WWI Digest 339 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfalz D.VII/VIII (DH-4) by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 2) Re: cross postings by "Brian Bushe" 3) Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 4) Re: cross posting query by Rob 5) Cross Postings - Final Word by aew (Allan Wright) 6) Re: cross posting query by meba@cso.com 7) Re: cross posting query by meba@cso.com 8) Genet diaries by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) Minicraft letter by meba@cso.com 10) Re: Genet diaries by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 11) Re: Minicraft letter by Joseph Gentile 12) Re: Genet diaries by Joseph Gentile 13) Great War Tours by bciciora@wwa.com 14) Re: wood grain effect by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 15) Book Catalog by "ROGER BELANGER" 16) Re: Albert Ball's SE5 by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) Re: Genet diaries by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: Minicraft letter by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Re: Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 20) Tuesday, 21 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 21) Wednesday, 22 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 22) Thursday, 23 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 23) Re[2]: Minicraft letter by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) Friday, 24 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 25) Saturday, 25 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 26) Re: Minicraft letter by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 27) Re: Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 28) Military Light Railways by pdfoley@cujo.icom.ca (Peter Foley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 04:57:17 -0800 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.VII/VIII (DH-4) Message-ID: <199611251257.EAA05367@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Bill Shatzer wrote: > >Alas, the DH-4 molds were never updated and issued in either the K&B or >Aurora 700 series so we never got to see what Aurora really could have >done with these molds if they would have tried some serious fixes and all >that is available is the original 1957-66 moldings. We should be GRATEFUL that Aurora never "improved" the DH-4 mold as they did with the Nie. 11, Fok. D.VII, Gotha et al. with their sandblasted finish. In removing the decal location markings from the Camel they gave it an "area-ruled" fuselage (a la the F-105)! I can only hope that Glencoe will be gentler with the DH-4 mold. Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:56:20 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: cross postings Message-ID: <199611251300.NAA22779@itl.net> re: Re: cross postings I've just read a whole stcak of these cross postings and am pleased to see that I agree with the general consensus: keep the cross postings. With any list you get an amount of wasted mails. This group always strikes me as an unending conversation amongst people who just happen to be all over the world. The jokes, bits of history, and now serialised soap opera make this the most interesting group on the net despite the fact that it is on a subject that could be very dry and 'anorakish'. I would rather see the list grow not contract. But I do also agree that titling the cross postings (as Joe suggested and Peter has already started doing) is an easy solution. Brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:20:00 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 Message-ID: <1996Nov25.071906.1155.883627@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> While I was on track to finish my 1/48 Nieuport 17 with the Black Cat Escadrille markings, I made a 'U' turn after finding an old decal sheet with French naval anchors on it this weekend. I dug out my copy of Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by J. M. Bruce (published by Arms and Armour Press) and on page 28 is a Nieuport 17 assigned to a French Naval Escadrille (N.313) at Dunkerque with anchor insignia on rudder and two overwing Lewis guns (I had two Aeroclubs set aside for another project). The model is almost complete, except I need to verify the Escadrille logo, it appears to be a bird of prey (black Raven or Hawk in flight)? If anyone knows of a better source for a picture of the bird emblem, please pass me the source. I'm also assuming the bird is painted black with white accents if it's another color let me know. Thanks (brush in hand), Charlie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:05:17 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: cross posting query Message-ID: <9611250853.aa13159@scosysv.speechsys.com> Joseph R. Boeke writes: >... On a tangentially related issue, Allan is kindly providing space and time > for WWI & the web page. E-mail is not vapor, it does have a (sometimes > significant) physical component. Both WWI-L & WWI are archived and > searchable. All of us are technically literate enough to be able to earch > the archives of one or the other for items of interest. However, by cross > posting to both, we are taking up double the amount of bandwith and storage > space. This is not efficient... With all due respect, I continue to disagree. The present list provides a nice balance of material. If it were to change significantly, particularly to a narrowly "modeling-related" focus (whatever that may be), I for one would probably stop subscribing. I don't think anyone thinks e-mail lists are "vapor." I have managed an e-mail system too. This is in fact why I like the current list. I do not have to subscribe to the others (and would not, in all likelihood, even if the list did not exist), so I conserve my employer's resources and my home-provider disk quota. I have never had more than 50 messages (after a two-day illness) and only 3 or 4 of those were cross-postings. This hardly seems excessive. Perhaps people really need to consider how many lists they can afford to be on before they start to fuss about a couple of postings per day? Opinionatedly yours, Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:17:17 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Cross Postings - Final Word Message-ID: <199611251617.LAA09666@pease1.sr.unh.edu> O.K. The discussion on cross posting is oficially over. I'm invoking final word priviledges as list administrator in the interest if preventing anyone's feelings from getting singed my the flames that inevitably arise from a discussion like this. If you've yet to be heard on this subject I'm sorry you missed your oppertunity. We'll continue as-is for now. I'm not sure that's the concensus by numbers but