WWI Digest 365 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI Aircraft Longevity by bciciora@wwa.com 2) RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by "Valenciano . Jose" 3) RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by "Valenciano . Jose" 4) Re: Info request by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 5) Re: Nowarra's Dr.I book by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) Re: Info request by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 7) Re: Info request by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 8) double wire rigging by "Valenciano . Jose" 9) Request by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 10) Re: Info request by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Re[2]: Info request by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) DeHavilland Avalanche by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Re: Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Re[2]: Info request by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Re: Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by "Valenciano . Jose" 17) Re: double wire rigging by Hirohisa Ozaki 18) Re: Request by "Valenciano . Jose" 19) Re: seat belts? by "Ray Boorman" 20) Re: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by "Ray Boorman" 21) Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel by "Shelley Goodwin" 22) Re: double wire rigging by eswaim@aristotle.net (Edward Swaim) 23) Re: DeHavilland Avalanche by Bill Bacon 24) Re: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel by Carlos Valdes 25) Re: Nowarra's Dr.I book by Erik Pilawskii 26) Re: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel by Dietmar Breuer 27) Re: Info request by Dietmar Breuer 28) Re: seat belts? by "Valenciano . Jose" 29) Re: double wire rigging by "Valenciano . Jose" 30) Re: Info request by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 31) RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine by lothar@ncw.net (mark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 13:06 CST From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Aircraft Longevity Message-ID: Bill Shatzer wrote: >Yet, 20 plus victories in a _single- aircraft? While certainly possible, >it does seem unlikely that a single WWI aircraft could last long enough >for 20 plus victories. _Above the Trenches_ shows ALL of Barker's 40+ victories being scored in Camel B6313 (excepting the ones scored in his last dogfight). The machine was retired on 2 October 1918, with over 400 hours on it. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 06:59:33 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Thomas Eisenhour wrote: > Regarding the Gotha G.V, how would you keep long span vac-formed wings > from sagging? I've got the Sierra AEG G. bomber. Wings are made up already. I don't thing they'll sag on the model. Befor I glued the wing halves together they really flapped around. Gluing them together really put rigidity into the wing. Maybe the Gotha will be the same. And remember, support for this plane doesn't come from the wingroot but from the points where the engines mount, that's where the wheels are positioned. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:07:07 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Sandy Adam wrote: > Lets have a "Tinside" too (- especially in that lovely PC10 and linen) What's a "Tinside"? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:35:59 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <19961217.193453.4447.13.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:15:55 -0500 Carlos Valdes writes: > I'm trying to put together a presentation for the OTF > Gergia chapter and need some information on the black > painted aircraft of Eduard von Schleich. Could anyone with > access to photos, profiles, or descriptions contact me? > TIA. Harleyford's book _Air Aces of the 1914-1918 War_ has a picture of him standing next to his D.V *before* it was painted black. If this picture is of the same a/c, then be aware that he left the headrest on. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:35:59 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Nowarra's Dr.I book Message-ID: <19961217.193453.4447.11.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:51:47 -0500 Rob writes: > I've often wondered how much of this sort of thing is due > to sloppy editorial practices at Squadron/Signal, rather > than carelessness on the author's part. Typesetting of > the MS and captioning of the photos could well be done > after the author's final draft has been received. Much as > I enjoy Squadron books, their production values have been > terrible. I for one tend to use the S/S books for nothing but the pictures. There are too many In Action books just covered with errors (right, Erik? ;-)). Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:35:59 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <19961217.193452.4447.10.