WWI Digest 48 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) 2) Is anyone out there recieving my posts? by The Flying Wrench 3) Re: Fabric planes and alaska by The Flying Wrench 4) RE: Is anyone out there recieving my pos by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by Robert Woodbury 6) An improved airplane story by The Flying Wrench 7) Re: Potential new 1/48th kits... by bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) 8) Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 9) Re[2]: Potential new 1/48th kits... by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 10) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 11) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 12) A tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 13) McCudden's SE5 by Erik Pilawskii 14) Re: Potential new 1/48th kits... by "Joseph R. Boeke" 15) New Fokker Dr.1 skeleton by SCLexicat@aol.com 16) Novo Vimy by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum by GRBroman@aol.com 18) Re: A tidbit by GRBroman@aol.com 19) Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 20) Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? by "Gerald P. McOsker" 21) Re: A tidbit by Jose Valenciano 22) Re: A tidbit by "WILSON, TIMOTHY" 23) Re: A tidbit by Jose Valenciano 24) Re: A tidbit by Jose Valenciano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:00:11 -0800 From: bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199602280500.AA08879@ednet1.orednet.org> Rob wrote: > >Hi Guys, >Whilst I'm at it, does anyone have any recomendations as to other Air >Museums that should be visited whilst in Europe? Sshhh, don't spread >this around but I'm interested in Modern Aircraft too (post WWII). > In Jolly Olde England: The Shuttleworth Collection at Old Warden The RAF Museum at Hendon The Imperial War Museum at Lambeth (I think that's the location - near London, in any case. The Science Museum at South Kennsington (London, again) Historic Aircraft Museum at Southend on Sea. Wycombe Air Park at Booker. This is from a trip about 10+ years ago - I'd assume they're still there in the same location but, as they say, phone ahead. Cheers -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - "The only duty we owe to history is to rewrite it." -Oscar Wilde- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:38:11 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? Message-ID: <199602280438.TAA17910@anchor> The Wrench requests: I just sent a post with a story. But my server seems to be acting up again. Suddenly all my post are being returned as I requested about a month ago, up until now though only abouty one in twenty were returned. I'm not sure what the deal is, but I would like to know if my posts are getting through. Thanks for the input. The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:21:30 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: gcl@aonline.com Subject: Re: Fabric planes and alaska Message-ID: <199602280421.TAA17340@anchor> >As you may have seen in my posts, I also fly full scale planes. I have >a 1946 Luscombe 8-A and a Beech Sundowner (the "family plane"). I also >always keep my eyes open for that mythical "plane in a barn". I still >dream of finding a Curtiss Jenny someplace.. The Wrench pulls up a chair in front of the fire: Now for my favorite 'airplane in a barn story'. Of couse this story is completely true so do not doubt a word of it. The names and locations are absent because there are three more airplanes waiting to be picked up there. The story goes like this: An avid aircraft collector was traveling across North-central Texas one, hot, day in the early 1960s. The collector wasn't actively looking for aircraft to buy, he was simply driving across Texas on an extended business trip. Now many cars of that time were not air conditioned and the collector's car was no exception. The road was dusty and it was 100 degrees in the shade that day. As the collector drove through yet another small Texas town, he decided to stop and buy a soda to cool off. Slowing down for a stop sign, the collector noticed an ancient grocery store on the main street of the small, hot, sleepy, Texas town he was passing through. The oppressive heat was rolling across Texas in waves that day, as the collector pulled up to the store and stepped from the car. Wiping the sweat from his forehead, the collector opened the door of the grocery and stepped into the grocery store's cool dark interior. After a moment his eyes adjusted and he could see a counter with several stools in front of it. The collector could see that this was one of those old soda shop and grocery combination stores that were so common in the 1920s. An old gentleman sat behind the store's soda counter reading a newspaper. The collector stepped up to the counter and asked for a soda which the grocer supplied without a word. The collector put a quarter on the counter and sat down on the stool, to enjoy his cool drink as his eyes became fully accustomed to the dim light of the store