WWI Digest 67 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) st-st-static kits for games by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 2) Re: Complaint by tsunami0@ix.netcom.com (Anthony & Ellen Sanchez ) 3) Re: st-st-static kits for games by Ray Boorman 4) Re: Complaint by Ray Boorman 5) Re: KC-Con by John Roll (John P. Roll) 6) Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks by bciciora@wwa.com 7) O-100 by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 8) Barnes & Noble by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 9) Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks by DavidL1217@aol.com 10) Insignia Issue 2 by Richard Humberstone 11) Re: st-st-static kits for games by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) Re: KC-Con by Jose Valenciano 13) new sierra by Jose Valenciano 14) Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks by Ray Boorman 15) Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks by Robert Woodbury ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:34:46 -0800 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: st-st-static kits for games Message-ID: For those few who have missed my presence, I am back from an extended vacation and trying to catch up on a big backlog of good stuff from the group. I needed a bit of a break after a nearly fatal stint in the feature film industry, (look for "James and the Giant Peach" on April 12) and am now looking forward to getting a good start on some long overdue projects. As I head back to my building bench I find that my brother-in-law has a new table top game in his heart. I think it is called Aerodrome and features 1/72 kits as props. As I am more familiar with the Proctor catalog that offerings from static kit vendors I have a few questions. We did a reasonable job on the stock at a local shop today as far as the Pups, Spads and Brisfits go, but had a terrible time trying to outfit the opposition. Now he is looking for a selection of Fokkers, Albatros, Rolands, etc. First and foremost, what sort of kits are available? Secondly, what are the going rates for kits? We picked up 6 - 8 injected kits (Airfix and others) for $4.50 to $10, passed on an Eduard at $20+. Do these sound about right? Is the lack of kits we experienced today due to kits not being issued or being bought up before we could get there? My brother-in-law has a list of types specified for the game and we are hoping to be able to find some locally or through the mail. I assume he will be looking for things like the obligatory Dr.1's, as well as things like E.III's, Roland's, assorted Albatros, and others. Do folks have excess stock they might like to sell? I would expect that 10-15 kits would keep him pretty busy for a while. Despite his very skilled hand as a modeller, absolute accuracy of the kits is not a big factor for this use. All tips and offers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Thayer Syme San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 06:54:10 -0800 From: tsunami0@ix.netcom.com (Anthony & Ellen Sanchez ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Complaint Message-ID: <199603171454.GAA07689@ix16.ix.netcom.com> Hi everyone; As far as I'am concerned, it all depends on what kind of mood I'am in. If I have some time on my hands I'll sit and read through the stuff. It gets easy to tell who the jokers in the group after you've been here for a while. I start by checking out the subject header, If it mentions an airplane or subject I'am not interested in it goes right into the trash. If I can't tell for sure by the subject headers info. I give it a quick glance. If it holds my interest, I continue to check it on a regular basis. Some people include a lot of humor in their postings. If I feel like a giggle, I read it, if not, the trash! Simple, it works, try it you'll like it:) I realize I may miss some interesting stuff by this method but... I survive. Later, Anthony IPMS 33799 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:31:16 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: st-st-static kits for games Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.16.19960317103401.30cfde58@pop.lynx.bc.ca> At 02:33 AM 3/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >Now he is looking for a selection of Fokkers, Albatros, Rolands, etc. >First and foremost, what sort of kits are available? Secondly, what are >the going rates for kits? We picked up 6 - 8 injected kits (Airfix and >others) for $4.50 to $10, passed on an Eduard at $20+. Do these sound >about right? Is the lack of kits we experienced today due to kits not >being issued or being bought up before we could get there? My >brother-in-law has a list of types specified for the game and we are hoping >to be able to find some locally or through the mail. I assume he will be >looking for things like the obligatory