WWI Digest 57 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) hello out there by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 2) Going Out of Scale sale- Merlin? by "Gerald P. McOsker" 3) Going Out of Scale sale- Merlin? by "Gerald P. McOsker" 4) Back from the dark by Jose Valenciano 5) Eduard Fok. D.VI by Jose Valenciano 6) Re: Disappointment by mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) 7) Re: Disappointment by SCLexicat@aol.com 8) Re: Aviation History by The Flying Wrench 9) Re: Disappointment by The Flying Wrench 10) Re: Aviation History by The Flying Wrench 11) Who's that? by Erik Pilawskii 12) Re:Aviation history by agrafix@ix.netcom.com (Richard G. Ivansek ) 13) Re:Aviation history by The Flying Wrench 14) Re: Who's that? by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 15) Re: Who's that? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Re: Who's that? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 17) Re: Who's that? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 18) Re: Who's that? by The Flying Wrench 19) How many WW I modelers are there ?-redux by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 20) Re: Stick/aileron question by Mick Fauchon 21) Re: Eduard Albatros DV by Martin Lawder 22) Re: Max's E.III by Mick Fauchon 23) Re: Attention: All Eduard Fokker E.III constructors by Mick Fauchon 24) Re: Engine turned cowlings by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:10:50 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: hello out there Message-ID: Is this list completely asleep today ? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 21:03:39 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Going Out of Scale sale- Merlin? Message-ID: <313E43FB.4280@pcix.com> Oh yeah- I really don=B9t know if my earlier post got out as I have = been having trouble with my mailer- Add this- if you want something = E-Mail me directly not to the list as I have no intention of = conducting business en mass- Bitte! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 20:58:18 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Going Out of Scale sale- Merlin? Message-ID: <313E42BA.61F7@pcix.com> Greetings all or guten abend or whatever - = Faced with a meagre production of actual models, a silly habit of = buying everything, the idea of my own mortality and diminished = eyesight- I have decided to rid myself of all [ oh well- most] 1:72 = models. I have about 4-500 or so of all makes etc. Few if any are = still shrink wrapped- [ the urge to fondle y=B9kmow]-Anyway- I=B9m going = to start out with the Merlins- most of which arerather cludgy kits = requiring much work- all have metal parts requiring work, decals = [crosses or roundels only for the most part] and Contrail struts. The accessories are all metal, with figures etc. Again the Merlin = tradition- he maketh poorly but those things that noone else maketh. Prices are listed. Postage? In addition, I am using the Rosemont = postage rules: to 10.00 3.00. 10-20. 3.50 - above that add 10% = Overseas: to 20.00- 6.00, over 20. add 30%. Personal checks will have to clear. If anyone is disatisfied within = 14 days return it and I will return funds less postage. Special Australian rules: I will trade any kit $13.00 or less for = one size 7 1/4 [size 58 continental] Australian Cricket Board baseball cap. First = to contact on that gets it.[After all mates- there are things a bit = more important than the RFC] If anyone is dissatisfied with pricing- make an offer- Here=B9s the Merlin selection: No. Model No available Price 1 AGO C-III 1 14.50 2 Albatross W.4 1 22.00 3 Albatross DXI double with 1 19.50 3 Halberstadt D.V. * 4 Hansa Brand. W20 1 17.50 6 Fokker C.I 1 12.00 7 Fokker DI double with 1 18.00 Fokker DII * 9 Fokker DVI double with 1 15.50 Pfalz DXII * 10 Fokker D VIII 1 7.50 11 Halberstadt DII 1 11.00 12 Pfalz DR I 1 11.00 13 Nieuport 11 Bebe 1 9.00 14 Nieuport 27 1 10.75 15 Vickers FB5 Gunbus 1 14.50 16 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1 10.75 17 Rumpler CIII 1 14.50 18 DH 5 2 10.00 19 DH 9 1 10.00 20 Breguet 14B 1 13.00 21 Halberstadt CLIV 1 11.00 22 BE 2E 1 10.00 23 LFG Roland DII 1 10.00 24 FE 2B 1 15.00 25 Junkers J-1 1 17.50 26 AEG GIV 1 24.00 = Accessories-All white metal-1:72 scale = 31 Crossley Tender = with nurse & 3 RFC crew each 5 @ 11.25 32 6 WWI Engines 1 7.50 gnome = bently = LeRhone = Clerget 110 = Oberursel = Siemens 160 = Mercedes = Clerget 130 = Siemens 115 = 33 Hucks Starter plus 1 13.5 five figures and = Hawker Gun Ring = and Lewis Gun Cheers etc. Gerry Oh yes- the Hasegawa 1/8th SE5a- in shrink wrap? $375. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:27:02 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Back from the dark Message-ID: Hi guys, Some of you may have noticed that the WWI server was down. Today I logged on, and no messages from our chatty bunch. Some messages I mailed to all of you were returned to me. Paranoia was starting to set in. "Am I back into a second modeling Dark Age? Well it seems that everythings alright again. Thank God. And whoever else needs thanking. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:35:05 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Eduard Fok. D.VI Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > For those who don't have it yet, the latest FSM is out. The major > item of importance for us is a review of Eduard's D.VI. However, > this is a disappointment. > > For one thing, the reviewer actually *used* the kit lozenge. Gads, > doesn't he know? ;-) I'm sorry, I don't but would want to. What's wrong with the kit loz.? Is it the "should be 5 color instead of the supplied 4 color" problem again? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:41:37 +0000 From: mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) To: wwi Subject: Re: Disappointment Message-ID: <1385970399-424877@coretech.com> Matt wrote: >For one thing, the reviewer actually *used* the kit lozenge. Gads, >doesn't he know? ;-) > Its not his fault, FSM requires that reviews can only be built "straight from the box". A requirement that has its drawbacks, especially when you know theres better after-market stuff out there! >I don't know, maybe it's just me, but FSM is becoming disappointing >in general. Ah well, I guess I just have to listen to Bob Hayden >when he says we (meaning us great WW1 modelers) should submit more >articles. Maybe I'll get that Nieuport conversion article up to >snuff, and let them have it! What do ya'all think? > (This part is for the entire list) After being a part of this informative group for several months, all I can say is........ quityerbitchin' ;-) and submit your ideas to Bob. He's a reasonable sort, open to new article ideas. It would be best to submit an article idea before actually doing it though. Ask for the article submission guideline, it'll outline all FSM's requirements for an article. In fact, I recently *emailed* an idea for a WWI article to Bob, which he went for. How much easier can it get! His email address is: rhayden@kalmbach.com And don't worry, you don't have to be a "Hemingway" to write an article. Give 'em a try! Oh yeah, did I mention......!THEY PAY! for articles that are accepted. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phil Kirchmeier MindsEye Illustration mindseye@mail.cortech.com "The blues ain't nothin' but a botheration on your mind.." Memphis Slim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:34:24 -0500 From: SCLexicat@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Disappointment Message-ID: <960306153423_239163660@emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 06/03/96 18:26:20, you write: >Ah well, I guess I just have to listen to Bob Hayden >when he says we (meaning us great WW1 modelers) should submit more >articles. Maybe I'll get that Nieuport conversion article up to >snuff, and let them have it! What do ya'all think? > > Guys, I have to sympathise with Bob here. I worked as a magazine editor for a good few years (not about modelling, but the problems are the same), and I understand what he's saying. You can't run what you haven't got. The people on this list, apart from me as I haven't yet complied with conditions A to E in the Holy List of Redemption, are clearly way ahead on technical knowledge and practical experience compared to the people writing most of the kit reviews & general features on WW1 subjects in the UK and US magazines. Given a fair wind many of you may even be able to string the odd couple of words together :-) Yes, write your articles, suggest ideas, offer your abilities to a wider audience. Don't feel shy about it, for goodness' sake. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:20:42 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aviation History Message-ID: <199603062020.LAA21108@anchor> At 02:29 PM 3/6/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >If there are any members that get Aviation History, could you email >me please? I've got a question about a past issue. TIA. Get it. Got it. - Whats your question? Note: E-mailed you direct. Not sure if it got out so am responding in the clear. The Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:13:13 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Disappointment Message-ID: <199603062013.LAA20763@anchor> At 01:16 PM 3/6/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: - Chainsaw editing completed here - >I don't know, maybe it's just me, but FSM is becoming disappointing >in general. Ah well, I guess I just have to listen to Bob Hayden >when he says we (meaning us great WW1 modelers) should submit more >articles. Maybe I'll get that Nieuport conversion article up to >snuff, and let them have it! What do ya'all think? The Wrench suggets: I think you'll do better with FSM if you convert that Nieuport into a 57' Chevy, or a 1/6 scale 'Predator' or an F-16. Convert to these and I think you have an excellent chance of being published. The Flying Wrench CONTACT! - I'm outta here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:18:06 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: meba@cso.