WWI Digest 97 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Off topic-St. Exupery's F5A by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 2) by DavidL1217@aol.com 3) Re: Where are we? by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 4) Re: Pegasus D.III (conversion & fillets) by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 5) AWM visit by Mick Fauchon 6) Salmson/French colors? by "S.M. Head" 7) 2 Questions by aew (Allan Wright) 8) Re: Salmson/French colors? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 18:52:38 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Off topic-St. Exupery's F5A Message-ID: <199604150152.SAA20896@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Hi all! I'm posting this on the off chance that someone might have seen this info elsewhere and can point me in the right direction. The French aviation writer Antoine de St. Exupery vanished on a reconnaissance flight in 1944. He was flying an F5A (recon P-38). Bill Koster released the markings for this aircraft in his P-38 conversion kit some years ago. The camouflage was given as OD and greyish-tan upper surfaces with duck-egg blue undersides. I recently obtained a photo-essay of St. Ex's last days and the photos seem to show that the undersurface was in faded haze blue (the US recon special paint). On the 50th anniversary of his dissappearance there must have been some articles in the French aviation history press. If anyone can recall an updated version of this color scheme please e-mail me direct. TIA! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:56:09 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com Message-ID: <199604150356.XAA01578@emout06.mail.aol.com> German army have an armor museum (tanks) or an artillery museum? If so, I would like their address. I have photos of the WWI Flak truck which is very doable as a 1/72 resin kit. However, I need dimensions and further details. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 22:48:43 -0600 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: Where are we? Message-ID: Mark Nelson Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Formerly the Great White North, now the Great Brown (and splotchy green) North. Building?? What's that?? _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 22:58:27 -0600 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus D.III (conversion & fillets) Message-ID: >Isn't converting an Oeffag to a German D.III relatively easy? >Anybody know what would need to be changed? Wings, stabs & struts are OK - although you will have to re-build the radiator and reposition it depending on the aircraft you choose to model - the Austrian one is slightly different in detail, and like early German built aircraft, is mounted in the center of the wing. Possibly a different spreader bar on landing gear - Many German D.IIIs didn't feature the airfoil fairing. New Engine (or maybe not - in 1/72 who can tell?) New exhaust for sure. Spinner for propeller (new propeller for that matter.) Fuselage re-build - a bit of putty to round out the after fuselage top and bottom as mentioned in the review. Also the louvres and access panels on the nose are different. Tighten up the opening around the engine. Wing fillets and adjacent fuselage must be revised to match the original German design's contours - this is the most critical and tricky part. I'd be tempted to stick with the Xtra-Vac kit. In either case the result would be better than the ESCI/Revell kit. >Also, for Mark or whomever, do the Pegasus wing fillets look correct? Based on photos pretty close - but they need to be enlarged slightly in area. The fillets should extended down under the fuselage a bit more. They may also need to be thickened a bit (albeit not as much as the falsies on the Blue Rider conversion.) NOTE: this lack of thickness may just be an illusion caused by their not extending underneath far enough - you be the judge. >Matt >meba@cso.com _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:21:54 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: AWM visit Message-ID: Hi, all, Which one of our American colleagues was planning to be at the AWM [Australian War Memorial] on the 20/21st of April? I'll know definitely by to-morrow [Tuesday] night if I'm going to be able to be there.....if it's not too late. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 02:36:42 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Salmson/French colors? Message-ID: <9604150137.aa02754@mail.iapc.net> I recall a thread not long ago about the aluminized French paints. In reading over my Wings 48 vacuform kit painting instructions of the Salmson 2A2 I found that they called for the factory finish of Green/Green/Tan/Brown to be aluminized dope. Other refernces don't make the distinction between these dopes and standard dope (I have little reference on the Great War, being relatively new to it) First, is it so? I would deduce from what I've read that it is. Second, in 1/48 scale would this be noticeable? And finally, is it hard edged? The instructions state that France had not developed a sprayable dope, and all lines were hard edged, but I see models (and the photo of a model in the kit instructions) that have soft edged demarcation lines. Anyone have a final word as to which it is? Thanks for the help! Scott M. Head Statement- "The internet is like an unending tree of sprue, linking one component to the next..." -- Newsgroup post Reply: "That's stretching it." -- Shot Cadet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: 2 Questions Message-ID: <199604151402.KAA13608@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hello All, I have 2 questions I need help with. 1) Se5a Schweinhund - All red. What was the undersurface color? Red or doped linen? Any top wing adornment besides roundels? Any other info would be appreciated. 2) Camel B6401 - Naval Squadron #3 RNAS Jan-Feb 1918 - Playing cards and sumbursts - does anyone make this decal sheet in 1/72? Thanks in advance, Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:09:16 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Salmson/French colors? Message-ID: Scott has written: >I recall a thread not long ago about the aluminized French paints. In >reading over my Wings 48 vacuform kit painting instructions of the Salmson >2A2 I found that they called for the factory finish of >Green/Green/Tan/Brown to be aluminized dope. Other refernces don't make the >distinction between these dopes and standard dope (I have little reference >on the Great War, being relatively new to it) First, is it so? I would >deduce from what I've read that it is. I believe that the aluminized dopes used on French aricraft were considered to be "standard". The presence of the aluminum powder in the dope had the effect of protecting the fabric from UV radiation, so I think that it would have been adapted for allaircraft. Second, in 1/48 scale would this be >noticeable? Perhaps but this might be difficult to duplicate with enamel or acrylic paint. Any suggestions from the list ? And finally, is it hard edged? The instructions state that >France had not developed a sprayable dope, and all lines were hard edged, >but I see models (and the photo of a model in the kit instructions) that >have soft edged demarcation lines. Anyone have a final word as to which it >is? > One sees photos of French aircraft being built and the finishes are being applied with sizeable paint brushes. The specimens of surviving fabric I have seen all have sharp demarcations between colors, one having been applied over another. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 97 ********************