Dr.1's, as well as things like >E.III's, Roland's, assorted Albatros, and others. Do folks have excess >stock they might like to sell? I would expect that 10-15 kits would keep >him pretty busy for a while. Despite his very skilled hand as a modeller, > >Thayer Syme >San Francisco > I seem to remember that Revel have the Fokker DR1 and DVII at around those prices. These two are not too bad either and can be got at most model shops. Airfix Revel and I believe ESCI do an Albatross DVa but I know the Airfix one has problems. The other two I have not seen for a long time so they might be out of production. Roland's and Hanovers I believe Airfix have a model of each A Roland CII I'm not sure about the Hanover. Both of these are in the general price range and available. Fokker E.III well Revel did make one but If you find it I would keep it as its out of production now. Anyway thats about all of the ones I can think of that are reasonable. Ray Boorman (A man in search of a nom de plume!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:40:52 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Complaint Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.16.19960317104336.30cfa774@pop.lynx.bc.ca> I generally scan thru the messages and trash the ones I dont want. Just like a newsgroup. I never read every entry in say the scale models newsgroup. I just scan the titles and read the ones I want. That way I dont waste time and since I keep my trash empty it doesnt waste too much space. However I can understand if you are extremely low on disk space the humorus comments might annoy. Since one of them was mine I appologize. However there are times this list is very quiet and I would think the list was down if it wasnt for the Wrench and Matt posting comments. Also being up here in Canada and getting 40 days of rain on occasion I can understand the Wrench and his cabin fever. Ray Boorman (A man in search of a nom de plume)> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 14:10:44 -0600 From: John Roll (John P. Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: KC-Con Message-ID: >On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, John Roll wrote: > >> >Besides the two I know of - Hustad and Hagerup - anybody else going >> >to KC-Con this year? Let us know, if you are. >> > >> >Matt >> > >> I'm going, too! > >How about taking a few shots for those of us who can't go, John? >Maybe Alan can scan them and have them on the WWI Modeling page for a while. > You only need ask... And, I hope to have a scanner soon, so PERHAPS Alan will not have to scan them himself... BTW Joey, why can't you go? How long a trip can it be? BIG 8-) John Roll j-roll@maroon.tc.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 14:47 CST From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:34:34 Ray Boorman wrote: >I just picked up the Eduard Albatros DV/DVa so here is what I think of it Thanks for the review! I have all the previous Eduard kits with the exception of the Floh, but I have yet to assemble any of them. It sounds like the Albatros will have to join my collection. >If you noticed any spelling mistekes then dammit your too darn fussy! I just want to get with the program of the 90's and figure out when "'s" (apostrophe s) i's used to denote a plural. I've seen it used numerou's time's but there seem's to be no pattern. At first I thought it wa's for noun's that end with a vowel, or for acronym's, but now I've seen thing's like "Plastic Moulding's", "elevator's", and "N strut's". Thi's ha's made a shamble's of my previou's belief's. My only recourse i's to use 's for any word that end's in S. Please take the above with a wink and a playful nudge ;-) Bill s >To: wwi >Subject: Eduard DV DVa First Looks >Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.16.19960316163726.241721a6@pop.lynx.bc.ca> > >I just picked up the Eduard Albatros DV/DVa so here is what I think of it so >far. I have not built the model >so this is more an oppinion of the parts. > >Scale 1/48 (No Matt not 1/72) > >The Model is made up of: > >2 Steel Photo-Etch sheets (Although not as much as normal and I wonder why >they have >switched, maybe Steel doesnt crink if mishandled as easily as brass.) > >A White Metal Mercedes Engine with separate Cam-Shaft and intake manifold >(Should be quite realistic and doesnt >need a lot of cleanup) > >2 Plastic sprues containing Wings, Fuselage, tailplane etc. The quality of >the mouldings is I would say 100 percent better than any other 1/48 scale >model Eduard have produced. If you have seen the 1/72 scale Fokker DVIII >then the plastic mouldings are on a par with that model. The mouldings are >not as good as say Tamiya or >Hasegawa but they most certainly a great improvement. > >There is a piece of clear plastic with an instrument back and windshield >printed on it. > >Plastic Moulding's are very crisp