WWI Digest 381 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: This List by "Leonard Endy" 2) Re: Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: Re[3]: This List - Air or Armor? by Lawrence Dunn 4) Re: Lovely Modeling weather by Ray Boorman 5) Re: Nieuport request by Ray Boorman 6) Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 7) RE: Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville by Peter Kilduff 8) Re: Nieuport request by Mark Shannon 9) Re: Saturday, 30 December 1916, Blessis, Paris & back again by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville by Ray Boorman 11) Re: Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 13) RE: Nieuport request by Shane Weier 14) Re: Nieuport request by aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) 15) Re: Nieuport request by mbittner@juno.com 16) Nie.28 question by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: This List by Mick Fauchon 18) Re: Nieuport request by Alberto Rada 19) Re: This List by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: Nie.28 question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re[2]: Nieuport request by "Shelley Goodwin" 22) Re[5]: This List - Air or Armor? by "Shelley Goodwin" 23) Re[2]: Nieuport request by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) Re[2]: This List by "Shelley Goodwin" 25) Re: This List by Mick Fauchon 26) Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 09:36:33 Eastern Standard Time From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <19970101093633.07829206.in@legend.firstsaga.com> Okay, might as well join in... Just finished repairing a DML Dr.1 that was damaged a couple of years ago while moving. I have the DML Fokker D.VIII and Glencoe Spad XIII waiting for paint, have to strip a bad coat of white off the D.VIII tail feathers first. Probably have to put on a blindfold and just pick for my next subject, although I'm leaning towards the Eduard SSW D.III. Also have to finish off a 1/700th Perry Class Frigate. My first foray into ships. (This is a paternally obligated project - my son is a crew member on one.) Happy New Year to all... Len nl: GD "Dozin' At The Knick" nr: Passage Through Armageddon QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 11:27:48 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970101.102937.14614.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:39:40 -0500 Mark Shannon writes: > The series was fairly complete. In addition to the ones you > have, I have the Nieu. 11, 12, and the combo 17bis-24-27 > articles. Let me know your address again and I'll see what I > turn up on them. That would be great, thanks! I don't suppose you have the article on the Nie.10? Here's the snail mail: Matt Bittner 11213 Y St Omaha NE 68137 Have a Happy New Year! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:55:17 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[3]: This List - Air or Armor? Message-ID: <32CACF35.681A@mail.idt.net> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Steve, > > Does Revell-Germany put out the set of "rubber"/urethane or ???? late-war > Germany infantry, and if so, are any of the NCOs armed w/ Bergman smgs? > Also, how do you get enamels to stick to that stuff? > > Riordan Hi: Revell AG does indeed do their Jerrys late war, and some of them do have the Bergmann. Unfortunately, it seems to be hard to find artillery or flamethrowers for their scale -- scratch-building would be a necessity. I painted mine with acrylics, so can't speak for enamels. But I just primed them with Floquil White Spray, and painted! Worked fine, but I know enamels are a different story. Good luck. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 10:13:12 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Lovely Modeling weather Message-ID: <32CAA938.1D32@lynx.bc.ca> DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: > > Please note that the Pegasus 1 1/2 strutter needs to have the fuselage sides > packed out and the seam filled. I noticed that they shaved (off of the > Czechmaster (00Ps, did I say that?) resin master when cutting the mold.) > roughly 1/16th of an inch off the mating surfaces of the fuselage sides. > Put the fuslage sides togther and hold the wings in position. You will see > what I mean. > > Other than that, its a great kit! Ray Replied, yes you're right the fuselage is way to slim. I had looked in the datafile and the fuselage is about an 1/8 of an inch too slim. However the area around the cowling didnt appear to be as off. I packed as much plastic strip as I could around the cockpits. However forward of the cockpit area I pulled the sides together and filled the gaps with milliput. I did the same for the back. So the area around the cockpits is 1/8 wider and it trails of the further back you go. I'm not sure this is entirely accurate but it doesn't look too bad. I still have some cleanup to do of the milliput and strip. Hopefully the rear turtle decking won't look to wide and flat? Does anyone know of any decals that match the chicks emblem on the front cover of the datafile. Most 1 1/2 strutters you see are always in english markings and I thought for a change I would finish mine as per the cover of the datafile in French marking's. As for the weather well the big storm is over and dumped a huge amount of snow on BC. Lots of roofs have sagged or collapsed according to the news. Especially modern flat roofs. For a while all the highways were closed and they had snow cats patrolling looking for vehicles caught in the storm. They were the only vehicles able to get through. Of course now its raining and all the snow is fast disappearing. Which is fine with me I hate shovelling snow! Ray Boorman ( Hope everyone had a good New Years.