WWI Digest 39 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Unsubscribing from the WWI mailing list by EGeher@aol.com 2) RE: The Floh by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 3) Your direct Vote by The Flying Wrench 4) RE: Your direct Vote by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) Re: Airfix 0-400 kits by amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. McOsker) 6) RE: Your direct Vote by Jose Valenciano 7) Re: sorry testing by mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) 8) Re:Alb DIII!!! by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 9) Re: Airfix 0-400 kits by huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) 10) Re: Airfix 0-400 kits by huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) 11) Re: Your direct Vote by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) 12) Re: Airfix 0-400 kits by aew (Allan Wright) 13) RE: The Floh by "Matt Bittner" 14) Re: Unsubscribing from the WWI mailing list by aew (Allan Wright) 15) Re: sorry testing by "Matt Bittner" 16) Le Prieur questions by "MATT BITTNER" 17) RE: Your direct Vote by The Flying Wrench 18) Re: Your direct Vote by The Flying Wrench 19) RE: The Floh by The Flying Wrench 20) Re: Le Prieur questions by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:38:38 -0500 From: EGeher@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Unsubscribing from the WWI mailing list Message-ID: <960219163837_148187686@mail06.mail.aol.com> Allan I'm trying to unsubscribe from the list on this account (egeher@aol.com) because America Online is about to become history for me. I've already got the list working fine on my new account. The problem is that listproc is just flat ignoring me. I've sent 3 different commands in the last 3 days and all of them have disappeared into limbo. No response and the mail keeps coming. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong, but the "help" message doesn't tell me to do anything that I haven't tried. I'd appreciate it if you could kick listproc from your end or suggest something else I could try. Thanks for your help Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 96 08:28:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: The Floh Message-ID: <199602192250.IAA14521@mimmon.mim.com.au> The Wrench Rails: >It's one extreme to the other. Either we're inundated with Fokker DR.Is, or >we're presented with subject matter that flew less than Professor Langely's >creations. Great! The great unknowable answers of WW1 models - Why the hell no-one makes worthwhile kits of some of the most common aircraft of the war? Why doesn't any manufacturer understand that many modellers love bright and colourful markings - and the various Albatros fighters abound with them? Why isn't there a good kit of the Dr.I in 1:72 after so many tries and all these years? Why do we all complain so much when we're really quite well off ? (modellers in 1:72 may disagree here) regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:02:02 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: Your direct Vote Message-ID: <199602200102.QAA19241@anchor> The Flyin' Wrench request: This is not about WWI aircraft, but it is about a matter important to all of us (at least it should be), our voice in government. There is a net site at http://www.csn.net/vote/intro.html. This net site is your direct voice in government. Your interaction has the potential to be the most important alteration in the way our voice is heard in government since the Constitution was written. Take a look - Then take action. After all it is your future and you are staring into the window to it as you read this post. The Wrench ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 96 11:15:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Your direct Vote Message-ID: <199602200136.LAA20047@mimmon.mim.com.au> ....errr I don't suppose this applies to those of us not from one of the 50 states ---------- From: wwi@MIMHOLD{MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu} Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 1996 11:09 To: wwi@MIMHOLD (Multiple recipients of list){MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu}; sdw Subject: Your direct Vote The Flyin' Wrench request: This is not about WWI aircraft, but it is about a matter important to all of us (at least it should be), our voice in government. There is a net site at http://www.csn.net/vote/intro.html. This net site is your direct voice in government. Your interaction has the potential to be the most important alteration in the way our voice is heard in government since the Constitution was written. Take a look - Then take action. After all it is your future and you are staring into the window to it as you read this post. The Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:24:25 -0500 From: amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. McOsker) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0-400 kits Message-ID: John Huggins inquired about the availibility of the Airfix 0400. I have two along with a conversion kit from Rosemont to make a HP0100. Offers? Gerry McOsker- Newport Rhode Island. "Everyone can recognize history when it happens.Everyone can recognize history after it has happened; but it is only the wise man who knows at the moment what is vital and permanent, what is lasting and memorable. " W.S. Churchill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:37:46 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Your direct Vote Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > > ...errr > > I don't suppose this applies to those of us not from one of the 50 states > Yeah, man.... (But wait, maybe it does) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:46:36 +0000 From: mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) To: wwi Subject: Re: sorry testing Message-ID: <1387359700-12400538@mail7.corenet.net> The Flyin' Wrench wrote: >Are you the same Phil that did the Arctic Markings layout in the March issue >of Fine Scale Modeler? Why yes, I did the illustrations for it. One of Kalmbachs designers did the actual layout. Hope you enjoyed it. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////// (((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((<>)))(((< >)))(((<>)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phil Kirchmeier MindsEye Illustration mindseye@mail.cortech.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:39:05 -0800 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re:Alb DIII!!! Message-ID: <199602200639.WAA11119@bing.ncw.net> Joey - Re: your questions on the Glencoe Alb. DIII and Lindberg SE5a, I accidentally erased your original message, so this "reply" is based on memory. Let me know if I missed anything... Reskinning the wings was a good idea (I'd be interested in knowing your method!). I found it ironic that Glencoe would mold in rib tapes, but not "rib detail" as we normally think of it - but they did it so lightly that one thin coat of paint will totally obliterate them. I haven't found a decent method (that I also have the patience to do) to correct the lack of rib detail, so on this most recent one, I kinda had to let it slide. There's only so much time I feel like investing in a $5.00 (courtesy of Mike F.'s fire sale) kit. However, your reskinning idea does sound intriguing. As for scratchbuilding the fuse...I don't actually have the Datafile for the DIII (I can just hear the anguished cries now - "He built a kit without consulting the Datafile first!!! Blasphemer! Heretic! Unsubscibe him!!!!!). However, in comparing to DIII photos and drawings at my disposal - it looked close enough. Still does. If it's not noticeably out of proportion, I don't sweat a scale error that, in actual size, might amount to a few inches. Besides, scratchbuilding something like a DIII fuselage sounds like more torture than fixing the one supplied, bad as it was. What you need to do is put the upper fuselage panel, prop, spinner, etc., in place, sand down the areas that stick out from the main fuse until they match up with it, then fill in the gaps with putty, sand some more, fill some more, etc., etc. - until it looks right. Eventually it will. Have faith. As for the SE5a - it's the Lindberg. Don't know much about the other one - haven't seen it. The rib detailing on the Lindberg, however, is most impressive, and the trailing edges are nice and thin. Also, as others have pointed out, it is truer to scale - except for the pilot figure, who appears to have been patterned after the pilots of the Escadrille Diminutive, made up of Baka (aka pygmy) tribesmen from French West Africa. But overall, I can recommend the kit highly. Regards, Mark R. lothar@ncw.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:09:43 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0-400 kits Message-ID: >John Huggins inquired about the availability of the Airfix 0400. I have two >along with a conversion kit from Rosemont to make a HP0100. Offers? > Gerry, I have no idea what the kits are going for today. The last one I bought was in England in 1968. What would you be asking for the 2 o-4-- and the 0-100 conversion. Let me know and if it is agreeable, we can work out the details. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0-400 kits Message-ID: >> Matt mentioned that he had had several offers for the 0-400 kits which he >> did not need. If any of you have one or two of the kits you would like to >> sell to a builder, I can use a few of them. Please E-Mail me with the >> numbers and I will get back in touch. > >I have one I'd consider letting go.... > Al, What do you want for the kit? John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:27:32 +1100 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Your direct Vote Message-ID: <199602200827.TAA03790@world.net> Mr Wrench, surely women getting the vote was the most important alteration! I'm in a rare politically correct mood! >The Flyin' Wrench wrote: > > >This is not about WWI aircraft, but it is about a matter important to all of >us (at least it should be), our voice in government. There is a net site at >http://www.csn.net/vote/intro.html. This net site is your direct voice in >government. Your interaction has the potential to be the most important >alteration in the way our voice is heard in government since the >Constitution was written. Take a look - Then take action. After all it is >your future and you are staring into the window to it as you read this post. > > >The Wrench > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix 0-400 kits Message-ID: <199602201404.JAA05975@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Al, > What do you want for the kit? > John I paid $40 - be willing to let it go for that plus shipping. It's complete - 95% of the parts still on the sprues - a few pieces have fallen off the sprues in shipping. -Allan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:13:23 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: RE: The Floh Message-ID: <199602200814.IAA04073@cso.com> On 18 Feb 96 at 22:28, SDW@qld.mim.com.au typed diligently: > >The Floh. What was this beast and why was it named after a diner > > waitress? I Floh (which, I believe, should have an umlaught over the o) is German for "Flea"...not waitress...;-) > There are photos, drawings and the text I've quoted (and maybe misquoted) > from memory in "WW1 Aeroplanes" from Albatros Publishing. The source of > these was the well known peter Grosz. Which was just a reprint of the article contained in Windsock, Vol 3 No 1. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:23:54 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Unsubscribing from the WWI mailing list Message-ID: <199602201423.JAA06156@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I'd appreciate it if you could kick listproc from your end or suggest > something else I could try. You've been unsubscribed from your AOL account. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:22:05 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: sorry testing Message-ID: <199602200923.JAA04886@cso.com> On 19 Feb 96 at 21:29, Phil Kirchmeier typed diligently: > >Are you the same Phil that did the Arctic Markings layout in the March issue > >of Fine Scale Modeler? > > Why yes, I did the illustrations for it. One of Kalmbachs designers did the > actual layout. Hope you enjoyed it. Was that the DFW C.V Arctic markings? Or was that the Rumpler... HUGE :-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:44:52 -0500 From: "MATT BITTNER" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Le Prieur questions Message-ID: <199602201046.KAA05732@cso.com> Again, in bringing back out my 1/72nd Nie.11 - and since I'm fitting it with Le Prieur rockets - I have the following questions. In the article by Harry Woodman in the Vol 10 No 3 Windsock, he mentions that the firing system was "a 2 volt accumulator (listed as a 'Tudor BR2') placed at a convenient situation in the fuselage." Anybody know what a 2 volt accumulator looks like, and where it was placed in the fuselage? Anybody know of any photo's of a Nie.11 cockpit that was "La Prieur enabled"? How about *clear* photo's of the firing wires, and how they led from the rockets to the fuselage? TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "Ex-lovers make great speed bumps" - Bumper Sticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:29:17 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Your direct Vote Message-ID: <199602201729.IAA24593@anchor> At 08:19 PM 2/19/96 -0500, SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > >...errr > >I don't suppose this applies to those of us not from one of the 50 states The Flyin' Wrench responds: The rules apply to all US citizens who are egilble to vote in US elections, over 18 etc. Currently, this is not a binding vote, it is simply a way to show our politicians how the American people feel about the issues, as opposed to what Peter Jennings and Dan Rather come up with in their polls. I hope for the American people's sake, it becomes a binding vote very soon. No matter what your status, please access the sight and read what they have to say. It doesn't take much time and it sure won't hurt. Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:01:14 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Your direct Vote Message-ID: <199602201801.JAA25683@anchor> At 03:27 AM 2/20/96 -0500, Vincent Price wrote: >Mr Wrench, surely women getting the vote was the most important alteration! >I'm in a rare politically correct mood! The Flyin' Wrench writes: Women can also vote with this system! The point is this is the first time "we the people" male and female, will not have to use a legal "mouthpiece" to make our voice heard. As you know with the current system you vote on a hairdo and whiter, briter, smile that suddenly finds that he/she can vote any way he/she damn well pleases - no matter what they promised us before the election. This system will hopefully allow you to eventually override that smile/hairdo with an actual voice on your beliefs about the issue. Check it out! The Wrench By the way do you still live in the haunted castle with the swinging axe in the basement and that fly guy caught in the web? Bet you never were asked THAT before, heh heh. Misplaced recognition is a terrible thing to waste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:14:11 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: The Floh Message-ID: <199602201814.JAA26196@anchor> At 09:15 AM 2/20/96 -0500, Matt Bittner wrote: >On 18 Feb 96 at 22:28, SDW@qld.mim.com.au typed diligently: > >> >The Floh. What was this beast and why was it named after a diner >> > waitress? I >Floh (which, I believe, should have an umlaught over the o) is German >for "Flea"...not waitress...;-) The Wrench displays his airplane acumen: You mean as in: 'Wie ein Floh, aber Oho!' on the nose of you local Me163 (no umlaut, but if it was pronunced "flow" it should have one, as umlaut = long "O" sound in german, as I remember)? Come on guys, where is your sense of humor? The Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:57:37 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Le Prieur questions Message-ID: Matt has written: >Again, in bringing back out my 1/72nd Nie.11 - and since I'm fitting >it with Le Prieur rockets - I have the following questions. Refresh my failing memory, is this a conversion from a Ni.17 or a kit (Merlin ??). > >In the article by Harry Woodman in the Vol 10 No 3 Windsock, he >mentions that the firing system was "a 2 volt accumulator (listed as >a 'Tudor BR2') placed at a convenient situation in the fuselage." > I think that you got the best and only source there. >Anybody know what a 2 volt accumulator looks like, and where it was >placed in the fuselage? Anybody know of any photo's of a Nie.11 >cockpit that was "La Prieur enabled"? How about *clear* photo's of >the firing wires, and how they led from the rockets to the fuselage? Ni.11 cockpit photos, of any kind, are pretty hard to come by. Check the book on the Nieuport Fighters from the Classic Warbirds series, published about 1985 by Arms & Armour Press. Its a collection of Jack Bruce's photos. Apart from the Datafiles and Specials, there aren't too many other places to turn to that I can think of. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 39 ********************