WWI Digest 379 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo by JimMaas@aol.com 2) Re: Driven Nuts by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 3) Re: This List by DEdger7875@aol.com 4) Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo by mbittner@juno.com 5) Re: This List - Air or Armor? by mbittner@juno.com 6) Why I speak only about aircrafts. by =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSHg6aiEhOUA1VxsoQg==?= 7) Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo by David Finkleman 8) Re: Why I speak only about aircrafts. by Lawrence Dunn 9) Re[2]: This List by "Shelley Goodwin" 10) Re[4]: Who won? by "Shelley Goodwin" 11) Re: F2A Buffalo by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) [Fwd: 1,000 plane raid in 1/72 scale (part 2 of 2 parts)] by Ray Boorman 13) Saturday, 30 December 1916, Blessis, Paris & back again by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 14) Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo by JimMaas@aol.com 15) Re: Lovely Modeling weather by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) 1 of 129 subscribers by "Stuart L. Malone" 17) Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo -Finlandia! by DavidL1217@aol.com 18) Re: 1 of 129 subscribers by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:40:00 -0500 From: JimMaas@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo Message-ID: <961230183606_677552000@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-12-30 01:28:15 EST, you write: >Matt assures me that the expert on all things related to the Buffalo >resides with this august group and might be able to help with some >questions. > >Were the pre-war USN F2As' fuselages Light Gray as Hasegawa would have >you believe, natural metal, or Aluminum paint? > >Besides the Hasegawa, I'm working on a Matchbox model 339 Buffalo in RAF >markings. What color was the wheel wells and interior of the gear doors >of the RAF machines? (I'm doing one with the Sky and Night painted >undersurfaces.) > >Were the interiors of RAF Buffalos US Interior Green or RAF Interior >Green? > >Thanks, > >Ken >-- ....think of the Buffalo as a very late design extension of the Morane 'N'..... The prewar scheme was aluminum lacquer overall, with yellow wing tops; the use of light grey on metal areas ended with F4B-4's and SOC-1's (source for Buff scheme is the F2A-2 manual). Unfortunately, I don't have definite info on the wheel wells on the Brit jobs. Photos in the field look like they just painted everything visible in the undersuface color. Interior color, again, is a guess, but the fact that Brewster painted the Buff's in "A' and 'B' camo patterns suggests that the interiors would also have been to Air Ministry specs, so go for British Interior Green. And now back to my Jasta 35B Buffalo..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:53:04 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Driven Nuts Message-ID: >On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:12:43 -0500 Bob Norgren > writes: > >> Another nut for cracking (how festive at this time of the year! >> My favorite is Hazelnuts. I made four batches of biscotti this >> year for gifts... the chocolate hazelnut turned out the best!) >> is on the accuracy of "colors." Every few months someone will >> ask why we don't put "FS Numbers" on our color scheme drawings! > Matt replied: >Bob, you should give it some thought. The reason why I like FS >numbers on drawings, or whatever, is to have some *idea* of what >the color *may* have looked like. If you tell me a "chestnut >brown", how do I know you're not color blind? ;-) Seriously, >though, it's a great place to *start*. > The danger here, to my mind, is that once someone sees a FS or Methuen # affiliated with a particular color scheme for a plane, tank ship, etc., regardless of the conflict, that number becomes gospel to at least one member of the color police, probably the member that you