WWI Digest 366 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 2) RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by Sandy Adam 3) Profile Publications by Sandy Adam 4) by Peter Fedders 5) Re: Info request by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 6) Re: The First Air War - Pictorial History 1914-1919 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 7) Re: The First Air War - Pictorial History 1914-1919 by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 8) Check the markings on this one by Peter Kilduff 9) Re^2: double wire rigging by Hirohisa Ozaki 10) Re: Re^2: double wire rigging by "Valenciano . Jose" 11) Re[2]: seat belts? by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re[2]: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re[2]: DeHavilland Avalanche by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 15) Re: Re[2]: seat belts? by "Valenciano . Jose" 16) RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII by Shane Weier 17) Re: Check the markings on this one by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII by "S.M. Head" 19) RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII by Shane Weier 20) RE: Check the markings on this one by Shane Weier 21) Re: Info request by Dietmar Breuer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:58:18 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <19961218.045720.4447.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:39:16 -0500 lothar@ncw.net (mark) writes: > 1.) Significant EARLY war type, of which there are always > too few kits. > 2.) First biplane fighter in wide use by the Germans. > 3.) Major Central Powers fighter in the Mid East theater. > 4.) It's as ugly as yer grandmother without her teeth... > 5.) NO LOZENGE! > > and best of all... > > 6.) It's not another freakin' Fokker DVII or DrI!!!!!!!! For me, the best of all would be: 7.) Jacobs flew one. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:56:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: > > What's a "Tinside"? > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano Sorry Joey, I'd just re-read Flying Fury and JTBMcC keeps referring to Martinsydes as Tinsides. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:12:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Profile Publications Message-ID: Somebody asked if there were any Profiles published above a certain number - forgive me but I have deleted message and don't know who it was. I have just received catalogue from UK source with almost all the Profiles available and the list goes up to number 262. If this is of any interest to anybody I can give details. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:23:46 -0600 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199612181423.IAA16043@howdy.wustl.edu> on wiongs that might sag: On 1/48 vacs (including the Felixstowe and AEG GIV) I put stainless or brass rod between the wing halves. This really stiffens them. On real aircraft the rigging stopped the sag. On the Gotha the box formed by the two wings and the struts should stop the sag (if the joints hold!) - but it might need the rigging to stabilize it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:26:35 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: Bill writes: > >Anyone got a copy of "Above the Lines" who could provide more >definitive information? (Anyone got a copy of "Above the Lines" >they'd like to sell??) Try an independent book seller (i.e. no Waldenbooks or Barnes & Noble), they can probably order you a copy. I believe that this is still in print. It was only published a short time ago. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:38:17 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: The First Air War - Pictorial History 1914-1919 Message-ID: <1996Dec18.092553.1155.936746@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Has anyone on the list seen this book? Authors are T.C. Treadwell and A.C. Wood Published by Brassey's (UK). Is it worth buying?, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: The First Air War - Pictorial History 1914-1919 Message-ID: >Has anyone on the list seen this book? Authors are T.C. Treadwell and A.C. >Wood Published by Brassey's (UK). Is it worth >buying?, I recently bought a copy unseen thru a mailorder house. It seems like it is written for a teenage audience. While there are some interesting photos I would say, "save your money". --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: Check the markings on this one Message-ID: <961218194028.20252093@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> > MERRY CHRISTMAS >>> >>> $f dF , >>> .,,,... :$L ;$ ,dP >>> ,!!!!!!!',cd$$$$$e, q 4$f,$$,z$" >>> ,!!!!!!!',c$$$$$$$$$$$$c `$o`$$kuC3$$ .zf >>> ,!!!!!!!',c$$$$$$P**""**?