WWI Digest 49 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: McCudden's SE5 by The Flying Wrench 2) Thanks for the reply by The Flying Wrench 3) Re: A tidbit? No a TADbit by The Flying Wrench 4) Re: A tidbit by The Flying Wrench 5) Re: McCudden's SE5 by Jose Valenciano 6) Re: McCudden's SE5 by bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) 7) Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by Erik Pilawskii 8) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by Jose Valenciano 9) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by The Flying Wrench 11) Re: A tidbit by NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) Re: A tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by "Matt Bittner" 14) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) 16) Re: McCudden's SE5 by djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) 17) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by Erik Pilawskii 18) Rol.D.VIb by Erik Pilawskii 19) Re: Rol.D.VIb kits by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 20) Tee hee by "Matt Bittner" 21) Italian Nieuport-11 documentation by Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 1514 22) Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( by The Flying Wrench 23) Re: Tee hee by hsr@unx.dec.com 24) Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 25) Re: Tee hee by The Flying Wrench 26) Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation by "Matt Bittner" 27) Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation by The Flying Wrench 28) Re: Rol.D.VIb kits by Erik Pilawskii ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:51:40 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: McCudden's SE5 Message-ID: <199602290251.RAA11839@anchor> At 02:51 PM 2/28/96 -0500, Erik Pilawskii wrote: > Greetings All 'Round, > > Here I am ready to start one of my ESCI SE5 kits (what scale?!? damn >you, sir!), and it occurred to me to do J.McCudden's a/c. But then the >question arose: > What is the current wisdom on the correct color for the nose/fin/trim on >McCudden's SE5 (dang, forgot the ser.no.)? I counted my reference sources >and they came out evenly at 8:Red, 8:Blue (what shade? I've no idea). >...Geez, I hope 'blue'-- looks awfully neat with (green)PC10! The Wrench wonders? Can anyone give a list of the currently available SE5/5a kits available especially in 1/48 and larger as i remeber the ESCI is 1/72. As I remember Lindbergh makes a 1/48 scale kit, any comments on this release? The SE is one of the common examples missing from my collection. I knew I shouldn't have bought that 5 imperial gallon can of war surplus PC-10 now I'll have to build a small scale RAF to use it all up. Thanks for the output CLEAR PROP! - I'm outta' here The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:51:43 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: Thanks for the reply Message-ID: <199602290251.RAA11843@anchor> The Wrench gratefully acknowledges: Thanks one and all for your responses to my request for conformation on my posts. I think my server is OK again as I quit receiving my posts back. So its back to normal for now. Just to note: My original post about the airplane in the store, was not intended to go out. I was working on the rough draft when my server started to do strange things. I left the post open but minimized it in my edition of the Eudora mailer and when I checked the mail presto! It mailed out all open posts. So my apologies for cluttering up your disk. Thanks for your patience and I hope you enjoyed the final draft. By the way, I'm going back to pick up the Roland D.VIb this weeknd from his cellar. The old coot says it has to go to make room for the new arcade. Thanks again Wrench CONTACT! - I'm outta here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:51:45 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A tidbit? No a TADbit Message-ID: <199602290251.RAA11845@anchor> At 01:04 PM 2/28/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >Just saw a "pre-release" flyer from MMD. > >A 1/35th Tadpoll (Mark VIII?) by Emhar. Interesting. The Wrench wonders? Tadpoll? is that a small poll? I guess a 1/35 scale poll would qualify as a 'tadpoll'. By the way, how did Pat Buchanan and Steve Forbs come out in the last tadpoll anyway? Just funnin' ya' bub The Wrench V1, V2, - GEAR UP! FLAPS UP!, - I'm outta here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:04:29 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <199602290304.SAA12430@anchor> At 09:27 PM 2/28/96 -0500, Jose Valenciano wrote: > >St. Chamond, Schneider, St. Chamond, Schneider, St. Chamond, Schneider >Holt Tractor, Daimler AC, Holt Tractor, Daimler AC, Holt Tractor.... TheWrench tries to recall: I used to know a member of the Holt family and as I remember Holt originally developed the Caterpillar line of equipment around the turn of the century. Later there was a split and Holt went a their