WWI Digest 50 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: WWI digest 49 by Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 1705 2) RE: WWI digest 49 by The Flying Wrench 3) Ni-11 refs. by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 4) Re: Tee hee by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 5) Cranking your gear by The Flying Wrench 6) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) 7) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by Robert Woodbury 8) Eduard Albatros by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 9) Re: Eduard Albatros by Robert Woodbury 10) RE: Eduard Albatros by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 11) Re: Eduard Albatros by Robert Woodbury 12) Re: A tidbit by GRBroman@aol.com 13) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by GRBroman@aol.com 14) Re: A tidbit by GRBroman@aol.com 15) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: A tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: A tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 19) Rheinbeck? by "WILSON, TIMOTHY" 20) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) 21) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by The Flying Wrench ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:15:01 EST From: Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 1705 To: wwi Subject: RE: WWI digest 49 Message-ID: <9602292215.AA10980@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> Charles, The book > Nieuport Macchi 11 & 17 by Maurizio Longoni was bought from WWI Aero (http://users.aol.com/pkaeronaut/wwiaero.htm ). The problem is, it is written in Italian! So, I had to find someone else to read it and extract some parts for me! :-( >Windsock Vol. 9 No. 4 had an article on Italian Nieuport colors. Matt, or anyone else with this volume.. Can you check this issue and see if it helps me any? (I know, I should have a subscription, but I don't!) >The Flyin' Wrench reviews: > >The Italian book "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes" contains an >excellent four view, color plate of the Italian Nie.17. I posted a full >description of this book and the color plate referred to above in an eariler >post on this very subject. The Flyin' Wrench forgets (again! :-): Yes, you did post that, however, I need a N.11, *not* a N.17... Cheers! J. Jeffery Friedrichs Ask me about Young Eagles!! friedrichs@vmsspt.enet.dec.com Sundowner N24005, Luscombe NC71599 ASMEL-IA http://www.mainstream.com/~jeff Nashua, NH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:42:12 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: WWI digest 49 Message-ID: <199602292242.NAA18908@anchor> J. Jeffery Friedrichs gently reminds the ol' geezer: >The Flyin' Wrench forgets (again! :-): > >Yes, you did post that, however, I need a N.11, *not* a N.17... The Wrench leans forward in his rocking chair: Dagnab, smarty pants, whipper snapper, - MARTHA, (Wheeze) get me my cane; and my teeth, I'll show 'im who forgets around here! MAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRTHA, DAGNABIT! The Wrench CON (Wheeze, Cough) TACT! - I'm outta' here - I think. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:55:47 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Ni-11 refs. Message-ID: Jeff, Thanks for the note. You write: >The book >> Nieuport Macchi 11 & 17 by Maurizio Longoni > >was bought from WWI Aero (http://users.aol.com/pkaeronaut/wwiaero.htm ). > >The problem is, it is written in Italian! So, I had to find someone else to >read it and extract some parts for me! :-( > Well, I'm a WWI Aero Subscriber for a long time but missed seeing this one. Any chance a publisher's name or address is on this book, also what year was it published. Any other information is appreciated. >>Windsock Vol. 9 No. 4 had an article on Italian Nieuport colors. > >Matt, or anyone else with this volume.. > >Can you check this issue and see if it helps me any? (I know, I should have >a subscription, but I don't!) > I have this, I'll look and see what I can find. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 15:21:37 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: Tee hee Message-ID: <9601298256.AA825636123@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Re-reading an article in an old Scale Aircraft Modeler on the Polikarpov I-16, part of it made me chuckle: "...retractable gear which was operated by many turns on a cumbersome crank. This was not altogether popular with pilots as the required cranking motion was transmitted unconsciously from the hand on the crank handle to the hand holding the control column..." Same goes for the Grumman F4 Wildcat. I'd heard the same thing about the Wildcat slithering up into the sky on takeoff esp when flown by a newish pilot. ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:24:18 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cranking your gear Message-ID: <199603010024.PAA22295@anchor> At 03:45 PM 2/29/96 -0500, hsr@unx.dec.com wrote: >The Grumman F4F Wildcat was the same way. This was especially annoying because >it really didn't fly well with the landing gear down, so the pilot had to start >cranking as soon as the wheels cleared the deck. Worse the crank was directly >connected to the gears. When the wheels were fully retracted the cranks locked. >There was a release button. When this was pushed the gear would just fall out >spinning the crank. So to land the pilot had to grab the crank with one hand >push the release with the other hand and keep flying with the third hand. A >coworker of mine who flew these told me of one of his squadron mates that didn't >hold the crank when he pushed the button. The crank spun around and broke his >arm. The navy docked his pay for not following proper procedure. > >Howard The emergency retraction was a slow laborius process that required a tremendous amout of fortitude on the pilot's part to complete Reminds me of the emergency retract/extension system on the Beech 18/ SNB/ C-45. The emergency retract/extension crank was positioned at the right elbow of the pilot. The idea of the manual emergency retract/extension system was that, under normal operation, the copilot would perform the emergency extension or retraction operation. However, in a major pinch, such as the copilot having a heart attack, the pilot would then defy egrometric geometry and perform the operation solely with his right hand. Either operation took, as I remember, in the neighborhood of 120 turns to complete. The emergency retraction was a slow laborius process that required a tremendous amout of fortitude on the pilot's part to complete. The emergency extension was a 'freefall' system that will be described shortly. The reader would do well to remember that the Beech 18 was designed at a time when it was believed that 'big twins' needed two pilots to fly such aircraft, it flew before the Boeing Model 299. At rollout, it was believed that the 299 (later B-17) would be just too big for two pilots to handle. With that in mind, the Beech 18 was almost always flown with two pilots in the early days. By the time I got in the cockpit of the Beech, a BIG airplane was a C-5A! The C5A employed a copilot in case the pilot needed someone to read to him from the sacred book of the checklist! The operation I worked for had the idea that if the FAA mandated two pilot operation, like in the DC-3, we would put the office secretary in the right seat so when we taxied past the tower, two 'pilots' would be seen in the cockpit. In the Beech you were the lone ranger. Now I never had to perform an emergency gear retraction in the Beech other than a practice run to prove it was impossible; but I did have an actual failure once that required that I put the gear down manually. As I wrote previously, the Beech 18's landing gear was designed to 'freefall' and the proper procedure was for the pilot to disengage the motor gearing as the copilot held the crank firmly. Once the gear was disengaged, the copilot would gently lower the landing gear by unwinding the crank slowly, until at the end of the travel, he would crank a few positive turns to assure the gear locked in place. Now if the crank got away from the pilot/copilot at any point during the operation, the handle would continue to unwind on its own at about the same RPM as the propeller outside the pilots window. Woe begone to the copilot who was dumb enough to try to impede a runaway gear handle's progress as this would result in a broken hand or worse. During single pilot operation, the pilot was expected to perform this feat with his right hand as he cruised leisurly around the pattern and if at any point he lost control of the handle the result was a broken elbow, or worse. In any case, the result was a major OWIE for the injured party. Well when my turn came for the gear motor to fail, I was alone, in the pattern and late on the morning run. Not to mention I was 200 lbs over grossed.With sweat dripping from my forehead into my eyes from the San Juan heat, I decided to expidite matters by simply disengaging the gear from the motor gearing and letting gravity have its way with the landing gear. As I released the gear, I made like a shadow on the left side of the cockpit and the gear handle made like a stunt prop in a Charlie Chaplin movie. We had a small crew door cut into the pilots side and the door's handle left its impression in my side from my snuggling with it. Well the gear came down alright and it hit the stops with a tremendous jarring, thud, that rattled my teeth!. There was no need to look at the gear indicator lights, I could tell they were down and locked - that is if the landing gear was still attached. The landing was uneventful and after all the cargo was unloaded, I casually looked over at the maintenance guy and said. "Oh by the way, I had a bit of trouble with the gear you might take a look at it before the next flight". With that said, I went to lunch. The Flyin' Wrench CLEAR # 1, oil perssure coming up, CLEAR 2, oil pressure coming up, all guages green, tail wheel unlocked - I'm outta here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:28:54 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <096.02431346.