WWI Digest 95 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Airco DH2 by djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) 2) Book opinions by twhitley@mn.uswest.net (Tim Whitley) 3) Re: Latest demographics by bciciora@wwa.com 4) ARGGHHH! I did it again! by bciciora@wwa.com 5) Re: Airco DH2 by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 6) Re: Book opinions by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 7) Re: Airco DH2 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Latest demographics by Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> 9) Re: Des Moines contest by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 10) JN-4 basic colour by jim lyzun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:32:14 -0500 From: djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) To: wwi Subject: Airco DH2 Message-ID: <9604122027.AA14218@deimos.tx.iex.com> This is a note out on the 'other' WWI modeling list! I figured if anyone in the world knew the answers it would be the folks here! >Hi all, > >I've had the flu for a few days which has given some time for delving into >my DH2 >documentation and daydreaming about how great its gonna be--Scalemasters >quality for sure :-) Does anyone know what the relationship , if any, was >between AirCo and >DeHavilland, or to rephrase: If it was built by AirCo, why was it called a "DH". > >On a second subject, one of my photos shows a seat belt about 6" wide with >grommets in it, >The caption said it was a common belt for the DH2, but none of my pictures >makes any reference >to the method of attachment to the plane. I have some pictures (from WWI >Aero) of the >framing of the tub, but there's no evidence of any attachment for the belt. >It may have been >somehow wrapped under the wicker seat, this area isn't clear, nor is there >much detail of how >the seat was held in. > >John Witt > >ecoelec@primenet.com > TIA, Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:07:02 -0600 From: twhitley@mn.uswest.net (Tim Whitley) To: wwi Subject: Book opinions Message-ID: Hello! I've read Lee Kennett's 'First Air War: 1914-1918'. I had recommended to me two other books on the subject: Eric Lawson, 'First Air Campaign,' 1995, Combined Books John Morrow, 'Great War in the Air,' 199?, Smithsonian. Do the august contributors to this list have an opinion about these? I'm looking for another, more in-depth look at WWI aerial combat. Thanks, Tim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Whitley (( twhitley@mn.uswest.net St. Paul, MN )) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 20:00 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest demographics Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Stephen Tontoni wrote: > Now break it up by scale preference!! I'm with Mark -- 1/48th all the way. I finally completed my Smer SVA-5. Not a masterpiece by any means, but I'm pretty happy with it. Now working on the Glencoe Pfalz. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 20:04 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: ARGGHHH! I did it again! Message-ID: Apologies to the list for failing to clip the rest of the digest on my last message. Sheesh! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 23:04:44 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airco DH2 Message-ID: <199604130304.XAA00587@conted.swann.gatech.edu> According to the DH2 Datafile, Geoffrey de Havilland was offered the position of chief designer and test pilot with Aircraft Manufacturing Company--Airco--in 1914, which he accepted. He then went on to design the DH1 and DH2. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 23:08:59 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Book opinions Message-ID: <199604130309.XAA00598@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Tim, I don't know about those books, but you might want to try Rise of the Fighter Aircraft 1914-1918 by Richard Hallion. The title gives a good idea of the contents. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:50:25 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airco DH2 Message-ID: <199604130350.AA28276@ednet1.orednet.org> Carlos wrote: > > According to the DH2 Datafile, Geoffrey de Havilland was offered >the position of chief designer and test pilot with Aircraft >Manufacturing Company--Airco--in 1914, which he accepted. He then went >on to design the DH1 and DH2. And a shrewd career move it was for Geoffrey de Havilland. He was lured to Airco by Airco's founder Holt Thomas under a contract which promised de Havilland royalties of 50 pounds per aeroplane for the first 20 aeroplanes sold each year and 25 pounds for each aeroplane thereafter. Shortly thereafter, all of Europe went to war and Airco, which had previously been producing only a few dozen aeroplanes a year suddenly soon itself with orders for thousands. Total wartime production for Airco approached 5,000 aircraft and Geoffrey got his royalty on each and every one, netting well over 100,000 pounds or roughly 50 times what he would have earned had he remained as Inspector of Aircraft at the Aeronautical Inspection Directorate. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: 13 Apr 96 05:24:37 EDT From: Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients Subject: Latest demographics Message-ID: <960413092437_100410.261_BHG6-1@CompuServe.COM> On 12.04.96 Martin wrote: >Iom british, only living in germany. I do know of only one german who actually >models WWI. Well, apart of me there are a few more. But they can't get online yet. I managed to persuade a friend of mine who lives in Essen to start building WWI-planes (1:72), and he is lucky to live near L. Schorsch, who produces the Classic-Plane vacforms (one of only two makers in Germany as far as I know). Schorsch also owns a small model shop with a large WWI-section and whenever I happen to be there there are other WWI enthusiasts as well. I'm not sure if the one German mentioned in the list is me, as I got an error-message when I sent my adress. Thus I send it again now. Wouldn't like to be missed out. Name Andreas Einsel City Stade State or Province Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) Country Germany E-mail address 100410,261@compuserve.com Comment Stade is a small town west of Hamburg. I build mainly in 1/72 and 1/48, preferably pushers (though I hate doing the rigging). Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:15:57 EDT From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Des Moines contest Message-ID: <096.05869633.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Matt, I hope to go. Still unpacking boxes from the move, but there's the advantage of being able to camouflage new acquisition amidst the general clutter. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:26:31 -0400 From: jim lyzun To: wwi Subject: JN-4 basic colour Message-ID: <199604131526.LAA28906@mail.cwconnect.ca> This is a basic question but I'M NEW AT THIS WWI STUFF so have some patience. What colour were the cowling pieces of US JN-4's? Was it the same as the Canadian Jennys which is what I'm trying to research. I've seen brown, mid-green, and a reference to khaki but no definitive reference. help! Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 95 ********************