own direction. It was an interesting story that has now dimmed with the years since my exit from the diesel equipment business. Can anyone refresh my memory? I Look forward to hearing the story again. The Wrench 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, We have ignition! It looks good! - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:52:00 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: McCudden's SE5 Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, The Flying Wrench wrote: > The Wrench wonders? > > Can anyone give a list of the currently available SE5/5a kits available > especially in 1/48 and larger as i remeber the ESCI is 1/72. As I remember > Lindbergh makes a 1/48 scale kit, any comments on this release? The SE is > one of the common examples missing from my collection. Two kits in 1/48 range. One by Monogram the other by Lindberg. the former has nice surface detail, wing surface nicely reproduced. But the latter is recommended, the former being slightly off 1/48. The latter would need some things refined though. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:23:51 -0800 From: bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: McCudden's SE5 Message-ID: <199602290423.AA28587@ednet1.orednet.org> >The Wrench wonders? > >Can anyone give a list of the currently available SE5/5a kits available >especially in 1/48 and larger as i remeber the ESCI is 1/72. Sure, the list is: End of list. That's it, nada! Although the Lindberg 1/48 was in production a few years back and there may still be a few on store shelves. And, the Revell and Esci 1/72nd editions aren't that tough to find at pretty modest prices. Those three kits and the old Aurora/Mongram 1/46ish kit and the Smer/Merit/Altiplast/Marusan/etc., etc. knock offs of the Aurora SE 5 are the only kits that come readily to mind. The remarkable thing about the Lindberg kit is that it dates to at least 1957, maybe a year or two earlier, and it's -still- a decent kit. Oops, two more old SE.5 kits just sprang to mind - Renwall did an Aeroskin 1/72nd edition and Hasegawa did a 1/8th multimedia "Museum" kit. The Renwall's hardly worth having while the Hasegawa would be, well, let's just say it would be -very- expensive. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - "The only duty we owe to history is to rewrite it." -Oscar Wilde- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: Uuurrfffff, I say, I wonder who typed "McCudden" all over my nice post there?!? Most obviously, I had *meant* it to say BISHOP, in his inevitable A'8936. "McCudden"?!!? Who on earth is that? [He says slinking off to the corner of the room in disgrace, looking neither to the left nor the right in fear of witnessing the crowd of pursed and disapproving faces. And, all the while, contemplating his punishment of building and correcting the Merlin Pfalz....] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:25:15 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Erik Pilawskii wrote: > Uuurrfffff, > > I say, I wonder who typed "McCudden" all over my nice post there?!? > Most obviously, I had *meant* it to say BISHOP, in his inevitable A'8936. > "McCudden"?!!? Who on earth is that? That explains all the chatter about blue trimmings on the front end! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:30:31 -0800 From: bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: <199602290630.AA00991@ednet1.orednet.org> > > Uuurrfffff, > > I say, I wonder who typed "McCudden" all over my nice post there?!? >Most obviously, I had *meant* it to say BISHOP, in his inevitable A'8936. > "McCudden"?!!? Who on earth is that? > >[He says slinking off to the corner of the room in disgrace, looking >neither to the left nor the right in fear of witnessing the crowd of >pursed and disapproving faces. And, all the while, contemplating his >punishment of building and correcting the Merlin Pfalz....] > Tee hee! Having done that a few times me self, you have my sympathies. (It's a bitch to grow old - but it beats the hell outa the only other alternative!) Just as well, McCudden I can't help ya' on but as to Billy (tell a good story and get the V.C.) Bishop, I have at hand the Fall '95 issue of Over the Front which sez, "The metal engine panels were blue, with a white outline which extended along the top of the wing/fuselage joint and around the foot step. It also had a blue diagonal band outlined in white around the fuselage, just forward of the tail plane." And, later, "A'8936 which Bishop flew with No. 60 Squadron. It was finished in PC10 on all upper surfaces, and was additionally marked with white-outlined blue areas on the nose panels, fin, and a diagonal band around the fuselage. The wheel covers were probably blue." Note that this aircraft was apparently an SE.5, -not- an SE.5a. Perhaps the confusion arises because Keith Caldwell, the 'A' flight commander flew A'8898 which was marked in an identical manner to Bishop's