$c R$beeF?$$$$$" >>> ;!!!!!!! c$$$$$$",eed$$F"?t" "$$$$bd$$$" >>> ;!!!!!!!.d$$$$$F j"j$3$bf""?b?e, '$$$$$$P" >>> !!!!!!: $$$$$$P J,f ,d$$b?$bde`$c .$k'$b >>> !!!!!!!> $$$$F".$$".u$$??P}"""^ ?$$c. d$$$$$dd$$$$$> >>> `!!!!! ?L e$$ $$$$$P'zee^"$$$$boc"$$, R$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>> '!!! z$$$$$c,"$P'd$$F'zdbeereee$$$$$eu "??$$$$PF" >>> Mn !! d$$$$$$$$ee z$P",d$$$$$$c?$$$$$$$$C '!!!::::!!!> >>> MMM ,cec, '^$$$$$$$$$c,",e$$C?$$$$$$bc?$$$$$$$k !!!!!!!!!!!! >>> MMM'.$$$$$$$, ?$$$$$$$$P$$$$$$$bc?T$$$$$$d$$$$$$$ . -.`!!!!!!! >>> nMM d$$$$$$$F $$P???",e4$$$$$$$$bcc?$$$$$$$$$$$$ /~:.!!!!!!!!! >>> n. 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'''` ...:::!!!!!! $$$.?$b'!!!> >>> $$$$$$$$$$$beee@$$$$$$$$ ..:::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3$$b ?$c`!!! >>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$f .::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! d$$$$`$$b !!! >>> $$$$$$$$$$$"3$$$$$$$$$":!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$$$$,$$$k !!! >>> $$$$$$$$$P,d$$$$$$$$F !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3$$$$$ $$$i`!!! 3> >>> $$$$$$F$Fz$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! d$$$$$h`$$$,!!! $& >>> $$$$$FJFx$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'4$$$$$$$ 9$$$.'.$$$L >>> $$$$$ F.$$$$$$$$F.r !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$$$$$$F ?$$$e$$$$F >>> $$$$F .$$$$$$$$"d$$bu,,.```''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'''''`,d$$$$$$$F.! ?$$$$$$F >>> $$$$F d$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$bc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ccd$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!f ?$$$$" >>> "$$$e$$$$$$$$&'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!> $P" >>> `"?$$$$$$$$$e`?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!' >>> `?$$$$$$$$$$e `""**???$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P***""..:!!' >>> "?$$$$$$$$k`!!!!!!;;;;;;::,,,...... ,,,,,;;!!!!!!!!!! >>> ""???"" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.> `!!!!!!!!!'''!!!!' >>> :i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> .``''`.,uu,,.```. >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~` d$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$> >>> c.`~~~~~!!!!!:.. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>> $$$$$eeeeeeeuuuee$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" >>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"........... >>> ?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P" '!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> .."""""""""".: !!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> :!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `!!!!!!!!!!!' >>> i!!!!!!!!!!!!!' !!!!!!!!!!!':: >>> :!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!:!!:. >>> !!!!!!!!!!'!!! . `!!!!!!!!!!!!`... >>> `!!!!!!!! -'`` !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:: >>> !!!!!!!!!i!!!: `~~~~~```~~~~~~~~~~~~` >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >>> ```'!!!!!!!'``::.. >>> `!!!!!!!!!!!' >>> ````` ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:07:01 JST From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re^2: double wire rigging Message-ID: <9612190107.AA08837@sun01.miln.mei.co.jp> Sorry Joey, My English skill is not well. I read this way from ModelArt. >On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: > >> I know one idea but I have not used yet. >> >> 1) Make a small ring which roll and twist thin enamel wire to 0.3mm drill pin. >> 2) Cut off lead short, and cement ring to hole which open on wing surface. >> 3) Tie wires through rings. > >Hi Hiro, I can't fully understand your instructions. But let me try to >"interpret" what you said. > >Do you mean that I should glue "O" rings halfway into the attachment >points (half imbedded and the other half protruding) and thread rigging >wire through it? That way the double wires will be spaced as far apart as >the diameter of the "O" ring. No, the double wires will be spaced as far apart as diameter of enamel wire. 1) You make "O" rings with twisted lead which length need to glue into the hole. OIs this what you meant? Please clarify. Your idea sounds interesting. >(If my interpretation of your instructions is NOT what you really meant >then well, at least it made me think up another way to rig double wires!