encounter when you drag your finished kit to the next contest. I think that FS numbers are a poor system to work with in describing finishes of these old aircraft, its a US Government system for standardizing paint colors and not a system to describe a range of colors like the Methuen or Munsell systems. Unfortunately, FS happens to be the most accessible set of color swatches in most parts of the world. My point is, does one really need an FS number to paint a varnished wood fuselage or plain doped linen ? For camouflage colors FS might get you in the ball park, but unless you are painting an F-4C or A-10A you are only getting an approximation of the color. My US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:13:08 -0500 From: DEdger7875@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: This List Message-ID: <961230201248_1357266628@emout02.mail.aol.com> Well let's see... WWI in progress and actually being worked on is the Ed. Fok D VI. I'm combining it with a TOM's D VI ( I like TOM's wings better and some of the brass is finer) The magor components are all fitted and drilled and the interior is begun. I'm still not sure of the color/markings yet. The Eduard lozenge looks pretty neat but I've heard that the Propac stuff isn't very good. It will be a training version sans machinengewehr so I'm sure that will narrow the field as far as markings are concerned. Just finished an M60 with Minerollers and Blazer armor in Israeli markings of their incursion into southern Lebanon. I also have a marvelous Tiger PZKW VI Early version with complete interior in the begining stages. The main reason that my entry into the fray on ths list is rare is that my resources ore very limited in the WWI arena. (Letters from my Grandfather to home while he was overseas with the AEF and my subscription to OTF and this list) Hope you all had a good holiday season. Dave E. Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:30:01 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo Message-ID: <19961230.193127.13486.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:09 -0500 JimMaas@aol.com writes: > And now back to my Jasta 35B Buffalo..... Inquiring minds want to know more. What, pray tell, is this? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:30:01 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: This List - Air or Armor? Message-ID: <19961230.193127.13486.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:18:28 -0500 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > Ah, Matt, I have the interior photos of the restored Renault and > my book is very near completion ;) All the details you need. > Plus, I came across an excellent video with great details and > live fire from a rstored vehicle. So, when is it due? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:45:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSHg6aiEhOUA1VxsoQg==?= To: wwi Subject: Why I speak only about aircrafts. Message-ID: <199612310147.KAA20351@ms1.niftyserve.or.jp> Mr. Lawrence Dunn, I am sorry if I, this ugly yellow monky angered you. I can walk, swim. But, of course I can not fly except in my imagination. So I like aircraft. Again, I like *aircraft*, not *AIRFORCE*. I dislike violence. My grandfather, died 23years ago, was military officer of Imperial Japanese Army at WW2. I remember the scar in his back by shot, and he hated all kinds of violence. AFAIK, Japan has ever no "GREAT NAVY", but "great ships and crew" were had. Why Japan lost the Pacific War if Japan had great navy? This, your comment is not kidding for me. I should keep silence for long. Because I am mud deeply. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:45:22 -0700 From: David Finkleman To: wwi Subject: Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo Message-ID: <32C87032.6E31@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> There was an excellent article on the Buffalo in Air and Space Magazine last August (or thereabouts). Prewar Navy Buffaloes were light gray, not bare metal. There is also a spread in the Flying Coulors book that shows RAF, Australian, Dutch, and other markings in detail. I just finished a Peanut Scale rubber powered flying scale model of a Buffalo in Finnish colors: black and green camou on top, sky blue on bottom, with yellow wing tips on the under surface. Yellow band behind cockpit and yellow cowl, mandated by Germany to avoid confusion with German aircraft. You see, the Finnish insignia is a light blue Harrikista on a white circular background. The Harrikista is supposed to be a Finnish good luck symbol, but it looks exactly like a Swastika to me! The Finnish birds also had a black cougar on a white background both sides in front of the cockpit, and a black moose near the leading edges of the vertical fin. Once I saw the Finnish version, I was hooked! Dave Finkleman Colorado Springs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:08:28 -0800 From: Lawrence Dunn To: wwi Subject: Re: Why I speak only about aircrafts. Message-ID: <32C89FCC.559B@mail.idt.net> =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSHg6aiEhOUA1VxsoQg==?= wrote: > > Mr. Lawrence Dunn, I am sorry if I, this ugly yellow monky angered you. > > I can walk, swim. But, of course I can not fly except in my imagination. > So I like aircraft. Again, I like *aircraft*, not *AIRFORCE*. > > I dislike violence. > My grandfather, died 23years ago, was military officer of Imperial Japanese > Army at WW2. > I remember the scar in his back by shot, and he hated all kinds of violence. > > AFAIK, Japan has ever no "GREAT NAVY", but "great ships and crew" were had. > Why Japan lost the Pacific War if Japan had great navy? > > This, your comment is not kidding for me. > > I should keep silence for long. Because I am mud deeply. > > Hiro. I am not completely sure that I understand your message, but I have the impression (especially from your reference to yourself as an "ugly yellow monkey") that you feel that I was angry about your post. I was not! My comment about aircraft posts was meant to be humorous and lighthearted. I am sorry if this was lost in the translation or if I upset you. By the way, as you undoubtedly know, Japan had what was probably the greatest navy in the world at the start of the war. That this fleet was eventually destroyed does not mean that it was not great. Please continue to have fun posting messages about the amazing and colorful early fighter aircraft. Don't be surprised if you see a few posts about the trenches or the navies from me now and then! Cheer up, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 19:03:49 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: This List Message-ID: <9611308520.AA852001700@mx.Ricochet.net> Dave, Meager resources is sorta what this list aims to remedy; if you have any questions or data requests, by all means post 'em, because quite a few of us enjoy answering queries about the obscure (especially aircraft!). Any attempt to accurately model WWI is a quest for the obscure, although this situation is steadily improving... YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: This List Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/30/96 5:35 PM Well let's see... WWI in progress and actually being worked on is the Ed. Fok D VI. I'm combining it with a TOM's D VI ( I like TOM's wings better and some of the brass is finer) The magor components are all fitted and drilled and the interior is begun. I'm still not sure of the color/markings yet. The Eduard lozenge looks pretty neat but I've heard that the Propac stuff isn't very good. It will be a training version sans machinengewehr so I'm sure that will narrow the field as far as markings are concerned. Just finished an M60 with Minerollers and Blazer armor in Israeli markings of their incursion into southern Lebanon. I also have a marvelous Tiger PZKW VI Early version with complete interior in the begining stages. The main reason that my entry into the fray on ths list is rare is that my resources ore very limited in the WWI arena. (Letters from my Grandfather to home while he was overseas with the AEF and my subscription to OTF and this list) Hope you all had a good holiday season. Dave E. Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 96 18:41:11 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: Who won? Message-ID: <9611308520.AA852001690@mx.Ricochet.net> Larry, Touche...Good Guys and Evil Empires are hard to come by. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Who won? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/30/96 6:29 AM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Larry, > > Boy is my face red. Apologies for mistaking you for Rob. I don't think you did, actually. It was just my way of saying "nobody asked me, but . . " > Having done a bit of reading on the Russian Civil War, I would beg to differ > with you regarding damage done to eastern Europe by Lenin's 'communist' Red > Armies during this period. I don't believe that I referred in any way to the effect of the Red Army (or communism generally) on Eastern Europe after the war. > I would also point out that one the most important aims of the proto-communist > Bolsheviks was the spread of the revolution to the rest of Europe, resulting in > violence and suffering in the Baltic States, Asia and Poland as well as Germany. As my comments referred only to Germany, I will limit my response to the above to that country. The vast majority of the violence in Germany after the war was inflicted upon that country by the Freikorps and other Rightist elements. > It was only through the intervention of the Allies, Britain in particular, that > allowed Latvia and Estonia to bargain for some measure of clemency. A prime motive of the Allies' intervention was to reassert the debt owed them by the Tsar. > And with the > help of a few idealistic Americans acting independently of our government, > Poland fought for and won nearly 19 years of sovereignty. The jury's still out on who was really responsible for the Russo-Polish War, but let's not ignore that 1) the Poles started the shooting and 2) they themselves had a political system with many similarities to the U.S. antebellum South (with the Polish peasants playing the part of the slaves). The Poles were not "the good guys." > While no advocate of 'bourgeoise' capitalism, I'm perfectly comfortable looking > down my nose at historically oppressive regimes/factions such as the Soviet > Union, Red China, Bosnian Serbs, miscellaneous middle-eastern despot-fanatics, > and affiliated terrorist groups (and the sensationalist media). It was not > called the Red terror early on for nothing. In my opinion, the "communism as the Evil Empire" analysis suggests a good and evil dualism which precludes an objective assessment of all political systems and historical events. That was the jist of my previous comment; I only reassert it to emphasize that one need not be a fan of Soviet Socialism (which was in no way Communism) to believe that Lenin and the Bolsheviks were not purely evil monsters as usually propagandized in the West, and that the Western Powers (including the U.S.) were not "the good guys." > You will forgive me if I continue to regard 'Communism' as a failed ideal of a > 19th century philosopher who had perhaps a naive or incomplete perception of > human nature and its relationship to industrial society. And I hope you will likewise forgive me for regarding the tenets of so-called "Communism" as no more or less "naive" or "incomplete" than those of so-called "Capitalism." And Communism is no more "failed" than Capitalism, because neither's ever been tried, and never will be (nor can any political ideology ever translate into a viable political economy). > And perhaps the rest of the list members will forgive me this long-winded reply. And me this