WWI Digest 71 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: 1/48th (!) question by "Matt Bittner" 2) 1/48th (!) question - instruments by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 3) Re: Barnes & Noble by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 4) Re: Barnes & Noble by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) Re: Barnes & Noble by bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) 6) a wheel... a wheel.... by Erik Pilawskii 7) Re: new sierra by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 8) Re: Barnes & Noble by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 9) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 10) Re: Barnes & Noble by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 11) Re: new sierra by Jose Valenciano 12) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is by Jose Valenciano 13) Re: 1/48th (!) question - instruments by Jose Valenciano 14) RE: 1/48th (!) question - instruments by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 15) RE: 1/48th (!) question - instruments by Jose Valenciano 16) Re: Barnes & Noble by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 17) Re: Barnes & Noble by aew (Allan Wright) 18) Re: new sierra by amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) 19) Is this thing on? by aew (Allan Wright) 20) The end of an era.... by djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) 21) Re: Barnes & Noble - Canvas Falcons by The Flying Wrench 22) Re: Barnes & Noble - Canvas Falcons by "Matt Bittner" 23) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 24) Re: The end of an era.... by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:16:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: RE: 1/48th (!) question Message-ID: <199603201317.NAA29831@cso.com> On 19 Mar 96 at 23:39, SDW@qld.mim.com.au typed diligantly: > I make my own, and it must be close to the easiest improvement I can > think of. Ya know, here's an idea. Those wonderul color pictures that Windsock has been running? I bet you could shrink those enough to get the same effect. Hmmm...anybody try it yet? Matt ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 96 07:28:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: 1/48th (!) question - instruments Message-ID: <199603202148.HAA20878@mimmon.mim.com.au> On 21 Mar Matt said: >Ya know, here's an idea. Those wonderul color pictures that Windsock >has been running? I bet you could shrink those enough to get the >same effect. Hmmm...anybody try it yet? I have. It's no good on my office copier because the copier won't reproduce the range of tones at all well, and the quality drops off with every iteration (and they need to be reduced a lot) This is no suprise, since the copier is intended to make high contrast copies in one generation. But I HAVE made instruments from the Windsock pics, though not decals. Take one Windsock page, photograph on colour slide film. OVEREXPOSE by about 2 stops. It's possible to calculate where to set the camera up to get the instruments the right size, but unless you have the right gear you're better off doing a rough calculation based on how big the instrument should look on a 35mm slide, and making it look that big in the viewfinder - then make some trial and error experiments. BTW the reason I overexpose, is that slides are meant to be viewed with light shining through them, and I intend to mount mine on white card a la Eduard. Now I want Rimmell to publish a nice range of instrument photos suited to a Bristol F.2B !! Shane sdw@qld.mim.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:47:52 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <096.04001859.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I give up - what's a chien? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:17:31 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: >I give up - what's a chien? > >Ken Its French for our four legged best friend that pants, barks and piddles on your living room rug. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 16:35:46 EST From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:35:48 lothar@ncw.net (mark) wrote: > Receiving a prominent plug on the front cover and again on P.5 of the > catalog is a new book, The Canvas Falcons/Men and Planes of World War I > by a Stephen Longstreet. On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:28:42 -0500 amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) wrote: > Mark- this book is a real chien IMHO- Cheers Gerry > In fact I'll give it to you for postage I'll second Gerry's opinion, Mark. This book was originally printed in the early 70s, and the lack of serious research really shows. I almost threw the book when I read a paragraph saying that Richthofen strafed RFC pilots in their chutes. *Say what?* I'll go Gerry one better. I'll give you the book for free, just to get it out of my house. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: a wheel... a wheel.... Message-ID: Greetings All, A question: if I were a ca.1918 German wooden wheel, what color would my 'rim' be? If I were a non-Fokker built D.VII, what color would my "U" shaped hand hold be? (If I were clever enough to answer these things, what color would my facial expression be?) TIA, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "The comments previous of our Right Honourable colleague The Chancellor of the Exchequer are not to be brushed aside lightly-- they are to be thrown down with great force!...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:42:15 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: new sierra Message-ID: <199603210142.RAA23498@ix13.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >Has anyone built any of the Sierra models. In the Windsock magazines they >rave about them. But I know the reveiws in Windsock are not >often of actual built models, more judgements of content and accuracy. Also >are these models say more work than a typical Eduard injected offering. I built the original OAW DIII in 1989. Bob later upgraded this kit and I have bought quite a few others since. They are quite good and accurate basic vacs. Surfaces are nice and clean and I like his treatment of wing ribbing. I concur with the comments already posted about cockpits, struts and engines. I prefer to make my own struts from brass or aluminum for greater durability when driving to contests. For $20 they are a good buy if you want to build a subject that is not available in injected form. At any rate the DIII was good enough for a third in 'vac-forms 1/48 and up' at the 1991 nationals. Cheers! Greg Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:05:12 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <096.04025501.