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 10:17:15 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <32CAAA2B.4710@lynx.bc.ca> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:39:40 -0500 Mark Shannon > writes: > > > The series was fairly complete. In addition to the ones you > > have, I have the Nieu. 11, 12, and the combo 17bis-24-27 > > articles. Let me know your address again and I'll see what I > > turn up on them. > > Ray replied, Whats in these articles. Plans pictures color schemes? Also who wrote them. I have a Nieuport 17 I am collecting information for so these piqued my interest? Thanks Ray Boorman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 14:17:55 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville Message-ID: <32CAE293.5F1C@host.dmsc.net> Cloudy, windy day, did no flying. Wasn't feeling good all day altho ate a mighty hearty New Year Day meal at the canteen this noon. Wrote a good deal in my war diary all p.m. No mail for me. Feeling quite discouraged and mighty lonely today. I know it isn't quite the best way to start the New Year but I can't help that. I know I'd feel so much better and cheerier if only letters were coming each week from dear Gertrude. 882nd day of the war. *********************** from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:46:37 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: RE: Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville Message-ID: <970101134637.2024e0a1@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Any truth to the rumors that "dear Gertrude" is still alive and still breaking hearts, but buried under 10 lbs. ofmake-up and calling herself Tammy Faye? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:49:04 -0600 From: Mark Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <32CAB1A0.1A8D@ix.netcom.com> Ray replied, > > Whats in these articles. Plans pictures color schemes? Also who wrote > them. I have a Nieuport 17 I am collecting information for so these > piqued my interest? > > Thanks Ray Boorman They ran in Scale Models every other month from December, 1980 to December 1981. The breakdown is: December 1980 ? February 1981 Nieuport 10 (X) *April Nieuport 11 'Bebe' (parenthetically, Nieu. 16) *June Nieu. 12 August Nieu. 17 *October Nieu. 27 (including 17bis, 24bis, and 24 descriptions) *December 1981 Nieu. 28 * -- I have. All of them had photos of examples, thumbnail histories, and scale drawings. Some of them had the drawings in both 1/72 and 1/48, and those on the single seat types had how-to articles on correcting and converting the Revell Nieuport 17 kit. Color and markings information covered the standards, and showed where there were confusions. Most of the colors were mixed from the Humbrol mixtures which you can find on the WWI group's home page. If you would like copies, I can make them. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:36:06 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi Subject: Re: Saturday, 30 December 1916, Blessis, Paris & back again Message-ID: <199701011936.OAA03947@pease1.sr.unh.edu> >On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: >> >. Helen 'phoned me at hotel before I left & thanked >> >me for the flowers. Am terribly, terribly lonely for dear darling >> >Gertrude. >> >> What's wrong with this guy? Can't he see Helen is hot for him and >> darling Gert is blowing him of???? i'm starting to lose my patience with him. >> Mike Muth >> > Wait a minute! I smell a Cad here.... *Perhaps* he's just stringing >along plain ol' Helen, whilst simultaneously trying his luck with the >voluptuous Gertrude! A ha-- the swine! (well, that's what *I* would >do...). :^) > Flowers, indeed! What is she to make of that? The rogue!.... > > Cheers, Erik Good point....maybe there's more to this guy than meets the eye! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:03:09 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Monday, 1 January 1917, Plessis Belleville Message-ID: <32CAD10D.361B@lynx.bc.ca> Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > > Lots snipped I know I'd feel so much better and > cheerier if only letters were coming each week from dear Gertrude. 882nd > day of the war. > from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet Methinks Gerties done the dirty on this poor guy!!. Ray Boorman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:27:03 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970101.162847.13894.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:53:13 -0500 Mark Shannon writes: >December 1980 ? >February 1981 Nieuport 10 (X) >*April Nieuport 11 'Bebe' (parenthetically, Nieu. 16) >*June Nieu. 12 >August Nieu. 17 >*October Nieu. 27 (including 17bis, 24bis, and 24 >descriptions) >*December 1981 Nieu. 28 > >* -- I have. So, do any others on the list have those that Mark and I *don't* have? That means, we need Dec 1980, and Feb 1981 (No Jan 1981?). TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:27:03 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970101.162847.13894.