one. That's it for me! Larry > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Who won? > Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet > Date: 12/29/96 9:27 AM > > Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > > Rob, > > > > Do you have a good reference for Red Tide rising in late/postwar > > Germany with perhaps an accessable chronology or who's who in the > > Weimar government, the 'paramilitary' and the Freikorps? I'm looking > > to flesh out the Europe in Flames aspect of my page. > > I'm not Rob, but I hope you don't mind if I answer. Off the top of my > head, I'd suggest "Germany Tried Democracy" (aka GTD). Although it's > kinda old, it's a great book, and a classic study of the > destruction of the Weimar Republic from within by reactionary elements > that were overwhelmingly in effect in Germany (and not just Nazism!!). > > By the way, I disagree with the contention that a "red tide" brought > Germany down. For this, simply read GTD (or any other source on the > Weimar government) for its analysis of the actual revolution. The > "socialist" government set up by Kurt Schleicher was actually a > democratic socialist government (even more centrist than the DS parties > of Europe today). Spartakus was simply a convenient handle to grab in > order to sneak a ride on the next damned train out of the war! More than > anything else, the strangling blockade and attrition at the front did > Germany in. > > Sorry to get political, but it's often hard for us Americans to correctly > analyze anyhing when the word "Communism" is uttered -- we've been > trained like Pavlov's Dog to foam at the mouth at the mere mention of the > word! > > Larry ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 96 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: F2A Buffalo Message-ID: <199612310310.WAA14102@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Gentlemen, Thanks for all the help with my Buffalo questions, especially those who tipped me off to the Buffalo web page. I prefer to think of the Buffalo as the logical descendant of the Fokker Eindecker - successful despite its mediocre qualities. Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:21:22 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: [Fwd: 1,000 plane raid in 1/72 scale (part 2 of 2 parts)] Message-ID: <32C894C2.1D25@lynx.bc.ca> I found the following on RMS, and since some of the models being offered are wwi I thought it might be of interest to someone on the list. I am in no way conected with the person offering the models and have not ordered any as yet so I don't really know what the deal is or where the models came from so you might want to email for that info if you order anything. In other words some care might be in order! Ray Boorman JOHN4UT wrote: > > This is the second posting of the 1,000 plane raid and yes I am selling > that many kits. The new list is bigger with more kits added. Those > already sold have been deleted. I have had several questions about > shipping... I do not ask for anything other than reimbursement for direct > shipping cost. Once I know how big a box and how far we need to ship I > can give you the exact amount....which is being fair to everyone. > > Yes I know, just what every one wants to see... another once in a life > time sale of 1/72 scale plastic model planes. I think this is about the > 4th offering this week. So in order to make this easier on everyone I > will offer a simple deal. > > Any 10 kits for $25 plus postage. Cut and paste what ever kits you want > from the list below and e-mail your list with your address to me. Please > be fair and take a mix of single engine as well as four engine planes. > > I will keep the list up to date until school starts again on the 6th. > After that I will have to box everything up until spring break. First > come first served on one of a kind kits. Although not required it would > be helpful if you send a couple of alternate