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aviation History Message-ID: <199603062018.LAA20981@anchor> At 02:29 PM 3/6/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >If there are any members that get Aviation History, could you email >me please? I've got a question about a past issue. TIA. Get it. Got it. - Whats your question? The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:13:48 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: Who's that? Message-ID: Cheers, I wonder if anyone can tell me (yeah, right-- like someone 'round here *won't* know!) who the manufacturer "VeeDay" is? I see on this model sheet I received that this person is selling some WWI kits of very interesting subjects: BE2c, Albatros D.XI, Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII, Sop.Dolphin (yes, of course, Steve/Matt scale!). The asking price is steep, but, heck, if they're nice.... Anyone own or seen one of these little jewels? TIA, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I find it most remarkable, indeed-- and a scathing indictment of our Civilization-- that the Lads in France did not mutiny and over-throw the military leadership. The mere idea of corpulent, doltish, white-powder- faced Generals directing the mass murder of innocents from the luxury of their remote chateaux is quite enough to cause one to call into question the need for the continuing existence of the Human Race...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:02:51 -0800 From: agrafix@ix.netcom.com (Richard G. Ivansek ) To: wwi Subject: Re:Aviation history Message-ID: <199603080502.VAA11387@ix3.ix.netcom.com> I get the mag. What is your question? Rick Ivansek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:14:05 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Aviation history Message-ID: <199603080514.UAA27693@anchor> At 12:01 AM 3/8/96 -0500, Richard G. Ivansek wrote: > > I get the mag. What is your question? The Wrench informs: Your late, the party is over, already answered that question two days ago. And the answer is: TA TA - The Northrop XP-79. The Flyin' Wrench CONTACT! - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:15:03 -0600 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Who's that? Message-ID: <199603080515.XAA24714@sh1.ro.com> Erik Pilawskii inquired > > I wonder if anyone can tell me (yeah, right-- like someone 'round here >*won't* know!) who the manufacturer "VeeDay" is? I see on this model >sheet I received that this person is selling some WWI kits of very >interesting subjects: BE2c, Albatros D.XI, Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII, >Sop.Dolphin (yes, of course, Steve/Matt scale!). > The asking price is steep, but, heck, if they're nice.... Anyone own or >seen one of these little jewels? Unless theres been a miraculous reincarnation, VeeDay is a long gone producer of limited production injection molded kits, a pioneer of the British cottage industry scene. They specialized in WWI and between the wars topic. My kit mountain contains the Fairey Flycatcher and the Gloster Gamecock and a Pfalz whose mark currently escapes me. The kits are rough around the edges and rather heavy handed, but certainly buildable. (Since I learned my modeling before plastic kits were generally available, I regard ANY kit as buildable if there's enough material to carve.) IMHO these kits are more interesting as collectibles then as projects since few of the subjects are any longer unique. My surviving brain cells seem to recall that VeeDay came to grief with the British authorities when their plastics expertise was used to provide credit cards that were too similar to Visa and MasterCard. Chris Gannon was owed money for masters when VeeDay failed and took an injection molding machine as settlement, thus forming the basis for Pegasus. Or so the legend goes. Eli (up way past his bedtime and getting cranky) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:22:44 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Who's that? Message-ID: <199603080522.AA28923@ednet1.orednet.org> > > Cheers, > > I wonder if anyone can tell me (yeah, right-- like someone 'round here >*won't* know!) who the manufacturer "VeeDay" is? I see on this model >sheet I received that this person is selling some WWI kits of very >interesting subjects: BE2c, Albatros D.XI, Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII, >Sop.Dolphin (yes, of course, Steve/Matt scale!). > The asking price is steep, but, heck, if they're nice.... Anyone own or >seen one of these little jewels? > > TIA, Erik Well, they -ain't- 'little jewels-! Merlin quality at their best, considerably below that at their worst. This was the original 'garage' kit manufacturer start about 1978 in jolly olde England by a fellow named, if I'm remembering the name right, Vagn Esplin (sp??) Production run was a thousand or less of each kit. The Veeday kits were much sought after at the time, not because of the inherient quality of the kits but because -no one- was doing -any- WW1 kits at the time - besides the Veedays, about all that was available was the horrible Airfix Dr. I. Sometime around 82 or so, Veeday decided to go 'upscale' in its operations. Bought a brand new big time molding machine, moved its operations to Ireland, hired a new kit designer (of whom, more later) and announced plans to start cranking out much larger runs of all sorts of esoteric and improved kits. Alas, Irish operations never got off the ground at all - apparently Veeday was operating on the proverbial 'shoe string' and the financial costs associated with the new machine, the move to Ireland, the new employees, etc. was 'too much to handle'. There were some nasty stories about Veeday taking orders and money for kits that were still 'vapor ware' and lots of unhappy folks who sent in their bucks (or pounds or lira or francs) and recieved nothing (hmmmmm, does this story sound familiar??) Worse, in an attempt to keep the operation afloat, the owner apparently cut some corners with the law and ended up in an English gaol. The entire operation collapsed, leaving lots of folks holding lots of bags. The story does, however, have something of a happy ending as the newly hired designer/mold maker was able to purchase the molding machine from the creditors. That designer/mold maker was, of course, Chris Gannon who took the molding machine and used it to start his own plastic kit company, Pegasus, which is still going moderately strong today. And, I've got a Veeday Pfalz XII if you're interested (and the asking price is less than steep - give me $12 and its yours! ) Cheers, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:08:57 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Who's that? Message-ID: Erik asks for a history lesson: > > I wonder if anyone can tell me (yeah, right-- like someone 'round here >*won't* know!) who the manufacturer "VeeDay" is? I see on this model >sheet I received that this person is selling some WWI kits of very >interesting subjects: BE2c, Albatros D.XI, Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII, >Sop.Dolphin (yes, of course, Steve/Matt scale!). > The asking price is steep, but, heck, if they're nice.... Anyone own or >seen one of these little jewels? > Vee Day models was a small cottage operation run by one Vagn Espensen out of the UK in the late 1970's and early '80s. He produced a number of injection kits at a time when most other "small" kit makers were perfecting vac-form kit making. Working from memory, in addition to the kits mentioned by Erik was also a Hansa Brandenburg W.29 that included a decal sheet with naval hex camouflage (colors are ghastly though). The last kit that actually was produced by this concern was a Curtiss Jenny, though not too many of these made it to market. It seems that the firm got into trouble with the authorities over accusations of mail fraud and the proprietor Espensen was hauled off ot jail for a couple of years. Oh yes, toward the end of VeeDay's days a young partner named Chris Gannon was brought on to assist with making a master for the next kit to be released, a 1:72 AEG G-IV. The kit was scheduled to be released with special decals for the hexagon camouflage produced by an equally small company called Americal/Gryphon. Whether Gannon acquired a molding machine or not out of this mess is unknown to me. I have heard that he denies ever having been involved with Espensen or VeeDay. Once V. Espensen was released from jail, he endeavoured to start another modeling company which came to be known as Merlin Models and the rest is history, now being played out by our own Gerry McOsker. Merlin kits are hard enough to find, anyone out there got a VeeDay HB W.29 to sell. I'd kind of like to have one for its decals alone. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:23:42 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Who's that? Message-ID: > I wonder if anyone can tell me (yeah, right-- like someone 'round here >*won't* know!) who the manufacturer "VeeDay" is? I see on this model >sheet I received that this person is selling some WWI kits of very >interesting subjects: BE2c, Albatros D.XI, Pfalz D.III, Pfalz D.XII, >Sop.Dolphin (yes, of course, Steve/Matt scale!). > The asking price is steep, but, heck, if they're nice.... Anyone own or >seen one of these little jewels? To add to my earlier post on VeeDay. The VD quality of moldings was crude by present standards and the overall accuracy of the kits was not as crisp as what we subsequently saw with kits patterned after Czech resins, or the resins themselves. Still, it must be kept in context with the times, VeeDay came along when its principal compteition was 4 WW I vacs from Warbirds (i.e. RarePlanes) and a slew of male vac form kits from Airframe in Canada. Otherwise the WW I builder at the time (about 1980) had mostly what was available from Revell and Airfix, and most of us had already built a load of those and hungered for something more, VeeDay offered one of the first injection molded alternatives to the above mentioned kits. Of the kits Eric mentions above only one, the Albatros D-XI, has NOT been kitted better by another manufacturer. If you harken for lost days of youth then shell out for these, otherwise track down the same kits from Pegasus, he built on the lessons of VeeDay. Incidentally, the Alb. D-XI was sold (mostly) as a double kit with the Pfalz D-XII. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:25:51 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Who's that? Message-ID: <199603080725.WAA03193@anchor> The Flyin' Wrench wonders aloud: I found the 'Who's that?' post very enlightening, not only for the story behind the oddly named Vee Day company, but just how many on the list knew the entire history of this obscure manufacture. Only Eli Geher came up with the corker credit card story though, which makes for very interesting reading. As an ex-collector of various antiquities, I found that a validated story associated with any collector's piece makes for a much higher value. Hence a Walther PPK owned by a high Nazi party official, say perhaps Rudolph Hess, makes for a much higher valued piece than an identical piece with no known history. Because of the story, the Vee Day kits should be valuable among collectors simply because of their background. Another interesting point I was never aware of was the dearth of WWI subjects in the 1980s. I left the modeling scene in 1968 or there abouts and with just a couple of brief forays in the military in the early seventies (due to sheer boredom of an isolated duty station) did not return until 1992. From the brief descriptions given here, I must have missed a lot in the preceeding 24 years. One problem I always had was that I did not realize how many adult modelers there were out here. Even in my youth, I found few who were interested in aircraft modeling. Most of my peers in those days were into the slot or model car genre. Who can blame them? At thirteen, the ownership of a Ford Mustang was much closer than the ownership of a North American Mustang (In fact that aspect hasn't changed one whit). Now, as I realize that WWI subject modeling is on the increase, I wonder how many interested parties are actually out there. Does anyone have any marketing figures or even a rough idea of the size of the WWI modeling market? The Flyin' Wrench 52E rolling on the active - I'm outta here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:06:09 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: How many WW I modelers are there ?-redux Message-ID: >The Flyin' Wrench wonders aloud: > Now, as I realize >that WWI subject modeling is on the increase, I wonder how many interested >parties are actually out there. Does anyone have any marketing figures or >even a rough idea of the size of the WWI modeling market? > This is a difficult thing to estimate but I offer some figures I have gleaned from various places over time, these are estimates (except for C&C) but are pretty close to the mark. At least everyone should get the idea of the numbers involved. Subcribers to Cross & Cockade International.....1437 Subscribers to World War I Aeroplanes.....about 2400 Subscribers to Windsock .....about 2500 Subscribers to Over The Front ........about 2000 (?) Number of copies of any given Pegasus release ..... about 2000 (or so he says) Average number of copies of any given Sierra Scale Models release .....about 250 Alleged number of copies of early Meikraft releases ..... about 2000 (down from the 5000 he planned when he started the enterprise, the kits wouldn't move and he had no place to store them) The point of all this being, we are a small (perhaps very small) market and we should count our blessings every day for the likes of Pegasus, DML and Eduard, among others. My US$ 0.02 Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:35:28 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stick/aileron question Message-ID: Hi, BIll, Hi, gang, ........I'm back on air again at last. Ah, so much to do, so little time.....sigh!! 80) > But, slightly different subject: Did 'they' use locks or similar > devices during WW1 to lock the control surfaces in place on parked > aircraft? Albatros and Pfalz, at least, had a mechanical locking device on the control-column, and this could be set either on the ground or in the air. That stopped it flopping about fore-and-aft, and I've seen a leather strap used in some Fokkers to stop it stick rolling athwart 80). You'll occasionally see shots of a/c the the elevators drooping when the machine is parked, but I've never seen ailerons out of alignment on parked a/c. > Cheers, Cheers, Mick. > > "Cave ab homine unius libri!" .....especially if it's a dictionary! 80) > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:52:14 +22300819 (MEZ) From: Martin Lawder To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV Message-ID: <9603080952.AA21143@sulu.fb12.tu-berlin.de> > Greetings all, > Earlier this week, someone posted that he had picked up this > kit, and someone dutifully requested a review. Did I miss it, or is the > lucky Albatros owner too busy building to review it? > Carlos > Hallo, yes, sometimes I do have to do some sums on this computer. But here's just a quickie look at the kit. I paid DM 38.-, its probably cheaper from the UK. Insidea standard cheap east european cardboard box are: metal 160/180 hp Mercedes two photo etched steel sheets two sprues of plastic decals for a Jasta 5 machine ;silver fuse. with black lightning and wins camouflaged purple/ green. and for a Goering machine black fuselage with purple/green wings. I' got the datafile #3 albatros DV and Albatros special at home, and I checked the parts on the sprue, and in my opinion they agree more with the plans from datafile #3. The fuselage seems ok, including the wavy cutout for the engine and some light moulded detail inside cockpit. Horitontal tailplane seems ok, but the shape of vertical tailplane will need a rubbing down to reshape a little. The strake or cover for the tail skid seems to be a little on the long side, again no problem to correct. Three different styles of prop and two spinners with cutouts for them are included. Wing and undercarriage struts are of plastic, fuse to wing struts are pe. Internal plastic bulkheads in fuselage, and lots of fiddly etched bits and pieces for cockpit detail. In my opinion the detail on this kit is very nice, but maybe I'll get some different decals to finish the kit with. Hope this helps. Cheers.....martin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:05:36 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Max's E.III Message-ID: Wrench, > I have seen a number of references in the past that indicated Max Immelmann > Fokker E.III was doped green. Was this the case and if so, what shade of > green was it? The only reference I have is the new Squadron # 158, (which is > what prompted me to buy the kit, after all what good is reference with > nothing to build?) This publication's colour profiles show a Flik 4, E.I > with a green paint scheme but give no indication that the German Air Service > ever used this scheme. Did Max fly an Austro-Hungarian Fokker. Did he have > his own aircraft doped green or were the references mistaken? Can anyone > clear this matte up? > Looking at the photo of the remains of Immelmann's aircraft on the airfield at Douai, there seems to be no evidence that it was ever green. It wouold have been *extremely* unusual. What are your references? Cheers, Mick. > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:12:43 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Attention: All Eduard Fokker E.III constructors Message-ID: Jose, > consider it too flat. If you do, don't use plastic rod as these > structures weren't made of tube but of wood. Plastic strip would be better. Sorry, but the internal structure of the EIII *was* tube steel. > > Oh, I just remebered, as you make the model be very sure that the prop > will be able to twirl when the model is finished. All truly well crafted > models must have a kinetic component to justify their existence. I'm sure > all our cultists agree on this? Absolutely! It also stops idiots cranking the entire aircraft over when they *have* to spin the prop 80) Cheers, Mick. > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:27:05 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Engine turned cowlings Message-ID: Wrench, > > And one final thought - Chat. Does anyone know the orgins of the term > "chatting"? Does anyone know what a "chat" is? I have a book about trench > warefare and found this term. Can anyone enlighten us as to the meaning of > this term? "Chats" in a trench warfare context, are lice; hence, "chatting" is hunting and exterminating lice in clothing or on the body. Sound like fun? 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 57 ********************