WWI Digest 389 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by "Ray Boorman" 2) U35 (New from MB Models in 1/350) by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) Current Projects by "Shelley Goodwin" 4) RE: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by Shane Weier 5) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by "Valenciano . Jose" 6) Re: Re[2]: Nieuport articles by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Re[2]: DML Sopwith Camel??? by "Shelley Goodwin" 9) Re: U35 (New from MB Models in 1/350) by "S.M. Head" 10) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by "Valenciano . Jose" 12) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) Re: This List by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 14) Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 by "Valenciano . Jose" 15) Re: This List by "Valenciano . Jose" 16) Re: Brussels Air Museum by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 17) Re: Ah'm Back! by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 18) Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 19) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by Mick Fauchon 20) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by Mick Fauchon 21) Re: Rigging stuff... by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:40:32 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <199701070345.TAA15015@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Somehow I think the DML Camel got into a dogfight with the Eduard Pfalz and both went down in flames:-). Just joking as I would love to see both appear sometime soon. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ---------- > From: John Roll > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? > Date: Monday, January 06, 1997 6:34 PM > > > Sadly, everything that I've heard would seem to confirm this. The latest > information from DML has no mention of the Camel. If they were going to > release it, there would be some kind of PR. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 19:50:15 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: U35 (New from MB Models in 1/350) Message-ID: <9700068526.AA852609140@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone know anything about this kit? I've been waiting years for a WWI U-boat model, every since "The Land that Time Forgot" came out in the '70s. Someone tell me this isn't a !@#$&% waterline model! Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 19:02:51 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Current Projects Message-ID: <9700068526.AA852609130@mx.Ricochet.net> Glencoe Pfaz D.IIIa conversion Hobbycraft Nieuport Revell Tripehound (mutilated due to out-of-date plans:-( ) Ansaldo Balilla toy 'conversion' w/Kosciuszko scheme/markings (only project finished...) Hobbycraft Ju-88C6 nachtjager conversion Quinn Martin's 'Invaders' UFO conversion/illumination Lazar's S4 saucer Fiddled with a bunch of other WWI kits, but doesn't count as 'building'. Updating topic-related web page... Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:52:34 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <01BBFCA2.09FE8FC0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi Matt, >I hope that Shane and Ray don't mind, but I've taken the >liberty to reformat their combined Nie.17 treatise to make Okay by me. However I wrote that mail some time ago and would like to add some comments which may be useful and which you may wish to include. R> Actually this might not be as bad as you think. The lower wings R> don't have enough sweepback (I think that's the correct term). Neither do the upper wings, though its only a couple of degrees and who knows, Ian Stair may be wrong though I'm inclined to think he's right in this detail. Since i decided to skin my wings, and that meant that I'd be making new ribs anyway, I "corrected" to match the drawings. M>What I've done on my 1/72nd Nie.11, is to use the Tom's cranks; M>cut a small opening for the crank, then finish it carefully with M>square files; glue the nose of the crank in; add the spar passing M>it through the crank; then align and finish glueing. Finicky though, and how you do it in 1/72 has me beat. My eventual solution was to build a stryrene box section of thin card with internal dimensions accurate for the slot, then cut and file a large hole in the wing. Slip the box into each slot, pack here and there to get accurate alignment then glue and fill around the box. That way I got a nice true rectangular slot. Probably more fuss than necessary, but I'm not all that manually adept and it helped to ensure everything was properly aligned. >Or, I might have done all three at once. I can't really >remember, and in 1/72nd it doesn't matter that the nose of the >crank is glued to the wing. I then plan on adding the rod after >everything's together. I have a feeling it isn't necessary in 1/48 either, but I'll try. Maybe pivot the crank on a styrene rod, then turn it into position while simultaneously trapping a rectangular fragment as the spar. With my fifth and sixth hands I'll be playing a Mahler symphony. S> Forward Fuselage. Should be asymmetrical in cross section and S> it's clearly visible. I'll probably add a veneer of plastic S> card or a blob of milliput to the port half and re-contour it. I eventually used the fuselage half