WWI Digest 78 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Conversions by "Randy J. Ray" 2) Re: 1/1 Albatros logo by "Matt Bittner" 3) 1/144 kit info by ENDYL@delphi.com 4) Unsubscribing by Peter Ansoff <72460.1665@compuserve.com> 5) Re: 1/1 Albatros logo by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 6) Re: 1/144 kit info by Jose Valenciano 7) Re: 1/1 Albatros logo by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Booklist #2 by "Eric Thiesen" 9) Spad XIII model trivia by "Eric Thiesen" 10) Re: 1/144 kit info by ENDYL@delphi.com 11) No mail! by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) Re: 1/1 Albatros logo by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Kits For Sale by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 14) Re: No mail! by aew (Allan Wright) 15) Re: Conversions by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 16) Kit sale followup by larmin@ix.netcom.com (Larry Armin ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:03:52 -0700 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Conversions Message-ID: > On 26 Mar 96 at 18:51, Bill Shatzer typed diligantly: > > > Well, just to stir the pot a bit, I'd enquire, 'why'? As I understand > > it, a conversion is just that, a conversion, and exactly -where- you > > get the parts to do the converstion is irrelevant. So whether I scratch > > build a set of Merlin engines or cut 'em off a Lancaster, or buy an > > aftermarket set of Merlins and props; if I stick 'em on my Beaufighter > > kit to turn it into a Mk II, I've done a converstion and I'm in the > > conversion catagory, no? I might not -win- much with such a raggedy > > ass conversion but it -is- a conversion under the IPMS rules as I > > read 'em. The difference is that in the former case, you went to the effort to research and learn that you could make a Mk. II by building the engines or cutting them off a Lancaster. In the latter case, the research and footwork was done for you. Buying a conversion is no more the challenge than buying an interior rather than scratchbuilding one. THIS IS NOT BAD. If the conversion or detail set you want is commercially available, go for it. Spend your time on the paint scheme or other aspects. But when it comes to classifing for competition, you just haven't done the same thing as the guy who scratch-built or did major re-working to achieve the same results. Randy -- ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:14:20 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/1 Albatros logo Message-ID: <199603271315.NAA13495@cso.com> On 27 Mar 96 at 11:12, Kevin Witte typed diligantly: > long line of similar releases! Anyway, as with all Eduard releases, this one > is a limited run, (just try finding one of their Siemens-Schuckert kits) so Well, the other reason why you can't find a SSW D.III is because the mold is trashed. I saw one recently at the KC-Con, and didn't pick it up because I have one, and I only need one because of it's scale. I too am looking forward to getting an Eduard D.V. Now to find a scheme... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: ENDYL@delphi.com To: wwi Subject: 1/144 kit info Message-ID: <01I2UECM34GY95RYGZ@delphi.com> I received a flyer in the mail today from Model Expo and they have the following 1/144th scale WWI kits at the prices listed. Not sure who was inquiring but thought I'd pass along the info. MV8502 Bristol F2B MV8404 Fokker DVIII MV8507 Brequet 14B MV8402 Fokker Dr.1 MV8413 Ansaldo SVA-5 MV8505 Brandenburg C.1 MV8415 Nieuport 28 MV8506 Roland C-II MV8406 Pfalz D-XIII MV8503 RE 8 They are all on sale for $5.88, they all list for 13.99 (10.99 for the DVIII) so they are a good buy for anyone interested. Model Expo has a toll-free order number (800) 222-3876, Mon-Fri 9-5 e.t. The ad mentions that twelve are available but only lists the ones above. Myself, I just look at my 1/48 models from across the room and they look like really well done 1/144 kits. Take care, Len _ Was Jimi Hendrix's Modem A Purple Hayes? QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) '[1;35;40m-=> Delphi Internet Jet SST v3.012 - (C) PBE ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 96 19:56:36 EST From: Peter Ansoff <72460.1665@compuserve.com> To: WWI Modeling List Subject: Unsubscribing Message-ID: <960328005635_72460.1665_IHD131-1@CompuServe.COM> Hello, everyone. As I've mentioned in at least one previous post, I really need to unsubscribe to this