A'8936 but with -red- rather than -blue- markings. Except for the conclusion about Billy B's aircraft being an SE.5 rather than an SE.5a, I've not done any independent research to confirm these conclusions but, for what it's worth, the Fall, '95 issue of O'er the Front is probably the -latest- word on this particular subject. Actually, the aircraft markings I'm looking for are those of a Soldat Louis Honore' Martin. How did this guy become an 'ace' and still remain a lowly 'soldat' (i.e. buck private)? There's gotta be a wonderful story behind this guy (some wild nights in the town? Told his CO -exactly- where he could put it? Some fateful indiscretion with the underage daughter of the brigadier?) but I've never been able to find it. Soldat Martin remains merely a name on the lists. If any one knows anything about Messr Martin, I'd love to hear it! Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - "The only duty we owe to history is to rewrite it." -Oscar Wilde- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:17:00 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: <199602290717.WAA22694@anchor> The Flying Wrench wants to know: What th' hell is this? ~^ And where did it come from? Can you do an umlaut or that French, emphasis thingy? How about a spll checker for Eudora? The Flyin' Wrench AUS, Aus, FREI, Frei, - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:15:27 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <096.02383393.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I have to agree; a Mark I would be preferable. How about some of the French tanks? Or some decent WWI figures by DML? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 06:59:05 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <199602290700.HAA14822@cso.com> On 28 Feb 96 at 20:06, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > Should be a Mark V or Mark IV with an extension to the aft end of the tank > to increase the width of trench it could cross. The Mark VIII Liberty or > International tank never saw service in the Great War. BTW, there will be an > excellent article on the Mark VIII in the May issue of Museum Ordnance > magazine. P.S. Is it plitically correct to talk about WWI tanks on the WW I > page?:) Glen It's more than politically correct, it's *required*!!! Especially if it's in regard to 1/72nd scale!!! ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 06:59:05 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199602290700.HAA14826@cso.com> On 28 Feb 96 at 19:29, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > Rob, If you get a chance visit the Auto und Technic museum in Sinsheim, > Germany and the museums in Duxford, and of course, the IWM in England. If > your tastes run to WWI on the ground you might check the National Army Museum > in London. All worth the time. One of the best collections of WW I armor is > in Bovington Camp, Dorset. There is a neat aviation museum in Paris, I think > around Orly, but I have no bloody idea how I got there :), perhaps someone > else might know? Glen And if you do go to Bovington Camp, could you get interior shots (if possible) of a Renault FT.17? That is, if they have one. TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:09:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: <199602290710.HAA14922@cso.com> On 29 Feb 96 at 0:42, Erik Pilawskii typed diligantly: > [He says slinking off to the corner of the room in disgrace, looking > neither to the left nor the right in fear of witnessing the crowd of > pursed and disapproving faces. And, all the while, contemplating his > punishment of building and correcting the Merlin Pfalz....] Ah, but if you're talking about the Pfalz Dr.I, then you won't have as much work as the other Merlin thingies. The Dr.I was one of their better efforts - though that's not saying much! ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 09:40:23 EST From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:00:11 Bill Shatzer wrote: >In Jolly Olde England: >The Shuttleworth Collection at Old Warden >The RAF Museum at Hendon >The Imperial War Museum at Lambeth (I think that's the location - near > London, in any case. >The Science Museum at South Kennsington (London, again) >Historic Aircraft Museum at Southend on Sea. but recommended by others> >Wycombe Air Park at Booker. Let me put in a plug for the branch of the Imperial War Museum at Duxford. Very nice collection, which they keep in flying condition. I was there 4 July 1992, when they were doing a tribute to the USAAF 50th anniversary of arriving in England. As we browsed the hangars, we saw the space for the S.E.5a was empty; they were flying it that day! Duxford is in East Anglia, near Cambridge. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:30:04 -0600 From: djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: McCudden's SE5 Message-ID: <9602291629.AA07564@deimos.tx.iex.com> >The Wrench wonders? > >Can anyone give a list of the currently available SE5/5a kits available >especially in 1/48 and larger as i remeber the ESCI is 1/72. As I remember Yup! Larger IS better! Flair has a 1/6 and Proctor a 1/4 (the REAL 1/4). The Flair is affordable the Proctor is for those who are not feeding kids and mortgages and ...and.....and......! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: wwi Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: > The Flying Wrench wants to know: > > What th' hell is this? ~^ And where did it come from? Can you do an umlaut > or that French, emphasis thingy? How about a spll checker for Eudora? > The " ~ " character, when used in a face-o-gram (as above) indicates "tears". Usually these are the result of remarkable poltroonishness or duncity in posting, and are cause for great alarm or embarrassment. How's that? Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "The debacle [Gallipoli] was not so much the result of Kitchener and Churchill being incompetent-- rather, that that were appalling morons...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: Rol.D.VIb Message-ID: Greetings, I just heard from ol' Av.Usk that my Czechmaster Resin Roland D.VIb is on the way! The 'word on the street' is that this kit is one of their very best, a boast that I find hard to imagine given that everything else I've built of theirs made my mouth water! If this kit (a favorite machine of mine, too!) is indeed better still, I think I'll pass out.... So, when it arrives it goes straight onto my desk to be built. I think I might post a review of the thing, as well. OTH, I *know* I'm going to pass out when I get my Visa bill next month!.... Danged Expensive Resins [grumble], Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I find it most remarkable, indeed-- and a scathing indictment of our Civilization-- that the Lads in France did not mutiny and over-throw the military leadership. The mere idea of corpulent, doltish, white-powder- faced Generals directing the mass murder of innocents from the luxury of their remote chateaux is quite enough to cause one to call into question the need for the continuing existence of the Human Race...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:16:18 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rol.D.VIb kits Message-ID: Erik writes: > > I just heard from ol' Av.Usk that my Czechmaster Resin Roland D.VIb is >on the way! The 'word on the street' is that this kit is one of their >very best, a boast that I find hard to imagine given that everything else >I've built of theirs made my mouth water! If this kit (a favorite machine >of mine, too!) is indeed better still, I think I'll pass out.... > So, when it arrives it goes straight onto my desk to be built. I think >I might post a review of the thing, as well. > OTH, I *know* I'm going to pass out when I get my Visa bill next month!.... > I will be very curious to know how the pieces of your resin kit compare with those of the Pegasus kit. My hunch is that the former gave rise to the latter. I have heard from others who have dealt with Av. Usk that they are able to obtain examples of resin kits that were originally released nearly 10 years ago (the Siemens-Schuckert D-III is an example). I found this most interesting. So Erik, once you get your kit I hope that you will be able to give us a report on this. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:13:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Tee hee Message-ID: <199602291414.OAA20266@cso.com> Re-reading an article in an old Scale Aircraft Modeler on the Polikarpov I-16, part of it made me chuckle: "...retractable gear which was operated by many turns on a cumbersome crank. This was not altogether popular with pilots as the required cranking motion was transmitted unconsciously from the hand on the crank handle to the hand holding the control column..." Hee hee. That would be a great site. Watching an I-16 "undulating" on take off because the pilot was cranking the gear up with "both" hands. Hee hee. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 15:24:27 EST From: Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 1514 To: wwi Subject: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation Message-ID: <9602292024.AA05217@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> Hi All, Well, after all of the discussions here about color schemes and such, I have decided that I really need better documentation on the color scheme than I have. In particular, I need a good color picture/drawing or 3 view. Here is my current bibliography: Nieuport Macchi 11 & 17 by Maurizio Longoni Nieuport Fighters by JM Bruce (published by Windsock) Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by JM Bruce Windsock Vol 5 No. 3, Vol 6, No 6 So, do any of you have anything more?? I am particularly interested in the early Italian Nieuports with the red/white/green cowl, red/"natural"/green under the wings, and