WWI Digest 367 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Check the markings on this one by Peter Kilduff 2) New rigging glue by Joseph Gentile 3) Fokker D.VII postwar by Brian Nicklas 4) Re[2]: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by Rob 5) Aeroengines by Rob 6) Hobby store adventure by Joseph Gentile 7) Re: seat belts? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: Aeroengines by DavidL1217@aol.com 9) Re: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by DavidL1217@aol.com 10) Holidays by Bill Bacon 11) Re[2]: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re: Holidays by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: Richthofen vs Hawker by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: Holidays by Bill Bacon 15) Christmas Greetings by Dietmar Breuer 16) Christmas by Shane Weier 17) Re: Profile Publications by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 18) Re: Christmas Greetings by "S.M. Head" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 6:23:45 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: RE: Check the markings on this one Message-ID: <961219062345.20257288@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Mike, Shane, et al. No, I don't have too much time on my hands. Just enough to know how to use the "forward/edit" command on stuff that comes to me via this infernal box of lights and strange noises. FYI, Shane, I *am* working on the next book. It's the operational history of JG I -- and the Australians *still* got Richthofen. (So much for that fabled Australian hospitality!) Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:23:51 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: New rigging glue Message-ID: <199612191423.IAA05893@Walden.MO.NET> I just made a new discovery for myself. While adding the rigging the floats of my HB w.20 last night I used a new product called "Elmers Craft Bond". I origially thought I had the normal white glue but I must have gotten into my wifes hobby supplies "mistakenly". If you have never tried this stuff it is really much better than the normal white glue. It tacks up very quickly and is intended to be used with non porous materials in light applications. Yes, it dries up clear as well. I'll have to buy Carol another bottle for herself when I'm out shopping next time. This one is headed for the modelling supplies. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:48:04 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Fokker D.VII postwar Message-ID: <199612191551.KAA24254@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm working on a photo order for the USAF and ran across a photo of "Fokker planes at inspection of Kelly Field by General John J. Pershing, Feb 3, 1920." They are Fokker D.VIIs, and they still have lozenge fabric. There are at least 14 a/c in the photo. Pretty neat - I may have to let Ray Rimell know about it for the upcoming D.VII special. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:29:00 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <9612190910.aa12076@scosysv.speechsys.com> Thomas Eisenhour wrote: > Regarding the Gotha G.V, how would you keep long span vac-formed wings > from sagging? Use brass spars, a few brass compression ribs, and functional rigging. Rig the model with nylon line anchored inside the lower wing structure and fuselage. You can anchor the wing-anchored rigging either when you are building the lower wing (which complicates masking and painting a bit) or by cutting a small window in the underside of the lower wing and closing it up after rigging (a good method if you have somethign like a float or landing gear attachment to cover it). When wires were anchored to the fuselage, drill straight across the latter component and thread the thread through and out the other side. Drill clear through the upper wing at an angle to match the angle of the rigging wire. Thread the wires through the upper wing, and glue the upper wing in place. Then tension the wires. I use snapper closepins as tensioning weights. Finally, secure the nylon wires with superglue. It may take a couple of tries, as nylon is slippery stuff. I've used this method on two models so far and it worked great. Both are quite sturdy, although both have suffered from subsequent errors of judgement (the late, lamented Glencoe Oeffag Albatross) and other construction errors, respectively. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:42:11 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Aeroengines Message-ID: <9612190923.aa12229@scosysv.speechsys.com> I came across an interesting tidbit in A History of Sports Cars by G. N. Georgano (New York: Bonanza, 1970). After the war, the author writes, many young Englishmen came home with a taste for things mechanical and a desire for sports cars, but lacked the cash for the few high-priced, usually unsporting vehicles available. However, the Ministry of Supply was selling off new aeroengines at more or less scrap value. So enthusiasts started taking old touring cars (often with chain drive) and plugging an 18-liter 225-hp Sunbeam V12, 14-liter 275-hp Rolls-Royce Falcon V12, or 23-liter 300-hp Maybach L6 (no doubt reparations) into these old chassis and adding 4-seater open bodywork. Count Zborowski's famous Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang was an Edwardian chain-drive Mercedes with a Maybach. In America, Wharton of Dallas and Prado of New York even built production cars with the tamer, 8-liter Curtiss OX-5. Poor braking (the cars were fast and heavy), high fuel consumption, and, in England, the start of horsepower taxes made such cars a short-lived experiment however, at least for road use. They survived only at Brooklands and Bonneville. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:31:25 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Hobby store adventure Message-ID: <199612191931.NAA01621@Walden.MO.NET> Instead of eating lunch today I ventured out to the local hobby store. Lo and behold I found that Chris had some interesting things available... One copy of OTF vol 1 number 4 which I scarfed up. (Someone from this list had to trade it in at CRM) and what seems to be a new offering from Merlin. A 1/72 Friedrichschafen G.III. That little rectangular box was stuffed full of limited injection styrene, white metal, strut stock and decals. I didn't examine the contents closely but the detail looked pretty good. All of this for a mere $31.50 USD. I have never seen one offered and don't have a real interest in this subject but Chris has four of them and will ship via UPS. HTH someone looking for this kit. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:57:39 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: seat belts? Message-ID: <199612192257.RAA25367@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Franco Poloni diligently typed: > >>Greetings All >>Last night I was building my Gotha, and I wonder: >>did WWI aircraft have seat belt?? >>Probably this is a silly question, but I started to look to my references,= >> well, >>no photo of seats... >>Probably the gunners, or the observer , could not be secured, but the= >> pilots?? >>And what about the fighter pilots?? >>How could they manage with acrobatics?? >>Cheers >>Franco Here's a somewhat interesting story...no idea as to how much it was embellished over time. At a OTF Atlantic Coast Chapter meeting a few years ago, George H. Cronin, a Caproni pilot, gave a 1 hour talk. In it he told us how the pilots always debated among themselves whether you would "pass out" when you jumped from the airplane and therefore not "feel the splat" when you "landed". If so, they all agreed it was a better wazy to go than burning. They devised a macabre system of signalling each other if, for any reason, they were unlucky enough to be thrown from or jump from the plane. As he put it, one day they say a plane thrown upwards unexpectedly (rough air?) and one of the occupants(never said if a pilot or crewman) was thrown from the plane. He kept making the signal(I forget what it was) all the way down. So, that settled the debate. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:56:02 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroengines Message-ID: <961219175113_1221770837@emout06.mail.aol.com> They should have used Hissos... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:57:16 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <961219174627_908773576@emout15.mail.aol.com> I thought that "tinsides" was a reference to a Junkers. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:36:51 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: "World War I modeler's list" Subject: Holidays Message-ID: <32B9EDB3.627F@netjava.net> To all, Sincerest wishes for Happy Holidays and a most prosporous New Year. Off to North Carolina to see the grandchildren. Wil be back after first of the year. Cheers, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 18:17:48 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Message-ID: <9611198510.AA851048410@mx.Ricochet.net> Scott, What's your 'page address? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/18/96 9:20 PM >My bet is that Scott has this wrong. There may be an isolated case of >diagonal application, but my bet is that the overwhelming majority are >chordwise. In fact, Dan San Abbot says in a lengthy article on D.VII > covering practices in WW1 Aero Dec 1984 Hi Shane and everyone else! I didn't check references for the Fokker wing, but estute readers of the article may discover that I "borrowed" Aeromaster's illustration from the lozenge decal instruction sheet, taking it for face value. If Fokker wings in general, and the D.VII specifically as the illustration depicts, were usually covered chordwise then I am indee wrong. In light of this, would it be a good idea to make it clear that it is only a representative illustration? I'd be willing to whip up a new illustration if it would help. Happy Holidays! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:26:14 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Holidays Message-ID: <199612200326.WAA26063@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:38 PM 12/19/96 -0500, Bill Bacon wrote: >To all, > >Sincerest wishes for Happy Holidays and a most prosporous New Year. >Off to North Carolina to see the grandchildren. Wil be back after first >of the year. Bill Thanks again. have fun in NC.....stay away from any Dukies or folks that attended Cow College(NCSTATE) Mike Muth(A Tar Heel Grad) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:26:36 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Richthofen vs Hawker Message-ID: <961219222635_709755908@emout04.mail.aol.com> Yes, I believe Alan may have used the DI tracing instead of the DII, judging from the wing gap. However, the caption is all DII. I would imagine that the colors are for the DII. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:01:09 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Holidays Message-ID: <32BA1D95.2D76@netjava.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 08:38 PM 12/19/96 -0500, Bill Bacon wrote: > >To all, > > > >Sincerest wishes for Happy Holidays and a most prosporous New Year. > >Off to North Carolina to see the grandchildren. Wil be back after first > >of the year. > Bill > Thanks again. > have fun in NC.....stay away from any Dukies or folks that attended > Cow College(NCSTATE) > Mike Muth(A Tar Heel Grad) Lordy, lordy the kind of people you meet on the net . Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:35:49 +0100 From: Dietmar Breuer To: wwi Subject: Christmas Greetings Message-ID: <32BA33C5.28DF@itz-koeln.de> Hi All, Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all members of the list. Or in my language: Froehliche Weihnachten und ein glueckliches neues Jahr. Dietmar -------------------------------------------------=09 Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln E-Mail: breuer@itz-koeln.de Tel: 49 (0)221 - 49707 32 =09 Fax: 49 (0)221 - 49707 12 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:36:02 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Christmas Message-ID: <01BBEE93.E3D34E60@pc087b.mim.com.au> GDay *Mates*, Well, I'm off on a brief summer vacation and won't be online again until at least 30 December, and possibly 2 January. I'd like to thank the list members for all the entertainment, information, amusement and unstinting friendship that they generated in 1996. I'll even forgive Matt for berating me about my failing eyesight and my preference for decent sized models, Bill for pointing out my many errors, and Sandy his solemn digs about the beauty of PC.10. I wish all of you, frequent participants and lurkers alike, the very best of Christmases, and all the joys the New Year can bring. Shane (Santaaaaaa. SANTAAA !!!. Bring that RE-8, I just can't wait. Saaaaannnnntaaaaa !! Are you listening ?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:18:42 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Profile Publications Message-ID: <19961220071839.AAA12881@LOCALNAME> At 12:16 PM 12/18/96 +0000, you wrote: >Somebody asked if there were any Profiles published above a certain number >- forgive me but I have deleted message and don't know who it was. >I have just received catalogue from UK source with almost all the >Profiles available and the list goes up to number 262. >If this is of any interest to anybody I can give details. >Sandy > Yes I am very much interested. Have profiles up to #254 and would like to get the last ones. Thanks Juan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 03:37:33 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Christmas Greetings Message-ID: <9612200313.aa13862@mail.iapc.net> >Hi All, >Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all members of the list. >Or in my language: >Froehliche Weihnachten und ein glueckliches neues Jahr. > >Dietmar To echo Dietmar's greetings in native languages: Y'all have yerselfs a fine Chrismus, and don't go shootin at the reindeer cuz they aint good eatin'! Cheers from cold Texas (where we don't REALLY speak like hillbillies)! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 367 *********************