with very little flash. The plastic >surface's are not potmarked as much >or as rough as previous Eduard models. The cleanup will be trivial compared >to some of Eduards previous offerings. I layed the wings and fuselage over >the plans in Windsock #3 Albatross DV and the Albatross special. The wings >match in span and are thinner than Eduard have previously molded these >items. The wings have nice rib moulding and include the double ribs that >sandwiched the Ailerion controls. The upper wing has a very slight washout >the plans indicate this might need to be a bit more obvious. >My lower wing is slightly warped but that should be no big deal. The >Fuselage has very nice mouldings for >the circular inspection flaps around the engine. Layed over the plans the >fuselage might be a tad long towards >the tail. All engravings are very finely done. Ie they dont look like >plowmarks. The fuselage fits together very >nicely by the way. In a break from previous Eduard Models there is some >raised moulding inside the fuselage >to represent inner framework. The cockpit is not the usual Photoetch >example. Instead Eduard have resorted to >the more normal 3 peice plastic cockpit, but with a lot of Photo etch detail >peices. The seat is plastic but >is reasonably accurate from the photos that I have. If you liked the photo >etch cockpits that eduard have >produced in the past you might be a little disapointed. I'm not saying the >cockpit is bad or inaccurate but it is not the same as previous Eduard >offerings. I personnaly would have preffered that the moulded framework on >the fuselage sides had been separate pieces. I will end up sanding this >moulding off and scratch building this framework. Appart from that the >cockpit is IMHO reasonably good. > >The tailplane doesnt quite match in shape to the plans I have. Its the shape >of the elevator's that seems to be >off. (But hey perhaps the plans are off too?). The tailplane has a rib >pattern that matches Windsock #3 but >some of the rib detail doesnt appear in the Datafile special?. The wheels >may be slightly undersized. > >There are two spinners and three Airscrews for a DV and DVA. There are Photo >Etch reinforcing plates for the struts that were added to DVa's. However the >extra strut that was fitted between the bottom of the wing strut and the >lower wing is not provided. (Real easy to add this). The N strut's just in >front of the cockpit to the upper wing are photo etch, all others are >plastic. (I much preffer the plastic struts. Especially these as they are >very nicely moulded and very thin. Also photo etch just doesnt look right, >its flat!) The gun Breeches are plastic and nicely detailed. The jackits are >Photo Etch, No metal tubes are provided. The radiater is 2 Photo Etch peices >and fits below and above the upper wing. This should look quite nice. > >Markings and color sheet are for a Pale Grey DVa "Blitz" flown by Von Hippel >of Jasta 5. And an Albatros DV flown by Hermann Goring of Jasta 27 This has >a black Fuselage and is white from 3/4 of the way back to the Rudder. No >Lozenge decals are provided and both aircraft state they had Brown and Green >upper surfaces and pale Blue lower surfaces. I dont think anyone will miss >Eduards lozenge Decals since everyone seems to think >they are too bright. One very nice touch is the (I presume) warning's that >appear on struts are decals. Also there are Axial logo's for the Airscrew's. > >All in all I think this will build up into a very nice and accurate model. >Oh yes price well up here in Canada I payed $50. Expensive yes, worth it, >well an evening out will cost that much and this model should >occupy many evenings so I would say its worth it. > >Now for a question, In Windsock Vol 12 #1 they have reference to a model to >be reveiwed next month. >A Bristol M1C manufactured in resin by a Company called Waldo's models (I >think thats correct), Well has anyone >seen or built this model I would be very interest in an oppinion since I >would love to build this Aircraft. > >Also in the same Windsock there was a warning to Decal and Model >manufacturers about reprinting Windsock plans >without permission I wonder what that was all about?? > > >Ray Boorman. If you noticed any spelling mistekes then dammit your too darn >fussy! > > >1/72 The scale of Matt, 1/48 the scale I my eyes and hands can still cope >with. (Ironic Humour). > > > >------------------------------ > >End of WWI Digest 66 >******************** > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 18:23:25 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: O-100 Message-ID: <096.03759681.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I recently bought an Airfix O-400 which I'd like to convert to an O-100. Besides the available conversion kit is there anything else I'm likely to need? Are there any good references available? Thanks in advance. Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 18:23:38 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Barnes & Noble Message-ID: <096.03759699.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> My local B&N had Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War I for sale at $17.95. It's a good single volume of the aircraft in WWI and although the quality o the photographs is sometimes poor, there are quite a few three view drawings and sketches of construction details. Particularly useful to WWI modelers is the 65 page section on engines. Another good WWI book I found there was Zeppelins of World War I. Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:52:28 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks Message-ID: <960317185225_448734188@emout08.mail.aol.com> I expect to get my DV on Friday (3/22). List in US is $34. Sounds like Eduard has earned the price increase. I look forward to getting my kit. I understand they are due to release a DIII in the next year. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 23:58:19 GMT From: Richard Humberstone To: wwi Subject: Insignia Issue 2 Message-ID: <827106662.1111.0@stratauk.demon.co.uk> To put subscribers minds at rest, the second issue of Insignia will be mailed at the end of next week. We're still awaiting the decals from our printer! Hope the delay hasn't inconvenienced too many people. Richard Humberstone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 20:17:48 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: st-st-static kits for games Message-ID: <096.03768622.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Definitely check out San Antonio Hobby Shop down the peninsula in Montain View. It's exceptionally well stocked (and always on my to do list when I'm in the Bay Area visiting relatives). You will be able to find everything that's currently available and often some out of production kits as well. Good luck, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:46:51 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: KC-Con Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, John Roll wrote: > You only need ask... And, I hope to have a scanner soon, so PERHAPS Alan > will not have to scan them himself... > > BTW Joey, why can't you go? How long a trip can it be? BIG 8-) Heeh! Now where's that book entitled "Astral Travel Made Easy"? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:40:08 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Subject: new sierra Message-ID: Hi guys, A couple of hours ago I was on the phone with Bob Norgen of Sierra vacforms. for those of you who don't know Sierra's latest offerings, here they are: Sierra Scale Models 910 Indian Hills Dr. Elizabethtown KY 42701 phone: 502/737-4437 #48-36 AEG C-IV $19.95 #48-37 Lloyd C.V $22.95 #48-38 Anatra ? #48-39 Grigorovich M.V $22.95 #48-40 DFW C.V $22.95 #48-41 Albatros C.V $22.95 The Antara is not available yet and the DFW will be this summer. He says he still has to make the engine for it. Lately Bob has been going into more WWII stuff. If you're into that sort of thing you can write or call him about it. Personally I've got his AEG G.IV, Hansa-Brandenburg W.29, Roland C.II, and Spad A.2/4 coming at me soon. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:33:00 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.16.19960317193539.4b27746e@pop.lynx.bc.ca> At 03:46 PM 3/17/96 -0500, you wrote: > >I just want to get with the program of the 90's and figure out when "'s" >(apostrophe s) i's used to denote a plural. I've seen it used numerou's >time's but there seem's to be no pattern. > >At first I thought it wa's for noun's that end with a vowel, or for >acronym's, but now I've seen thing's like "Plastic Moulding's", >"elevator's", and "N strut's". Thi's ha's made a shamble's of my >previou's belief's. My only recourse i's to use 's for any word that >end's in S. Gosh darn now they expect me to do grammar? (The joke is I originally hail from England and actually went to a grammar school.) At present I am building the Eduard Sopwith Baby and with all the fit problems the Albatross is looking more and more tempting. I think it will have to get hidden or the baby wont get made, if you pardon the pun. Somebody mentioned that Eduard will be bringing out a DIII. Just think of the conversion possibilities. Austro-Hungarian DIII's with Spinner or rounded nose. DII's and what about the W4 Floatplane. Ray Boorman (A terrible speller with absolutely no grammar) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:00:18 -0500 From: Robert Woodbury To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard DV DVa First Looks Message-ID: <314D96A2.5F1B@per.dwr.csiro.au> Hi All, Anyone know of the availability of the Windsock Datafile on the D.V? Rob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 67 ********************