list for a while. I've tried following the procedure in the "welcome" message, and it didn't work. I tried contacting Al by personal EMail, and that didn't work. I posted a general message asking for help, and that didn't work either. The only other thing I can think of to do is post a really nasty flame and hope that I will be kicked off the list for bad behavior. Well, here goes: You guys are (oops, sorry) YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF MUSHBRAINED TWITS! CAN'T YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULLS THAT GOD DIDN'T INTEND FOR AIRPLANES TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WING?? HOW DO YOU GET OFF JABBERING ENDLESSLY ABOUT THIS STUPID TRIVIA WHEN THERE ARE **REAL** PROBLEMS ALL OVER THE WORLD OUT THERE??? YOU'RE A BUNCH OF WORTHLESS CREEPS, AND YOUR MOTHERS ALL WEAR ARMY BOOTS. NYAH, NYAH, NYAH, **NYAH** !! SO THERE!!!! Guess that should be nasty enough to do the trick. If this doesn't work, the only other possibility is to send a "spam" -- maybe an advertisement for magazine subscriptions. Hmm. Is it a real spam if it's only directed to one list? Peter Ansoff 72460.1665@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:31:12 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/1 Albatros logo Message-ID: <199603280131.RAA00369@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Kevin Witte has written: > >On a related note, let me just mention that on a whim I ordered two >of Eduard's 1/48 DV kits (plus the two recent Aeromaster Alb. DIII/DV >decal offerings) from Squadron as soon as they started advertising this >kit's release on the Web. I wasn't disappointed. I don't care what scale you >build, you *must buy this kit* The one word that keeps coming to >mind whenever I look at this kit is "crisp." Panel lines are delicate, and >trailing edges are thin (finally!). Hats off to Eduard for this amazing leap >in kit engineering and quality. Here's hoping this is the start of a very >long line of similar releases! Hear, hear! This kit is really great. The steel photoetch parts are very soft and pliable as brass. The control yoke even has the dimples etched into the trigger buttons. In the cockpit area the only problem that I have is with the mounting of the seat on the shelf that you are instructed to glue to the rear bulkhead (buffet screen). I'm going to be making up the cockpit area formers using the Smithsonian book as my guide to correctly mount the seat. The upper wing on my example had a slight dihedral which I was able to correct by gently bending it while it was submerged in hot water directly from the tap. The cabane struts are photoetched and may be too flimsy so I'll probably replace them too. Otherwise this one can be built to a very high standard right out of the box. The lower wing-to-fuselage fit is superb! I've got a nice set of decals (except for the crosses) for 'Stropp' as produced by IPMS Spruce Goose a couple of years back to use on my first one. I hope someone will reproduce Flashar's 'Mailed Fist' markings so I'll have an excuse to build a DV as well! Can't write any more. I'm going to try to finish this beauty in time for the nationals. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:09:51 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 1/144 kit info Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 ENDYL@delphi.com wrote: > > I received a flyer in the mail today from Model Expo and they have the > following 1/144th scale WWI kits at the prices listed. Not sure who was > inquiring but thought I'd pass along the info. > > MV8502 Bristol F2B > MV8404 Fokker DVIII (snip!) What brand are these kits and what are they made of, metal or plastic? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:03:31 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/1 Albatros logo Message-ID: <960327210330_179759927@emout04.mail.aol.com> Maybe Eduard will do a DI/DII..