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Matt, You aren't planning to superdetail the innards of a 1/76 FT are you? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 08:41:07 -0500 From: Robert Woodbury To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <3136FE73.35E7@per.dwr.csiro.au> Matt Bittner wrote: > > On 28 Feb 96 at 19:29, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > > > Rob, If you get a chance visit the Auto und Technic museum in Sinsheim, > > Germany and the museums in Duxford, and of course, the IWM in England. If > > your tastes run to WWI on the ground you might check the National Army Museum > > in London. All worth the time. One of the best collections of WW I armor is > > in Bovington Camp, Dorset. There is a neat aviation museum in Paris, I think > > around Orly, but I have no bloody idea how I got there :), perhaps someone > > else might know? Glen > > And if you do go to Bovington Camp, could you get interior shots (if > possible) of a Renault FT.17? That is, if they have one. TIA! > > Matt Sorry, I made a visit to Camp Bovington in '94 and yes I was really impressed with the items that they had on display. I really won't be visiting the U.K. on this trip. Finances are too tight. I'm keener to try and visit some of the less well known Continental museums to collect as many photo's as I can. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:50:29 -0700 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: Apparantly 'Rob' from Eduard phoned this morning (Thursday) and said the 1/48 Albatros D.V is in. Unfortunately I wasn't at work yet, so no price info yet. Look for a review (if you want to) in a week or so. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 14:13:02 -0500 From: Robert Woodbury To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <31374C3E.14D3@per.dwr.csiro.au> Mark K. Nelson teased: > > Apparantly 'Rob' from Eduard phoned this morning (Thursday) and said the > 1/48 Albatros D.V is in. Unfortunately I wasn't at work yet, so no price > info yet. > > Look for a review (if you want to) in a week or so. > I want one!!!!!!!!!! No doubt it'll be months before I see one here... :-( Please post the review when you can. Rob (from Oz) ------------------------------ Date: 01 Mar 96 17:04:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <199603010726.RAA07588@mimmon.mim.com.au> >I want one!!!!!!!!!! >No doubt it'll be months before I see one here... :-( >Please post the review when you can. >Rob (from Oz) Probably. But not always. The Hannover was here a few weeks before it arrived in North America. We can always hope they switched consignments too, so Oz gets enough of them to fill MY wish list ;-) It'd be a nice reward for listening to politicians for the last six weeks. Shane (in Oz) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 15:42:43 -0500 From: Robert Woodbury To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros Message-ID: <31376143.AD7@per.dwr.csiro.au> SDW@qld.mim.com.au complained: > > It'd be a nice reward for listening to politicians for the last six > weeks. > > Shane (in Oz) Oh, come on now- it's only been five weeks and it'll all be over tomorrow. There is a god. Rob. (I come from a land down under) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:49:13 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <960301074913_157301450@mail02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-29 07:26:18 EST, you write: >I have to agree; a Mark I would be preferable. How about some of the >French tanks? Or some decent WWI figures by DML? > > A 1/35 FT-17 would be great. I built a diorama with some friends for the Fort Lewis Museum of Patton's light tanks supporting the I Corps in 1918 using millions of little tiny Matchbox kits and Aifrfix and revell figures. It would have been way cool in 1/35 with the appropriate figures, oh well. I remember that Tauro had a series of 1/35 WW I figures. The only one I have is a German Tanker from the A7V tank. There are some resin kits and figures out there but the cost more than a used Volkswagen :( Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:50:19 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <960301075018_157301478@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-29 08:15:52 EST, you write: > >And if you do go to Bovington Camp, could you get interior shots (if >possible) of a Renault FT.17? That is, if they have one. TIA! > > I am working on a Museum Ordnance Special on the FT-17 (and the US 6 ton light tank) I have several photos here at my desk and I have the Tech manual, I plan to take some interior photos of a surviving example sometime this month. Should be pretty interesting. I know of surviving examples in Chantilly (sp?) and Bloomington, Il Fort Meade (?) and Fort Knox and Bovington and Saumer in Europe, any body know of any others? Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:50:01 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <960301075000_157301484@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-29 08:15:54 EST, you write: >> Should be a Mark V or Mark IV with an extension to the aft end of the tank >> to increase the width of trench it could cross. The Mark VIII Liberty or >> International tank never saw service in the Great War. BTW, there will be >an >> excellent article on the Mark VIII in the May issue of Museum Ordnance >> magazine. P.S. Is it plitically correct to talk about WWI tanks on the WW >I >> page?:) Glen > >It's more than politically correct, it's *required*!!! Especially if >it's in regard to 1/72nd scale!!! ;-) > > >Matt 1/72 is wonderful, but 1/35 is looking better as I get older :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:05:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199603010707.HAA29892@cso.com> On 29 Feb 96 at 19:31, LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP typed diligantly: > You aren't planning to superdetail the innards of a 1/76 FT are you? Yep. That's the thought. Scary, huh? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:17:54 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199603010719.HAA00130@cso.com> On 1 Mar 96 at 7:48, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > I am working on a Museum Ordnance Special on the FT-17 (and the US > 6 ton light tank) I have several photos here at my desk and I have > the Tech manual, I plan to take some interior photos of a surviving > example sometime this month. Should be pretty interesting. I know > of surviving examples in Chantilly (sp?) and Bloomington, Il Fort > Meade (?) and Fort Knox and Bovington and Saumer in Europe, any > body know of any others? Thanks, Glen Wow, sounds great! Let me know when it's done, and I'll definitely buy one. Just include interior shots, and all will be great! I believe Rhinebeck has one. Unfortunately, I don't know the town, but it's in upper New York. Someone else can help here (and you know who you are! ;-)) Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:20:07 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <199603010721.HAA00180@cso.com> On 1 Mar 96 at 7:49, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > 1/72 is wonderful, but 1/35 is looking better as I get older :) Glen Ah, going blind, are we? (HUGE :-)) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:20:07 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <199603010721.HAA00184@cso.com> On 1 Mar 96 at 7:48, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > A 1/35 FT-17 would be great. I built a diorama with some friends > for the Fort Lewis Museum of Patton's light tanks supporting the I > Corps in 1918 using millions of little tiny Matchbox kits and > Aifrfix and revell figures. It would have been way cool in 1/35 > with the appropriate figures, oh well. I remember that Tauro had a > series of 1/35 WW I figures. The only one I have is a German Tanker > from the A7V tank. There are some resin kits and figures out there > but the cost more than a used Volkswagen :( Glen Not sure of what mods you would have to do, but Tauro put out a Fiat 3000(?), which was an FT-17 clone. Since I have no references on the Fiat, I can't say for sure what (if any) differences there are. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 09:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "WILSON, TIMOTHY" To: wwi Subject: Rheinbeck? Message-ID: <01I1TI28VQ2C96YU81@psulias.psu.edu> M. Bittner wrote: >I believe Rhinebeck has one. Unfortunately, I don't know the town, >but it's in upper New York. Someone else can help here (and you know >who you are! ;-)) Rhinebeck is a town unto itself. The nearest large town is Kingston. Rhinebeck is located north of Poughkeepsie, c. 20-30 miles north. T. Wilson Matt Lt. George: Ice cream in Berlin in 15 days! Cpt. Blackadder: More like ice-cold in no-mans' land in 15 seconds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 09:22:08 -0600 From: djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <9603011521.AA21706@deimos.tx.iex.com> >I believe Rhinebeck has one. Unfortunately, I don't know the town, >but it's in upper New York. Someone else can help here (and you know >who you are! ;-)) Hmmm. That might be me. But being just a fellow from Texas I know it is in one of Dallas' northern most counties ;-) But that's all I know :-) Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 07:58:26 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199603011658.HAA25439@anchor> At 10:19 AM 3/1/96 -0500, Douglas R. Jones wrote: >I believe Rhinebeck has one. Unfortunately, I don't know the town, >but it's in upper New York. Someone else can help here (and you know >who you are! ;-)) The Wrench informs: The town is Rhinebeck New York and I'm the Flyin Wrench. (First one was easy, the last one was a little tough to figure out though). The Flyin Wrench. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 50 ********************