from the late afternoon, Texas sun. The collector sat quietly and began to drink the iced soda until finally, as the he finished the soda, he turned the soda bottle up to finish the last few swigs of liquid. Tipping his head back the collector suddenly realized he was looking straight up at a Fokker D.VII suspended from the ceiling along with several slow-turning ceiling fans . The collector didn't make any motions other than continuing his scan around the store as he slowly set the empty soda bottle on the counter top in front of the old grocer. Now the collector was a crafty individual and he did not want to make any sudden overtures to the grocer; so the he turned to the old gent and simply ordered a another soda. With fresh soda in hand he struck up a conversation with the grocer. The collector made small talk, asking the grocer about the store, how long he had owned it and so forth. Before long, the collector learned the old gent behind the counter was in fact the store owner and that he had bought the place twenty years before from the original owner. After discussing the store and business in general for a while longer, the collector finally turned the conversation to the Fokker hanging form the ceiling. Jerking his thumb toward the ceiling he asked the grocer "Where the heck did that ol' plane come from?" The grocer replied that the original owner or perhaps one of his friends (he wasn't sure) had brought the plane back form Germany shortly after WWI. Exactly how this was accomplished, the grocer did not know; all he really knew was that the plane was already hanging from the ceiling when he bought the store. The collector took another long, slow, pull from the soda bottle. Still looking up at the Fokker he asked the grocer "How much d'ya reckon a thing like that is worth?" To which the grocer replied "Hell I don't know, but I'd give it to the first person who would take it down and move it outta' here." With the smoothness of a dose of castor oil on constipation the collector quickly made a deal with the grocer that he would in fact remove the junk plane hanging from the ceiling at no cost to the grocer! The collector told the grocer he was pretty sure he could probably find some use for the wood and metal pieces he could salvage from it. Maybe, just maybe he might even be able to make a few bucks selling some of the parts, surely that would at least cover some of the expense of removing it from the store's ceiling. The grocer agreed to the collectors proposition with the condition that said aeroplane would be removed from the ceiling within a fortnight or the deal was off. This condition was probably given, with the grocer figuring that even if the city boy reneged on his acquisition because of the effort involved, at least that danged aeroplane would now be within easy reach for scrapping. Business destination now completely forgotten, the collector quickly drove to a nearby, town where he finally found a trailer for rent or sale as none were available in the grocer's town. That evening, with a trailer in tow, several hundred feet of rope, and some new tools, the collector returned to the store and enlisted some local help to rope the Fokker down from its perch below the store's ceiling. The next day the collector began disassembly of the Fokker and within aday or so, the Fokker was safely strapped on the trailer and ready to go. As the collector was getting in his car to head down the road, he heard the grocer remark to one of the locals. "God, I never thought I'd get ridda' that piece a' junk!" No, this did not happen to me or anyone I know - Unfortunately - just remeber it's all true, every word of it. I guess the moral is, 'one man's trash is . . . .' never mind, you know the rest of the story. The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 96 18:02:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Is anyone out there recieving my pos Message-ID: <199602280823.SAA20953@mimmon.mim.com.au> hi wrench. Gotcha. The time below is Australian Eastern Standard time, 18 hours ahead of your east coast so what, 21 ahead of Alaska? ---------- From: wwi@MIMHOLD{MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu} Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 1996 17:54 To: wwi@MIMHOLD (Multiple recipients of list){MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu}; sdw Subject: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? The Wrench requests: I just sent a post with a story. But my server seems to be acting up again. Suddenly all my post are being returned as I requested about a month ago, up until now though only abouty one in twenty were returned. I'm not sure what the deal is, but I would like to know if my posts are getting through. Thanks for the input. The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:18:42 -0500 From: Robert Woodbury To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <3134C6B2.5949@per.dwr.csiro.au> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Rob wrote: > > > >Hi Guys, > > >Whilst