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:36:32 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re^2: double wire rigging Message-ID: Hi Hiro, thanks for the clarifying the double rigging method. I will use it on my next double wire rigger. An Fe2b maybe? Hmmmmm.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 18:47:51 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: seat belts? Message-ID: <9611188509.AA850965029@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone have a video of "Aces High"? Never seen it, but have seen it mentioned in an Osprey book. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: seat belts? Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/17/96 11:31 PM On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Ray Boorman wrote: > Another reference I have is somewhat amusing. In "British Fighter Units > Western front 1914-1916 (Osprey)". On page 5 it relates the story of a > Captain Louis Strange who in the heat of combat reached up to change an > Ammo Drum on his Lewis gun. Since the drum was stuck, he stood up and his > seat belt slipped, at just that moment the stick which was wedged between > his knees came loose and the plane went into a spin with the pilot now > hanging from the cockpit gripping the drum which he hoped would stay > stuck. Anyway after a struggle he managed to clamber back in and land. I'd > say that was definatly his lucky day. But he was reprimanded by his superiors for damaging the cockpit as he tried to kick/hook his feet back into the cockpit. BTW, this scene was recreated in the film "Aces High" right? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 18:45:33 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel Message-ID: <9611188509.AA850965020@mx.Ricochet.net> Dietmar, Do you have any info on the operations of the Polizeifliegerstaffel or even backgound on the civil strife experienced by the Weimar government in the immediate post-war era? Were the Freikorps air units part of the Polizeifliegerstaffel? I'm very interested in the 'lost years'(at least to American historians) of 1919-1920, especially with regards to the former Jasta Aces and their activities. Any suggested readings in english? Happy Holidays, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/17/96 10:31 PM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > What is the most likely translation of 'Polizerflieger staffel'? The most likely translation of Polizeifliegerstaffel is something like Flying Police Squadron. There where established in post-war Germany because military aircraft was not allowed, so they tried civil (police) aircraft. Dietmar --=20 -------------------------------------------------=09 Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln E-Mail: breuer@itz-koeln.de Tel: 49 (0)221 - 49707 32 =09 Fax: 49 (0)221 - 49707 12 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 18:36:09 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: DeHavilland Avalanche Message-ID: <9611188509.AA850965010@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, I do know how to spell 'loan', I just wasn't paying attention! Merry Xmas Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: DeHavilland Avalanche Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/17/96 9:59 PM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Bill and Joey, > > Gee whiz, guys, thanks for the instant "Dehavilland Bombers of WWI" > volume. It will go a long way towards figuring out what (if anything) > I'll finally do with or to my AMT DH4B. I might *just* be able to make > a 9A out of it, since it most closely resembles this variant and will > probably require all new flying surfaces anyway. > Bill, I'm assuming the book is a loner. > > Seasoned Greetings, > > Riordan Riordan, Glad you liked the info. The book is a donation to library. Happy holidays, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:39:50 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Message-ID: <1996Dec18.163105.1155.938645@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> I was looking over Scott Head's overview on lozenge fabric and noticed that he's illustrated the diagonal application with a Fokker D.VII wing, - is this generally how D.VII's were covered or was the spanwise or cordwise more common to this type. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:44:14 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: seat belts? Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Riordan Goodwin wrote: > Anyone have a video of "Aces High"? Never seen it, but have seen it > mentioned in an Osprey book. I have seen, and I think I have somewhere in the house, the following flicks: Blue Max (I'm sure I don't have this one but have seen it a couple of times. Did I hear someone mention it having a lozenged Fokker Tripe?) Von Richtofen and Brown (Weird film, to my mind) Zeppelin (I enjoyed this one. Were those really Se5a's attacking the Zep at the end of the film?) Aces High (Nicest one of the lot, I think. Many good RFC mess songs. Are these songs authentic?) BTW one of these films had a scene wherein the RFC pilot was in a dogfight. I think his gun jammed and he was trapped. What he did was to play possum. He landed on a field and played dead. The enemy plane (can't remember if it was a single or two seater) landed nearby and the occupant(s)ran to see what became of their victim. At this point the RFC pilot suddenly took off, escaping from this sticky situation. This was a recreation of an actual encounter right? Who was the pilot? I think the scene is also out of "Aces High". ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:09:38 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Message-ID: <01BBEDB6.45EE5A60@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi >I was looking over Scott Head's overview on lozenge fabric and noticed that >he's illustrated the diagonal application with a Fokker D.VII wing, - is this >generally how D.VII's were covered or was the spanwise or cordwise more >common to this type. My bet is that Scott has this wrong. There may be an isolated case of diagonal application, but my bet is that the overwhelming majority are chordwise. In fact, Dan San Abbot says in a lengthy article on D.VII covering practices in WW1 Aero Dec 1984 "There is NO photographic evidence to support chordwise or biased constructed wing covers on Fok D.VII machines. All photographs show chordwise construction by all three manufacturers" Setting aside Dans tendency to the occasional sweeping statement, I can find nothing to cntradict him. regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:34:09 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Check the markings on this one Message-ID: <199612190434.XAA22817@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:42 PM 12/18/96 -0500, Peter Kilduff wrote: >> MERRY CHRISTMAS >>>> >>>> $f dF , >>>> .,,,... :$L ;$ ,dP >>>> ,!!!!!!!',cd$$$$$e, q 4$f,$$,z$" >>>> ,!!!!!!!',c$$$$$$$$$$$$c `$o`$$kuC3$$ .zf >>>> ,!!!!!!!',c$$$$$$P**""**?$c R$beeF?$$$$$" >>>> ;!!!!!!! c$$$$$$",eed$$F"?t" "$$$$bd$$$" >>>> ;!!!!!!!.d$$$$$F j"j$3$bf""?b?e, '$$$$$$P" >>>> !!!!!!: $$$$$$P J,f ,d$$b?$bde`$c .$k'$b >>>> !!!!!!!> $$$$F".$$".u$$??P}"""^ ?$$c. d$$$$$dd$$$$$> >>>> `!!!!! ?L e$$ $$$$$P'zee^"$$$$boc"$$, R$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>>> '!!! z$$$$$c,"$P'd$$F'zdbeereee$$$$$eu "??$$$$PF" >>>> Mn !! d$$$$$$$$ee z$P",d$$$$$$c?$$$$$$$$C '!!!::::!!!> >>>> MMM ,cec, '^$$$$$$$$$c,",e$$C?$$$$$$bc?$$$$$$$k !!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> MMM'.$$$$$$$, ?$$$$$$$$P$$$$$$$bc?T$$$$$$d$$$$$$$ . -.`!!!!!!! >>>> nMM d$$$$$$$F $$P???",e4$$$$$$$$bcc?$$$$$$$$$$$$ /~:.!!!!!!!!! >>>> n. 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'''` ...:::!!!!!! $$$.?$b'!!!> >>>> $$$$$$$$$$$beee@$$$$$$$$ ..:::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3$$b ?$c`!!! >>>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$f .::!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! d$$$$`$$b !!! >>>> $$$$$$$$$$$"3$$$$$$$$$":!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$$$$,$$$k !!! >>>> $$$$$$$$$P,d$$$$$$$$F !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3$$$$$ $$$i`!!! 3> >>>> $$$$$$F$Fz$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! d$$$$$h`$$$,!!! $& >>>> $$$$$FJFx$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'4$$$$$$$ 9$$$.'.$$$L >>>> $$$$$ F.$$$$$$$$F.r !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$$$$$$F ?$$$e$$$$F >>>> $$$$F .$$$$$$$$"d$$bu,,.```''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'''''`,d$$$$$$$F.! ?$$$$$$F >>>> $$$$F d$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$bc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ccd$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!f ?$$$$" >>>> "$$$e$$$$$$$$&'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!> $P" >>>> `"?$$$$$$$$$e`?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!' >>>> `?$$$$$$$$$$e `""**???$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P***""..:!!' >>>> "?$$$$$$$$k`!!!!!!;;;;;;::,,,...... ,,,,,;;!!!!!!!!!! >>>> ""???"" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: >>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.> `!!!!!!!!!'''!!!!' >>>> :i !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> .``''`.,uu,,.```. >>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~` d$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$> >>>> c.