stripes on the fuse, not roundels (they are a pain to paint!) I would be eteranally grateful for any leads/pictures. Thanks! jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:43:51 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Shame....SHAME..... <:~^( Message-ID: <199602292043.LAA15022@anchor> At 02:26 PM 2/29/96 -0500, Erik Pilawskii wrote: >> The Flying Wrench wants to know: >> >> What th' hell is this? ~^ And where did it come from? Can you do an umlaut >> or that French, emphasis thingy? How about a spll checker for Eudora? >> >The " ~ " character, when used in a face-o-gram (as above) indicates >"tears". Usually these are the result of remarkable poltroonishness or >duncity in posting, and are cause for great alarm or embarrassment. Oh ho now I see '~' + this '^' = '~^' I should have known when I, saw '<' and ':' and the obvious '('. How about ~^~ ? Now about thet French thingy . . . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And now for somthing totally different ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1915 - "During some patrol work, it became necessary to change a propeller blade. This meant that the machine must descend, but to avoid loss of time two of the crew volunteered to carry out the work in the air. At a height of 2,000 feet they completed their task, climbing out on the bracket which carried the propeller shafting." Transcribed from: 'A History Of The First World War - The Campaign In The Air' This is the conversation that actually transpired in the cockpit of that three man, airplane. No sound is heard other than the wind whistling through the wires. The Pilot (In a normal, well modulated, voice): 'Damn, the propeller broke again. OK! I need two volunteers to climb out on that flimsey bracket and fix it, - OR - we can risk a fiery death in a crash, - OR - if we're lucky, residency in a German prison camp for the duration. Now everyone who is not volunteering - FALL OUT!'. The crewmembers: 'Grumble, Grumble, Grumble, Mumbling, Damn Taiwanese propellers'. Pilot: OK MEN! I'm glad to hear your with me on this one. Now grab that spare propeller and get out there! - And hurry, we don't wan't to lose any time on this one or we'll be late for the soiree tonight. Another reeling moment from World War One. The Flyin' Wrench PRIMER? Three shots, in and locked. MAGS? - HOT! CONTACT! - I'm outta' here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 15:40:12 -0500 From: hsr@unx.dec.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Tee hee Message-ID: <9602292040.AA04200@velantia.unx.dec.com> > "...retractable gear which was operated by many turns on a > cumbersome crank. This was not altogether popular with pilots as the > required cranking motion was transmitted unconsciously from the hand > on the crank handle to the hand holding the control column..." > > Hee hee. That would be a great site. Watching an I-16 "undulating" > on take off because the pilot was cranking the gear up with "both" > hands. Hee hee. The Grumman F4F Wildcat was the same way. This was especially annoying because it really didn't fly well with the landing gear down, so the pilot had to start cranking as soon as the wheels cleared the deck. Worse the crank was directly connected to the gears. When the wheels were fully retracted the cranks locked. There was a release button. When this was pushed the gear would just fall out spinning the crank. So to land the pilot had to grab the crank with one hand push the release with the other hand and keep flying with the third hand. A coworker of mine who flew these told me of one of his squadron mates that didn't hold the crank when he pushed the button. The crank spun around and broke his arm. The navy docked his pay for not following proper procedure. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:12:15 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation Message-ID: Jeff, you wrote: >Here is my current bibliography: > > Nieuport Macchi 11 & 17 by Maurizio Longoni I have the rest but where does the Longoni book come from ??? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > Nieuport Fighters by JM Bruce (published by Windsock) > Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by JM Bruce > Windsock Vol 5 No. 3, Vol 6, No 6 > >So, do any of you have anything more?? I am particularly interested in >the early Italian Nieuports with the red/white/green cowl, red/"natural"/green >under the wings, and stripes on the fuse, not roundels (they are a pain to >paint!) > >I would be eteranally grateful for any leads/pictures. > >Thanks! >jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:07:14 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tee hee Message-ID: <199602292107.MAA15734@anchor> At 03:17 PM 2/29/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >Re-reading an article in an old Scale Aircraft Modeler on the >Polikarpov I-16, part of it made me chuckle: > >"...retractable gear