choices. > > Your personal check is fine, but please make the payment in US dollars. > > The condition codes are as follows > > 0=unopened box > 1=box open but no parts removed from their trees > 2=some large pieces may be of the trees > 3=this box will rattle due to the small parts that have been separated > from the tree > 4 and greater than that, heck I will give you any of those for the cost of > postage rather than worry about making sure the kit is complete. > > Thank in advance > > John Mulhall > 8216 S Pine Springs Cove > Sandy UT, 84093-4004 > > MANUFACTUR MODEL zWHO SCAL CON MODEL_NUMB > > PEB4 AIRFIX SAAB DRAKEN SWE 72 0.5 02039-4 > PEB4 AMT AJ-37 SAAB VIGGEN SWE 72 1.0 256 > PEB4 HELLER AJ-37 SAAB VIGGEN SWE 72 0.0 256 > PEB4 HELLER J-21A SAAB SWE 72 1.0 261 > PEB4 HELLER J-21A SAAB SWE 72 1.0 80261 > PEB4 HELLER J-32 SAAB LANSEN SWE 72 0.0 348 > PEB4 HELLER J-32 SAAB LANSEN SWE 72 1.0 348 > PEB4 HELLER J-32 SAAB LANSEN SWE 72 1.0 348 > PEB4 HELLER SAAB 91 SAFIR SWE 72 0.5 262 > PEB4 MATCHBOX SAAB VIGGEN SWE 72 1.0 PK119 > PB10 EIDZI CESSNA 172 SKYHAWK US 72 2.0 005:100 > PB10 ? 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EXPEDITOR USAF 72 1.0 > NONE > PEB6 RAREPLANE C-45 EXPEDITOR USAF 72 1.0 NONE > PFB1 HOBBYCRAFT V-22 OSPREY USMC 72 0.0 HC1375 > PCB8 AHM A-7E CORSAIR II USN 72 1.0 FD2:200 > PDB6 AIRFIX J2F-6 GRUMMAN DUCK USN 72 1.0 263 > PDB6 AIRFIX J4F "WIDGEON"/GRUMMAN-GOSLING USN 72 0.0 > 104 > PB10 AIRFRAME XF-5F1 SKYROCKET USN 72 1.0 10 > PCB8 AIRMODEL EA-6A/B Conversion kit without kit USN > 72 1.0 326 > PCB1 AIRMODEL F-6U-1PIRATE (vacuform) USN 72 1.0 32 > PEB6 AIRMODEL F3H-2 DEMON missing canopy and one > side of horzontal stabilizer USN 72 3.0 202 > PEB6 AIRMODEL FJ-4 FURY USN 72 1.0 178 > PBB9 AIRMODEL FR-1 FIREBALL USN 72 1.0 166 > PEB6 AIRMODEL K9F 24 PANTHER USN 72 1.0 141 > PDB6 AIRMODEL S2E TRACKER or C-1A TRADER USN 72 > 0.0 204 > PDB6 AIRMODEL S2E TRACKER or C-1A TRADER USN 72 > 1.0 204 > PDB6 AIRMODEL T-28 B,C,D USN 72 1.0 173 > PCB8 AIRMODEL XF-15C-1 USN 72 1.0 174 > PCB8 AMT A-7E CORSAIR II USN 72 1.0 8808 > PCB8 AMT AV-8A HARRIER USN 72 1.0 8801 > PCB1 AMT F4U-4 CORSAIR USN 72 1.0 7103 > PA12 AMT F6F-3 HELLCAT USN 72 0.0 7107 > PB11 CLASSIC PL CURTISS JN-4 USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB8 CONTRAIL P2Y-2 (vacuform) FLYING BOAT USN 72 > 0.0 P242 > PBB9 EAGLES TAL F9C SPARROWHAWK USN 72 1.0 ET116- > 32A > PA12 EMHAR FJ-4B FURY USN 72 1.0 EM 1001 > PEB1 EMHAR FJ-4B FURY USN 72 0.0 EM 1001 > PCB8 ESCI A-4E "BLUE ANGELS" USN 72 1.0 9010 > PCB8 ESCI A-4E NAVY SKYHAWK USN 72 0.1 9004 > PA10 ESCI PV-22A Osprey USN 72 1.0 908 > PEB8 ESCI PV-22A Osprey USN 72 1.0 9084 > PFB1 esotarec F9F-2P conversion nose USN 72 0.0 > NONE > PFB1 esotarec F9F-2P conversion nose USN 72 0.0 > NONE > PDB6 ESOTERIC BT-1 NAVY NORTHRUP USN 72 0.0 > NONE > PBB9 ESOTERIC F-3B1 USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB9 ESOTERIC F2F-1 FLYING BAAREL USN 72 0.0 13 > PDB6 ESOTERIC N-9H CURTIS JENNY (biwing) USN 72 > 0.0 15 > PDB6 ESOTERIC O3U-3/SU CORSAIR TWO (biwing) USN 72 > 0.0 14 > PDB6 ESOTERIC OJ-2 CRUISER SCOUT USN 72 0.0 9 > PFB3 ESOTERICMO N3N-1/3 YELLOW PERIL USN 72 0.0 > NONE > PEB5 EXECUFORM A-18 CURTIS USN 72 2.0 76-D > PB11 EXECUFORM DOUGLAS DOLFIN 1931 USN 72 0.0 > 500 > PDB6 FORMAPLANE CURTISS SEAHAWK USN 72 1.0 2 > PCB1 FUJIMI F7U-3 CUTLASS USN 72 1.0 7AH10 > PDB6 GIFFIN T2V-1 SEASTAR USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB9 GRIFFIN FH-1 PHANTOM USN 72 1.0 > PCB1 HASEGAWA F-18 HORNET USN 72 1.0 1154 > PCB1 HASEGAWA F-8E CRUSADER USN 72 1.0 1146 > PDB6 HASEGAWA SOC 3 CURTISS SEAGULL USN 72 1.0 > JS-051:130 > PDB6 HASEGAWA SOC 3 CURTISS SEAGULL (biwing) (float) USN > 72 1.0 BO 15:350 > PDB6 HASEGAWA SOC 3 CURTISS SEAGULL (biwing) wheels USN > 72 1.0 JS-057100 > PBB9 HAWK F4F WILDCAT USN 72 2.0 7 > PCB1 HELLER F-8 E (FN) CRUSADER USN 72 1.0 259 > PDB6 HELLER SBC 4 Curtis HELLDIVER (biwing) USN 72 1.0 > 285 > PB10 HELLER