How did your hat taste? As good as mine, I trust: but not as good as Greg's cigar 80) It's not as good as the most fun you can have without laughing, but it comes pretty close 80) Personally, I've appreciated it immensely. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > Cheers, > > -- > - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:39:23 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: Peter, > > What was the seat belt situation of 2-seaters (German, English, French). The > observer usually had a little stool. Did he have a seat belt?? I can't recall having seen an actual belt, but some sort of restraint would be essential, even if it were only a life-line arrangement. Did the pilot > usually have shoulder straps as well as a lap strap? Same as for single-seaters, AFAIK. Or was it assumed that > 2-seaters would not fly uside down? Any observer/gunner that made such an assumpion would be in for a *very* short life 80) Cheers, and...... happy landings..., Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 09:36:57 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 7 January 1917, Plessis Message-ID: <32D289B9.3C2A@host.dmsc.net> Fine day but quite chilly and too foggy all a.m. to permit flying. Half holiday so couldn't fly in p.m. altho the fog had lifted by noon time. Read and also wrote a long letter to dear little Mother on a.m. and received letters from Mother, Leah Weed, Bertha Wittlinger and Miss Edna Taylor of Wilmington, Del. There not being one from darling Gertrude makes me feel mighty blue and lonely as usual. Day after day, week after week, its the same unbearable waiting for word from her. Am reading a book by Owen Johnson, "The Salamander"-- a story of New York City. It's pretty interesting but rather an exaggeration. ************************* from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:51:29 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <32D20E91.74F6@ne.infi.net> Ray Boorman wrote: > > Somehow I think the DML Camel got into a dogfight with the Eduard Pfalz and > both went down in flames:-). Just joking as I would love to see both > appear sometime soon. > > Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) > I've read and heard recently that DML is getting out of the airplane business because of stiff competition with Tamiya and Hasegawa and is concentrating on armor. I doubt that the Camel will be released...If DML were still into aircraft more money could be made with the He219, Ta154, Ju88A-4, which were all promised at one time, some of which were illustrated in their catalogs. I talked to the Eduard people at last October's Chicago show and they indicated both the Camel and the SE.5a are on their list for future release...just don't ask when...sometime in the future. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:27:07 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <32d32bd6.2099582@relay.ping.be> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 03:12:22 -0500, you wrote: > >On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Michel LEFORT wrote: > >> I'm currently working on a Emhar hippet (1/35 scale). The forms are >> right, but the details make me think of a 1960 vintage kit. I have the >> Airwaves photo-etch detail set > >What do you get in the detail set? louvers? What else? Yes for the louvers. Various rails (mudguards supports, boxes angles), handles, pistol ports covers. BTW, I have scanned the photo-etch for the Whippet as well as the instruction sheet. The resulting file is quite big (543K). If you want me to, I can email it to your private email address as an attachment (JPG file). > >> I'm trying to get rid of the air >> intakes louvres on the sides of the beast. They are molded as big >> plastic lumps on the sides of the tank.=20 > >You could grind them away with a moto tool with minimum effort. I have thought of using such a tool, but they really very badly placed. There is a rail nearly touching them, so I have to be careful. I have already drilled all the rivets emplacements to get a reference when I have to put them back on as they will be removed (too close to the louvers to avoid that). The big problem here is not the effort involved, it's the really cramped space around them. > >> BTW, has anyone found a practical way to deal with the Tauro A7V >> tracks? They're a real pain in the ... as they are moulded in soft = vinyl >> with separate links that are to be assembled by small metallic pins. = The >> problem is that the holes in the links tend to tear > >How about sustituting wire of a smaller diameter for the pins, would = this >work? I have tried that. The problem here is not with the metal parts, but with the links themselves. The parts are too fragile as they are moulded. The stuff really is not good at all for such delicate work. A hard plastic would have been much better. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. Regards. Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium foreign liaison officer (member F147) http://www.ping.be/IPMS Plastic Modelling is holding history in your hand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:43:40 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <19970107.174518.14446.1.mbittner@juno.com> > Sadly, when I tried to get it I was told it was no longer in > production. Bummer. Probably not a problem when the Eduard comes out. ;-) > The Atlee Lewises I have are the ones with the thick barrel > casing (Mark number escapes me), and I think it's the only type > he had. Magazines are wonderful though. In other words, 'jacketed', correct? Aeroclub made 1/72nd 'un-jacketed' ones, but I'm not sure if they're still in production. 