`~~~~~!!!!!:.. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>>> $$$$$eeeeeeeuuuee$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" >>>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"........... >>>> ?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P" '!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> .."""""""""".: !!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> :!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `!!!!!!!!!!!' >>>> i!!!!!!!!!!!!!' !!!!!!!!!!!':: >>>> :!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!:!!:. >>>> !!!!!!!!!!'!!! . `!!!!!!!!!!!!`... >>>> `!!!!!!!! -'`` !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:: >>>> !!!!!!!!!i!!!: `~~~~~```~~~~~~~~~~~~` >>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >>>> ```'!!!!!!!'``::.. >>>> `!!!!!!!!!!!' >>>> ````` Peter You have way too much time on your hands!!!!!!!!!!! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:20:09 -0500 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Message-ID: <9612190001.aa26665@mail.iapc.net> >My bet is that Scott has this wrong. There may be an isolated case of >diagonal application, but my bet is that the overwhelming majority are >chordwise. In fact, Dan San Abbot says in a lengthy article on D.VII > covering practices in WW1 Aero Dec 1984 Hi Shane and everyone else! I didn't check references for the Fokker wing, but estute readers of the article may discover that I "borrowed" Aeromaster's illustration from the lozenge decal instruction sheet, taking it for face value. If Fokker wings in general, and the D.VII specifically as the illustration depicts, were usually covered chordwise then I am indee wrong. In light of this, would it be a good idea to make it clear that it is only a representative illustration? I'd be willing to whip up a new illustration if it would help. Happy Holidays! Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:05:30 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Opinions on applying lozenge to D.VII Message-ID: <01BBEDC6.75D32520@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi Scott, >I didn't check references for the Fokker wing, but estute readers of the >article may discover that I "borrowed" Aeromaster's illustration from the >lozenge decal instruction sheet, taking it for face value. Hence the half joking appelation for that company "Errormaster" FWIW I don't blame you using the illustrations which do at least show what they are meant to show, even if they are misleading. >In light of this, would it >be a good idea to make it clear that it is only a representative >illustration? I'd be willing to whip up a new illustration if it would >help. Naah, no new diagram, just a line of text warning the viewer not to assume that this is how that type of aircraft was usually covered. >Happy Holidays! And to you. And a thanks for the pleasure I've derived from your web page - more, more ! Shane Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) | IPMS/USA #32841 | "I love cats... IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum | they taste just like chicken!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:10:44 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Check the markings on this one Message-ID: <01BBEDC7.30CAEA20@pc087b.mim.com.au> At 07:42 PM 12/18/96 -0500, Peter Kilduff wrote: >> MERRY CHRISTMAS (and a picture of a Jolly Gentleman with a bag of Eduard, Blue Max and Aeroclub kits for me ) Mike Replies >Peter > You have way too much time on your hands!!!!!!!!!!! >Mike Muth Yeah, you're right, he SHOULD be busy researching the next book he's writing or what the heck will Santa get me NEXT year Shane` ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:27:58 +0100 From: Dietmar Breuer To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <32B8E06E.1F56@itz-koeln.de> Bill Shatzer wrote: >=20 > Was Mueller Bavarian? A quick check shows Mueller with Jasta 2 and > Jasta 28 which were, respectively, Prussian and Wurttemberger Jastas. >=20 Yes, he was Bavarian. He was born Rottenburg an der Laaber, a small town between Munich and Regensburg in Bavaria. In total there were 11 (bavarian) pilots who received the "Militaer Max-Joseph-Orden" and the title Ritter. At least one pilot, Ritter Adolph von Tutschek, received the decoration before he joined the bavarian air force. --=20 -------------------------------------------------=09 Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln E-Mail: breuer@itz-koeln.de Tel: 49 (0)221 - 49707 32 =09 Fax: 49 (0)221 - 49707 12 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 366 *********************