T-28 TROJAN/FENNEC USN 72 0.0 279 > PCB8 IMC A-1H SKYRAIDER with Battle Damage USN 72 > 3.0 36622 > PDB6 LINDBERG OS2U KINGFISHER USN 72 1.0 48160 > PEB5 MATCHBOX A-7D CORSAIR II USN 72 2.0 PK 101 > PCB8 MONOGRAM A-1E SKYRAIDER USN 72 0.0 6087 > PCB8 MONOGRAM A-1E SKYRAIDER USN 72 0.0 6807 > PCB8 MONOGRAM A-1E SKYRAIDER no box USN 72 1.0 > 6087 > PCB8 MONOGRAM A-1E SKYRAIDER no box USN 72 1.0 > 6087 > PFB1 MONOGRAM F-4J USN 72 1.0 5440 > PBB9 MONOGRAM F4B-4 BIPLANE USN 72 0.0 6795 > PBB9 MONOGRAM F4B-4 BIPLANE USN 72 2.0 6795 > PBB9 MONOGRAM F8F BEARCAT USN 72 0.0 6789 > PBB9 MPC F2A BREWSTER BUFFALO USN 72 0.0 2-2111 > PBB9 MPC F2A BREWSTER BUFFALO USN 72 1.0 2-2111 > PDB6 MPC OS3U3 KINGFISHER & T CREWMAN USN 72 1.0 > 2-0107 > PDB6 MPC SB2C CURTIS HELLDIVER USN 72 0.5 1-4105 > PCB1 RAREJETS FJ-1 FURY USN 72 0.0 NONE > PEB6 RAREPLANE CURTISS HELLDIVER USN 72 1.0 > 2669M > PBB9 RAREPLANE F-3D-1 SKYNIGHT USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB9 RAREPLANE F3F-1 F3F-2 USN 72 1.0 NONE > PBB9 RAREPLANE F3F-1 F3F-2 USN 72 1.0 NONE > PCB1 RAREPLANE F3H-2 DEMON USN 72 0.0 NONE > PCB1 RAREPLANE F7U-3 CUTLASS USN 72 0.0 NONE > PEB6 RAREPLANE F7U-3 CUTLASS USN 72 2.0 NONE > PCB1 RAREPLANE FJ-4B FURY USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB9 RAREPLANE G-23 GOBLIN USN 72 0.0 NONE > PBB9 RAREPLANE G-23 GOBLIN USN 72 1.0 NONE > PCB8 RAREPLANE KA-3B SKYWARRIOR USN 72 1.0 > NONE > PCB2 RAREPLANE PV-1 LOCKHEED VENTURA USN 72 1.0 > NONE > PDB6 RAREPLANE SB2A BREWSTER BUCCANEER USN 72 0.0 > NONE > PDB6 RAREPLANE SBC 4 Curtis HELLDIVER (biwing) USN 72 > 0.0 NONE > PDB6 RAREPLANE VOUGHT-SIKORSKY VINDICATOR USN 72 > 1.0 NONE > PBB9 RAREPLANES F-3D-1 SKY KNIGHT USN 72 0.0 > PBB9 REVELL F2A BREWSTER BUFFALO USN 72 3.0 H-636:50 > PBB9 REVELL F4F-4 WILDCAT USN 72 1.0 H-639:70 > PBB8 REVELL PBY-5 USN 72 0.0 4522 > PB10 REVELL PT-13D N2S-5 KAYDET USN 72 1.0 H-649 > PB10 REVELL PT-13D N2S-5 KAYDET USN 72 1.0 H-649 > PB10 REVELL PT-13D N2S-5 KAYDET USN 72 2.0 4116 > PCB8 SCALECRAFT A-4E/F AGGRESSOR USN 72 0.0 > AC-9003 > PCB8 SCALECRAFT A-4E/F AGGRESSOR USN 72 0.0 > SC-9003 > PBB8 SUITCLIFF PB2Y-2-3 CORONADO (vacuform) USN 72 > 1.0 > PEB6 UNIQUE FORM PB4Y-2 PRIVATEER (VACUFORM PARTS > with REVELL B-24D USN 72 3.0 AC001- > 2.50 > PB11 WINGS LE BREGUET 14 (vacuform) WW1 72 1.0 8 > PB11 AIRFIX BRISTOL FIGHTER F2B WWI 72 0.0 85 > PB11 AIRFIX SOPWITH PUP WWI 72 0.0 01062-1 > PB11 AIRFIX SOPWITH PUP WWI 72 0.0 01062-1 > PB11 AIRFIX SOPWITH PUP WWI 72 0.0 01062-1 > PB11 AIRFIX SPAD VII WWI 72 1.0 129 > PB11 AIRFRAME SOPWITH 1 1/2 STRUTTER WWI 72 0.0 > NONE > PB11 AIRFRAME SOPWITH 1 1/2 STRUTTER WWI 72 1.0 > NONE > PB11 J & L SVA SCOUT PROFILE (vacuform) WWI 72 1.0 61 > PB11 MEIKRAFT Albatros D.I/D.II WWI 72 0.0 > NONE > PB11 REVELL DE HAVILLAND DH 2 (biwing) (no box) WWI 72 > 0.0 NONE > PCB2 REVELL SPAD X11 WWI 72 0.0 H-627:70 > PB11 WARBIRD SOPWITH 7F-1 SNIPE (vacuform) WWI 72 0.0 50 > PAB4 WARBIRDS S-4C WWI 72 0.0 > PAB4 WARBIRDS S-4C WWI 72 0.0 > PB11 WINGS SALMSON 2 A2 (biwing) (vacuform) WWI 72 > 1.0 > PAB4 AIRFIX RE8 WWI B 72 0 1078 > PAB4 AIRFIX RE8 WWI B 72 0 1078 > PB11 AIRFIX SOPWITH 2F1 CAMEL WWI B 72 0.0 1009 > PB11 AIRFIX SOPWITH 2F1 CAMEL WWI B 72 0.0 1009 > PAB4 AIRFIX UNKNOWN 2 SEATER no box or > instructions WWI B 72 2.0 > PAB4 MPC DH 4 WWI B 72 1.0 5003-50 > PAB4 MPC SPAD VII WWI B 72 1.0 5005-50 > PAB4 AIRFRAME FOKKER DVIII WWI G 72 0.0 1 > PAB4 AIRFRAME PHONIX D.1. WWI G 72 0.0 13 > PB11 SIERRA SCA RUMPLER C-1 (biwing) (vacuform) WWI G 72 > 0.0 C-1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:40:06 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 30 December 1916, Blessis, Paris & back again Message-ID: <32C8D166.23C8@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Up early and took 6:13 train to Paris. There by 8 and did errands. Paid balance due on suits ($13). Stopped by to see the Major at office & turned over notes to him. Lunched with Mrs Parker at