1/48th I'm not sure of. > On one of the Toms sets I think (?) Not the 1/72nd set. > Man I wish every model had an error as easy to fix as the Pup > exhaust channel - and no others. Hmm...what would we do, then, if a WW1 model came complete, with nothing to add? I, for one, would not know how to build it. Case in point: the Eduard D.V. You might *think* it's complete, but the interior cockpit molded-on structure is entirely wrong, and in this Braille Scale, I just couldn't let that slide!! ;-) > Bugger you Matt, I thought I'd put that damn thing aside for > good, now you have me looking at it again. Ain't modelling > fun. Yep, fun as a barrel of monkeys. ;-) I might have to pick up my Nie.11 conversion again, as well. "Bugger" all this Nieuport talk, it's all I want to do, now. > (PS It's easier for me to translate your words into *English* in > my head than to have 100 North Americans trying to read > *English*. Feel free to Americanise me) Hey, just because you Aussie's stuck with the King's English doesn't mean you're correct. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:35:48 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <01BBFD4F.B71570E0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Matt, >In other words, 'jacketed', correct? Aeroclub made 1/72nd >'un-jacketed' ones, but I'm not sure if they're still in >production. 1/48th I'm not sure of. Still in production, in several versions. All good, but Atlees mags are better. Incidentally, each pack comes with 4, two of each size. Jacketed was the word I was searching for, and I guess "stripped" is the term *you* are looking for ;-) EDUARD D.V >You might *think* it's complete, >but the interior cockpit molded-on structure is entirely wrong, >and in this Braille Scale, I just couldn't let that slide!! ;-) I always remove moulded on stringers etc as a matter of course. Never saw any that looked convincing. You can make a vast improvement to a DML Fokker D.VII cockpit with 10cm of 25 thou rod. >> (PS It's easier for me to translate your words into *English* in >> my head than to have 100 North Americans trying to read >> *English*. Feel free to Americanise me) >Hey, just because you Aussie's stuck with the King's English >doesn't mean you're correct. ;-) Did I say you were wrong?? Nope. What I did was imply that I was smarter at reading American than you were at reading English. :-0 Note that it wouldn't be all that surprsing if I was, since WE see a lot of US stuff and YOU see very little Aussie stuff. Though I know that you know Aussie for "crybaby" ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse William Leo Stuart To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <199701080110.RAA22890@guzzler.ecst.csuchico.edu> > Sadly, everything that I've heard would seem to confirm this. The latest > information from DML has no mention of the Camel. If they were going to > release it, there would be some kind of PR. Could we start an email campaign? Or perhaps we could pursuade (sp?) Eduard to produce one instead. ========================================================================== jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu ========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:38:10 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <32D332C2.5BCC@mail.idt.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7931D3A334D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this got thru the first time but I never get the messages I post, and my computer's been acting up! Read on . . . --------------7931D3A334D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <32D20642.4484@mail.idt.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:16:02 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm soon going to sit down and build my first WWI aircraft kit, and need the help of yon aces of the web. I'm seeking opinions on *the* very best injection molded 1/48th scale late war fighter kit currently available. Please give Jerry equal time; please name your favorite German as well as Brit/French/Yank plane kit. Please consider quality of detail, fit, molding, resemblance to the actual craft and quality and fit of decals (especially lozenge decals for Jerry!) when making your choices. I am an experienced builder of kits in many mediums, but do not have 1) a whole lotta time or 2) a workshop with lathe, etc., so please don't recommend that kit you enjoyed because it was an obscure subject while also being an incredible nightmare to build! Life's too short. I'm looking for a good kit, not a good fight! Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Looking forward to your ideas, Larry --------------7931D3A334D-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:13:02 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: <199717211148341@ix.netcom.com> On 01/07/97 05:41:32 Mick wrote: > Greg >> First, examine the scale drawings of the two types of Spandaus >> on page 126 of Harry Woodman's 'Early Aircraft Armament'. > > Gad! I wish I had that book ! 80( It's coming on Inter-library-loan, >but I don't know how long it will take to reach me. It will be worth the wait. Should I ever run across another copy I'll contact you. >My only problem is that I can't make out the >tray for the lh gun on von Greven's machine. Where is it? I think the dark quarter-circle below the belt tube and the spring cover is the trailing edge of it. Why it doesn't resemble the one on the right side I can't understand. This feature could just as easily be a cut-out in the fairing for the tray but why isn't the tray in place? There is ammo in the feed chutes! I wish I could examine the original plates for illustrations 108, 110 and 141 in the Imrie book. I fancy I can see similar ejector trays in all three but can't be positive at all. > I should like a Cohiba Churchill please. > Of course: you've noticed, I trust, that I'm not only gracious in >victory, but also magnanimous in defeat 80) A gentleman and scholar indeed! (Keerist, it's getting deep in here.) > It's been a really great exchange. It certainly has. Thanks for your input. In the end, the joke's on me. Cohibas, being from Cuba, are contraband in the USA so I won't be having one anytime soon! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:30:25 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <199701080330.WAA00126@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:07 PM 1/6/97 -0500, Valenciano . Jose wrote: > >I suppose this would be a good time to ask again, >Does anyone have any comments (give a review) of Monogram's Sopwith Camel? >Is it an original mould or did they get it from Aurora too? The kit seems almost exactly like the Smer kit, which I thought was a remake of the Aurora kit. The machine guns suck and the struts need some work. My big beef is with the decals, since I don't measure things at all. Anyway, I can't seems to find a photo of the Camel used by Cobby(on the box) that conforms to the serial # on the fuselage or a reference to Cobby flying the plane with the fuselage # shown on the box in the Camel File. I asked about this a little earlier, but no one seemed to have the answer. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:30:27 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <199701080330.WAA00137@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:45 PM 1/7/97 -0500, Lawrence Dunn wrote: >T >I'm seeking opinions on *the* very best injection molded 1/48th scale late war fighter >kit currently available. Please give Jerry equal time; please name your favorite German >as well as Brit/French/Yank plane kit. Please consider quality of detail, fit, molding, >resemblance to the actual craft and quality and fit of decals (especially lozenge decals >for Jerry!) when making your choices. Uh,Oh, I can just see the fur beginning to fly on this one. My choices for easy of construction, even if not 100% accurate(whatever the hell that means) would be the Nieuport 28 by Glencoe and theEduard Albatros DV/a. The Glencoe comes with lots of great decals and goes togethr very easily. I haven't build the Albatros yet, I just keep drooling over it....guess I'll have to use something to dry it off before I start work on it. I like the Americal-Gryphon decals for lozenge. I don't care too much for their rib tapes, however. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:26:30 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <19970107.212738.9142.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:41:20 -0500 Shane Weier writes: > I always remove moulded on stringers etc as a matter of course. > Never saw any that looked convincing. You can make a vast > improvement to a DML Fokker D.VII cockpit with 10cm of 25 thou > rod. I added some to the Dr.I, although it wasn't molded on. Although hard to see, definitely added. ;-) > Did I say you were wrong?? Nope. What I did was imply that I > was smarter at reading American than you were at reading > English. :-0 There's an old saying for stuff like what you just wrote: Cheeky Swine!! > Note that it wouldn't be all that surprsing if I was, since WE > see a lot of US stuff and YOU see very little Aussie stuff. > Though I know that you know Aussie for "crybaby" ;-) That, my lad, is exactly the problem with most people in the US today. They think they're the only ones in the world. Heck, I would enjoy seeing stuff regularly from other countries, but someone over here is telling me I can't. Ah, don't get me into it...;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:28:13 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <19971721265836334@ix.netcom.com> On 01/07/97 21:45:46 Larry wrote: >I'm seeking opinions on *the* very best injection molded 1/48th scale late war fighter >kit currently available. Please give Jerry equal time; please name your favorite German >as well as Brit/French/Yank plane kit. Please consider quality of detail, fit, molding, >resemblance to the actual craft and quality and fit of decals (especially lozenge decals >for Jerry!) when making your choices. Easy enough for me. The Eduard Albatros DV/Va hands down. If you want to do lozenge you will have to go aftermarket and I haven't seen all the entries in the field yet. (Waiting for my Pegasus order to arrive.) Besides, the last time I presumed to render a judgement on 1/48 lozenge on this list I ended up looking like the unfortunate flieger on the original Aurora Fokker DVII box art! Prosit! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 19:55:13 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <9700078526.AA852696252@mx.Ricochet.net> Eduard Sopwith Triplane (very accurate but complex rigging still has me 'at bay' DML Fokker D.VII (almost no rigging to speak of) Lindberg Jenny (miles of rigging, but reasonably accurate and cheap) Glencoe Nieuport 28 (I know, I now, but it is a good kit for its age and a decent value) Honorable Mention/FWIW: Testors/Hawk Nieuport 17 (I built and rigged this one in high school, and despite its discrepencies, still one of my most satisfying modeling experiences. *Fairly* accurate, "common as dirt", interesting schemes and endless markings options, minor to moderate corrections, not much rigging and cheap, cheap, cheap.) Disclaimer: I have no experience with Blue Max kits (which are apparently the best) as they are too blue-chip for my blood and semi-casual modeling habits, so I can't knowledgeably recommend them. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/7/97 6:47 PM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7931D3A334D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this got thru the first time but I never get the messages I post, and my computer's been acting up! Read on . . . --------------7931D3A334D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <32D20642.4484@mail.idt.