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Que bueno! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:05:15 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is Message-ID: <096.04025505.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Joe, Unlike Matt, I only build 1/72 aircraft when I need a break from my first love, 1/700 - 1/720 ships :) (partially true). I'm interested in your ship conversions. Let me know if you'd like to compare notes, plans, construction ideas. Ken Hagerup (npwe28a@prodigy.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:05:07 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <096.04025488.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I have to agree with the prevailing opinions on this book. It is more a collection of anecdotes (only some of which are true) than a scholarly historical work. It does manage to provide a flavor of WWI, but it is somewhat of a Hollywood version of it. Some common myths are perpetuated and a lot of facts are clearly inaccurate. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:39:38 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: new sierra Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Greg Springer wrote: > I built the original OAW DIII in 1989. > I prefer to make my own struts from brass or aluminum How do you make your struts? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:46:21 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, KENNETH L HAGERUP wrote: > Unlike Matt, I only build 1/72 aircraft when I need a break from my first > love, 1/700 - 1/720 ships :) (partially true). I'm interested in your ship > conversions. Let me know if you'd like to compare notes, plans, > construction ideas. Yes, please get a thread on WWI waterline going. I can share this with ship modellers here and get them interested in making kits from this time in history. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:57:59 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 1/48th (!) question - instruments Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > Now I want Rimmell to publish a nice range of instrument photos suited to > a Bristol F.2B !! I'm sure you would Shane, good luck on that project! BTW, nobody has a good quality vac of this bird on the market, yes? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 96 14:10:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: 1/48th (!) question - instruments Message-ID: <199603210429.OAA02290@mimmon.mim.com.au> On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 I wrote: >> Now I want Rimmell to publish a nice range of instrument photos suited to >> a Bristol F.2B !! Joey replies >I'm sure you would Shane, good luck on that project! >BTW, nobody has a good quality vac of this bird on the market, yes? Not so far as I know, though Falcon HAD one which I've never seen. I have 90% of a perfectly nice scratchbuilt one though - if I could only drive myself to finish the hard bits. Shane So does anyone have a nice 1:48 Rolls Royce Falcon engine they don't want ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:33:30 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: 1/48th (!) question - instruments Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > Joey replies > > >I'm sure you would Shane, good luck on that project! > > >BTW, nobody has a good quality vac of this bird on the market, yes? > > Not so far as I know, though Falcon HAD one which I've never seen. I > have 90% of a perfectly nice scratchbuilt one though - if I could only > drive myself to finish the hard bits. Pick at it man, you're almost there! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:20:14 -0800 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <199603210720.XAA18256@bing.ncw.net> >On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:28:42 -0500 amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) >wrote: > >> Mark- this book is a real chien IMHO- Cheers Gerry >> In fact I'll give it to you for postage > >I'll second Gerry's opinion, Mark. This book was originally printed >in the early 70s, and the lack of serious research really shows. I almost >threw the book when I read a paragraph saying that Richthofen strafed >RFC pilots in their chutes. *Say what?* > >I'll go Gerry one better. I'll give you the book for free, just to >get it out of my house. > >Bill Guess that won't be necessary, Bill! Thanks to the input from you, Gerry and Ken, I think I'll save that $7.98 for something more worth while. It pays to consult the WWI modeling list before shelling out the dinero! "Strafing RFC pilots in their chutes" !?!?!?!?!?!?!? Cazart!!! :-0 Mark R. lothar@ncw.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:07:42 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Cc: [A Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <199603211307.IAA07811@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > >On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:28:42 -0500 amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) > >wrote: > >> Mark- this book is a real chien IMHO- Cheers Gerry > >> In fact I'll give it to you for postage I bought my copy from a local Barnes&Noble in the overstock bin for $1.99 it's worth about that. There are some interesting chapters in it - if you can get past the flotsam. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:15:29 -0500 From: amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) To: wwi Subject: Re: new sierra Message-ID: Joey V. asked: > >How do you make your struts? Joe- Have you considered Strutz from Skybirds 86 in England? Mail order only- they are airfoil shaped brass and do a smahing job of supporting the model both from the strut and undercarriage mode. Cheers Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:36:57 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Is this thing on? Message-ID: <199603211436.JAA00653@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just another test - the server seems to be being finicky today. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:14:54 -0600 From: djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) To: wwi Subject: The end of an era.... Message-ID: <9603211513.AA25871@deimos.tx.iex.com> Found this today. >> >>English: >> >>The Dutch aeronautical manufacturer FOKKER put in bankrupcy. After the >>pull-out of possible takers, more than 5,600 employees thus find themselves >>out of work... >>(...) >>The Dutch aeronautical manufacturer FOKKER declares bankrupcy. No longer >>able to reimburse its debts after January 23d last, Fokker had benefited >>from a credit extended by the Dutch government. Companies offering to take >>over had until today to make known their terms. After the pull-out of the >>Chinese AVIC, no take-over agreement was able to be concluded with the >>Korean SAMSUNG. Production units were thus put in bankrupcy. More than >>5,600 employees will receive their pink slips tomorrow. >> >>@ >> >>Alan ALBRIGHT >>dycamurat@ucdavis.edu >> >> >Bankrupcy official now. Some smaller sub-companies survived though: >electronic parts and maintenance Fokker fleet. >Efforts are being made to re-start the Fokker-core: SAAB is named as >potential partner. Perhaps the name will survive! > >Marc Verdoes (Netherlands) >M.J.M. Verdoes >P.H. Spaakring 31 >3137 DH VLAARDINGEN > Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 06:22:05 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble - Canvas Falcons Message-ID: <199603211522.GAA08389@anchor> At 08:07 AM 3/21/96 -0500, Allan Wright wrote: >I bought my copy from a local Barnes&Noble in the overstock bin for $1.99 >it's worth about that. There are some interesting chapters in it - if you >can get past the flotsam. > The Wrench sez: I guess I'm not as discerning as many of the other posters on this list, or perhaps my lack of discrimination is derived from being so starved for WWI aviation subject matter, that I'll read anything printed about said subject matter. Although I found many of the inaccuracies (in some cases, depending on whom one believes) as stated in the other posts, I still found the book interesting reading. I will admit that the book was rather sensationalized in the worst Hollywood tradition, but it still gave me a few interesting hours of aviation diversion. I wish I had read the list first though - I could have saved the $7.99 I paid for it. Barnes & Nobles is, from my understanding, a clearing house for unsold books, books that were pulled from the shelves or left in stock due primarly to a lack of interest or in some cases overprinting. Whenever one purchases a book from such a source, they can expect a potential 'das bow wow' so caveat emptor. This entire discussion begs the question: What tomes do the list members recommend for accurate, well written, books on WWI aviation written in the same form as 'The Canvas Falcons', ie: Narrative as opposed to statistical reference material? The Flyin' Wrench CONTACT! CHOCKS AWAY! - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:34:33 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Barnes & Noble - Canvas Falcons Message-ID: <199603210935.JAA16556@cso.com> On 21 Mar 96 at 10:20, The Flying Wrench typed diligantly: > discussion begs the question: What tomes do the list members > recommend for accurate, well written, books on WWI aviation written > in the same form as 'The Canvas Falcons', ie: Narrative as opposed > to statistical reference material? I've read - and enjoyed - the Farmer book on the Layfette Escadrille. Unfortunately, the title now escapes me. Since it's not a biography (check out the Doughboy publication for that), it's more of a history of the squadron. Highly recommended, although a *tad* bit hard to find. I'll try and remember the titles Monday. I'm off tomorrow (most people tell me I'm off everyday...), and Saturday is the KC-Contest, so Monday will have to do. Unless by some *miracle* I remember... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 07:53:34 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) Message-ID: <9602218274.AA827423703@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> --- I am re-posting this as I sent it yesterday and it never showed. This is reallllly important stuff so listen up; hey Matt and Wrench -- quit shooting spitwads and pay attention! On the other hand, do whatever... maybe I sent the thing and Al deleted it as non sequitor. Al (aka Big Brother) is watching? 1. Relatively acurate (I want to spend my time on the details, not correcting the Revell Dr.1) 2. A cheap-o injection molded kit. 3. Still in production (so I don't have to search for it). As a builder of 1/48 stuff in WWI, (he stumbled into the room knocking over a standing lamp and stepping on the cat) I have little to contribute. BUT on the other hand, there are some very interesting non-WWI subjects in 1/72. One of my favorites (some people say that there are accuracy problems but I don't know what they're talking about) is the Italeri Hs126. Fits like a dream, good detail. Yeah, a few years old but still worth building. Plus it comes in this very chic butterscotch colored plastic. Most of the pursuit aircraft of WWI were mighty small; in 1/72 its hard to see the damn things! That's why I choose 1/48 for that. I mix and match scales you see... Now for 1/48!! Take a look at the new Eduard Albatross DV. Nice kit. They have really improved their molding process a lot. That was their chief detractor as far as I'm concerned. They also switched from brass to steel; too bad. I like brass better. oops! This isn't cheap-o; that was #2 criterion. Until later .... Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:38:57 -0600 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: The end of an era.... Message-ID: <199603211838.MAA12712@sh1.ro.com> djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) posted >Found this today. > >>> >>>English: >>> >>>The Dutch aeronautical manufacturer FOKKER put in bankrupcy. After the >>>pull-out of possible takers, more than 5,600 employees thus find themselves >>>out of work... etc. > I sent up something on this at the beginning of the week, but it apparently disappeared in the server problems. Its my impression that Fokker was the last producer from the pioneer and WWI period that was still basically operating as an independent design and production operation. Shorts is still active under its original name, but is a business unit of Bombardier and is at least somewhat integrated with their other aviation interests (ie Canadair & DeHaviland Canada). Beyond that, all of the best known WWI aircraft companies seem to have folded or disappeared into British Aerospace and Aerospatiale. I'm unsure the status of such Italian firms as Macchi, and may well be unaware of some of the Central Powers survivors. Sikorski goes on in the US, but lacks corporate continuity with the original Russian operation. I don't think any of the current US firms have roots any earlier than the '20s. Does anyone have any light to shed on this subject? Eli Geher ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 71 ********************