I'm at it, does anyone have any recomendations as to other Air > >Museums that should be visited whilst in Europe? Sshhh, don't spread > >this around but I'm interested in Modern Aircraft too (post WWII). > > > > In Jolly Olde England: > Oops, should have said outside of the UK, I was there in '94, i.e. Italy, Germany, France etc Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:22:16 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: An improved airplane story Message-ID: <199602280822.XAA06554@anchor> Jeff Friedrichs wrote: >As you may have seen in my posts, I also fly full scale planes. I have >a 1946 Luscombe 8-A and a Beech Sundowner (the "family plane"). I also >always keep my eyes open for that mythical "plane in a barn". I still >dream of finding a Curtiss Jenny someplace.. The Wrench pulls up a chair in front of the old stove on a cold winters eve: Now I happen to have a favorite 'airplane in a barn story'. 'Course this story is completely true, so there is no reason to doubt a word of it. The names and locations are absent because there are three more airplanes waiting to be picked up there. The story goes like this: An avid aircraft collector was traveling across North Central Texas one, hot, day in the early 1960s. The collector wasn't actively looking for aircraft to buy, he was simply driving across Texas on an extended business trip. Now many cars of that time were not air conditioned and the collector's car was no exception. The road was dusty and it was 100 degrees in the shade that day. As the he drove through yet another small Texas town, the collector decided to stop and buy a soda to cool off. Slowing down for a stop sign, he noticed an ancient grocery store on the main street of the small, hot, sleepy, Texas town he was passing through. The oppressive heat was rolling across Texas in waves that day, as he pulled up to the store and stepped from the car. Wiping the sweat from his forehead with a grimy handkerchief, he grasped the handle of the grocery's old screen door. The screen door creaked and groaned in protest of being disturbed as the collector stepped into the store's relatively cool, dark, interior. At first, with his eyes still dazzled from the bright, Texas, sunlight, he was blind, but his nose immediately picked up the musty odor of the old store. After a moment inside, his eyes adjusted and he could see a scarred wooden counter top with several vinyl-topped stools affixed to the floor in front of it. He supposed that this was one of those old soda shop and grocery store combinations that were so common in the 1920s; the age of the advertisements for wares posted on the walls confirmed his assumption. Other than an old gentleman sitting behind the store's soda counter reading a newspaper, the store was empty. He stepped up to the counter and asked for a soda which the grocer supplied without a word. The collector put a quarter on the counter and sat down on the stool, to enjoy his rapidly warming drink. No one spoke and the store was still other than a Regulator clock on the far wall ticking out its death watch. The collector sat and sipped his soda until time finally allowed his eyes to become fully accustomed to the dim light of the late afternoon, Texas sun filtering through the dirty window glass in the front of the store. He sat quietly in the dim dusty light and drank his soda until finally he turned the soda bottle bottom up to finish the last few swigs of the now tepid liquid. Tipping his head back, the collector suddenly realized he was looking straight up at a Fokker D.VII suspended from the ceiling along with several slow-turning ceiling fans. The fact that the Fokker was in good shape was clearly evident through the layers of Texas that had dusted it over the years. The collector didn't make any motion other than continuing his scan around the store as he slowly set the empty soda bottle on the scarred counter top in front of the grocer. Now the collector was a crafty individual, 'hoss trader' is what many of his business acquaintances called him and he liked the term. He knew better than to make any sudden overtures that would alert the grocer to his desires; so he turned to the old gent and simply ordered a another soda. With a fresh, temporarily cold, soda in his hand he struck up a conversation with the grocer. The collector made small talk, asking the grocer about the store, how long he had owned it and so forth. Before long, the grocer opened up and the collector learned the old gent behind the counter was in fact the store owner and that he had bought the place some twenty odd years before from its original owner. After discussing the store, the hot weather, and business in general for a while longer, the collector finally turned the conversation to the Fokker hanging form the ceiling. Jerking his thumb over his shoulder, toward the ceiling, he asked the grocer "Where the heck did that ol' plane come from?" The grocer replied that the original owner or perhaps one of his friends (he wasn't sure) had brought