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:56:44 -0600 From: "Eric Thiesen" To: wwi Subject: Booklist #2 Message-ID: <9603280456.AA29676@omnifest.uwm.edu> BOOKLIST #2: WWI aircraft Compiled by: Eric Thiesen email: ethiesen@omnifest.uwm.edu 27 March, 1996. Once again, some of these books have few, if any, illustrations and are included for those who enjoy reading about the fliers and their mounts. If you live in the Milwaukee area, the call numbers are for books at the University of Wisconsin-- Milwaukee's Golda Meir Library, home of the large George Hardie Aerospace Collection. The library's TELNET address is: nls.lib.uwm.edu ---------------------------------------------------- British Military Aircraft of World War One: The Official Technical and Rigging Notes for RFC and RNAS Fighting and Training Aeroplanes, 1914-1918. John Tanner, gen. ed. RAF Museum Series: Volume 4. London: Arms & Armour Press, 1976 ISBN: 0-88254-408X LC: 76-13824 Call: UG1245.G7.G7 1976 Facsimile of WWI official publication. Instructions for aircraft assembly, wire adjustment, etc. Some dimensions, smallish rigging diagrams. Tables with lengths, diameters, number of strands for all the rigging and flying wires! Photos and drawings. R.E.8 and Fe2 (*not* Fe2b) sections are particularly well illustrated. ---------------------------------------------------- Aircraft of the 1914-18 War. Owen G. Thetford and E. J. Riding. Leicester(UK): Harborough Pub, 1946. Call: TL685.3 .T44 1946 Numerous 1/72 scale, three-view line drawings. (Foldouts for large aircraft.) Specs and brief histories. Nice, clear, black and white photo section. ---------------------------------------------------- Aces and Aircraft of World War I. Christopher Campbell. New York: Greenwich-Arlington-Crown, 1984. ISBN: 0-517-42547-5 (Crown) LC: 83-17127 Call: D600.C38 1984 Large, color renderings, typically side view. Large format hardcover. Covers most of the familiar aces, plus Smirnoff, Baracca, Little, Brumowski, more. ---------------------------------------------------- Knight of Germany: Oswald Boelcke, German Ace. Johannes Werner. Vintage Aviation Library ser. No 3. London: Greenhill, 1985. (orig pub in Enlish, 1933). ISBN: 0-947898-06-9 Call: D604.B47213 1985 Mostly biography. A few poorly reproduced photos. ---------------------------------------------------- Flying Fury. James Thomas Byford McCudden. Stanley M. Ulanoff, ed. Air Combat Classics ser. Garden City(NY): Doubleday, 1968. LC: 68-10549 Call: D602.M3 1968 Includes a few photographs, some of which are pretty clear. Several nice photos of German machines. Appendices similar to ones in The Red Baron, also edited by Ulanoff (I think). ---------------------------------------------------- Fighter Pilots of World War I. Robert Jackson. New York: St. Martin's, 1977. Call: D600.J33 1977b 15 pilot stories. The usual assortment of well-known fellows, with a few lesser-known chaps tossed in. 158 pages. No pictures. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:58:36 -0600 From: "Eric Thiesen" To: wwi Subject: Spad XIII model trivia Message-ID: <9603280458.AA30783@omnifest.uwm.edu> Spad XIIIs of Lufbery and Baracca. blame: Eric Thiesen email: ethiesen@omnifest.uwm.edu 27 March, 1996 I have a couple of cheap, plastic models of Spad XIIIs. A recent trip to the library shed some light on these kits, which come with very little background information. Here, then, is what I discovered: trivia that may not be too trivial, and may (I hope) even be somewhat interesting. ----------------------------------------------------- Academy-Minicraft kit #1623, 1/72nd Spad XIII. It's an approximate representation of Raoul Lufbery's airplane. I thought the Indian chief and swastika decals looked familiar. The swastika on the model is backwards; the arms go counter-clockwise instead of clockwise. The book _Lafayette Escadrille_, near the end of the photo section, has a clear picture of the aircraft (1). ----------------------------------------------------- Esci-Ertl kit #9018, 1/72nd Spad XIII. This one is supposed to be Francesco Baracca's plane. If the prancing horse emblem looks familiar, it should. According to Christopher Campbell, the emblem was "given after the war by the ace's mother to Enzo Ferrari" (2). So Francesco's personal emblem rides today on those cars I can only afford if they're plastic and small. ----------------------------------------------------- END NOTES (1) Mason Jr., Herbert Mason. _Lafayette Escadrille_. Men at War ser. New York: Konecky, 1995. Photo section (not numbered), second last page. (2) Campbell, Christopher. _Aces and Aircraft of World War One_. New York: Greenwich-Crown, 1984. Illustration caption, page 108. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:55:37 -0500 (EST) From: ENDYL@delphi.