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:22:19 -0500 Ray Boorman writes: > Whats in these articles. Plans pictures color schemes? Also who > wrote them. I have a Nieuport 17 I am collecting information for > so these piqued my interest? Ray, Ray, Ray...you went to the right source. Here's everything I have on Nie.17's: Datafile #20 Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special, part 1 Scale Models, Aug-81 Vintage Warbirds #10 There are more I have listed, but these are the "important" ones. The other's are mostly detailed stuff, or kit reviews. Good luck. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:33:41 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Nieuport request Message-ID: <01BBF887.AED6B280@pc087b.mim.com.au> Matt, My index says February 81 issue of SMI has a 1:48 plan :-) of the Nie 10 and a pic or pics. I never bothered to note whether this was part of a series when i indexed them, so this might not be what you want. If 'tis, you're welcome to a copy, which I'll post to you as soon as you say GO Shane ---------- From: mbittner@juno.com[SMTP:mbittner@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, 2 January 1997 3:46 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nieuport request On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:39:40 -0500 Mark Shannon writes: > The series was fairly complete. In addition to the ones you > have, I have the Nieu. 11, 12, and the combo 17bis-24-27 > articles. Let me know your address again and I'll see what I > turn up on them. That would be great, thanks! I don't suppose you have the article on the Nie.10? Here's the snail mail: Matt Bittner 11213 Y St Omaha NE 68137 Have a Happy New Year! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:42:49 -0500 From: aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <199701012242.RAA26923@focus.baynet.net> >So, do any others on the list have those that Mark and I *don't* >have? > >That means, we need Dec 1980, and Feb 1981 (No Jan 1981?). TIA! > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > SM for Dec 80, Jan 81 contained no Nieuport articles. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:53:25 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <19970101.175509.14022.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:35:57 -0500 Shane Weier writes: > My index says February 81 issue of SMI has a 1:48 plan :-) of > the Nie 10 and a pic or pics. I never bothered to note whether > this was part of a series when i indexed them, so this might not > be what you want. If 'tis, you're welcome to a copy, which I'll > post to you as soon as you say GO That would be great, thanks. My snail mail: Matt Bittner 11213 Y St Omaha NE 68137 USA Thanks, Shane! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:57:44 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nie.28 question Message-ID: <19970101.175857.14022.1.mbittner@juno.com> So, reading the Scale Models articel Ray wrote on how to correct the Revell Nie.28, he mentions to paint the inside of the cockpit "medium grey". I'm thinking that the "forward" part of the cockpit should only be this color, while the aft part should be left "natural wood". Any other thinking on this? TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:00:12 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: Matt, > I'll step out on a limb here. Not only is work progressing > ssslllooowwwlllyyy on the Eduard Albatros D.V, It would be sloooowly----- I'm sort-of working on one myself. Sure, it's a lot of work, but it's worth it. BTW, to get rouond the scale discrepency, I scaled my drawings to the scale of the kit, which from mamory, was about 1/45th. but I've started > the Glencoe Nie.28. You're a glutton for punishment 80) But so am I.....I'm currently working on the Smer DrI, which is the same story as the Albatros; the basic components are OK, again about 1/45th scale, but forget about the rest of the kit components. > > Yep, the scale police are going to get me for this one. ;-) 80P~ Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:21:20 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport request Message-ID: <199701020121.VAA08879@fw.true.net> At 05:32 PM 1/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ray, Ray, Ray...you went to the right source. Here's everything >I have on Nie.17's: > >Datafile #20 >Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special, part 1 >Scale Models, Aug-81 >Vintage Warbirds #10 > >There are more I have listed, but these are the "important" ones. >The other's are mostly detailed stuff, or kit reviews. > >Good luck. > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > There is an article on Fine Scale Modeler September 1993 Detailing Hobbycraft's 1/32 Scale nieuport 17 SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 21:23:12 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <19970101.202443.16774.