WWI Digest 82 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Robbery by Ray Boorman 2) Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby 1/72 by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Tom=E1s_E._Tirado_K=22?=" 3) Re: Robbery by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 4) RE: Robbery by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) Sopwith and Hawker. Question by Ray Boorman 6) Re: Sopwith and Hawker. Question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) RE: Sopwith and Hawker. Question by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 8) Re: Models for sale by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 9) Re: Robbery by SCLexicat@aol.com 10) Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby 1/72 by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: Re[2]: new to WWI by "Matt Bittner" 12) Av Usk "flyer" by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Av Usk "flyer" by "Brian Bushe" 14) Eduard prices by "Brian Bushe" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 11:52:37 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Robbery Message-ID: <315EE285.33E7@lynx.bc.ca> SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > > Gerry, > > >Bill- $35.00 for the Albatross? Your right- bloody robbery- Check with > >Rosemont- I think they had it at 23.00 last I saw. > >Cheers- Gerry > > You want robbery? How about this. > > I saw today (at last) the Glencoe (Aurora) Nieuport 28 in one of my local > model shops. > > A$24.95 which is US$19.20 > > Not at that price I'm afraid ! > > regards > > ShaneUp here in the Great White North the Albatross sells for $50 CDN. I bought one but would have liked to get two but not at that price. I'll wait till Squadron puts them on special. Most of the Glencoe recent releases Sell for $14 dollars or so even up here in Canada. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:11:24 -0300 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Tom=E1s_E._Tirado_K=22?=" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby 1/72 Message-ID: <199604010114.RAA17032@adinet.com.uy> At 09:34 AM 3/30/96 -0500, Matthew Bittner wrote: >On 29 Mar 96 at 16:53, Tom=E1s E. Tirado K. typed diligantly: etc., etc. ,=20 Matt Thanks so much for your comments and information Tom -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+ Tom=E1s E. Tirado K - Eng.,45, married, 5 childs, 1/700 Ship= modeler,=20 tomasetk@adinet.com.uy WWI special interest, also general modeling IPMS-Uruguay member, TT-hobbies owner (only one year in business, but growing everyday) =20 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:22:26 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Robbery Message-ID: <199603312322.PAA10313@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Hi Shane! A Glencoe Pfalz for $19.20US? Where do you shop? Ned Kelly's Hobbies? Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: 01 Apr 96 10:10:00 CDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Robbery Message-ID: <199604010032.KAA05396@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi Greg >A Glencoe Pfalz for $19.20US? Where do you shop? Ned Kelly's Hobbies? This is the price at the most expensive (and by far the largest) of the now SIX stores in Brisbane. However I'll bet that the general price will be in the region of US$17 and upwards. It's a problem we have in Australia, that US sourced kits like Monogram and Glencoe get price upgrades to make them nearer the price of brand new Japanese kits. There's a distributor in there somewhere who figures that if the market can bear A$45 P-51's by the truckload, we shouldn't squeek at A$25 Nieuports. I'll buy mine from Rosemont - US $9 plus postage ! Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:43:13 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Sopwith and Hawker. Question Message-ID: <315F34B1.476D@lynx.bc.ca> Ok this isn't exactly WW1 but what the heck. All through World War 1 Sopwith built Aircraft. They were owned by Tommy Sopwith, who employed Harry Hawker as his test pilot. So why in the 1920's does the Sopwith Aviation Company become Hawkers? Just one of those things I have always wondered about and I am sure someone on this list will know the answer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:46:54 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith and Hawker. Question Message-ID: <199604010446.AA26856@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Ok this isn't exactly WW1 but what the heck. > >All through World War 1 Sopwith built Aircraft. They were owned by >Tommy Sopwith, who employed Harry Hawker as his test pilot. So why in >the 1920's does the Sopwith Aviation Company become Hawkers? >Just one of those things I have always wondered about and I am sure >someone on this list will know the answer. > Well, it didn't exactly become Hawker. Tom Sopwith liquidated Sopwith Aviation in September of 1920. Many of the early aircraft companies were liquidated about this same time as apparently the Labour British Government had enacted an 'excess profits' tax and there was great concern on the part of the aircraft companies that the government would go back and examine the wartime aircraft production contracts and impose retroactive tax liability on the companies. About the same time, Tom Sopwith, Fred Sigist, Bill Eyre, and Harry Hawker got together to form a new company, each contributing 5,000 pounds to the venture. To avoid any confusion with the liquidating Sopwith Aviation (and to avoid any possible government claims against the new company for the wartime contracts of the old company), the new entity purposely avoided using the Sopwith name. To quote Tom Sopwith, "so as to avoid any muddle if we had gone on building aeroplanes and called them Sopwiths - there was bound to be a muddle somewhere - we called the company the Hawker Company. I didn't mind. He was largely responsible for our growth during the war." Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: 01 Apr 96 12:05:00 CDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Sopwith and Hawker. Question Message-ID: <199604010515.PAA08651@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, >Ok this isn't exactly WW1 but what the heck. >All through World War 1 Sopwith built Aircraft. They were owned by >Tommy Sopwith, who employed Harry Hawker as his test pilot. So why in >the 1920's does the Sopwith Aviation Company become Hawkers? >Just one of those things I have always wondered about and I am sure >someone on this list will know the answer. The name change is the result of a (short lived) partnership between Sopwith and Hawker. Short lived because Harry Hawker died soon after - but the company retained his name. The early years in which Hawker was employed by Sopwith and the background to their partnership is dealt with at some length in a book "Early Birds" by Horrie Miller, a pioneer of aviation in Australia, WW1 RE-8 pilot and friend of the three Harries - Hawker, Kauper (synchronising gear), and Busteed (Bristol test pilot) who left Melbourne in 1912 (?) to make their way in aviation. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:28:41 +1000 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Models for sale Message-ID: <199604010728.RAA24164@world.net> Rick, Hope I'm fast enough! Could you put the following aside? >Pegasus - Snipe, Dolphin, Roland DVIb, Salmson 2A2 > >Tom's Model works Pfalz DIIIa - $10.00 > Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:41:25 -0500 From: SCLexicat@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Robbery Message-ID: <960401074123_502745758@mail02.mail.aol.com> Greetings from England, where I just bought my Eduard Albatros at ED Models in Shirley, West Midlands. Paid the full sticker price without quibble: 11.95 pounds sterling, approximately $18.16 US at today's exchange rate. For years and years I've been used to everything being cheaper in the US than in the UK - cars, aeroplanes, computers, books, fuel, airbrushes, kits - but maybe the world is shifting on its axis for some reason. Simon Craven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:06:05 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Sopwith Baby 1/72 Message-ID: <199604010707.HAA15154@cso.com> On 31 Mar 96 at 15:11, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Tom=E1s_E._ typed diligantly: > Thanks so much for your comments and information Not a problem. I figure with all the 1/48th bashing I do, it's the least I can reciprocate with by sharing my info. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:10:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: new to WWI Message-ID: <199604010811.IAA15968@cso.com> On 30 Mar 96 at 23:20, Gerald P. McOsker typed diligantly: > Bill- $35.00 for the Albatross? Your right- bloody robbery- Check with > Rosemont- I think they had it at 23.00 last I saw. Actually, the $23.00 price has been recinded in light of the price increase. I believe it's now somewhere between $30 and $32. However, call first. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:43:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Av Usk "flyer" Message-ID: <199604010844.IAA16394@cso.com> Got the Aviation Usk flyer in the mail Saturday, and besides the non WW1 goodies, the biggest news is the Paragon Designs has either (a) bought the Xtraparts molds; (b) used to be Xtraparts and become Paragon. Either way, Av Usk is advertising Paragon, which includes their *superb* Mercedes engines. Yes! I have been looking for these for about two years now, and hopefully they will become more readily available now. However, the "usual" Av Usk disclaimer applies: they get these when they can, and are sometimes out of stock, so their "card rule" is to be followed. Av Usk also has the large list of Czech Resins, which *does* include a number of WW1 offerings. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I have never been able to make out the numbers." - Anonymous -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:32:19 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Av Usk "flyer" Message-ID: <9604011632.AA13378@hades> > Got the Aviation Usk flyer in the mail Saturday, and besides the non > WW1 goodies, the biggest news is the Paragon Designs has either (a) > bought the Xtraparts molds; (b) used to be Xtraparts and become > Paragon. Either way, Av Usk is advertising Paragon, which includes > their *superb* Mercedes engines. Yes! I have been looking for these Paragon is run by the guy who designed and produced all the xtraparts bits. he now sells all the bits direct and a bit cheaper as well. nice resin with no air bubbles, generally well researched. the mercedes engine is nice but in a funny scale (1/72!). I suggested he do some more in 48 but he was a bit unsure about turnover as the engines in the eduard and blue max kits are pretty good. anyone interested in his address? > for about two years now, and hopefully they will become more readily > available now. However, the "usual" Av Usk disclaimer applies: they > get these when they can, and are sometimes out of stock, so their > "card rule" is to be followed. > > Av Usk also has the large list of Czech Resins, which *does* include > a number of WW1 offerings. > > > Matt > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber > meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska > Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses > Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! > > "Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But > I have never been able to make out the numbers." - Anonymous > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems uk 1734 789 470 Central Estate, Denmark Street fax 1734 789 513 Maidenhead, UK SL7 6BN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:36:23 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Eduard prices Message-ID: <9604011636.AA13474@hades> since this is being discussed, England seems to be the place to buy Eduard kits. the Albatros was UKP 11.95, including vat, or about USD 18-19. overseas shouldn't have to pay vat (which is currently 17.5%), so that should drop to around USD 15-16. Places to get them from would be Hannants Lowestoft branch (who do mainly mail order and take all credit cards etc.) or Four Plus (who are smaller, friendly, but i don't think handle credit cards). I haven't got either address with me but i think Hannants are on the web page of addresses. Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems uk 1734 789 470 Central Estate, Denmark Street fax 1734 789 513 Maidenhead, UK SL7 6BN ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 82 ********************