WWI Digest 69 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Eduard's Hannover ClIII by Jose Valenciano 2) Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 3) Re: Squadron's latest... by Mick Fauchon 4) Re: FYI...Sopwith Tripe?....See ya! by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: WW1 Modeler Needs Help (fwd) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 6) Test message by "Matt Bittner" 7) List Down? by aew (Allan Wright) 8) Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) by "Joseph R. Boeke" 9) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 10) Re: WW1 Modeler Needs Help (fwd) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 11) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) by Erik Pilawskii 12) Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 13) Barnes & Noble by Peter Ansoff <72460.1665@compuserve.com> 14) Re: new sierra by Ray Boorman 15) RE: 1/48th (!) question by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 16) RE: Eduard's Hannover ClIII by SDW@qld.mim.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:27:22 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard's Hannover ClIII Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, assistant prof. Lara wrote: > Just finished assembling the upper wing last night(and what a nightmare it > was!). > I knew I should have done a better test-fitting first, but, well, you know... > Anyway, I found out that on my kit, the pre-drilled holes on the right side > of fuselage were slightly wrong, thus resulting in a misaligned upper wing. > They had to be drilled nearly 1 mm forward. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:29:08 +1000 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks Message-ID: <199603190829.SAA03178@world.net> This is No. 3 and has recently been re-printed (end of last year) - should be easily available. >Hi All, > >Anyone know of the availability of the Windsock Datafile on the D.V? > >Rob > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:19:28 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Subject: Re: Squadron's latest... Message-ID: Wrench, > >> Glencoe > >> Pfalz DIII $ 8.99 " > > I was just looking at one today in the hobby shop today. > > Give me your address and I'll send it to you if you like; although my advice > would be to wait for the Eduard version. Thanks for the offer and the advice, I think things are fixed up; I got another offer I couldn't refuew 80) Sound advice to wait for the Eduard, but I wanted the Aurora basically for old times' sake. > happy. The kit I is right at eleven dollars here in Alaska, everything is > higher here though. On the other hand there is no sales tax in Anchorage so > there is a tendancy for this to even out outside prices. I expect the > postage will be as much as the model though. I'd say that'd be right. THe kit is supposed to retail here for about $A22....if we see it. Thanks again, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:32:46 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FYI...Sopwith Tripe?....See ya! Message-ID: Anthony, > However, it will come back to the forefront very soon, as SWMBO and I > are going to Australia for 5 weeks. In fact we'll be at The Australian > War Memorial on April 20-21st!! Those dates ring any bells for > anyone?? Yep. I could probably get down there that weekend, and if you like we could meet at the AWM. Sound OK? If yoou give us Ausies an itinerary, I'm sure some of us could work something out. I can't wait. I will also be removing my name from the list > during that time....I don't even want to imagine what my mailbox would > look like if I didn't! I can tell you what it looks like: it looks bloody horrible! I was away for four months and couldn't get off one list. > > Anyone have any suggestions as to what else we shouldn't miss while in > Australia please feel free to suggest. Yes, your net-buddies! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:39:27 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Cc: hmaury@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: WW1 Modeler Needs Help (fwd) Message-ID: Greetings all, Allan posted this request recently, so here are a few items on Avitik machines. After doing a little checking I find that Aviatik C-Is were built by four manufacturers, Lohner (series 214), Aviatik (series 37 & 137), Lloyd (series 47) and WKF (series 83 & 183). For the most part these machines left the factory in a finish of varnished plywood on their fuselages with wings and tail surfaces in plain doped fabric and plain crosses applied to these. Aircraft manufactured by Lohner had the painted hexagon camouflage scheme applied with plain doped undersurfaces for the wings and tail. Some of the plain finished machines were later painted in