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/144 kit info Message-ID: <01I2UYT0MV5U95S2KW@delphi.com> >> >> MV8502 Bristol F2B >> MV8404 Fokker DVIII >(snip!) > >What brand are these kits and what are they made of, metal or plastic? > Oops...forgot to include that info. They are manufactured by Mamoli of Italy and are white-metal castings. Decals included. Len _ 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) '[1;35;40m-=> Delphi Internet Jet SST v3.012 - (C) PBE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:04:41 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: No mail! Message-ID: <096.04611127.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I haven't had any WWI mail for a week. Have I been expunged due to excessive post-WWI references? Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:33:29 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/1 Albatros logo Message-ID: <199603280634.GAA22839@cso.com> On 27 Mar 96 at 21:06, DavidL1217@aol.com typed diligantly: > Maybe Eduard will do a DI/DII..... In 1/72nd... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 07:47:14 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: Kits For Sale Message-ID: <9602288280.AA828028143@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> you'd like a list e-mailed to you, please e-mail me directly, rather than posting to the group. Prices and shipping/handling are all on the document. (Word for Windows 7.0 format). Larry Armin, Aurora, CO I would like to have that list but I don't do Word for Windows. I will give you two e-mail addresses; if you don't mind too much, could you send the list to both in ascii format? stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu (dos machine; dos text is okay) tontoni@halycon.com (mac machine; ascii/binary data only) Many thanks; Stephen Tontoni PS I posted to the group because I don't get individual e-mail addresses with this listserv and Larry didn't include his in the post; sorry for the clutter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:04:34 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: No mail! Message-ID: <199603281604.LAA01003@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I haven't had any WWI mail for a week. Have I been expunged due to > excessive post-WWI references? > > Ken Hagerup Ken, All users from prodigy were bouncing every message back to me sof a while last week so I was forced to unsubscribe you. Please re-subscribe. Thanks, Allan P.S. You should have seen my mailbox - everytime someone posted I got 8 bounced messages - argh! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:47:22 -0600 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Conversions Message-ID: <199603281647.KAA07826@sh1.ro.com> My 2 cents worth on contest conversions is that there has never been, and never will be, a satisfactory answer in this area. My own solution is to enter almost anything as a stock kit and let the contest director or head judge figure out what to do with it. If the conversion category looks weak, compared to the stock class, then I'll move it myself. Contest rules and classes are not uniform and the definitions vary considerably. The current trend at the IPMS/USA National Convention is to treat aftermarket conversion kits as stock parts for entry and judging purposes, and require conversion entries to be based on the work of the builder. This isn't necessarily foolproof. Other contests still cling to the old definition that anything that changes the original kit designation constitutes a conversion. Its best to keep in mind that a contest trophy is not the Nobel Peace Prize. Build models, enter them in contests and hoist a few beers afterward. Enjoy the events. Eli Geher IPMS/USA 2164 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:25:07 -0800 From: larmin@ix.netcom.com (Larry Armin ) To: wwi Subject: Kit sale followup Message-ID: <199603281825.KAA18125@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Thanks to all of you who responded to my kit sale notice. I'll get the lists mailed this weekend. (I've had the flu, and am only at work today because my head customer service person has it too.) Those of you who need a different document format: it may take a little longer. I'm not the most sophisticated user. However, I believe I have a (currently not installed) conversion program that may work for this. One way or another, I'll respond. If your server doesn't give headers and you didn't get my e-mail address from the first post, it is larmin@ix.netcom.com. (That's a lower case "ell", not a "one".) Larry Armin, Aurora, CO ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 78 ********************