WWI Digest 53 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) eduard albatros dv by Martin Lawder 2) French speakers: CHAR d'ASSAULT CHAR d'ASSAULT by Jose Valenciano 3) Re: eduard albatros dv by The Flying Wrench 4) what you can learn from the Net by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) Re: what you can learn from the Net by Jose Valenciano 6) Re: A tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: what you can learn from the Net by "Matt Bittner" 8) Off topic review by "Matt Bittner" 9) Eduard EIII - Crap? by "Jim Wallace" 10) Re: Eduard EIII - Crap? by "Matt Bittner" 11) Revell Air Aces WWI set by aew (Allan Wright) 12) Re: Revell Air Aces WWI set by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 13) Re: Revell Air Aces WWI set by "Joseph R. Boeke" 14) Renault tank by Jeff Friedrichs 04-Mar-1996 1543 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:06:12 +22300819 (MEZ) From: Martin Lawder To: wwi Subject: eduard albatros dv Message-ID: <9603032206.AA18434@sulu.fb12.tu-berlin.de> I got hold of a brand new Eduard Albatros DV on Saturday, and it is very very nice. :-) BIG grin on face. Cheers...Martin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:09:47 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: French speakers: CHAR d'ASSAULT CHAR d'ASSAULT Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Mar 1996 GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-03-01 21:27:32 EST, you write: > > >How about some info on the more elusive Schneiders and St. Chamonds ! > > Joey, sounds like an intereseting project. The one big problem I would have > is that I speak German, English and a fairly fluent Canadian :), but not > French and the French Museum at Saumer probably has some nice photos and > references but I don't know how to tap into them. Perhaps we have a French > speaker who could help? Glen C'mon mon amis, the Schneids and the St. Chams are real beauties, them with their multi-faceted assymetrical superstructures. Who can help free more info up? As for me I've got line drawings (and little else) of the beasts in question. One by Steve Zaloga (Schneider) and two by Richard Harley (both the above behemoths). I got them when I used to subscribe to MAFVA's (Miniature Armed Forces Vehicle Association) bimonthly periodical, TANKETTE. By the by, doesn't Bovington or Aberdeen have a St. Chamond lying around out in the open? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:54:40 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: eduard albatros dv Message-ID: <199603040254.RAA15417@anchor> At 05:05 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Martin Lawder wrote: >I got hold of a brand new Eduard Albatros DV on Saturday, and it is >very very nice. :-) BIG grin on face. The Flyin' Wrench needles: Well? Are you going to stand there with that big %&#* eaten grin on your face or are you going to tell us about it? Comon be a sport, give us at least a short kit review. I probably won't see my back order for another six weeks. The Wrench AUS, aus, FREI, frei - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:16:01 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: what you can learn from the Net Message-ID: Greetings all, If you haven't checked it out surf on over to: http://www.squadron.com/mailorder/index.html and learn about some new releases (no, the Eduard Albatros is not ! among them, yet) A few things gleaned from the site, new kits from JMGT in France, in 1:48 scale, kits are resin with metal and PE parts, Kit #JT1001 Hanriot HD-1 $84.98 Kit #JT1002 Hanriot HD-2 $89.98 Kit #JT1003 SPAD-VII $99.98 IN 1:72 scale Kit #JT7202 St. Chammond Tank $54.98 (the mantra worked Joey ) IN 1:35 scale Kit #JT3501 Charron C6V armored car $89.98 Have your VISA or MasterCard ready, operators are standing by. Good evening all, Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:52:21 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: what you can learn from the Net Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Charles Hart wrote: > A few things gleaned from the site, new kits from JMGT in France, About JMGT, the hobby shop that I order from over here has a price list out of England that has had the 1/48 stuff below on their list for over a year. > in 1:48 scale, kits are resin with metal and PE parts, > > Kit #JT1001 Hanriot HD-1 $84.98 > Kit #JT1002 Hanriot HD-2 $89.98 > Kit #JT1003 SPAD-VII $99.98 I hope these kits are worth the steep price!! > IN 1:72 scale > > Kit #JT7202 St. Chammond Tank $54.98 > > (the mantra worked Joey ) Now to refine the mantra.... St. Chammond - 1/35 - Schneider - 1/35 - St. Chamond - 1/35 St. Chammond - 1/35 - Schneider - 1/35 - St. Chamond - 1/35 St. Chammond - 1/35 - Schneider - 1/35 - St. Chamond - 1/35 > IN 1:35 scale > > Kit #JT3501 Charron C6V armored car $89.98 1/35! This is more like it. But I have to add: Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:33:27 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <199603040734.HAA25179@cso.com> On 2 Mar 96 at 21:34, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > Matt, I have that puppy downstairs. I think it requires a suspension change > and some other changes. It is doable (cool word, yes?) but is so far down > the list behind the A7V, some Mark IV mods, and the Emhar Whippet threw the > whole production schedule out of whack :), that an injection molded version > will probably be on the street before I get to it. Which will throw the A7V > behind schedule with the Mark IV mods...... :) Glen Ah, so what will happen when the Tadpole (or Tadpoll?) comes out? Enquiring minds, and such... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:33:27 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: what you can learn from the Net Message-ID: <199603040734.HAA25187@cso.com> On 4 Mar 96 at 1:44, Jose Valenciano typed diligantly: > > IN 1:72 scale > > > > Kit #JT7202 St. Chammond Tank $54.98 > > > > (the mantra worked Joey ) > > Now to refine the mantra.... > > Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices > Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices > Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices - Lower prices Just thought I would "cut and paste" that so the mantra would come out right. 1/35th indeed! ;-) And it is hard justifying almost $55 for something thats going to be about two-three inches when built. Yes, I have heard it's a great little kit, but I think I'll wait for 1/72nd plans, and scratch it! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:53:51 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Off topic review Message-ID: <199603040755.HAA25409@cso.com> Received the Atlee 1/72nd Polikarpov I-16 type 10 conversion in the mail Friday, and here are is my initial review. Overall, it's a really nice conversion. Sure, it's not as "crisp" as a TC Berg resin, but it's more than useable. Parts supplied include the cowl/front fuselage/front wing "main" conversion part (all once piece); a replacement "front cowl" (the part that the shutters are applied to to control the air flow); a replacement cockpit floorboard (with molded on rudder pedal and "other detail"); a replacement control stick (extremely nice replacement); a replacement seat (with molded in belts); and an Oigee and reflector sight. I've "committed" the major surgery already, and it's not too difficult. You remove the cowl portion of the forward fuselage halves, as well as the "cowl" portion of the lower wing-half. The only other "alteration" is the filling in of the starboard cockpit "door" - the type 10 had only one "door" leading into the cockpit, and that on the port side. Since I decided to open the port "door", I had to sand down the fuselage side to scale. This included removing the molded in detail. Actually, it turned out for the better, since all molded in detail was one "thickness" and size, whereas the I-16 had differeing thickness for the interior structure. So replaceing it makes it look more "to scale". And yes, I did replace both sides' detail! ;-) One interesting thing I noticed: the molded in locations for the cockpit floor are not parallel. The starboard side on mine was lower than port, giving the appearance that the floor is lilting to starboard. I don't think so. So, I cut off the location points, and will just glue the floor in without these. I'm not sure if this was just my example, or if all Hasegawa I-16's are molded this way. Which brings about another point: the cockpit floor does not reach to both sides of the fuselage. Neither does the Atlee replacement. Since I'm using the replacement - might as well get my money's worth - I added sheet plastic to widen it out enough. The same will have to be done with the stock Hasegawa part. This boggles the mind that Hasegawa can't make a cockpit floor that will reach to both cockpit sides... My only complaints with the resin: the forward fuselage replacement part comes with the engine molded integrally. Not a good choice. It looks ok, but painting is sure to be a female dog. Looks like I'll just close the engine shutters. Also, Atlee's choice of molding the rudder pedals and seat belts integrally doesn't sit well with me. I would rather have these as separate parts. One plus with the conversion is that the gun barrels and the exhausts are drilled out! Also included with the conversion is six or seven type 10 paint schemes - no decals, just schemes. No references are listed, and no "recommended decals" are either. Shame. Overall, the kit is almost worth the $8.00 I paid. Throw in separate rudder pedals and seat belts - and provide the option to use the kit engine - and it would be worth every penny. However, I do recommend the conversion. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 09:57:26 EST From: "Jim Wallace" To: wwi Subject: Eduard EIII - Crap? Message-ID: <9602048259.AA825962994@smtphost.dca.com> I am building the Eduard EIII and have been reading all the good tips from this list, but find major problems with the kit's cockpit. I have the Windsock and Squadron books on the plane for reference. If you line up the suspension on the cockpit floor with the correct position on the outside of the plane, you'll have the pilot sitting under the machine gun! They also leave out all the doors inside the cockpit, one on each side and two on the floor. Most photos also show the vertical tubing behind the pilot not vertical as the photoetch show it. They forgot the control stick tube, the fact that it shows under the fuselage, and left out all the detail that is visible under the pilot on the bottom of the plane. Dang! I was doing this *large* kit as a trial before I detailed out a 1/72 EIII, hoping the 1/48th one would be a good reference. But, alas, I am having to build all the cockpit details anyway. One thing that I cannot find good photos of is