the "sutumn leaf" scheme, basically a finish of green, brown and ochre colored paint applied to the aircraft with a sponge or rag dipped in the paint, the overall effect is for a rather dark finish. The latest Americal/Gryphon sheet #114, features markings for Austro-Hungarian Fliks (i.e. squadrons) 51-55 and includes markings for an Aviatik C-I from Flik 53D. Some of their earlier Austro-Hungarian marking sheets may have additional markings for the C-I, I haven't checked there specifically. A useful reference for color schemes of Austro-Hungarian aircraft is the following: "Die Fleugzeug der k.u.k Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918" by E. Hauke, W. Schroeder & B. Toetschinger, published in 1988 by H. Weishaupt Verlag Postfach 29 A-8047 Graz AUSTRIA ISBN 3-900310-46-7 This book includes a number of nicely done color profiles of various Austro-Hungarian machines. Hope this helps. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > >WWI List: If anyone can give Hector some help please do. He's not a WWI list >member so CC him on the mail. > >> I recently got my hands on a Pegasus Halberstadt CL-IIa and Merlin's >> Aviatik C-I and 30.40. Unfortunately, I'm lost as to how to paint them. >> >> The Pegasus instructions describe a six color mottled area on both the >> body and center portion of the upper wing. Do you or any member of your >> group have a jpg or gif or what this is supposed to look like? >> >> Any info on paint schemes for the Aviatik birds would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance for the assistance and great job with the Web site! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Hector Maury (hmaury@ix.netcom.com) >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:43:33 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Test message Message-ID: <199603191044.KAA11815@cso.com> This is just a test. Our connection went down sometime early this morning, and I want to be sure things are getting out and coming back in. FWIW, I was given the Eduard *1/72nd* Fokker D.VIII for my birthday. Nice kit! Although I wonder why Eduard went from brass to nickel steel. Granted, the struts should be something stronger than brass, but the other "tiddly bits" are better left as brass, just for ease of building. Anybody built the 1/72nd version yet, and willing to provide a builder review? I can't remember, but I believe someone built the 1/48th job, and not the 1/72nd one. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: List Down? Message-ID: <199603191910.OAA00700@pease1.sr.unh.edu> This is a test to see if the list is back up. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:59:11 -0500 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: " List, WWI Modelers" Subject: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) Message-ID: <9603192156.AA17208@coral.bucknell.edu> Okay, I was talking to Matt, and I confessed that I feel like I haven't built a static WWI aircraft in sooooo long, that I need to get back into the swing of things. Currently on my work bench (pile) right now is a 1/720 USS Arizona (Revell) to USS Pennsylvania conversion project, a 1/720 USS Indianpolis (Matchbox) to USS Chicago conversion project, a Comet stick and tissue SPAD XIII, and Fokker D.VII (true, they're WWI, but just not the same as a "true" static kit), and several WWII 1/700 aircraft that I am painting. I just haven't done a styrene/resin/vac WWI plane in months... I have a number of WWI projects that I would like to start, but I feel like I need to gnash my teeth on something that I won't care if I mess up. I primarilly build 1/72nd naval planes (i.e., float planes, sea planes, flying boats), and multi engined bombers (my WWI loves), but I was thinking of picking up a cheap-o Revell/Airfix/Ertl kit and working on it. So, will anyone (everyone) reccommend their favorite 1/72 kit that is: 1. Relatively acurate (I want to spend my time on the details, not correcting the Revell Dr.1) 2. A cheap-o injection molded kit. 3. Still in production (so I don't have to search for it). I would be happy to compile the results and post them back to the list. As always, thanks, Joe +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Towering genius disdains a beaten | | Bucknell University | path, it seeks regions hitherto | | (717) 524-3200 | unknown. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:27:23 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) Message-ID: Joe writes: >I have a number of WWI projects that I would like to start, but I feel like >I need to gnash my teeth on something that I won't care if I mess up. I >primarilly build 1/72nd naval planes (i.e., float planes, sea planes, flying >boats), and multi engined bombers (my WWI loves), but I was thinking of >picking up a cheap-o Revell/Airfix/Ertl kit and working on it. > >So, will anyone (everyone) reccommend their favorite 1/72 kit that is: > > 1. Relatively acurate (I want to spend my time on the details, not >correcting the Revell Dr.1) > 2. A cheap-o injection molded kit. > 3. Still in production (so I don't have to search for it). > >I would be happy to compile the results and post them back to the list. > This was the subject of discussion some time ago. I seem to recall that the vote was split between the Revell or ESCI Fokker D-VII and the Airfix Roland C-II. True it is a little biased to German a/c, but judging this group is this a surprise ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:29:49 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Cc: hmaury@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: WW1 Modeler Needs Help (fwd) Message-ID: Greetings all, Allan posted this request recently, so here are a few items on Avitik machines. After doing a little checking I find that Aviatik C-Is were built by four manufacturers, Lohner (series 214), Aviatik (series 37 & 137), Lloyd (series 47) and WKF (series 83 & 183). For the most part these machines left the factory in a finish of varnished plywood on their fuselages with wings and tail surfaces in plain doped fabric and plain crosses applied to these. Aircraft manufactured by Lohner had the painted hexagon camouflage scheme applied with plain doped undersurfaces for the wings and tail. Some of the plain finished machines were later painted in the "sutumn leaf" scheme, basically a finish of green, brown and ochre colored paint applied to the aircraft with a sponge or rag dipped in the paint, the overall effect is for a rather dark finish. The latest Americal/Gryphon sheet #114, features markings for Austro-Hungarian Fliks (i.e. squadrons) 51-55 and includes markings for an Aviatik C-I from Flik 53D. Some of their earlier Austro-Hungarian marking sheets may have additional markings for the C-I, I haven't checked there specifically. For those that are interested there is a 1:48 kit of the Aviatik C-I available from Sierra Scale models, Kit #48-16 at $19.95. A useful reference for color schemes of Austro-Hungarian aircraft is the following: "Die Fleugzeug der k.u.k Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918" by E. Hauke, W. Schroeder & B. Toetschinger, published in 1988 by H. Weishaupt Verlag Postfach 29 A-8047 Graz AUSTRIA ISBN 3-900310-46-7 This book includes a number of nicely done color profiles of various Austro-Hungarian machines. Hope this helps. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > >WWI List: If anyone can give Hector some help please do. He's not a WWI list >member so CC him on the mail. > >> I recently got my hands on a Pegasus Halberstadt CL-IIa and Merlin's >> Aviatik C-I and 30.40. Unfortunately, I'm lost as to how to paint them. >> >> The Pegasus instructions describe a six color mottled area on both the >> body and center portion of the upper wing. Do you or any member of your >> group have a jpg or gif or what this is supposed to look like? >> >> Any info on paint schemes for the Aviatik birds would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance for the assistance and great job with the Web site! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Hector Maury (hmaury@ix.netcom.com) >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:17:38 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: wwi Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) Message-ID: > Currently on my work bench (pile) right now is a 1/720 USS Arizona (Revell) > to USS Pennsylvania conversion project, a 1/720 USS Indianpolis (Matchbox) > to USS Chicago conversion project, a Comet stick and tissue SPAD XIII, and > Fokker D.VII (true, they're WWI, but just not the same as a "true" static > kit), and several WWII 1/700 aircraft that I am painting. I just haven't > done a styrene/resin/vac WWI plane in months... I say! Blaspheme of the highest order! These monstrosities even have weird things on them called, I think, "jets"-- sick and perverted aircraft lacking in the most basic of attributes (i.e. propellers, rigging wires, etc.). ;^) > > So, will anyone (everyone) reccommend their favorite 1/72 kit that is: > > 1. Relatively acurate (I want to spend my time on the details, not > correcting the Revell Dr.1) > 2. A cheap-o injection molded kit. > 3. Still in production (so I don't have to search for it). > I'd go with the Revell Fokker D.VII (1/72, of course). I think it hits all of the above criteria, and is pretty straightforward. A next choice would be the Airfix Sopwith Pup. My 347 Lira, anyway.... Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "The comments previous of our Right Honourable colleague The Chancellor of the Exchequer are not to be brushed aside lightly-- they are to be thrown down with great force!...