WWI Digest 341 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: a question with (Re: Minicraft letter) by John Huggins 2) Re: a question with (Re: Minicraft letter) by "Valenciano . Jose" 3) Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters by DavidL1217@aol.com 4) Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals by DavidL1217@aol.com 5) Re: Minicraft letter) by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) Re: cross posting query by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 7) Re: IPNS-UK Nats by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 8) Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 9) r.m.s. by meba@cso.com 10) Naval Escadrille N.313 and Nieuport No. 6 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 11) Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 12) Re: r.m.s. by aew (Allan Wright) 13) Re: r.m.s. by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 14) Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters by Simon Bosworth 15) Re: r.m.s. by Rob 16) Monday, 27 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 17) Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals by Rob 18) Windsock Halberstadt Fighters by Graham Nash 19) Re: r.m.s. by Erik Pilawskii 20) Turkey Day by Bill Bacon 21) Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber by roger belanger 22) 1/72 Vacform Techniques by Bob Norgren 23) RE: r.m.s. by Shane Weier 24) RE: r.m.s. by Shane Weier 25) Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber by Bob Norgren 26) Re: Your Catalog by Bob Norgren 27) Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals by Bob Norgren 28) Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 29) Re: IPNS-UK Nats by "Valenciano . Jose" 30) Re: r.m.s. by "Valenciano . Jose" 31) RE: r.m.s. by Charles Stephanian 32) RE: r.m.s. by Erik Pilawskii 33) Re: Your Catalog by "Valenciano . Jose" 34) RE: r.m.s. by Rob 35) Re: IPNS-UK Nats by DavidL1217@aol.com 36) Re: Your Catalog by DavidL1217@aol.com 37) Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters (ADV) by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:24:46 -0600 (CST) From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: a question with (Re: Minicraft letter) Message-ID: Gentlemen, I will be signing off the list for the next 10 days, as I will be in England and Scotland. I won't be back till the 6th of Dec and won't be on the computer untill the 10th at the earliest. I will be at the IPNS-UK Nats Sat & Sun, and then on into Scotland. I will post any info about WWI items I can find while on the road. Due to the time delay, most of what I have to report may have been passed on from some one who has access earlier than myself. If you are going to be at the Nats, I will be hanging out around the Pocket Bound/Emhar stand. I should not be too hard to find. My head is on upside down (The top is empty and the bottom is covered with hair), I will probably appear to be very lost as this will be my first trip, and if that fails, I will probably have a name badge on. I'll be back in 10 days. John Huggins Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:58:32 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: a question with (Re: Minicraft letter) Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: > BTW, I often read "For Sale" article on this list, I think it useful. > To the contrary, we can post "Want to Buy" article on this list? Post away! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:07:44 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters Message-ID: <961127000743_1117958050@emout05.mail.aol.com> Good! I look forward to receiving mine in the mail soon. By the way Graham, are you in the US/Canada or the UK? This should help me set my calendar. Thanks for the low-down. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:18:42 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals Message-ID: <961127001841_1984853821@emout05.mail.aol.com> Bob, it's great to have a manufacturer on board! Please send me a catalogue: David Layton 2009 Cedarmill Drive Chesterfield, MO 63017 As far as 1/72 subjects, How about : RE8, Albatros DII, Brisfit.. Obviously, we run the risk of Libra Models resurrecting their Brisfit and the fellow in the UK with the winged horse popping the other two on us but these are among the most overdue, deserving subjects out there. Seaplanes are still fertile ground. I have a couple of you vacs. YOur 1/72 kits have a "saddle" on the lower fuselage for the wing. Nice idea. Naturally, this needs to be filled in under the wing. Do you recommend Milliput? I would personally like to see a piece provided, Milliput's expensive you know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 05:51:32 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Minicraft letter) Message-ID: <19961127.045021.4447.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:37:10 -0500 Hirohisa Ozaki writes: > I just send air mail to Minicraft, from Japan. I like > 1/48th kit mainly, but do not dislike 1/72th well. Great, thanks Hirohisa!! > Did you send order Czechmaster *1/48th* the Halberstadt > D.II?, Matt:-) No, I said I would help out with a letter writing campaign. Sorry, but the budget doesn't allow me to buy 1/48th scale. :-( ;-) > BTW, I often read "For Sale" article on this list, I think > it useful. To the contrary, we can post "Want to Buy" > article on this list? Post away. Since Sierra Scale is on the list, now, maybe they'll see what we're clamoring for, and make it. Sure, injected would be nice, but when the subject comes from *the* premier vac company, who's to complain? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 05:51:32 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: cross posting query Message-ID: <19961127.045021.4447.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:33:23 -0500 "Valenciano . Jose" writes: > When will this new FAQ be up? I'm still waiting on the information. I have the "stuff" on the virtual OtF chapter, but none of the other subscribe information. Can someone please email this to me, so I can get it? If I get this information sometime this week, then expect the FAQ next Monday (since this weekend is a US holiday). And to all those US list members: Happy Thanksgiving! I for one have a lot to be thankful for (the CM Pfalz Dr.I I'm getting from John Roll, is on the top of the list :-)). Matt mbittner@juno.com cb: Pegasus Roland D.II nu: Eduard Albatros D.V stinnf: Revell Nieuport 17 (OK, here's how I'm going to change this. 'cb' is 'currently building'; 'nu' is 'next up'; 'stinnf' is 'some time in the near future') nr: Still muddling through the NASM Albatros book, as well as the Morane-Saulnier N,I,V Datafile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 06:50:59 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPNS-UK Nats Message-ID: <1996Nov27.065012.1155.890414@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> If you are going to be at the Nats, I will be hanging out around the Pocket Bound/Emhar stand. If anyone happens to walk by the Emhar stand ask them when/if they are going to do the British Mark I tank in 1/35. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 06:56:25 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber Message-ID: <1996Nov27.065546.1155.890423@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Does anyone have the address for distributor for the 6 mil ceramic rigging fiber; I have the original package, instructions and top advising costs is $4.95 but no address is given anywhere on the printed material. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 06:59:49 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: r.m.s. Message-ID: <199611270659.GAA25454@cso.com> There has been plenty of "talk" lately of people building WW1 kits on rec.models.scale. I'm thinking of posting the FAQ there, to try and drum up interest in our list. However, I also feel that if I do it, we're bound to get some rather "unpleasant" folks in these parts. So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to r.m.s.? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 07:34:49 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Naval Escadrille N.313 and Nieuport No. 6 Message-ID: <1996Nov27.073357.1155.890538@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> After the two postings from Mike and Matt, I looked again at the Nieuport 17 in Nieuport Aircraft of WWI (on page 28) and the French naval mechanic is holding, in his right hand a tin petro or oil can and has a tin funnel in his right hand. I 'painted' the black raven by initially drawing it on the side of the fuselage in pencil and after I was happy with the general outline I filled it in using the Micron 005 waterproof pen. After the ink dried, I highlighted the details on the raven in white. Until other photos of this aircraft (or others in N.313) I am not going to add the black cat and moon. I don't think, after studing the grey areas behind the mechanic that this aircraft carriered the cat/moon logo. Just behind the mechanic is a large '6' on the side of the fuselage (as well as on the top) and it does not appear that there are any other marking other than the raven and '6'. Saving decal scraps for the last 20 years has finally paid off; I was able to come up with several 6's that were the right size by rounding off the edges of a 6 in a Microscale set made for the Monogram Devastator . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 05:38:09 -0800 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals Message-ID: <199611271338.FAA15974@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> The decal sheet is Blue Rider BR 507: WWI Imperial Russian Airforce in 1/48 scale. The sheet has full or partial markings for 9 aircraft. Three - a Nie. 17C-1 and two SPAD VIIs - have the skull and crossbones markings. -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: r.m.s. Message-ID: <199611271416.JAA17433@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > There has been plenty of "talk" lately of people building WW1 > kits on rec.models.scale. I'm thinking of posting the FAQ there, > to try and drum up interest in our list. However, I also feel > that if I do it, we're bound to get some rather "unpleasant" > folks in these parts. > > So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to > r.m.s.? Sure, post it. You'd be surprised how "unpleasant" people seem to jyst "accidently" get deleted from this list. Must be a server feature! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:22:47 -0500 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re: r.m.s. Message-ID: <0033000001937829000002*@MHS> Matt, No. Steve H. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: r.m.s. Author: _wwi (SMTP.WWI) at SSWGATE Date: 11/27/96 7:26 AM There has been plenty of "talk" lately of people building WW1 kits on rec.models.scale. I'm thinking of posting the FAQ there, to try and drum up interest in our list. However, I also feel that if I do it, we're bound to get some rather "unpleasant" folks in these parts. So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to r.m.s.? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:46:28 -0600 From: Simon Bosworth To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters Message-ID: <329C5444.2B93@sparks.target.dhc.com> Graham Nash wrote: > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Its here! > > Sorry about that. > > Just to let you know that its now in the shops, so there's no need to > wait until after Christmas to get it. > > Contents > > Colour cover depicting Turkish D.V by Brian Knight > 7 Colour profiles (German) > Plans of D.II/D.III/D.V > British Technical report (which if you were to draw plans from the > photos you'd end up with the Eliptical lower wing plan that I've seen on > some of the older 1/72nd plans. > Drawings of 120 h.p. Argus > Tables detailing production orders and Ottoman Service Graham, can you let me know where I might get a copy of this Windsock pub. P.S if anyone is interested I just got a supply of .0056 steel wire, (and some .0017 copper). Thanks, Simon -- Simon Bosworth simon@sparks.target.dhc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:15:17 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: r.m.s. Message-ID: <9611270901.aa06433@scosysv.speechsys.com> You write: > So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to > r.m.s.? I say no. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:31:02 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 27 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329CA506.E82@host.dmsc.net> Rain in a.m. and clear enough for flying in p.m. Lectures in a.m. Wrote up some notes for the Major in p.m. Had my first flight in the class "Vol plane" and managed to land fairly close to circle on field where landing is supposed to be made. Letter from dear mother written from Norristown on the 7th. Wrote long letter to Helen Harper in late p.m. I wonder how much of a friend of hers I am. ******************************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:32:52 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals Message-ID: <9611270923.aa06654@scosysv.speechsys.com> Bob: You write: >Anyone who wants a current catalog can email their snail > address and I'll send it right out. Please send a catalog to Rob Johnson 647 Pratt St. Longmont, CO 80501 Also, do you have a Web site? If so, could you e-mail the URL and/or add my site to your links page? It is Chandelle, http://www.concentric.net/~rojo1 Thanks. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:58:43 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters Message-ID: <199611271820.AA27661@egate.citicorp.com> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Its here! > Sorry about that. Just to let you know that its now in the shops, so there's no need to wait until after Christmas to get it. Contents Colour cover depicting Turkish D.V by Brian Knight 7 Colour profiles (German) Plans of D.II/D.III/D.V British Technical report (which if you were to draw plans from the photos you'd end up with the Eliptical lower wing plan that I've seen on some of the older 1/72nd plans. Drawings of 120 h.p. Argus Tables detailing production orders and Ottoman Service Enjoy...:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: r.m.s. Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Allan Wright wrote: > > So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to > > r.m.s.? > > Sure, post it. You'd be surprised how "unpleasant" people seem to jyst > "accidently" get deleted from this list. Must be a server feature! > Ha ha ha ha ha ha! ROTFL! Well, indeed, a *considerably* skeptical eye need certainly be cast upon some of the members of R.M.S. It is a forum replete with buffoons, dunces, dolts, and cretins of every stripe. My initial reaction would be "Help, no!", as well. BUT, if Al's "software" will indeed function in this way, perhaps its worth a brief experiment. I mean, *someone* on that list might be interesting.... ;^/ Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:36:27 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: "World War I modeler's list" Subject: Turkey Day Message-ID: <329CA64B.61D2@netjava.net> To one and all, Happy Thanksgiving. To other than US members, we all have much to be thankful for so please join us in spirit. Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 02:29:28 -0500 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber Message-ID: <329BEDD8.14A9@concentric.net> Charles A. Duckworth wrote: > > Does anyone have the address for distributor for the 6 mil ceramic rigging > fiber; I have the original package, instructions and top advising costs is > $4.95 but no address is given anywhere on the printed material. Thanks. Yes on the ceramic rigging , it can be obtained fromPRECISION ENTERPRISES PO BOX 97 SPRINGFEILD VT.05156-0097 ROGER B.. -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:37:07 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: 1/72 Vacform Techniques Message-ID: <329C6E33.5A94@ne.infi.net> I have a couple of you vacs. YOur 1/72 kits have a "saddle" on the lower > fuselage for the wing. Nice idea. Naturally, this needs to be filled in > under the wing. Do you recommend Milliput? I would personally like to see a piece provided, Milliput's expensive you know. Good idea, hadn't thought of that. Lately I've designed kits that don't have the removed area from the fuselage underside, while still molding the lower wing in one piece so modelers have a choice of butt-joining (difficult to line up) or cutting out some or all of the cutout in the fuselage to accept the wing center section. One idea is cut out scrap wing center section in one or two "spars" and then you won't have to fill in the whole underside. This is assuming that the fuselage does not have the cutout...if it does, fill with scrap plastic and super glue. Perhaps others have better ideas. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:34:57 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: r.m.s. Message-ID: <01BBDCFE.A8EC8F60@pc087b.mim.com.au> Matt, >So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to >r.m.s.? I really, really hate to be elitist but for me, on balance, the answer is NO. r.m.s has had a tendency over all the time I've frequented it (2 years?) to combativeness and a certain amount of mean spirit - indeed nothing like this forum. However, I read it several times a week and *always* answer WW1 related posts by email. Several of our number now on, or at one time on, this list were then directed here by me. I'ms sure that other list members have done the same thing. The benefit this gets us is the opportunity to at least put in a line that says something like "friendliest, most helpful group on the net" thus getting the newcomer off to a good start. And if the r.m.s'er in question seems liable to be a pain in the butt you can make a judgement call and keep quiet about our nirvana, thus preserving the status quo at the risk of excluding a potential contributor. OTOH if the FAQ is posted on r.m.s we can expect a flood of newcomers(which I'd expect to be a rather small one based on perceivd interest in the general community), many of whom would leave shortly afterwards, having perhaps annoyed us somewhat. At least the lurkers about r.m.s would get an opportunity to lurk here as well, but my gut instinct is to forget them on the basis that we'd never know the difference !! A bit disjointed, but there you have me, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:35:55 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: r.m.s. Message-ID: <01BBDCFE.CABE65A0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hi Erik, > Ha ha ha ha ha ha! ROTFL! Well, indeed, a *considerably* skeptical eye >need certainly be cast upon some of the members of R.M.S. It is a forum >replete with buffoons, dunces, dolts, and cretins of every stripe. My >initial reaction would be "Help, no!", as well. Oh dear. Which of the categories do *I* come under ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:47:06 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber Message-ID: <329C708A.5F49@ne.infi.net> Charles A. Duckworth wrote: > > Does anyone have the address for distributor for the 6 mil ceramic rigging > fiber; I have the original package, instructions and top advising costs is > $4.95 but no address is given anywhere on the printed material. Thanks. Precision Enterprises Unlimited in Springfield, Vermont is the only source for this terrific stuff. PO Box 97F, Zip: 05156, Phone: 802-885-3094 Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:56:55 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: Your Catalog Message-ID: <329C72D7.70D3@ne.infi.net> > Are your kits all vac or are you getting into resin? > All vac, which is the perfect way to replicate light, delicate WWI aircraft with thin trailing edges and cockpit sidewalls. Lately I've toyed with the idea of having detailed fuselages, such as the Bre 14, cast in resin. Resin is unsuitable for wings, as it tends to respond to temperature fluctuations and warps, sometimes quite dramatically. I'm holding off on the Bre 14, as it really deserves an A-1 treatment with custom Microscale decals and all. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:59:14 +0000 From: Bob Norgren To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta and Russian WWI decals Message-ID: <329C7362.D16@ne.infi.net> Rob wrote: > > Also, do you have a Web site? Sorry, no web site yet. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:10:56 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: 6 mil Ceramic Rigging Fiber Message-ID: <1996Nov27.160458.1155.892389@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Bob thanks ordered before leaving from work - as info for FAQ postage on two packages is $3.00 great stuff for rigging 1/48th. NB: Nieuport 17 (finishing cockpit) NoB: SPAD A.2 NR: Back issues of Windsock & Fokker Triplane by Irmie.