and crash moulded two layers of 20thou card which I laminated over the panel and sanded to shape. Worked very well. S> The access panels, both sides, will need redoing too. M>Use the Tom's as patterns to fashion new ones out of plastic. Agrred R> I would also fill in the lacing it looks gross on the model and R> redo with something a bit more subtle. S> Cowling and Engine. It might be possible to drill out the S> engine, thin the cowling, cut the slots and add the stiffening S> strips (is that what they are?) from strip. M>At one time, Rosemont made a replacement cowling. Not sure if M>it's still in production, though. Sadly, when I tried to get it I was told it was no longer in production. S> However I'll probably turn it down a bit on my handy dandy S> (dangerous) drill and use it to plug mold a few shots out of 20 S> thou. Then I can mess up a few attempts at making nice even S> slots. The engine can be an Aeroclub 110hp Le Rhone since I'm S> not such a maniac as to scratchbuild one when there is a S> reasonable alternative. M>Doesn't Atlee make a 110hp, as well? He makes at least one le Rhone, a Mono, an 80hp Gnome, dunno what version of le Rhone but it's almost certainly a 9cyl 110hp. The Aeroclub engine is pretty good though and easier for me to get in Australia. Engines and Things also have a 100 Le Rhone, which should be A1 quality. John Roll will probably have all three !! S> Gun(s). From Aeroclub, too lazy again. I like the idea of an S> aircraft with both Vickers and Lewis mounts, since it will make S> it LOOK more complex without adding all that much work. M>Again, replacements also from Atlee? The Atlee Lewises I have are the ones with the thick barrel casing (Mark number escapes me), and I think it's the only type he had. magazines are wonderful though. M>Not all that complex, except for that top wing, freakin' mount. ;-) On one of the Toms sets I think (?) S> Tail surfaces. The rudder/fin looks a bit thick, and would be S> easy to replace. Small effort, big effect, so I will probably S> do it. Is the tailplane shape OK ? It differs from the plans S> but should be easy to sand down to match. M>Just replace out of card, and save yourself the hassle. Note M>that this part of the Nieuport was awfully thin on the real M>thing, and the ribs were not that noticeable. My solution too. R> Yep its a bargain in Canuck money or Aussie. IMHO its no more R> work than any of the Eduard models. True, excepting the last couple. However I bet I don't reskin any Eduard wings other than the E.III >Well, let's just hope Eduard gets it right. If they "forgot" the >exhaust channel on the Pup, who's to say they won't on the >Nie.17? Sure, they made up for it on the Triplane, but time will >tell. Man I wish every model had an error as easy to fix as the Pup exhaust channel - and no others. Bugger you Matt, I thought I'd put that damn thing aside for good, now you have me looking at it again. Ain't modelling fun Shane (PS It's easier for me to translate your words into *English* in my head than to have 100 North Americans trying to read *English*. Feel free to Americanise me) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:59:48 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > R> In the Datafile Special they show a camouflaged version for > R> Nungessor (N.1490) upper surfaces green and brown and lower > R> either clear doped or pale yellow?, also has presumed blue > R> 'Cone de penetration'. Page 16 "I" and page 28 Photo 53. Could the undersides have been doped aluminum? Another question here: The Nieuport Triplane, what colour was it? > > Again, Rosemont at one point had a 'cone', but I also think this > is out of production. > > S> Quite a long list which makes my enthusiasm for the kit seem > S> unreasonable. But my kits are cleanly molded, fairly good > S> representations of the prototype (especially considering the > S> age of the mold), provide a neat basis for an accurate model, > S> and even if I'd paid the $5 list price damned cheap. > > R> Yep its a bargain in Canuck money or Aussie. IMHO its no more > R> work than any of the Eduard models. > > Well, let's just hope Eduard gets it right. If they "forgot" the > exhaust channel on the Pup, who's to say they won't on the > Nie.17? Sure, they made up for it on the Triplane, but time will > tell. > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com > ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:06:35 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Nieuport articles Message-ID: <199701070406.AA08993@ednet1.orednet.org> Michael wrote: > What I've been doing is mixing the Smer kit and the Testor's for the >struts closest to the cockpit. I know I've seen sone Bebe's with the struts >not meeting at the middle. Them that don't have the struts meeting in the middle are Seimens Schukert D.I's and not Nieuports, I think. Pretty sure the Nieuports only came in the inverted "V" arrangement. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:13:12 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <199701070413.AA11782@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: > >On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jesse William Leo Stuart wrote: > >> I've seen ads for the DML Camel, but my local hobby shop doesn't >> think they will actually release it. Anybody heard anything about it? > >I suppose this would be a good time to ask again, >Does anyone have any comments (give a review) of Monogram's Sopwith Camel? >Is it an original mould or did they get it from Aurora too? Like all the Monogram quarter-scale WWI kits, the Camel molds originated with Aurora although they cleaned it up and considerably improved it, especially in the detail parts, for the Monogram reissue. Still not a world-beater but certainly buildable. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 20:33:55 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <9700068526.AA852611770@mx.Ricochet.net> Save some $ and get the Smer kit. The decals aren't that great (they're allegedly for Collishaw's Camel), but for the same mold I'm guessing it's about 1/2 the price. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/6/97 8:16 PM Joey Valenciano wrote: > >On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jesse William Leo Stuart wrote: > >> I've seen ads for the DML Camel, but my local hobby shop doesn't >> think they will actually release it. Anybody heard anything about it? > >I suppose this would be a good time to ask again, >Does anyone have any comments (give a review) of Monogram's Sopwith Camel? >Is it an original mould or did they get it from Aurora too? Like all the Monogram quarter-scale WWI kits, the Camel molds originated with Aurora although they cleaned it up and considerably improved it, especially in the detail parts, for the Monogram reissue. Still not a world-beater but certainly buildable. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:24:35 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: U35 (New from MB Models in 1/350) Message-ID: <9701070000.aa03903@mail.iapc.net> > Anyone know anything about this kit? I've been waiting years for a WWI > U-boat model, every since "The Land that Time Forgot" came out in the > '70s. > Someone tell me this isn't a !@#$&% waterline model! > > Riordan Not a Waterline kit. MB Models resin subs are generally super, but I don't have U-35 yet, so I can't say with confidence how it stacks up to the others in the line. I've built the "S" boat, and a few US Fleet boats and they were impeccable. Have you considered Combat models U-9 or U-35 in 1/72 scale? They are just shells, needing a lot of work, but they can be built up to be quite impressive. And it's the right scale for many on the list! With all the pains we go through as WWI model builders to make respectable replicas out of dog kits, I think a Combat sub wouldn't be too much trouble for many of us. Check with the SubCommittee (they have a website, I don't have the URL though) for more WWI kits of subs. The website has a message board in which you can leave inquiries, and many of my fellow bubbleheads are vastly knowledgeable about what kits are available. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:31:56 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <199701070531.AA21682@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: > >Another question here: >The Nieuport Triplane, what colour was it? Which one? There were at least three of 'em. Going by photos of only modest quality, I'm thinking that two of 'em were overall green/brown with aluminum undersurfaces with that typical aluminum outline to the upper wing surfaces. The third one (in RFC markings!) is lighter and could be either overall yellow or aluminum with the aluminum being my first guess. I'm reasonably comfortable with the green/brown/aluminum surmise on the first two but my comments on the RFC edition are strictly a (hopefully) educated guess - no warranties on that 'un. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:04:58 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: > Joey Valenciano wrote: > > > >Another question here: > >The Nieuport Triplane, what colour was it? > > Which one? There were at least three of 'em. > > Going by photos of only modest quality, I'm thinking that two of 'em > were overall green/brown with aluminum undersurfaces with that > typical aluminum outline to the upper wing surfaces. (snip) Firstly, thanks for the reply, I think I have drawings for the first one which would make into an interesting model both in colour and shape. But would you be one to say that Nungesser's plane was Green/Brown over Aluminum? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:25:27 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: <199701070725.AA03264@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: >Firstly, thanks for the reply, I think I have drawings for the first one >which would make into an interesting model both in colour and shape. > >But would you be one to say that Nungesser's plane was Green/Brown over >Aluminum? Nungesser apparently used -lots- of Nieuports (although, somehow, most of 'em were marked with the same 1895 serial number) so I'm unsure which one you are referring to. Going from memory, I don't recall any Nungesser green/brown/aluminum Nieuports although that is not to say there weren't any - just that I don't recall any off the top of my head. Perhaps, if you could reference a particular aircraft or a particular photo, I could give it a shot. As always, no warranties are offered. :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 07:58:05 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <32d1ff9c.1423718@relay.ping.be> On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:33:49 -0500, you wrote: --- snip --- > >So, for all you lurkers, what are you currently working on? > I'm currently working on a Emhar hippet (1/35 scale). The forms are right, but the details make me think of a 1960 vintage kit. I have the Airwaves photo-etch detail set and I'm trying to get rid of the air intakes louvres on the sides of the beast. They are molded as big plastic lumps on the sides of the tank. I have to saw and gouge them out and I'll have to remake all the surrounding details. Many details to be looked after or to make erverywhere around the kit too. BTW, has anyone found a practical way to deal with the Tauro A7V tracks? They're a real pain in the ... as they are moulded in soft vinyl with separate links that are to be assembled by small metallic pins. The problem is that the holes in the links tend to tear, leaving me with small lengths of tracks completely impossible to reassemble with any success as to the strength or alignement. Regards. Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium foreign liaison officer (member F147) http://www.ping.be/IPMS Plastic Modelling is holding history in your hand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:04:45 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testors/Hawk Nie.17 Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: > Joey Valenciano wrote: > > Nungesser apparently used -lots- of Nieuports (although, somehow, most of > 'em were marked with the same 1895 serial number) so I'm unsure which one > you are referring to. I'm referring to the profile in the Nieuport Datafile Special, vol.1 ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:15:22 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Michel LEFORT wrote: > I'm currently working on a Emhar hippet (1/35 scale). The forms are > right, but the details make me think of a 1960 vintage kit. I have the > Airwaves photo-etch detail set What do you get in the detail set? louvers? What else? > I'm trying to get rid of the air > intakes louvres on the sides of the beast. They are molded as big > plastic lumps on the sides of the tank. You could grind them away with a moto tool with minimum effort. > BTW, has anyone found a practical way to deal with the Tauro A7V > tracks? They're a real pain in the ... as they are moulded in soft vinyl > with separate links that are to be assembled by small metallic pins. The > problem is that the holes in the links tend to tear How about sustituting wire of a smaller diameter for the pins, would this work? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:37:25 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: Brussels Air Museum Message-ID: <32d60a56.4169542@relay.ping.be> Here is the Belgian member to the rescue ;-) On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:35:51 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Peter! > >On 01/06/97 11:55:17 you wrote: >> >> On the air museum in Brussels: =20 >>Any help here will be greatly appreciated > >>1) On what days is it closed? > >This is not in the guidebook I purchased at the museum but you can = probably =20 >count on it being closed on national holidays. Belgium is a Catholic=20 >country so there are a number of religious holidays as well. That's right about the religious holidays. The Museum is also closed every monday. > >>2) Can I take photographs in there? Flash?? Tripod?? > >I was politely but firmly (in French) requested to leave all photo gear = in=20 >the check room. The personnel at the entrance were Air Force types but = none=20 >spoke English. I believe that they are desirous of selling post cards = and=20 >literature at the gift shop rather than letting you take pictures for=20 >free. My gear was cheerfully returned when I left. I have read that you= can=20 >make arrangements in advance to take photos but how you go about this I=20 >can't say. We have a Belgian member on this newsgroup. Perhaps he can=20 >help. I quite enjoyed my visit. They were doing a number of = restoration=20 >projects on the exhibits. In 1988 they had an unrestored Halberstadt C = V in=20 >original lozenge and an unrestored LVG C VI. If you are taking the = metro,=20 >the stop is Merode. Be sure to include the 'o'! Brussels is a great = town=20 >for food and beer. E-mail me direct for some restaurant or cafe=20 >recommendations. > You can have an authorization, but you have to write to the Curator to ask him for the permission. Be sure to ask that at least two months in advance (three or four is better). Here is the address: Brussels Air Museum Parc du Cinquantenaire 3 B-1040 Bruxelles Belgium. =46WIW, here is a list of the WWI aircrafts to be seen in the Museum Voisin-Farman 1909 (being restored) Triplan Bataille 1912 (only some bits and pieces) Bleriot XI 1913 (some pieces) Caudron GIII 1914 MF XI 1914 Aviatik CI 1915 Nieuport 17 1915 (a 23 really!!!) =46BA Type H 1915 Voisin III LA 1915 Hanriot HD-1 1916 RAF RE8 1916 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1916 Spad XIII 1917 Sopwith Camel F1 1917 =46okker DrI 1917 (replica) Halberstadt CV 1918 (sole survivor it seems) LVG C VI 1918 If you want to know about the later aircrafts, just let me know, but the list is much longer with new types being regularly added. BTW, let me know when you come to Belgium. May be can we arrange a meeting. Also, feel free to ask for any information that you need about Belgium. Regards. Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium foreign liaison officer (member F147) http://www.ping.be/IPMS Plastic Modelling is holding history in your hand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:41:53 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ah'm Back! Message-ID: <199701070841.TAA10796@world.net> > >What models have we finished & worked on this year? > 1/72 Aeroclub Bristol Scout D 1/48 Dragon Frokker Dr1 1/72 Pegasus Pfalz DIIIa 1/72 Roseplane Caproni-Pensuti Triplane 1/48 Eduard Albatros DV When I re-started modelling I decided I would be a devout quarter-scaler, and as you can see I vehemently stuck to it! My favorite kit for the year was the Pegasus Pfalz followed VERY closely by the Dragon Dr1. Vincent ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:02:51 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Sopwith Camel??? Message-ID: <199701070902.UAA17891@world.net> Blue Max will be coming to the rescue with a 1/48 Camel this year. Chris Gannon must know something about the DML kit that we dont't. >Jesse hopefully typed: > >> I've seen ads for the DML Camel, but my local hobby shop doesn't >>think they will actually release it. Anybody heard anything about it? > >Sadly, everything that I've heard would seem to confirm this. The latest >information from DML has no mention of the Camel. If they were going to >release it, there would be some kind of PR. > >Boy do I hope I'm wrong! > >John Roll > > >john@rollmodels.com >http://www.rollmodels.com >The Internet Model Shop > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:38:03 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: Greg, > > > > Which means the have to travel against gravity a distance of > >close to two inches. ?? > > > > Not at all. First, examine the scale drawings of the two types of Spandaus > on page 126 of Harry Woodman's 'Early Aircraft Armament'. Gad! I wish I had that book ! 80( It's coming on Inter-library-loan, but I don't know how long it will take to reach me. Note that on the > LMG 08 (as used on Dr Is) the lower receiver has been cut back to a point > just forward of the rear edge of the cartridge feed slot. It has also been > cut upwards to a point even with the bottom edge of the fusee spring housing > on the left side of the receiver. The metal panel on the Dr Is upper deck > (forward of the control cable openings)follows the contour of the middle > wing upper surface. The guns must be mounted high enough so that the > cooling jackets clear this panel. As you move aft the panel slopes downward > slightly. Also the panels outboard of the receivers arc down to meet the > longerons at the upper corners of the fuselage. Yep, that's correct: I'm still presuming the cases travel slightly foreward and then down. > > Now examine the following photos in Imrie's Triplane book: #26, #110, #139. > In these photos the bottom of the fusee cover (and thus the bottom of the > forward receiver) clears the top decking of the fuselage by quite sufficient > space to allow the installation of the ejector trays. The cartridges didn't > have to travel upward at all to clear the top of the fuselage. Examine > photo #132 of Goering's field-made shell deflectors. If the shells aren't > coming out along the top of the fuselage why did he install those > deflectors? A similar deflector appears in photo #16 in the Datafile > Special. Also in the Datafile see photos #61 and 62. You can see the lips > of identical ejector trays for the right hand gun protruding behind the feed > chute. I hope I have explained this clearly. I had to draw a picture for > Eisenhour and then show him my Revell 1/28 Dr I (complete with tiny ejector > trays installed). Unfortunately I can't do that in this forum. Thank you > for your indulgence. Not at all: point taken. My only problem is that I can't make out the tray for the lh gun on von Greven's machine. Where is it? Thanks for all of the foregoing. There is a little more, so read on until you get to Bill's post. I should like a Cohiba Churchill please. Of course: you've noticed, I trust, that I'm not only gracious in victory, but also magnanimous in defeat 80) It's been a really great exchange. > > Cheers! Cheers indeed! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:41:11 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: Matt, > > that in this forum. Thank you for your indulgence. I should > > like a Cohiba Churchill please. > > Actually, you could, Greg. Why not take a close up photo of your > wonderful model, send it to Al to post it on the web page? I > know it will do a lot to help all these explanations to this > modeler! .......having publicly eaten my hat 80) Amen to the above, it would also help this modeller. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:52:57 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rigging stuff... Message-ID: Matt, > > Were turnbuckles present on every rigging line on a plane? What > > do you guys use to simulate turnbuckles? > > Not sure if they were present everywhere, On ly on those wires that required tensioning. but in 1/72nd, who's going to notice Smirk 80) What do you 1/48th guys use? Black paint. Literally. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 389 *********************