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:15:49 -0500 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: > Yet, I think I'll wait a bit before subjecting myself to > the noodle lashing. Twenty victories in a single aircraft > seems a stretch to me - not impossible, certainly, but a > definite stretch. Well, Jacobs is believed to score around 30 (if memory serves) on Triplanes alone. Yes, I know he had more than one, so I'm not sure if this counts. ;-) I'll have to see if I have a kill list with each machine listed. Anybody have _Over the Trenches_ that can check for me? (Oh, Mark, that's Fokker Triplanes ;-)) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:35:59 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <19961217.193453.4447.12.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:15:55 -0500 Carlos Valdes writes: > I'm trying to put together a presentation for the OTF > Gergia chapter and need some information on the black > painted aircraft of Eduard von Schleich. Could anyone with > access to photos, profiles, or descriptions contact me? > TIA. Although nothing on markings, he is in _Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I_, Volume II - The Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Prussia. Unfortunately, this is all I've found. Have you tried Dan San Abbott's service? This could help. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:51:45 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: double wire rigging Message-ID: Hi all, A query here: I was wondering how all of us rig those double/parallel wires. Sometimes found in the wing (landing/flying wires) rigging. How do you get the lines exactly parallel to each other (especially on 1/72 models!). I've never had to rig double wires before. I built a DML Spad 13 but since the double wires were supposed to be wrapped in fabric I cut a strip of acetate to simulate this. If I drill 2 holes side by side for each wire they'd be too far apart. Any ideas? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:53:52 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Request Message-ID: <19961217.195315.4447.17.mbittner@juno.com> Does anybody have any plans for the two-aircraft, German "hanger" tents? I guess there was one company that made *a lot* of these two a/c tents, and I'm looking for more info, including plans. TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:29:47 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <199612180329.AA28762@ednet1.orednet.org> Matt wrote: >Well, Jacobs is believed to score around 30 (if memory >serves) on Triplanes alone. Yes, I know he had more than >one, so I'm not sure if this counts. ;-) I'll have to see >if I have a kill list with each machine listed. Anybody >have _Over the Trenches_ that can check for me? (Oh, Mark, >that's Fokker Triplanes ;-)) Jacobs had at least two Fokker tripes - 450/17 and 470/17. There are hints of others but these are the only two that I could document with a quick search. Anyone got a copy of "Above the Lines" who could provide more definitive information? (Anyone got a copy of "Above the Lines" they'd like to sell??) Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 19:03:24 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Info request Message-ID: <9611178508.AA850880410@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, Begging your pardon, but I think the operative phrase was 'in this aircraft' Schleich scored 20 victories. I'm under the impression he flew more than one 'plane...and the accurracy of my response is only as good as my 36 year-old reference :-(. Maybe Peter would care to sort this out for us? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Info request Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/16/96 9:52 PM Riordan diligently typed: > > "Haupt. Eduard Ritter Von Schleich became the leader of Jasta 21 in > May, 1917 and carried as his personal marking a brown Bavarian lion on > a circular blue and white diamond backgound; this was carried between > ribbon and cross, in addition a small eight-pointed star was carried > between the cross and the tailplane leading edge. In (this) > D.V...Schleich scored some 20 victories, -snips- I fear you do not give von Schleich full credit as all the references I have credit him with 35, not "some 20" confirmed victories. Still, as he eventually ended up as a confirmed Nazi during the '30s, perhaps he deserves to have 10 or so victories knocked off his record. -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 19:39:01 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <9611178508.AA850880429@mx.Ricochet.net> Tom, Submitted for your approval: First of all, the Halberstadt is rare; we haven't all 'been & done it'. Secondly, it has some groovy schemes and doesn't require lozenge. Third, you must admit it has character. Fourth, it was an important transistional aircraft between the Fokker monoplanes and the Albatrosen. Fifth and perhaps least important it was flown by MvR himself. IMHO, any one of the above is probably reason enough, but I think #s 1 - 3 are what cinch it for me. And then there's the added bonus of a simply shaped fuselage which lends itself to scratching... Happy Holidays, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 12/17/96 5:17 AM Shane wrote: >Well *I* have the book since last Friday, and looking through that collection of butt ugly suckers it beats me why everyone wants one *now*. Right on, bro! I don't understand why everyone is getting so excited about that misshapen airplane. Would someone tell me WHAT is so great about the Halberstadt? Regarding the Gotha G.V, how would you keep long span vac-formed wings from sagging? Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 19:24:15 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: DeHavilland Avalanche Message-ID: <9611178508.AA850880420@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill and Joey, Gee whiz, guys, thanks for the instant "Dehavilland Bombers of WWI" volume. It will go a long way towards figuring out what (if anything) I'll finally do with or to my AMT DH4B. I might *just* be able to make a 9A out of it, since it most closely resembles this variant and will probably require all new flying surfaces anyway. Bill, I'm assuming the book is a loner. Seasoned Greetings, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:07:49 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <961217230747_1921093767@emout08.mail.aol.com> Besides, it's easy to both the DII and DIII by including the option of either the Mercedes or the Argus engine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:18:31 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Info request Message-ID: <199612180418.AA17974@ednet1.orednet.org> Riorodan wrote: >Bill, > >Begging your pardon, but I think the operative phrase was 'in this aircraft' >Schleich scored 20 victories. I'm under the impression he flew more than one >'plane...and the accurracy of my response is only as good as my 36 year-old >reference :-(. >Maybe Peter would care to sort this out for us? Ok, Ok! That wet sloshing sound you hear is me publicly flagellating myself with a wet noodle! :-) Cheers and happy holidays, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:23:09 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[4]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > First of all, the Halberstadt is rare; we haven't all 'been & done it'. > Secondly, it has some groovy schemes and doesn't require lozenge. Third, you > must admit it has character. Fourth, it was an important transistional aircraft > between the Fokker monoplanes and the Albatrosen. Fifth and perhaps least > important it was flown by MvR himself. Sixth, ugly is beautiful. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 14:24:41 JST From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: double wire rigging Message-ID: <9612180524.AA13944@sun01.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Joey, I know one idea but I have not used yet. 1) Make a small ring which roll and twist thin enamel wire to 0.3mm drill pin. 2) Cut off lead short, and cement ring to hole which open on wing surface. 3) Tie wires through rings. I saw 1/72 Airfix AVRO504K photographs that complete rigging used this way. It looks good. HTH. Cheers, Hiro. > >Hi all, > >A query here: > >I was wondering how all of us rig those double/parallel wires. Sometimes >found in the wing (landing/flying wires) rigging. > >How do you get the lines exactly parallel to each other (especially on >1/72 models!). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:28:30 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Request Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Matthew E Bittner wrote: > Does anybody have any plans for the two-aircraft, German > "hanger" tents? I guess there was one company that made > *a lot* of these two a/c tents, and I'm looking for more > info, including plans. I wanna know about these tents too. Are these the same tent as drawn in "Aricraft Archive" vol.3? I have this but I forgot what the book actually called the fabric hanger-tents. Another thing, what colors were they painted/dyed in? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:06:47 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: , "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: seat belts? Message-ID: <199612180530.VAA21059@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Windsock Vol 10 #6 has color photos on the inside cover of wwi seatbelts. In fact about twenty years ago I read a book by J E Johnson (The Fighter ace from the next War) Called Full Circle. The book has a chapter on Oswald Boelcke. Which states that Boelcke might have survived the crash that killed him if his seat belt had been fastened? I guess that goes down as one of the first deaths from not buckling up! Another reference I have is somewhat amusing. In "British Fighter Units Western front 1914-1916 (Osprey)". On page 5 it relates the story of a Captain Louis Strange