WWI Digest 383 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. by Shane Weier 2) RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. by Brian Nicklas 3) RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. by Shane Weier 4) Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots by Carlos Valdes 5) RE: This List by Shane Weier 6) Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots by Alberto Rada 7) RE: This List by Shane Weier 8) Glencoe Nie.28 parts (are parts...) by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns by "Carl J. Bobrow" 10) Re: Sunday, 31 December 1916, Plessis (2nd entry of the day) by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Re: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) RE: This List by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by gspring@ix.netcom.com 15) Re[2]: Who won? by "Shelley Goodwin" 16) Re[5]: This List - Air or Armor? by "Shelley Goodwin" 17) Re[7]: This List - Air or Armor? by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Re: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe by "Shelley Goodwin" 19) DH10 by "Shelley Goodwin" 20) Cooper, Fauntleroy, Tinker by "Shelley Goodwin" 21) RE: This List by Mick Fauchon 22) RE: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by Shane Weier 23) Re[2]: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) Re: This List by Lawrence Dunn 25) Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 26) RE: This List by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) Re: Glencoe Nie.28 parts (are parts...) by "S.M. Head" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:08:57 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. Message-ID: <01BBF955.C0A07C20@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi all, Damn it. I just finish posting: >After that date the offer will be open to the first taker. If >"you (and/or your Internet friends) are interested, I suggest that you >advise me accordingly, so that we can commence >"negotiations immediately after the expiry date of my offer" >So, if anyone is interested, mail me as soon as possible, and I will >contact Eric. .. and I get a call from Eric to say that they have been sold. Sorry folks, if I got anyones hopes up. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 18:24:16 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. Message-ID: <199701022327.SAA03462@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Shane, Any word on who or what organization bought them? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:45:09 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Some Albatros photos for sale. Message-ID: <01BBF95A.CFAE4C60@pc087b.mim.com.au> >Shane, >Any word on who or what organization bought them? >Brian A member of ASWW1AH is all I know. They stay in Australia, though there are apparently a lot of sets floating about the world. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:10:00 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots Message-ID: <32CC4048.6335@conted.gatech.edu> Brian, I second Jim's comments. If you are interested in German fighter pilots, you should definitely get both Above the Lines and The Jasta Pilots. I found the latter's admittedly brief discussion of Jasta colors a very useful addendum. Also, if you get it from a place like The Supply Depot or APC Hobbies you can save some money. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:36:05 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: This List Message-ID: <01BBF961.ED86D0C0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hello all, While I was away the inquisitive one with the leeetle teeeensy planes asked >So, for all you lurkers, what are you currently working on? Well, I'm way too windy to qualify as a lurker, but since others of the brotherhood of the mouth have stepped in I suppose I'll let you all know what I've been working on. Two WW1 projects have crossed my worktop in the *limited* time I've had for modelling during my brief summer vacation Eduard Morane-Saulnier L Neat kit. The fuselage is done, black longeron stripes, ply panels, black pinstripes, rubbing patches and all. The wing is almost done. It's painted with fairly laborious counter shading to represent the ribs and other internals as seen through a translucent surface. Each of the rigging / control wire points is drilled with TWO holes about 0.7mm apart, and each of these points has had a small decal patch applied to represent the strengthening around the holes in the fabric. I have started to glue little inverted "V"'s of 0.1mm copper wire in the holes - they represent a wire loop which goes into the wing and around the spars - see the drawings in the datafile. Easy so far, but tedious. Have also made a jig and commenced building the undercarriage OFF the aircraft. This because the general fragility of the aircraft and my innate clumsiness made adding an undercarriage AFTER the wing impossible, and the reverse also unlikely, unless I was sure it would all line up correctly at the first attempt. I'm now a bit worried about how to do the main wing support structure. I may actually drill holes right through my (now painted - gulp) wing and replace the Eduard etched structure with brass rod goiing