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:16:02 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm soon going to sit down and build my first WWI aircraft kit, and need the help of yon aces of the web. I'm seeking opinions on *the* very best injection molded 1/48th scale late war fighter kit currently available. Please give Jerry equal time; please name your favorite German as well as Brit/French/Yank plane kit. Please consider quality of detail, fit, molding, resemblance to the actual craft and quality and fit of decals (especially lozenge decals for Jerry!) when making your choices. I am an experienced builder of kits in many mediums, but do not have 1) a whole lotta time or 2) a workshop with lathe, etc., so please don't recommend that kit you enjoyed because it was an obscure subject while also being an incredible nightmare to build! Life's too short. I'm looking for a good kit, not a good fight! Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Looking forward to your ideas, Larry --------------7931D3A334D-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 20:02:11 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Exceptionally overpriced (resin?)FT-17 tank Message-ID: <9700078526.AA852696262@mx.Ricochet.net> Anybody else visited the APC Hobbies page and seen this? From memory, it was large, at 1/24 or something and was $265.00. Let me know if I was hallucinating. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:40:40 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <199701080502.VAA28105@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Matt replied to Shane, ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > > (PS It's easier for me to translate your words into *English* in > > my head than to have 100 North Americans trying to read > > *English*. Feel free to Americanise me) > > Hey, just because you Aussie's stuck with the King's English > doesn't mean you're correct. ;-) Of course if there was a King, Matt would be toast for saying Aussies speak Kings or Queens English, If the King police didn't get you then the entire Australian nation would be up in arms for slandering them so! :-) just an observation from an ex Brit now Canuck. Or I should say Cannuck/Brit. Just as an aside does anyone know if the Blue Max Nieuport 11 is still available? Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:18:02 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] Message-ID: <199701080522.VAA29254@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Of the generally available models, all the DML models seem to be easy to build and reasonably accurate. Glencoe's are old Aurora Moulds but have really nice decals. Stay away from the Albatros, or if you are a massochist then buy two. HEHEHE (People have been known to have gone insane building one!) If you can get Blue Max then the Pfalz DXII is very nice (but pricey at least here in Canada anyway) If I was building one wwi model though it would be the DML Fokker Dr1. Virtually no rigging, is often on sale, and has very few real flaws. Undersides of the wings being its only peculiarity. Just don't paint it all red. Try one of the other schemes. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ---------- > From: Shelley Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] > Date: Tuesday, January 07, 1997 8:09 PM > > > Eduard Sopwith Triplane (very accurate but complex rigging still has me 'at bay' > DML Fokker D.VII (almost no rigging to speak of) > Lindberg Jenny (miles of rigging, but reasonably accurate and cheap) > Glencoe Nieuport 28 (I know, I now, but it is a good kit for its age and a > decent value) > Honorable Mention/FWIW: > Testors/Hawk Nieuport 17 (I built and rigged this one in high school, and > despite its discrepencies, still one of my most satisfying modeling experiences. > *Fairly* accurate, "common as dirt", interesting schemes and endless markings > options, minor to moderate corrections, not much rigging and cheap, cheap, > cheap.) > > Disclaimer: I have no experience with Blue Max kits (which are apparently the > best) as they are too blue-chip for my blood and semi-casual modeling habits, so > I can't knowledgeably recommend them. > > Riordan > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: [Fwd: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48] > Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet > Date: 1/7/97 6:47 PM > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------7931D3A334D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Sorry if this got thru the first time but I never get the messages I > post, and my computer's been acting up! Read on . . . > > --------------7931D3A334D > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > Message-ID: <32D20642.4484@mail.idt.net> > Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:16:02 -0800 > From: Lawrence Dunn > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subject: Ultimate ragwing in 1/48 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I'm soon going to sit down and build my first WWI aircraft kit, and need the > help of > yon aces of the web. > > I'm seeking opinions on *the* very best injection molded 1/48th scale late war > fighter > kit currently available. Please give Jerry equal time; please name your > favorite German > as well as Brit/French/Yank plane kit. Please consider quality of detail, fit, > molding, > resemblance to the actual craft and quality and fit of decals (especially > lozenge decals > for Jerry!) when making your choices. > > I am an experienced builder of kits in many mediums, but do not have 1) a whole > lotta > time or 2) a workshop with lathe, etc., so please don't recommend that kit you > enjoyed > because it was an obscure subject while also being an incredible nightmare to > build! > Life's too short. I'm looking for a good kit, not a good fight! > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Looking forward to your ideas, > > Larry > > --------------7931D3A334D-- > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 390 *********************