who in the heat of combat reached up to change an Ammo Drum on his Lewis gun. Since the drum was stuck, he stood up and his seat belt slipped, at just that moment the stick which was wedged between his knees came loose and the plane went into a spin with the pilot now hanging from the cockpit gripping the drum which he hoped would stay stuck. Anyway after a struggle he managed to clamber back in and land. I'd say that was definatly his lucky day. Ray Boorman ---------- > From: Franco Poloni > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: seat belts? > Date: Tuesday, December 17, 1996 10:07 AM > > Greetings All > Last night I was building my Gotha, and I wonder: > did WWI aircraft have seat belt?? > Probably this is a silly question, but I started to look to my references,= > well, > no photo of seats... > Probably the gunners, or the observer , could not be secured, but the= > pilots?? > And what about the fighter pilots?? > How could they manage with acrobatics?? > Cheers > Franco > > p.s. Do not ROTFL please...:=B0)=20 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:17:38 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <199612180530.VAA21062@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> Tinside I think is a Martinsyde Elephant. Which along with a Bristol Fighter would be very Nice thankyou! Ray Boorman ---------- > On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Sandy Adam wrote: > > > Lets have a "Tinside" too (- especially in that lovely PC10 and linen) > Joey Valenciano replied > What's a "Tinside"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 21:49:54 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel Message-ID: <9611178508.AA850888339@mx.Ricochet.net> QsOTW: Anyone have the 1/48 Aeromaster D.VII sheet with the B&W octagonal dog face marking? if so, what are the liner notes & scheme for this 'plane? What is the most likely translation of 'Polizerflieger staffel'? Scrappy Holidays Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:57:11 -0600 From: eswaim@aristotle.net (Edward Swaim) To: wwi Subject: Re: double wire rigging Message-ID: <199612180557.XAA05221@aristotle.net> >I was wondering how all of us rig those double/parallel wires. Sometimes >found in the wing (landing/flying wires) rigging. > >Joey Valenciano I've only rigged five planes, but with my rudementary skills I did the 1/48 Lindberg SE5A double wires. I made small dimples in the underside of the wing with a drill, but glued the lower wing's wires directly on its surface at the strut or wing root. Using thinly stretched, black sprue, I white-glued a wire in place, let it dry, then glued its twin in. The hot nail trick tightens them right up. (Now, I'm not yet worrying about scale thicknesses, dead-on accurate attachment points, etc.) Edward Swaim Little Rock, Arkansas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:59:48 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: DeHavilland Avalanche Message-ID: <32B78854.31A5@netjava.net> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Bill and Joey, > > Gee whiz, guys, thanks for the instant "Dehavilland Bombers of WWI" > volume. It will go a long way towards figuring out what (if anything) > I'll finally do with or to my AMT DH4B. I might *just* be able to make > a 9A out of it, since it most closely resembles this variant and will > probably require all new flying surfaces anyway. > Bill, I'm assuming the book is a loner. > > Seasoned Greetings, > > Riordan Riordan, Glad you liked the info. The book is a donation to library. Happy holidays, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 01:19:44 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel Message-ID: <32B78D00.47D1@conted.gatech.edu> Here's the exact wording: Fokker D VII of Polizflieger Staffel, Post WWI entire fuselage and heel covers Grey-Green (RLM 02?). Upper, lower, axle wing and horizontal stabilizer are 4 or 5 color lozenge camouflage fabrc. Fin and rudder White. Struts are Dark Green. As for the unit name, how about Flying Police Unit? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:23:35 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nowarra's Dr.I book Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Matthew E Bittner wrote: > I for one tend to use the S/S books for nothing but the > pictures. There are too many In Action books just covered > with errors (right, Erik? ;-)). > Don't get me started!! Danged morons!... Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "The Squadron/Signal series of 'In Action' books are not to be set aside lightly; they should be thrown down with great force!