the plane back form Germany shortly after WWI. Exactly how this was accomplished, the grocer did not know; all he really knew was that the plane was already hanging from the ceiling when he bought the store. The collector took another long, slow, pull from the soda bottle. Finally, turning around and looking up at the Fokker, he asked the grocer "How much d'ya reckon an ol' thing like that is worth?" To which the grocer replied "Hell I don't know, but I'd give it to the first person who would take it down and move it outta' here." Well, the collector could hardly believe his ears and with the smoothness of a dose of castor oil on constipation, he quickly made a deal with the grocer. The deal was struck that he would remove the old plane hanging from the ceiling at no cost to the grocer! He assured the grocer that he was pretty sure he could probably find some use for the wood and metal pieces salvaged from it. Maybe, just maybe he might even be able to make a few bucks selling some of the parts, surely that would at least cover some of the expense of removing it from the store's ceiling. The grocer agreed to the collector's proposition with the condition that said aeroplane would be removed from the ceiling within a fortnight or the deal was off. This condition was probably given, with the grocer figuring that if the city boy reneged on his acquisition, because of the effort involved in removal, at least that danged aeroplane would now be within easy reach for scrapping. With his business destination now completely forgotten, the collector searched the town for a suitable trailer for the Fokker. His search revealed that although there were a number of trailers in the town, none were for sale. He was afraid that if he offered an outlandish price for a trailer that wasn't for sale, word would quickly reach the grocer and possibly the old gent would conclude that maybe the ol' plane was worth more than he thought. Finally the collector drove to a nearby, town where he eventually found an open flatbed trailer. After much finagling, he finally convinced the owner, a farmer, to part with the trailer for more than twice its actual value. As he drove away, the farmer, counting his money, mumbled under his breath 'never thought them city boys were too bright, and this proves it.' That evening, with the trailer in tow, several hundred feet of rope, and some new tools, the collector returned to the store. Enlisting some local help to clear the store's floor of its display shelves, the collector and the local help finally roped the Fokker down from its long term suspension below the store's plank wood ceiling. As there were no hotels in the small town, that night the collector slept fitfully in his car parked in front of the grocery. The next morning, after a cup of lukewarm coffe provided by the grocer, the collector began disassembly of the Fokker. Within a day or so, the aircraft was safely strapped on the trailer and ready to go. By that time the entire town had turned out to see the crazy city boy drive away with the old plane that had hung in the store for as long as most of the town folk could remember As the collector was getting in his car to head down the road, he heard the grocer remark to one of the locals. "God, I never thought I'd get ridda' that piece a' junk!". The collector just smiled to himself as he put the car in gear. 'Yep', he thought, 'after this, folks will have to revise their hoss' trader description to hoss' thief.' I guess the moral is, 'one man's trash is . . . .' never mind, you know the rest of the story. No, this did not happen to me or anyone I know - Unfortunately - just remeber it's all true, every word of it. The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 10:28:51 EST From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) To: wwi Subject: Re: Potential new 1/48th kits... Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:20:43 Joseph R. Boeke" wrote: >I picked up this flyer while I was down at Rosemont last weekend. >__ Dornier D1 >__ Albatros DXI >__ Junkers CL1 >__ Rumpler D1 >__ Bristol M.1C >__ Other: Jeez! Come on WWI 1/48ers, let's give this guy some material. Has anyone ever seen a 1/48 B.E.2c or R.E.8? The backbone of the Corps, yet I've never seen an ad for either kit. Or how about a F.E.2b that doesn't cost $50? What about a Martinsyde G100, or a Bristol Scout, or a Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter? Get out your Grub Street collection and look at the victory claims. Let's get some models of the machines that were actually doing the fighting. By the way, your questionnaire will probably get there faster if you use the right ZIP code. The one listed in Joe's post has numbers transposed. Here's the correct address: 3245 E HILLERY DR PHOENIX AZ 85032-5138 Bill P.S. Hey Wrench, how about posting the ISBN for Trench Warfare 1914-1918? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 08:55:33 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? Message-ID: <9601288255.AA825526554@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> The Wrench requests: I just sent a post with a story. But my server seems to be acting up again. Suddenly all my post are being returned as I requested about a month ago, up until now though only abouty one in twenty were returned. I'm not sure what the deal is, but I would like to know if my posts are getting through. The last thing that I got from you yesterday was an explanation about the UV process, fading of aircraft fabric etc. I haven't responded to it, but that doesn't mean that it didn't post. I read it, saved it for later to read again. Very interesting stuff. ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 08:57:34 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Potential new 1/48th kits... Message-ID: <9601288255.AA825526732@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Jeez! Come on WWI 1/48ers, let's give this guy some material. Has anyone ever seen a 1/48 B.E.2c or R.E.8? The backbone of the Corps, yet I've never seen an ad for either kit. Or how about a F.E.2b that doesn't cost $50? What about a Martinsyde G100, or a Bristol Scout, or a Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter? Get out your Grub Street collection and look at the victory claims. Let's get some models of the machines that were actually doing the fighting. hear hear!! grumble-grumble-grumble... I want to see a Bristol fighter done really well. Maybe a Hanriot. I printed that post; haven't had a chance to mail it yet. --Stephen Tontoni By the way, your questionnaire will probably get there faster if you use the right ZIP code. The one listed in Joe's post has numbers transposed. Here's the correct address: 3245 E HILLERY DR PHOENIX AZ 85032-5138 Bill P.S. Hey Wrench, how about posting the ISBN for Trench Warfare 1914-1918? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:03:45 -0600 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <199602281703.LAA00775@sh1.ro.com> >> In Jolly Olde England: >> Oops, should have said outside of the UK, I was there in '94, i.e. Italy, >Germany, France etc > >Rob. > First and foremost is the Musee de l'Air et de l'Espace at Le Bourget north of Paris. Not to be missed. Its one of the world's great collections, and gives the visitor a better view of the exhibits then any major aircraft museum of which I'm aware. South of Paris is the collection of Jean de Salis, at the Cerny airport near La Ferte-Alais. This is an eclectic mix of aircraft, mainly flyable. This is privately owned but open to the public. Weekends are best because thats when they fly them. There is a significant collection in Germany, but I haven't been there and can't place my hand on the information right now. Stuttgart Airport has a museum adjoining the terminal with 8 or 10 aircraft. Interesting if you're waiting for a flight after visiting the Mercedes-Benz Museum. The Expozice Letectva a Protivzdusne Obrany at Kbely Airfield near Prague in the Czech Republic is probably worth a visit. Lastly, there's the Fokker museum at Schipol Airport near Amsterdam. I haven't been there and may have my geography and nomenclature mixed up, but its supposed to be a fine museum. I hope its not a corporate connection of Fokker Aerospace, because, if so, it may be in imminent danger of closing. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:47:40 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: >>> In Jolly Olde England: >>> Oops, should have said outside of the UK, I was there in '94, i.e. Italy, >>Germany, France etc >> >>Rob. >> >First and foremost is the Musee de l'Air et de l'Espace at Le Bourget north >of Paris. Not to be missed. Its one of the world's great collections, and >gives the visitor a better view of the exhibits then any major aircraft >museum of which I'm aware. > >South of Paris is the collection of Jean de Salis, at the Cerny airport near >La Ferte-Alais. This is an eclectic mix of aircraft, mainly flyable. This >is privately owned but open to the public. Weekends are best because thats >when they fly them. > >There is a significant collection in Germany, but I haven't been there and >can't place my hand on the information right now. Stuttgart Airport has a >museum adjoining the terminal with 8 or 10 aircraft. Interesting if you're >waiting for a flight after visiting the Mercedes-Benz Museum. > >The Expozice Letectva a Protivzdusne Obrany at Kbely Airfield near Prague in >the Czech Republic is probably worth a visit. > >Lastly, there's the Fokker museum at Schipol Airport near Amsterdam. I >haven't been there and may have my geography and nomenclature mixed up, but >its supposed to be a fine museum. I hope its not a corporate connection of >Fokker Aerospace, because, if so, it may be in imminent danger of closing. > To add to this list: The Deutsches Museum in Munich, several a/c The Technical Museum in Prague with their "restored " (more like butchered) Knoller C-II and an original Anatra DS Ansal. Isn't there also a Swiss museum with a number of original a/c from '14-'18 that fell into their hands and were later put into service? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:02:44 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: A tidbit Message-ID: <199602281203.MAA03324@cso.com> Just saw a "pre-release" flyer from MMD. A 1/35th Tadpoll (Mark VIII?) by Emhar. Interesting. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: ww1 mailer Subject: McCudden's SE5 Message-ID: Greetings All 'Round, Here I am ready to start one of my ESCI SE5 kits (what scale?!? damn you, sir!), and it occurred to me to do J.McCudden's a/c. But then the question arose: What is the current wisdom on the correct color for the nose/fin/trim on McCudden's SE5 (dang, forgot the ser.no.)? I counted my reference sources and they came out evenly at 8:Red, 8:Blue (what shade? I've no idea). ....Geez, I hope 'blue'-- looks awfully neat with (green)PC10! Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "The debacle [Gallipoli] was not so much the result of Kitchener and Churchill being incompetent-- rather, that that were appalling morons...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:31:02 -0500 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: wwi Subject: Re: Potential new 1/48th kits... Message-ID: <9602281928.AA24402@coral.bucknell.edu> At 11:18 AM 2/28/96 -0500, Bill wrote: >By the way, your questionnaire will probably get there faster if you >use the right ZIP code. The one listed in Joe's post has numbers >transposed. Here's the correct address: > >3245 E HILLERY DR >PHOENIX AZ 85032-5138 Ooops, sorry about that. Damn dyslexia... - Joe +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Towering genius disdains a beaten | | Bucknell University | path, it seeks regions hitherto | | (717) 524-3200 | unknown. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:10:02 -0500 From: SCLexicat@aol.com To: wwi Subject: New Fokker Dr.1 skeleton Message-ID: <960228191001_155945281@emout04.mail.aol.com> Just picked this up from rec.models.scale... I don't know if everyone also follows that group so I'm reproducing the whole posting here. If anyone doesn't know of Scott, he's a sound & reliable supplier. Simon Craven Subject: New Fokker Dr.I Frame Model From: hlj@iac.co.jp (Scott T. Hards) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:27:31 +0900 New 1/48 Fokker Dr.1 Frame Model Aerobase (a small, Japanese firm) will release a new 1/48 frame (no covering) model of the Fokker Dr.1 on March 22nd. The kit includes injection-plastic spars with photo-etched brass ribs (0.3mm thickness). Also includes a photo-etched name plate and acrylic display base. The engine cowl is pre-painted. No soldering necessary. Price is 7,700 yen ($77). Availability will be limited. Pre-order now. -- Scott T. Hards "Live from Tokyo.." ...and operator of HobbyLink Japan "The world's finest kits, direct from the source." http://msowww.anu.edu.au/~dfk/companies/HLJ/hlj.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:28:17 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Novo Vimy Message-ID: <960228192815_336092655@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: j-roll@maroon.t.umn.edu Subject: NOVO Vimy Dear John, I would like to get a copy of the PAM article on converting the Vimy to the RAF version. I have two in my "I swear I'm going to biuld them soon" closet. I recently finished an Airfix 0/400 and the Vimy will look good parked next to it. My snail0 mail address is Glen Broman 2308 Woodhaven Lane Port Byron, Il 61275 If you need renumeration for copying, postage etc, please let me know. Thanks, Glen P.S. Your email adress was bounced back so I'm posting here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:29:16 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft from Berlin Air Museum Message-ID: <960228192915_336092795@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-27 19:40:40 EST, you write: > >Whilst I'm at it, does anyone have any recomendations as to other Air >Museums that should be visited whilst in Europe? Sshhh, don't spread >this around but I'm interested in Modern Aircraft too (post WWII). > >Thanks, >Rob. > > Rob, If you get a chance visit the Auto und Technic museum in Sinsheim, Germany and the museums in Duxford, and of course, the IWM in England. If your tastes run to WWI on the ground you might check the National Army Museum in London. All worth the time. One of the best collections of WW I armor is in Bovington Camp, Dorset. There is a neat aviation museum in Paris, I think around Orly, but I have no bloody idea how I got there :), perhaps someone else might know? Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:08:32 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <960228200830_155999824@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-02-28 13:29:55 EST, you write: > >Just saw a "pre-release" flyer from MMD. > >A 1/35th Tadpoll (Mark VIII?) by Emhar. Interesting. > > >Matt > > Should be a Mark V or Mark IV with an extension to the aft end of the tank to increase the width of trench it could cross. The Mark VIII Liberty or International tank never saw service in the Great War. BTW, there will be an excellent article on the Mark VIII in the May issue of Museum Ordnance magazine. P.S. Is it plitically correct to talk about WWI tanks on the WW I page?:) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:18:40 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? Message-ID: <199602290118.RAA12561@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Hi Wrench! You wrote: > >The Wrench requests: > >I just sent a post with a story. But my server seems to be acting up again. >Suddenly all my post are being returned as I requested about a month ago, up >until now though only abouty one in twenty were returned. I'm not sure what >the deal is, but I would like to know if my posts are getting through. > >Thanks for the input. Same thing seems to be happening to me. I sent an explanation of the 'slug balancing' quote to the list the other night and it ain't showed up. Always remember though, it's i before e, except after c. ;^) Anyhow the quote isn't Proctor, Phil nor Pobjoy but Atkinson, Rowan AKA 'Blackadder' Mks I thru IV. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:33:20 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: Is anyone out there recieving my posts? Message-ID: <31350260.6192@pcix.com> Wrench- we hang on every syllable that proceeds out of the Alaskan wilderness. Cheese! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:49:34 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > Just saw a "pre-release" flyer from MMD. > > A 1/35th Tadpoll (Mark VIII?) by Emhar. Interesting. Uh... Ho, hum. If Emhar is really making the tadpole then they've also went the DML way, producing one off experimentals. The tadpole was a Mark IV with elongated rear track run. This was done so in order to, or so they hoped, cross the wider trenches. The rear of the tank weakened so much that the track extentions wobbled hen stressed. Also, turning the monster was next to impossible. The War Office said "forget it" but apparently Emhar decided not to. If they wanted to produce another Mark IV like tank then the Mark V or Mark I would be a better choice. Well, maybe they know better than me. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "WILSON, TIMOTHY" To: wwi Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: <01I1RE5SN8W496Y3CW@psulias.psu.edu> Jose Valenciano wrote: >Uh... Ho, hum. >If Emhar is really making the tadpole then they've also went the DML way, >producing one off experimentals. >The tadpole was a Mark IV with elongated rear track run. This was done so >in order to, or so they hoped, cross the wider trenches. The rear of the >tank weakened so much that the track extentions wobbled hen stressed. >Also, turning the monster was next to impossible. The War Office said >"forget it" but apparently Emhar decided not to. >If they wanted to produce another Mark IV like tank then the Mark V or >Mark I would be a better choice. Well, maybe they know better than me. Or a Renault. Or a Whippet. Or any one of the various armored cars present in WWI. This attitude of doing models of stuff that never flew/drove except in the prototype stage continues to confuse me. I went to the Hobby shop today and what did I see? Yet another DML offering of some German WWII SP gun. Ahhh, but this one is different-- it has an extra hand-hold. Whatever. It's sad to see this in WWI modelling too. I mean, if it is allowed to talk about ground subjects, what about 1/35 scale figures? There's any number of nationalities/troop types that could be done! My mind is awhirl with coalescing nodes of thought... T. Wilson Pte Baldrick: Can't you hear the cheering? Our Russian brothers have overthrown Nicholas, what used to be bizarre. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:23:56 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > P.S. Is it plitically correct to talk about WWI tanks on the WW I > page?:) Glen OF COURSE!!! MORE ARMOUR MODELERS NEEDED HERE IN FACT. > ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:35:50 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A tidbit Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, WILSON, TIMOTHY wrote: > > Jose Valenciano wrote: > > >If they wanted to produce another Mark IV like tank then the Mark V or > >Mark I would be a better choice. Well, maybe they know better than me. > > Or a Renault. Or a Whippet. Or any one of the various armored cars > present in WWI. Mind you, in my message I specifically specified "another Mark IV like tank" meaning another offering that uses moulds they already have, like for tracks, machine guns, etc. But if you really wand to dream, to fly, and to get what you wished for, well, I've got this little chant going for about 2 months now. Here it is:  St. Chamond, Schneider, St. Chamond, Schneider, St. Chamond, Schneider Holt Tractor, Daimler AC, Holt Tractor, Daimler AC, Holt Tractor....  Ad infinitum ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 48 ********************