all the way from engine decking through the wing to the top of the warp pylon. Otherwise I fear some trouble in making the parts above and below the wing LOOK like a single, straight, piece. Bristol F.2b Made a complete mess of etching instrument panel, radiator parts, control horns etc. Used up the last of my resist too, so at A$35 a can I'll have to wait for post Christmas poverty to ease before I make another attempt. OTOH, I repaired the cowl master (damaged last time I tried to punch mould the cowl, tossing against a wall will do that :-( ) and am about ready to try and get it right for the tenth time. I always need a *few* goes, but this is getting silly. I did make some progress. The cockpit interior is complete excepting only the pilots harness and control stick. Looking okay by my standards. OTHER projects. I have two daughters aged six and six. They've been asking to build a model, so I asked what they'd like to build. "Dinosaurs" Bought them a couple of cheapies for Christmas, which they glued together one afternoon and painted the next. Great fun. Now I *know* why I loved the hobby as a kid., though I had to bite my tongue about breaking bits off the sprue, getting glue on fingers etc. Let them have fun learning it themselves. Now they want to bring them to club and show them, so I have to call a few of the not so child aware members and tell THEM to bite their tongues and *encourage* the kids. Am also building a Airfix S******* Out of Box, so I have something to shoot down all them 109's at the club - but THAT is off topic eh? Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:37:49 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots Message-ID: <199701030037.UAA26256@fw.true.net> At 05:58 PM 1/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >I got it and would recommend it - but probably you should also get "Above the >Lines" as well. "Above..." covers the German aces. "Jasta..." covers >everyone else, in alphabetic order. Both books are mainly _real_ (sometimes >just date of birth) brief biographies of pilots, plus a list of units they >were assigned to and victories, if any. Altho' the aces are included in the >alpha roster in "Jasta..." in each case the reader is referred to "Above..." > From a modeller's perspective, the key part of "Jasta..." are the unit >descriptions and info (with one tone drawing each) on the markings of each of >the Jastas, done by Greg v Wyngarden, of Aerofrome Muddler fame (okay, I >guess he's done a couple of other things since). Both "Above..." and >"Jasta..." are likely to be fundemental references for the foreseeable >future, so if you can, get 'em. > Dear Jim, Could you please look up for me in both books ( I haven't got them yet ) if there is any entry for Carlos Meyer Baldo, I believe he flew for Jasta 11, Planes he flew etc. thanks a lot SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:52:54 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: This List Message-ID: <01BBF964.46A22D60@pc087b.mim.com.au> Gerry, While I was at home watching Australia capitulate to WI in just 3 days, you posted: >I love this group- it is informative, polite and endlessly helpful. Best >wishes of the season- >Shane - can we meet at Lords in July? For the Ashes Test ? Love to. Now where's my shotgun and balaclava, I have to make a withdrawal from a bank. Shane PS - Since England barely escaped a beating by Zimbabwe, you better get your tickets for the first two days !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:38:43 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Glencoe Nie.28 parts (are parts...) Message-ID: <19970102.194032.13438.1.mbittner@juno.com> Well, in thinking I was going to build the Glencoe Nie.28, I ordered the Atlee update set from Rosemont. It came today, and a "short" review follows. The set consists of a replacement cowling, a replacement fin/rudder, and replacement wheels. The resin is very nice. Reminds me of injected plastic. The molding on these parts is almost perfect; the "small" problem is in the cowl. Starting with the cowl, it has the necessary "holes", as well as a molded in fuel filler cap. The problem (if you want to call it that) is the back of the cowl needs the "vac form treatment"; sand it on a flat surface to get a perfect, flat surface. Other than that, this part is perfect, and (fwiw) it matches the Datafile plans. The fin/rudder is also nice, but falls a little short in comparing it to the Datafile. Oh well, it's nothing to get stroked about, as it appears to be less than 1mm. The wheels are also quite wonderful, spot on to the Datafile, and even include the "inflation nozzles" (or whatever you want to call them). At $8.00, I think this set is a steal, especially since I normally don't build in this Braille Scale. ;-) I also think everybody knows that I've decided to build the Correct Scale (, it's a joke, folks) Revell kit, which only requires strut replacement and cowl replacement (this coming from Roseparts). But that's another post... Anybody have a quick way to do the Glencoe Nie.28 interior? I'm thinking about getting the Lone Star brass set, but I'm unsure if it's worth the $15 or so. Thoughts? Also FWIW, I'm going to get the Atlee Monosoupape, seat and guns for this kit. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:15:00 +0000 From: "Carl J. Bobrow" To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns Message-ID: <32CC3364.6844@pipeline.com> You might want to check Harry Woodman's excellent book Early Aircraft Armament, The Aeroplane and The Gun Up To 1918. There are all sorts of info there. cjb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:41:33 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sunday, 31 December 1916, Plessis (2nd entry of the day) Message-ID: <199701030341.WAA04234@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:40 AM 1/2/97 -0500, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >Rob wrote: >> >> > Nothing from beloved Gertrude as usual.... Wrote a >> > long letter to her and addressed it, as I have done for some time lately, >> > in care of her aunt Mrs Curry Barlow, in Ossining. >> >> A ha! Could it be that Mrs. Barlow is the villain of the piece? >> Perhaps she disapproves of this mercenary flyboy and his (no doubt) >> newly acquired French habits. Perhaps she hopes a heart-broken >> Gertie will settle down with that nice dentist from Auntie's bridge >> club. >> Rob, >> robj@speechsys.com. > >I'll second this suspicion! (I haven't read ahead). >Bradley I must admit, this thought also crossed my mind. God but we're a cunical group! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:41:35 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe Message-ID: <199701030341.WAA04243@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:43 AM 1/2/97 -0500, Mark Shannon wrote: >Since we're currently touching on the topic of Nieuports, I'm wondering >what 1/48 scale (of course) kits are or are planned as available. Has >Smer or Glencoe put out the old Aurora Nieuport 11? Is there a rumor >that Eduard will release a new kit? > >The reason I ask is that the Scale Models article shows information for >the factory finish of the Macchi built Bebes. Picture this, overall >natural or silver doped, underside of outer 2/3's of port wings red, >starboards green, Tricolori diagonal band behind cockpit (or roundel), >rudder, and sometimes tailplane, green/white/red, cowling >green/white/red, and black rib tapes on fuselage longerons and >tailplane. >It sounds more like a demonstration team than a warplane, doesn't it. This is what I've been working on for ages now. I decided to go without the tri-color band. I also decided to forego the dark outline that appeared along the fuselage and outlined the wings. I'm using the Smer kit, mostly because it's soooo cheap. I couldn't find any photos of the specific planes I wanted but did read that 2 Macchi Bebe's attempted to shoot down an A-H balloon so I kept the rockets on the struts. With any luck, this bear willbe ready within a few days. I planned on giving it to a friend when his office opened today...oh well, maybe it'll only be a little late. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:41:38 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Book: The Jasta Pilots Message-ID: <199701030341.WAA04253@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:44 PM 1/2/97 -0500, Brian Nicklas wrote: >Before I spend $45.00, does anyone have a review >or comments on the Grub Street Press book >"The Jasta Pilots"? Mini review(I just got it for Christmas):Cool painting on dust jacket! OK a little more. Most of it seems like a supplement for the pilots who didn't acheive ace status. The bulk of the book is an alphabetical litsing of all Jasta pilot and their victories...except for the aces who's total are given and then the reader is referred to the German Aces book they wrote(title escapes me). Theres a beginning section listing all the Jasta and some basic info on commanders, airfields, aircraft claimed and pilots lost. Finally, there is a section at the end that was done by Greg Van W. with almost all of the Jasta included that attempts to summarize Jasta markings. I found this section the most interesting. The rest is probably for people really into heavy duty research about obscure pilots. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:41:40 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: This List Message-ID: <199701030341.WAA04263@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:40 PM 1/2/97 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: Major deletions >I have two daughters aged six and six. They've been asking to build a >model, so I asked what they'd like to build. "Dinosaurs" > >Bought them a couple of cheapies for Christmas, which they glued together >one afternoon and painted the next. Great fun. Now I *know* why I loved >the hobby as a kid., though I had to bite my tongue about breaking bits off >the sprue, getting glue on fingers etc. Let them have fun learning it >themselves. Now they want to bring them to club and show them, so I have >to call a few of the not so child aware members and tell THEM to bite their >tongues and *encourage* the kids. Same with my daughter. She did a T-rex and painted the underbelly bright orange! The color police would have had a field day! ;-)) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:59:31 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: <199712205820541@ix.netcom.com> On 01/02/97 