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:07:40 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: IPNS-UK Nats Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Charles A. Duckworth wrote: > If anyone happens to walk by the Emhar stand ask them when/if they are going > to do the British Mark I tank in 1/35. Complete with steering tail!! OR, the Mark V*! OR, their own series of "Never Fighting Ladies" ala Eduard: Little Willie Mother (they do have the Tadpole already) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:10:52 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: r.m.s. Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 meba@cso.com wrote: > So, I'll leave it up to the list; should I post our FAQ to > r.m.s.? I dunno about that, but what I do is I get to talk to the r.m.s. WWI modeler then invite him onto the list. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Stephanian To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: r.m.s. Message-ID: As a reader of both this list and r.m.s...I'm somewhat taken aback at the responses to this question. Please understand I really enjoy this list (as I also enjoy r.m.s.) and everyone who contributes, it is very helpful. However, the characterization of r.m.s. is beyond elitist. Given that r.m.s. has many more members, do people on this list really think "It is a forum replete with buffoons, dunces, dolts, and cretins of every stripe". Do people on this list really think that the ongoing "humour" of the scale war on this list is somehow more erudite than the humour on r.m.s. Give me a break! Why treat this list as a house that we keep all boarded up.....if what we want to do is communicate, share and help each other..open the door. What is so precious that someone who shares our same interest will ruin it? I often hear older modelers worry about where the next generation of modelers will come from, I'd argue that a "closed door" attitude will insure that the number of modelers (WWI, especially) will shrink. Post it. Soapbox open.... Charles Stephanian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: r.m.s. Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Shane Weier wrote: > > Ha ha ha ha ha ha! ROTFL! Well, indeed, a *considerably* skeptical eye > >need certainly be cast upon some of the members of R.M.S. It is a forum > >replete with buffoons, dunces, dolts, and cretins of every stripe. My > >initial reaction would be "Help, no!", as well. > > Oh dear. Which of the categories do *I* come under ;-) > Well, I should think that as a Balloon Scale victim...! ;^) Hee hee! Actually, perhaps the "Entirely outstanding yet affected by modeling- glandular-Disorder" variety. Oooh! Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you're not living Life on the edge, you're taking up too much room!" .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:32:41 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Your Catalog Message-ID: Way to go, Bob! On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Bob Norgren wrote: > I'm holding off on the Bre 14, as it really deserves an A-1 treatment > with custom Microscale decals and all. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:37:54 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: RE: r.m.s. Message-ID: <9611271624.ab02819@scosysv.speechsys.com> Charles Stephanian > As a reader of both this list and r.m.s...I'm somewhat taken aback at the > responses to this question. ... the characterization of r.m.s. is > beyond elitist....do people on this list really think "It is a > forum replete with buffoons, dunces, dolts, and cretins of every stripe". I'm not the one who said "dunce's," but I think Mr. S. may be taking the words a bit too seriously. This is a good example why I never broadcast insults even tongue in cheek (I prefer keeping them personal and precisely targeted ad hominem). One never knows who may overhear and how they'll take it. Be that as it may, I oppose posting the FAQ to RMS for the same reason I don't read RMS: the very much higher blather-to-useful information ratio on the news group. I personally find the scale wars silly to (at times) irritating, but those who enjoy it seem to keep a sense of proportion. I don't know why RMS has a much poorer mix of info and nonsense. But the fact remains that it does. And in my experience, higher message traffic (like we might get with a general influx of casual RMS posters) does not alter the signal-to-noise ratio for the better. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:40:38 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPNS-UK Nats Message-ID: <961127184037_806147638@emout16.mail.aol.com> Charlie, If you are going to UK Nats (Lucky Dog) . Let me know what you see at the Sky Birds '86 display. From what Mike Eacock has told me, he has some great stuff coming out in the "Master Scale" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:50:30 -0500 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Your Catalog Message-ID: <961127185030_2082692817@emout10.mail.aol.com> Bob, When you do the Bregeut 14, please include decals for one or two French subjects. With the upcoming book from Flying Machines Press (unsolicited ad), 1997 should be the "Year of the French". I would hope that you do a B2 variant and include les bombes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:33:14 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Halberstadt Fighters (ADV) Message-ID: Um, it's here too. $23.00 John Roll Graham said: >BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. 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