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:31:27 +0100 From: Dietmar Breuer To: wwi Subject: Re: Dog face D.VII/Polizerflieger staffel Message-ID: <32B78FBF.5277@itz-koeln.de> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > What is the most likely translation of 'Polizerflieger staffel'? The most likely translation of Polizeifliegerstaffel is something like Flying Police Squadron. There where established in post-war Germany because military aircraft was not allowed, so they tried civil (police) aircraft. Dietmar --=20 -------------------------------------------------=09 Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln E-Mail: breuer@itz-koeln.de Tel: 49 (0)221 - 49707 32 =09 Fax: 49 (0)221 - 49707 12 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:41:24 +0100 From: Dietmar Breuer To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <32B79214.2DAB@itz-koeln.de> Shelley Goodwin wrote: >=20 > Carlos, >=20 > "Haupt. Eduard Ritter Von Schleich became the leader of Jasta 21 i= n > May, 1917 and carried as his personal marking a brown Bavarian lio= n on > a circular blue and white diamond backgound; this was carried betw= een > ribbon and cross, in addition a small eight-pointed star was carri= ed > between the cross and the tailplane leading edge.=20 Hi all, I found something interesting about his name. Eduard Schleich was renamed as Eduard Ritter von Schleich when he received the bavarian "Militaer Max-Joseph Orden" in June 1918. Part of this decoration was the title Ritter (knight). I remember two other bavarian pilots who received it and changed names: Ritter Max von Mueller and Ritter ??? von Greim. Dietmar --=20 -------------------------------------------------=09 Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln E-Mail: breuer@itz-koeln.de Tel: 49 (0)221 - 49707 32 =09 Fax: 49 (0)221 - 49707 12 ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:34:43 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: seat belts? Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Ray Boorman wrote: > Another reference I have is somewhat amusing. In "British Fighter Units > Western front 1914-1916 (Osprey)". On page 5 it relates the story of a > Captain Louis Strange who in the heat of combat reached up to change an > Ammo Drum on his Lewis gun. Since the drum was stuck, he stood up and his > seat belt slipped, at just that moment the stick which was wedged between > his knees came loose and the plane went into a spin with the pilot now > hanging from the cockpit gripping the drum which he hoped would stay > stuck. Anyway after a struggle he managed to clamber back in and land. I'd > say that was definatly his lucky day. But he was reprimanded by his superiors for damaging the cockpit as he tried to kick/hook his feet back into the cockpit. BTW, this scene was recreated in the film "Aces High" right? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:29:46 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: double wire rigging Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: > I know one idea but I have not used yet. > > 1) Make a small ring which roll and twist thin enamel wire to 0.3mm drill pin. > 2) Cut off lead short, and cement ring to hole which open on wing surface. > 3) Tie wires through rings. Hi Hiro, I can't fully understand your instructions. But let me try to "interpret" what you said. Do you mean that I should glue "O" rings halfway into the attachment points (half imbedded and the other half protruding) and thread rigging wire through it? That way the double wires will be spaced as far apart as the diameter of the "O" ring. Is this what you meant? Please clarify. Your idea sounds interesting. (If my interpretation of your instructions is NOT what you really meant then well, at least it made me think up another way to rig double wires!) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:23:57 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Info request Message-ID: <199612180823.AA09507@ednet1.orednet.org> Dietmar wrote: >Hi all, >I found something interesting about his name. >Eduard Schleich was renamed as Eduard Ritter von Schleich when he >received the bavarian "Militaer Max-Joseph Orden" in June 1918. Part of >this decoration was the title Ritter (knight). I remember two other >bavarian pilots who received it and changed names: Ritter Max von >Mueller and Ritter ??? von Greim. Oblt. Robert von Greim, 28 victories - CO of Jasta 34b und Jagdgruppe "von Greim" (Jgr 10). Was Mueller Bavarian? A quick check shows Mueller with Jasta 2 and Jasta 28 which were, respectively, Prussian and Wurttemberger Jastas. Cheers and seasons greetings, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re^2: Halberstadt Fighter - dream machine Message-ID: <199612180836.AAA13753@concord.televar.com> > >Right on, bro! I don't understand why everyone is getting so excited >about that misshapen airplane. Would someone tell me WHAT is so great >about the Halberstadt? OK.... 1.) Significant EARLY war type, of which there are always too few kits. 2.) First biplane fighter in wide use by the Germans. 3.) Major Central Powers fighter in the Mid East theater. 4.) It's as ugly as yer grandmother without her teeth... 5.) NO LOZENGE! and best of all... 5.) It's not another freakin' Fokker DVII or DrI!!!!!!!! Mark ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 365 *********************