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:41:07 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Favorite 72nd injection kit (that is currently avialable) Message-ID: Erik needs to do a little reading: >> Currently on my work bench (pile) right now is a 1/720 USS Arizona (Revell) >> to USS Pennsylvania conversion project, a 1/720 USS Indianpolis (Matchbox) >> to USS Chicago conversion project, a Comet stick and tissue SPAD XIII, and >> Fokker D.VII (true, they're WWI, but just not the same as a "true" static >> kit), and several WWII 1/700 aircraft that I am painting. I just haven't >> done a styrene/resin/vac WWI plane in months... > > I say! Blaspheme of the highest order! These monstrosities even have weird >things on them called, I think, "jets"-- sick and perverted aircraft lacking >in the most basic of attributes (i.e. propellers, rigging wires, etc.). ;^) None of the 4 fine floating vessels mentioned above would ever have carried a "jet". At least the Arizona even carried aircraft with 4 wings and rigging. Add 347 more Lira Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 96 19:06:58 EST From: Peter Ansoff <72460.1665@compuserve.com> To: WWI Modeling List Subject: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <960320000657_72460.1665_IHD92-2@CompuServe.COM> I was not too impressed by "Zeppelins of World War I" -- it was incomplete and had some inaccuracies. The standard work on the subject is Robinson's "The Zeppelin in Combat." It's a bit pricy, but worth it if you're interested in the subject. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: KENNETH L HAGERUP, INTERNET:NPWE28A@prodigy.com DATE: 3/17/96 6:37 PM > Another good WWI book I found there was Zeppelins of World War I. Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:52:12 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: new sierra Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.16.19960319195443.235f23b4@pop.lynx.bc.ca> Has anyone built any of the Sierra models. In the Windsock magazines they rave about them. But I know the reveiws in Windsock are not often of actual built models, more judgements of content and accuracy. Also are these models say more work than a typical Eduard injected offering. Ray Boorman (If its grammar you want, you came to the wrong place!) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 14:38:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: 1/48th (!) question Message-ID: <199603200456.OAA22258@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matts been at it again: >the DML Dr.I I built, I was wondering: They didn't >supply a compass decal for the cockpit compass. What are some good >sources for 1/48th instrument decals, specifically WW1? For that >matter, what do people use for 1/72nd? I think PP Aeroparts put out >1/72nd instrument dial decals, but I'm not certain. TIA! I make my own, and it must be close to the easiest improvement I can think of. Draw a whole bunch of them on white paper in 4 times the size you want. I use drafting pens but fine felt tips are okay as well. Reduce them onto clear decal film in the office copier (at 25% , if the copier doesn't go that low, do two steps) Paint bacground white (or whatever colour needed) and place one of your new decals on it. TA -DA !! , just like a bought one. You can make generic instruments or go the whole way and research using WW1 Aero, Windsock or whatever. I made a sheet of about 100 in 3 hours - two years ago. Shane ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 96 14:44:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Eduard's Hannover ClIII Message-ID: <199603200503.PAA22482@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt just can't keep quiet while all this interesting chat is going on.... >Okay, Eduard, here's my plea. Not only do we (well, most of "we" >;-)) want more 1/72nd (where's the supposed MPM venture into WW1?), On what measure? Body weight? Unless you're a BIG sucker, I figure you're wrong. Time for a survey, bring in the market consultants.... >but we want more non-German stuff. It's great that the D.V(a), and >soon D.III is out, but what about the (surprise) Nieuports? The only >1/48th venture of the Nie 17 is the old Hawk/Testors kit, which is >lacking in a few places. And please, come down in price. It's hard >to build a squadron when they're so expensive. ;-) Get real Matt. How about some British stuff, (pant,pant) and consign the frogs to history. Shane (BTW, If it's okay for the French to test their bombs underground in the Pacific, they have nothing to complain about if terrorists insist on testing their bombs underground in Paris) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 69 ********************