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:02:53 -0500 Mick Fauchon writes: >> I'll step out on a limb here. Not only is work progressing >> ssslllooowwwlllyyy on the Eduard Albatros D.V, > > It would be sloooowly----- I'm sort-of working on one myself. > Sure, it's a lot of work, but it's worth it. > BTW, to get rouond the scale discrepency, I scaled my drawings > to the scale of the kit, which from mamory, was about 1/45th. Mick, Mick, Mick...you went drinking New Year's Eve, didn't you? The *EDUARD* kit is as close to 1/48th as you're going to get. Since I'm a 1/72nd head, I wouldn't touch the Aurora kit with a 10 meter pole...;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:51:40 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie.28 question Message-ID: <199701020451.AA17012@ednet1.orednet.org> Matt diligently typed: >So, reading the Scale Models articel Ray wrote on how to correct >the Revell Nie.28, he mentions to paint the inside of the cockpit >"medium grey". I'm thinking that the "forward" part of the >cockpit should only be this color, while the aft part should be >left "natural wood". > >Any other thinking on this? TIA! Well, this is not an aircraft on which I claim any degree of expertise but I thought this one was metal panels to back to just behind the cockpit opening and then fabric over stringers the rest of the way back. So, I'm kinda uncertain where the "natural wood" would come in. What am I missing? Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 97 20:43:24 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Nieuport request Message-ID: <9700018521.AA852180869@mx.Ricochet.net> Nieuphiles, FWIW, the library has Profiles on the 17 and the 28, as well as entries and odds & ends on the Nieup lineage in various other volumes and scrapbooks. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Nieuport request Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/1/97 2:29 PM On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 13:22:19 -0500 Ray Boorman writes: > Whats in these articles. Plans pictures color schemes? Also who > wrote them. I have a Nieuport 17 I am collecting information for > so these piqued my interest? Ray, Ray, Ray...you went to the right source. Here's everything I have on Nie.17's: Datafile #20 Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special, part 1 Scale Models, Aug-81 Vintage Warbirds #10 There are more I have listed, but these are the "important" ones. The other's are mostly detailed stuff, or kit reviews. Good luck. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 97 20:32:14 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[5]: This List - Air or Armor? Message-ID: <9700018521.AA852180850@mx.Ricochet.net> Larry, I could've sworn I saw 'Steve' at the bottom of your message <:-| ...thought you were the Mad Norseman, Steve Hustad. Please forgive my chronic confusion. Thanks for the response-all I need is another set of those danged little rubbery soldiers! The Conquistadores & Aztecs are pretty cool though...What species of acrylics do you favor? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[3]: This List - Air or Armor? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/1/97 9:59 AM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Steve, > > Does Revell-Germany put out the set of "rubber"/urethane or ???? late-war > Germany infantry, and if so, are any of the NCOs armed w/ Bergman smgs? > Also, how do you get enamels to stick to that stuff? > > Riordan Hi: Revell AG does indeed do their Jerrys late war, and some of them do have the Bergmann. Unfortunately, it seems to be hard to find artillery or flamethrowers for their scale -- scratch-building would be a necessity. I painted mine with acrylics, so can't speak for enamels. But I just primed them with Floquil White Spray, and painted! Worked fine, but I know enamels are a different story. Good luck. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 97 20:51:22 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Nieuport request Message-ID: <9700018521.AA852180887@mx.Ricochet.net> Windsock also had a build-up article a few years back... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Nieuport request Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/1/97 5:23 PM At 05:32 PM 1/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ray, Ray, Ray...you went to the right source. Here's everything >I have on Nie.17's: > >Datafile #20 >Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special, part 1 >Scale Models, Aug-81 >Vintage Warbirds #10 > >There are more I have listed, but these are the "important" ones. >The other's are mostly detailed stuff, or kit reviews. > >Good luck. > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > There is an article on Fine Scale Modeler September 1993 Detailing Hobbycraft's 1/32 Scale nieuport 17 SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 97 20:49:58 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: This List Message-ID: <9700018521.AA852180878@mx.Ricochet.net> I look upon the Smer kits as cheap thrills, and there's nothing wrong with that, especially in what can be such an expensive modeling subject. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: This List Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 1/1/97 5:00 PM Matt, > I'll step out on a limb here. Not only is work progressing > ssslllooowwwlllyyy on the Eduard Albatros D.V, It would be sloooowly----- I'm sort-of working on one myself. Sure, it's a lot of work, but it's worth it. BTW, to get rouond the scale discrepency, I scaled my drawings to the scale of the kit, which from mamory, was about 1/45th. but I've started > the Glencoe Nie.28. You're a glutton for punishment 80) But so am I.....I'm currently working on the Smer DrI, which is the same story as the Albatros; the basic components are OK, again about 1/45th scale, but forget about the rest of the kit components. > > Yep, the scale police are going to get me for this one. ;-) 80P~ Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:59:04 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: Matt, > Mick, Mick, Mick...you went drinking New Year's Eve, didn't you? Yes, yes, yes. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. But what's that got to do with it? I've repented and reformed now 80) Sorry about the lapse: I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again 80) > The *EDUARD* kit is as close to 1/48th as you're going to get. Quite so. > > Since I'm a 1/72nd head, I wouldn't touch the Aurora kit with a > 10 meter pole...;-) And now to the matter of penance [see above]. I know a lot of '48ers that wouldn't touch the kit either. BTW, the pole doesn't work.....I tried that . Seriously, you can make quite a reasonable model out of the old Aurora/Merit/Smer/Artiplast kits, provided you're prepared to put a *lot* of work into them; so much in fact, that they're almost unrecognisable when finished. The Albatros, of course, represents a special problem, as it's neither a proper DIII or DV; you can only make a DV or DVa from it. The major components of the DrI are OK, provided you don't think they're 1/48. I only used the fuselage halves, cowling, tail-unit, wings and struts [all of the latter needed thinning down]; wheels as supplied in the kit were too small and needed the hideous spoke/rib effect removed, so I used the wheels from the Smer DVII. All other detail was supplied by me. But for $A8.00, what ya see is what ya get. In any case, it gices you plenty of scope to hone up on your modelling skills. Apart from which, I'ts good penence 80) Sorry, Matt, I'll try to stay off the bottle in future ;0) Cheers......oops! Err... Regards? Mick. BTW, a propos DrIs......anyone like to offer an opinion about how and where the empty shell-cases discharge? -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:53:42 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Fokker Dr.I machine guns (was: This List) Message-ID: <199701020653.AA29022@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Mick diligently typed: > > BTW, a propos DrIs......anyone like to offer an opinion about how >and where the empty shell-cases discharge? Hmmm, a genuine ponderable! Imrie sez: "Empty cartridge cases were ejected overboard from the bottoms of the guns, while the empty belts were collected in a special box situated immediately in front of the box for the loaded belts, via curved aluminium tubes which had spring-loaded access flaps near the feed blocks" Rimmel, on the other hand, in the Datafile identifies the "curved aluminium tubes" as "cartridge ejectors" and sez: "Some photos indicate lower portions of the cartridge ejectors (port side) were tubular, rather than rectangular as shown." Nowarra, not unexpectedly, sez nothing at all. Now, if the "curved aluminium tubes" are "cartridge ejectors", it appears the one for the port MG would discharge somewhere just below and forward of the trailing edge of the middle wing. Which leaves, however, the question of where the one for the starboard MG would go. And, my own understanding of the operation of the Spandau would lead me to believe, however, that Imrie is correct and that spent cartridges _could not_ be ejected into the "curved aluminium tubes" which show up in a lot of the photos and that these could only serve to collect the empty belts. Thus Imrie is correct that these "tubes" were for the belts and not for the spent cases. Which leaves the question of just where the spent cartridge cases actually went and how - "ejected overboard from the bottom of the guns" is hardly a satisfactory answer. They gotta _get_ overboard somehow, but how and where? Clearly there do not appear to be any "ejection ports" in the bottom of the fuselage so that seems to be out. Nor, do there seem to be any photos which show appropriate holes in the fuselage sides - although the area underneath the middle wing is almost always in deep shadow so there _might_ be something hiding there. Yet, I can't find it. Which leaves the entire question as a "ponderable" for the nonce. Alex Imrie knows the answer, I suspect, but, alas, he failed to publish it so far as I can determine. Any chance the spent cases were not "ejected overboard" at all but rather were collected in some sort of box or bag immediately under the MGs? After a quick check of my books, I can't find any holes for spent cartridges to eject overboard on the Albatros D.V or the Fokker D.VII either. Given the material shortages Germany faced, it would have made some sense for the Germans to attempt to recover spent cartridges rather than ejecting them overboard if that could have been done without compromising the effectiveness of the aircraft. Just a thought. Excellent question - a wishy washy answer. But, it is the best I can do. Oh, and welcome back, Mick. We missed ya'! Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 381 *********************