11:32:40 Mark wrote: (snippity doo-dah) >I'd have to check, but I seem to recall a picture in either the >Squadron/Signal DRI book, Nowarra's other DrI/DVII book, or Imrie's >Triplane book that shows where a squadron or personal level modification >was done making a 'rain gutter' type fairing to steer the spent >cartridges around the cockpit coaming. This would seem to indicate that >they just popped out of the breech to fall on the midwing area and go >where they would from there. You are correct, sir! In Imrie's book there is a photo on page 85 showing the gun arrangement on Alfred Greven's triplane. Beneath the ammunition feed chute on the left hand weapon (in this photo) there is a tray with a curved forward edge. Beneath the right hand gun's belt chute and spring cover is the trailing edge of a similar tray cut in a 90 degree arc. These are the spent cartridge ejection 'gutters'. I presume that the forward edges of these are shaped to cause the forward-traveling cases to rebound outward and to the rear, (hopefully) tossing them clear of the fuselage. If you are planning to build the Revell 1/28 Dr I the wing nuts securing the metal panels can be replicated using photo-etched wheel weights from the automotive modelers aftermarket goodies. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 19:58:13 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Who won? Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265134@mx.Ricochet.net> Rob, Got your Griffin GIF but can't look at it as we lack capability to decode/decipher it. Please send GIF or jpeg as an attatchment to message if possible; if not, send hardcopy. Can't wait to get a look at your Freikorps reference; all I have are a few odds & ends in various books. The 'first draft' of the Rumpler article is nearly compete-I'm up to the G II. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Who won? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/2/97 8:56 AM Riordan: I do. A book on the Freikorps (title and author elude me, but I will make a note to look it up tonight). My opinion on the motives of the German High command are based on this book in large part. It certainly blows away the "good soldiers vs. Nazis" excuse we hear so often about German conduct in the other war, as well as making the atrocities in Belgium easier to understand. I think you will find the German Reds far more sympathetic figures after reading this. Did you get the Griffin GIF? What do you think? Ciao. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 18:47:09 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[5]: This List - Air or Armor? Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265124@mx.Ricochet.net> Steve, Doesn't Tauro or some other co. put out 1/35 late WWI Germans, tank crew and Sturmtruppen in white metal that are kinda pricey? Coulda sworn I saw 'em in a Squadron catalog. These would be better suited to we less talented/ambitious modelers:-( Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[4]: This List - Air or Armor? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/2/97 7:35 AM Riordan, Yes, Revell does make 1/76 late war German Infantry - but they're not very good. Soft plastic, and stiff posing, etc. (No Bergman MG's). I scratch/heavily convert WW II Germans in 1/35 (Airfix multi-pose, DML & Tamiya parts) into WW I Germans for vignettes & dioramas, resin casting all of my own equipment from scratchbuilt masters, and redoing all uniforms & poses with DURO epoxy putty, etc. - so I don't have to screw around with enamel adhesion to soft plastic problems. Steve H. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[3]: This List - Air or Armor? Author: _WWI@PEASE1.SR.UNH.EDU (SMTP.WWI) at SSWGATE Date: 1/1/97 3:33 AM Steve, Does Revell-Germany put out the set of "rubber"/urethane or ???? late-war Germany infantry, and if so, are any of the NCOs armed w/ Bergman smgs? Also, how do you get enamels to stick to that stuff? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: This List - Air or Armor? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/31/96 9:19 AM About the 210mm artillery pieces; They *probably* used the same 3 paints/colors that many German infantrymen used to camouflage their steel helmets during the last 1 1/2 to 2 years of the war: These Humbrol enamel shades are close: Dark yellow ochre (Humbrol #63) (though a bit more yellow) Dark reddish brown (Humbrol #160) Dark green (Humbrol #30) From the photos I've seen of these the colors were usually applied in more of a random/'curvey' pattern on artillery pieces - rather than a lozenge or splinter type application. The base coat/color is almost certainly field gray (retained as a fourth camo color on some helmets by paintng around parts of the existing color with the new). (I collect these old German steel helmets, so I've seen quite a few). Steve H. (The Mad Norseman!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 96-12-30 09:35:04 EST, you write: >Gott in Himmel!! Do you think the 210mm was a bigger piece? I wonder if >I should do my 1/35 210mm with the gaudy splinter scheme. Any details on >the colors used on those Rock Island guns? Also, do you know if the WWI >210mm used the wheel-shoes, or were they only "worn" in that OTHER war? Bob did a 21cm piece, it isn't in splinter but a scheme somewhat reminiscent of lozenge. . I believe the base color was feldgrau with a reddish brown, green, etc. I can get back to you after i talk to Bob as he mixes his own colors using testors enamels. His 2120 hs the steel roms with steel grousers that he scratched from plastic strip. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 18:39:22 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[7]: This List - Air or Armor? Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265115@mx.Ricochet.net> Larry, I hafta do something to delay the inevitable onset of senility, and keeping people's names straight is a good excercise. I wish to avoid being a doddering young fool if at all possible, so please spare me any well-intentioned politeness and let me know when I'm out of it. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[5]: This List - Air or Armor? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/2/97 5:22 AM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Larry, > > I could've sworn I saw 'Steve' at the bottom of your message <:-| > ...thought you were the Mad Norseman, Steve Hustad. Please forgive my > chronic confusion. > Thanks for the response-all I need is another set of those danged > little rubbery soldiers! The Conquistadores & Aztecs are pretty cool > though...What species of acrylics do you favor? > > Riordan > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Re[3]: This List - Air or Armor? > Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet > Date: 1/1/97 9:59 AM > > Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > > > > Steve, > > > > Does Revell-Germany put out the set of "rubber"/urethane or ???? late-war > > Germany infantry, and if so, are any of the NCOs armed w/ Bergman smgs? > > Also, how do you get enamels to stick to that stuff? > > > > Riordan > > Hi: > > Revell AG does indeed do their Jerrys late war, and some of them do have > the Bergmann. Unfortunately, it seems to be hard to find artillery or > flamethrowers for their scale -- scratch-building would be a necessity. > > I painted mine with acrylics, so can't speak for enamels. But I just > primed them with Floquil White Spray, and painted! Worked fine, but I > know enamels are a different story. Good luck. > > Larry Coming in from (or, rather, back to) model-building from painting wargames miniatures, I just continued to use Polly-S, my figurine paint of choice. I'm very happy with their effect, but they dry very fast so don't really allow "wet-on-wet" painting effects. I know people who wargame with the Revell AG Thirty Years War and the Saxons/Normans figurines -- people come up to the table and are baffled by who manufactures them! Wonder how they'd feel if they knew the figs were plastic "toys" which are bigger, nicer and cheaper than 15mm lead figurines! The Civil War and Napoleonic lines are so popular that other manufacturers have stepped in to fill in the (gaping) holes in these lines for completelness of the armies! BTW, I've replied to several of your posts to the whole board even though you've addressed another person in your greeting. I can imagine how this might be annoying, and will stop if you'd like. Regards, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 20:02:00 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265143@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark, Smer has the old Aurora kit out, resplendent with Red markings and charging cossacks on the box. Lotta work, but it's a cheap thrill. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/2/97 8:50 AM Since we're currently touching on the topic of Nieuports, I'm wondering what 1/48 scale (of course) kits are or are planned as available. Has Smer or Glencoe put out the old Aurora Nieuport 11? Is there a rumor that Eduard will release a new kit? The reason I ask is that the Scale Models article shows information for the factory finish of the Macchi built Bebes. Picture this, overall natural or silver doped, underside of outer 2/3's of port wings red, starboards green, Tricolori diagonal band behind cockpit (or roundel), rudder, and sometimes tailplane, green/white/red, cowling green/white/red, and black rib tapes on fuselage longerons and tailplane. It sounds more like a demonstration team than a warplane, doesn't it. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 20:17:16 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: DH10 Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265161@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, The stuff went in the mail today. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 20:15:08 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Cooper, Fauntleroy, Tinker Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852265152@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone have the Time/Life Epic of Flight "Soldiers of Fortune" volume who is willing to copy a couple chapters? YT, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 15:33:06 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: This List Message-ID: Mike, > Same with my daughter. She did a T-rex and painted the underbelly > bright orange! The color police would have had a field day! ;-)) With a T-rex?! I'd like to see 'em give him a ticket, he-he! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:36:22 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: <01BBF983.8105E5E0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Mark wrote: > This would seem to indicate that >they just popped out of the breech to fall on the midwing area and go >where they would from there. Somewhere, *somewhere* I can't find, I read a line about getting a facefull of hot cartridges when the guns were fired. So *maybe* there were NO facilities to take them away aside from the ejector and slipstream. Don't discount this too suddenly. As a former M-60 gunner I vividly recall hot empties going down my collar on occasion - but the Army never wasted any extra on MY comfort. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 20:36:04 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe Message-ID: <9700028522.AA852266290@mx.Ricochet.net> Mike, Although not a member of the scale police, I'm just wondering if you realize the rockets & 'guide sticks' of the Smer may be too BIG for a 1/28 Bebe... If you don't care, you're well on your way to recovering from AMS (Advanced Modeler's Syndrome), which causes us to make tortuous, obsessive ordeals out of the simplest models. Or, you may be one of the few on the list never to have been afflicted... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Nieuport/Macchi 11 Bebe Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/2/97 7:40 PM At 11:43 AM 1/2/97 -0500, Mark Shannon wrote: >Since we're currently touching on the topic of Nieuports, I'm wondering >what 1/48 scale (of course) kits are or are planned as available. Has >Smer or Glencoe put out the old Aurora Nieuport 11? Is there a rumor >that Eduard will release a new kit? > >The reason I ask is that the Scale Models article shows information for >the factory finish of the Macchi built Bebes. Picture this, overall >natural or silver doped, underside of outer 2/3's of port wings red, >starboards green, Tricolori diagonal band behind cockpit (or roundel), >rudder, and sometimes tailplane, green/white/red, cowling >green/white/red, and black rib tapes on fuselage longerons and >tailplane. >It sounds more like a demonstration team than a warplane, doesn't it. This is what I've been working on for ages now. I decided to go without the tri-color band. I also decided to forego the dark outline that appeared along the fuselage and outlined the wings. I'm using the Smer kit, mostly because it's soooo cheap. I couldn't find any photos of the specific planes I wanted but did read that 2 Macchi Bebe's attempted to shoot down an A-H balloon so I kept the rockets on the struts. With any luck, this bear willbe ready within a few days. I planned on giving it to a friend when his office opened today...oh well, maybe it'll only be a little late. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 23:38:50 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <32CCB78A.4D10@mail.idt.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > Same with my daughter. She did a T-rex and painted the underbelly > bright orange! The color police would have had a field day! ;-)) > Mike Muth Mike: Congratulate your daughter's wisdom! Since dinosaurs probably had very keen color vision (the living ones do), at least some no doubt were extremely colorful -- if we could somehow figure out what colors they were, that color "dinosaur grey" would probably go extinct! A junior paleontologist in the works, I see . . . Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:10:10 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I machine guns Message-ID: <199701030510.AA03061@ednet1.orednet.org> Carl J. Bobrow scratched in charcoal on the cave walls: >You might want to check Harry Woodman's excellent book Early Aircraft >Armament, The Aeroplane and The Gun Up To 1918. There are all sorts of >info there. >cjb Perhaps if you have the book, you might be willing to check out this question and post the results of your research? Harry's book ain't exactly easy to come by. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:18:32 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: This List Message-ID: <199701030518.AA06116@ednet1.orednet.org> Mick typed: > > Mike, > >> Same with my daughter. She did a T-rex and painted the underbelly >> bright orange! The color police would have had a field day! ;-)) > > With a T-rex?! I'd like to see 'em give him a ticket, he-he! Would you sign here for your citation, sir? The approved color for the T-Rex undersurfaces (in the 65,000,000 BCE scheme) is FS 34107. :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 00:22:37 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Nie.28 parts (are parts...) Message-ID: <9701030005.aa15855@mail.iapc.net> Matt wrote: >Anybody have a quick way to do the Glencoe Nie.28 interior? I'm >thinking about getting the Lone Star brass set, but I'm unsure if >it's worth the $15 or so. Thoughts? It's a great set done by Fotocut, but LSM's Nie.28 (which the photoetch was made for) is slightly smaller than the Glenco kit. It should still work, and I was planning the same approach for mine. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 383 *********************