which was operated by many turns on a >cumbersome crank. This was not altogether popular with pilots as the >required cranking motion was transmitted unconsciously from the hand >on the crank handle to the hand holding the control column..." > >Hee hee. That would be a great site. Watching an I-16 "undulating" >on take off because the pilot was cranking the gear up with "both" >hands. Hee hee. The Wrench remembers: Interesting, very interesting: My uncle, whose naval aviation career spanned from F4Bs in the mid 30's to jet fighters in the sixties, flew the F4F (among many others) in WWII. I well remember the story he told me of the hand cranked gear of the 'Wildcat'. He said you could always tell when someone had just transitioned into the little Grumman, as the airplane would be seen 'porpoising' on take off, due to the pilot cranking up the gear. He further related that after some experience was gained in the Wildcat, the porpising effect would no longer be exhibited by the familiarized pilot. The Wrench SWITCH OFF, Switch off, GIVE ME THREE SHOTS OF PRIME, Primed, CRANK INSERTED, whreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, SWITCH ON, CONTACT! - I'm outta' here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:04:19 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation Message-ID: <199602291505.PAA20921@cso.com> On 29 Feb 96 at 15:33, Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 typed diligantly: > So, do any of you have anything more?? I am particularly interested in > the early Italian Nieuports with the red/white/green cowl, red/"natural"/green > under the wings, and stripes on the fuse, not roundels (they are a pain to > paint!) Windsock Vol. 9 No. 4 had an article on Italian Nieuport colors. Unfortunately, that's the only difference I have compared to yours. There were a few articles in C&CI and WW1 Aero that came up when I queried my database, but they weren't Italian specific, nor were they different from what you already mentioned. The best all around single seater Nieuport references are the Windsock Specials. Does anyone have any Americal Italian decals? These might help him out, though a tad small for what he's working on. ;-) Sometimes you can't beat the research that Americal has done. Sorry this is so short. :-( Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:29:47 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Italian Nieuport-11 documentation Message-ID: <199602292129.MAA16400@anchor> At 03:33 PM 2/29/96 -0500, Jeff Friedrichs 29-Feb-1996 1514 wrote: >Hi All, > >Well, after all of the discussions here about color schemes and such, I have >decided that I really need better documentation on the color scheme than I >have. In particular, I need a good color picture/drawing or 3 view. > >Here is my current bibliography: > > Nieuport Macchi 11 & 17 by Maurizio Longoni > Nieuport Fighters by JM Bruce (published by Windsock) > Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by JM Bruce > Windsock Vol 5 No. 3, Vol 6, No 6 > >So, do any of you have anything more?? I am particularly interested in >the early Italian Nieuports with the red/white/green cowl, red/"natural"/green >under the wings, and stripes on the fuse, not roundels (they are a pain to >paint!) > >I would be eteranally grateful for any leads/pictures. The Flyin' Wrench reviews: The Italian book "Color Profiles of World War I Combat Planes" contains an excellent four view, color plate of the Italian Nie.17. I posted a full description of this book and the color plate referred to above in an eariler post on this very subject. Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: wwi Subject: Re: Rol.D.VIb kits Message-ID: > I will be very curious to know how the pieces of your resin kit > compare with those of the Pegasus kit. My hunch is that the former gave > rise to the latter. I have heard from others who have dealt with Av. Usk > that they are able to obtain examples of resin kits that were originally > released nearly 10 years ago (the Siemens-Schuckert D-III is an example). > I found this most interesting. So Erik, once you get your kit I hope that > you will be able to give us a report on this. OK, then-- a review is in order. Agreed, many of these kits *do* in fact come from these Czechmaster efforts, though sadly they do NOT live up to the former's quality of detail.... Should reach me end of this week, 1st of next. Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I find it most remarkable, indeed-- and a scathing indictment of our Civilization-- that the Lads in France did not mutiny and over-throw the military leadership. The mere idea of corpulent, doltish, white-powder- faced Generals directing the mass murder of innocents from the luxury of their remote chateaux is quite enough to cause one to call into question the need for the continuing existence of the Human Race...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 49 ********************