the rudder pedal assembly. It appears from the Windsock photos that the pilot would put his feet over the suspension through some modified bracing. This would put the rudder in the curved part of the fuselage. I can see wires that would appear to be rudder controls coming out of that area. Any one have some help here? I recently bought the Eduard 1/72 DVIII which looks *much* better. I certainly hope it is better. Disappointed in a high-tech kit, Jim W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:33:03 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard EIII - Crap? Message-ID: <199603040934.JAA26600@cso.com> On 4 Mar 96 at 10:02, Jim Wallace typed diligantly: > One thing that I cannot find good photos of is the rudder pedal > assembly. It appears from the Windsock photos that the pilot would > put his feet over the suspension through some modified bracing. This > would put the rudder in the curved part of the fuselage. I can see > wires that would appear to be rudder controls coming out of that area. > Any one have some help here? Sorry I can't provide any detail, but I have the following from my database: - C&CI, Vol 12 No 1 has cockpit photos, as well as a structural drawing. - OTF, Vol 9 No 4 has a photo of a stripped machine - Scale Models, Jul 1983 has a feature article, including detail photos and a cutaway drawing - WW1 Aero, #108 showcased it in Cockpits & Instruments - WW1 Aero, #111 has another structural drawing - WW1 Aero, #137 has a cockpit and nose photo (?) - WW1 Aero, #144 has a photo of an uncovered fuselage - Windsock, Vol 10 No 3 contains the review of the model you're working on. HTH, and good luck! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Revell Air Aces WWI set Message-ID: <199603041542.KAA24234@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I've seen this in several used model catalogs. Anyone know what it in the Revell set Air Aces of WWI? Which kits? Which Aces/Decals? Worth how much $$$? Thanks, Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:24:30 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Air Aces WWI set Message-ID: >I've seen this in several used model catalogs. Anyone know what it in >the Revell set Air Aces of WWI? > >Which kits? Which Aces/Decals? Worth how much $$$? > If memory serves, Revell bundled their kits around themes and sold them in one box, this applied to subjects other than WWI like spacecraft. I think that one bundle was the three 1:28 scale kits, though I don't recall them being on an aces theme. There was a bundling, a 3-in-1 set, of the Fokker D-VII, Ni-17 and SPAD XIII all with aces markings, Udet for the D-VII and Guynmer for the 17, the SPAD escapes me. I remember the Fokker was molded in red and my building of it was my first attempt, at age 11, of painting lozenge camouflage. There were two other 3-in-1 bundlings of 1:72 WW I kits which had alternate markings than found in the single releases, these involved the Camel, Se5a, Albatros D-III, DH-2, Fokker E-III and Moraine Saulnier N. I don't remember which went with which. How much are they worth ? How much the market will bear and how badly the owner of the $$ wants the kit. Most of the Revell offerings are generally available if you want to build one, but if you are collecting boxes then you are on your own. From what I have seen at a local swap meet, I would say the 3-in-1s might bring $20-25, but this is just a guess. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:29:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Air Aces WWI set Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Allan Wright wrote: > I've seen this in several used model catalogs. Anyone know what it in > the Revell set Air Aces of WWI? > > Which kits? Which Aces/Decals? Worth how much $$$? Al, I'm working from memory here, but I have a Revel "three-pack" in my to do box. There are three kits, and SE-5a, Fokker D.VII, and a SPAD XIII. I'm not sure if this is the same set you are talking about. I don't remmeber who the aces were/are, but the two allied planes have American schemes, and the Fokker is red with a red & white striped upper wing and LO! on the side (his name is sitting on the edge of my tounge... oh well, someone else will respond before I remember). At any rate, the U.S. planes were not your typical Eddie Rickenbacker, Frank Luke type machines (although one of them may have been a 94th Aero Squadron S.XIII). If you haven't heard by the end of the day, I will e-mail again after I get home. Regards, Joe boeke@bucknell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 16:03:43 EST From: Jeff Friedrichs 04-Mar-1996 1543 To: wwi Subject: Renault tank Message-ID: <9603042103.AA06636@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> >I believe Rhinebeck has one. Unfortunately, I don't know the town, >but it's in upper New York. Someone else can help here (and you know >who you are! ;-)) Hmmm, perhaps me.. Try http://www.mainstream.net/rhinebeck/new_images/tank.jpg Sorry, I don't know any of the background other than it is a 1918 Renault tank. They use is as part of their weekend show during the summer. If you happen to live in the northeast US, I am sure they would let you climb around it with a camera if you told them why.. For general information about Rhinebeck, check out http://www.mainstream.net/rhinebeck.html Cheers, jeff ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 53 ********************