Roosevelt. Went to motion pictures in p.m. Bought flowers and sent them to Helen. Xmas card from Dr & Mrs Bradley. Had early dinner with Major & Mrs Parker at Roosevelt and took 8:16 train back to Plessis Belleville. Back by 10:30 tired and weary. Helen 'phoned me at hotel before I left & thanked me for the flowers. Am terribly, terribly lonely for dear darling Gertrude. ******************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:29:26 -0500 From: JimMaas@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo Message-ID: <961231002925_2053998285@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-12-30 20:33:03 EST, Matt wrote: >On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:09 -0500 JimMaas@aol.com writes: > >> And now back to my Jasta 35B Buffalo..... > >Inquiring minds want to know more. What, pray tell, is this? > > >Matt Just trying to keep some WWI content in this off-topic topic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:03:54 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lovely Modeling weather Message-ID: <961231010353_371913894@emout15.mail.aol.com> Please note that the Pegasus 1 1/2 strutter needs to have the fuselage sides packed out and the seam filled. I noticed that they shaved (off of the Czechmaster (00Ps, did I say that?) resin master when cutting the mold.) roughly 1/16th of an inch off the mating surfaces of the fuselage sides. Put the fuslage sides togther and hold the wings in position. You will see what I mean. Other than that, its a great kit! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:06:11 +0000 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: wwi Subject: 1 of 129 subscribers Message-ID: <32C858F3.7C5F@sound.net> Seems I've neglected my duties for several months now by not posting any messages. My NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION is to take a more active part in this group. (Anybody out there fool enough to make any tough resolutions?) The two things that hold me back are one, most of you guys know far more about aircraft details and historical personalities of the Great War than I, and second, I've been very lazy and only checked my email maybe seven or eight times onver the last three months. One other thing, during this time I have been working exclusively on miniatures for Star Fleet Battles. (you know, that silly STAR TREK combat game). This project is almost complete, then I can get back to my sopwiths (half built pup, half built tripe, 3/4 built camel, 1/3 built snipe, 1/2 built dolphin, 2/3 built salamander...) I would like to add a swallow to the list, but am not sure of the wing dimensions. I believe the fuselage was that of a camel, but not positive. TIA. Well, I've wasted enough bandwidth for an evening...... Stuart L. Malone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:08:34 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off Topic - F2A Buffalo -Finlandia! Message-ID: <961231010833_1822125679@emout11.mail.aol.com> Hey, if this is where the Buffalo roam, I would like to know if the Finnish 239's had the windows on the belly. Some day I am going to 'Finnish' a Tamiya Buffalo. Is Jim Maas part of this august group? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:08:14 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1 of 129 subscribers Message-ID: <199612310708.AA10413@ednet1.orednet.org> Stuart L. Malone diligently typed: -snip_ >This project is almost complete, then I can get back to >my sopwiths (half built pup, half built tripe, 3/4 built camel, 1/3 >built snipe, 1/2 built dolphin, 2/3 built salamander...) > >I would like to add a swallow to the list, but am not sure of the wing >dimensions. Would that be a European or African swallow? The wing dimensions are, in any case, insufficient to support a coconut. Sorry, couldn't resist! Eric will at least understand the reference! :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 379 *********************