it is at leas by emotion. Be warned however that I still see this as a MODELING list primarilly and wish to keep the focus there. Personal preferences aside I'm going with the lists wishes for now. Now, back to our regular productive posts! -Al N.B. Pegasus Sop. Dolphin, Aeroclub Briston Scout D, Roseplane Nieuport Tripe =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:32:34 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Re: cross posting query Message-ID: <199611251031.KAA21591@cso.com> On 24 Nov 96 at 22:55, Joseph R. Boeke typed diligantly: > Perhaps some bullets in the FAQ about what other WWI (and for > that matter modelling) resources are avialable in net land > would be useful? Sorry it took so long to respond. I was having difficulty with juno this weekend, so was unable to respond then (hi Erik! ;-)). I'm all for adding this information to the FAQ. However, instead of attaching the entire other list's FAQ, I would just like the info on how to subscribe, plus a three or four sentence blurb on what the list is about, and maybe what their goal is. Could someone email me this info for the "other" lists? Thanks! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:40:05 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Re: cross posting query Message-ID: <199611251039.KAA22158@cso.com> On 24 Nov 96 at 22:55, Joseph R. Boeke typed diligantly: > Perhaps, it would be a simple chore to label messages cross > posted from one list to another so that they can be quickly > dispensed with (I can use Eudora to filter them to different > mailboxes). Perhaps messages from WWI-L could be labeled with a > "WWI-L:" in the subject line, and from the OTF virtual chapter > with a "OTFVC" in the subject line? Whenever we come up with a consensus, I would like to add this to the FAQ. So folks, what's it gonna be? > P.S. I realize that I get more from this list than I give > back (at least right now), so I appreciate it (and Allan) very > much. For me this is not about limiting the list, but making > it a more effecient tool. This list is - IMNSHO - one of the best on the 'net, and surely the best modeling forum. There are no spams, and everybody appears to respect everybody else. The only downfall (which is mostly funny stuff) is the "scale war". Although I'm the least gulity on this list , I hope it doesn't turn too many people off. BTW, I "surfed" over to the IPMS USA page, and email the owner they need to add a link direct to Al's page. Heck, if they have a link to Luftwaffe WW2 stuff, then they *have* to link to WW1. The last thing we need is to be over ridden by those blasted 109 thingies. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:38:00 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet diaries Message-ID: <329A03A8.1A7@host.dmsc.net> Gents, very sheepishly I must say I have not been following the cross-posting discussion but just now happened to look at one of the posts and saw the Genet diaries were an issue-- but I missed the verdict! Should I continue them or not? (I'm a few days behind with it). Either way is fine with me! Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:48:19 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Minicraft letter Message-ID: <199611251047.KAA22722@cso.com> So, how many of you mailed the letter I posted to Minicraft? C'mon, we really need to show Minicraft that we *need* this model - from them - and a boat load of letters is the way to do it. Hey, even you 1/48th guys can get involved. I've already said that if the 1/48th guys mail this letter, then I will main a letter to whomever, supporting the Halberstadt D.whatever (or whatever else needs support). Let's get those letters out! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:49:22 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet diaries Message-ID: >Gents, >very sheepishly I must say I have not been following the cross-posting >discussion but just now happened to look at one of the posts and saw the >Genet diaries were an issue-- but I missed the verdict! Should I >continue them or not? (I'm a few days behind with it). Either way is >fine with me! >Bradley I for one, hope that you will continue to add these entries to the List. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:11:28 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Minicraft letter Message-ID: <199611251811.MAA01443@Walden.MO.NET> At 12:10 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >So, how many of you mailed the letter I posted to Minicraft? >C'mon, we really need to show Minicraft that we *need* this model >- from them - and a boat load of letters is the way to do it. > > I'll fess up and admit that I forgot to send one. If you resend it I'll print, sign and mail one out today. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:23:01 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Genet diaries Message-ID: <199611251823.MAA05980@Walden.MO.NET> At 12:52 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Gents, >>very sheepishly I must say I have not been following the cross-posting >>discussion but just now happened to look at one of the posts and saw the >>Genet diaries were an issue-- but I missed the verdict! Should I >>continue them or not? (I'm a few days behind with it). Either way is >>fine with me! >>Bradley > > > I for one, hope that you will continue to add these entries to the List. > >Charles > I agree. We must get to the part where he finds out that dear old Gertie has in fact dumped him and in a fit of rage takes off solo in his Nieuport singlehandidly flaming an observation balloon amid a torrid of boche ground fire and diving Albatros fighters before finally succombing to his fate somewhere in the French countryside...Okay, okay camera pans left, fade and cut. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 12:46 CST From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Great War Tours Message-ID: The Sunday Chicago Tribune had an article about Holt's Military Tours in the UK. They run battlefield tours to some Great War sites. The article gave an email address: info@holts.co.uk for a booklet on the tours. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:41:31 -0700 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: wood grain effect Message-ID: I've used (variations of) both of the techniques you've listed. If you lightly spray (airbrush, rather) a misty coat of a wood color it will look better. The light misting will blend the colors and soften the edges. If you mask off individual panels you can add more variety to the shades of wood too. >Hello Group: > >I've been away a few weeks (if anyone wondered :-). I still got lots of >good stuff on the digest. I'm starting a 1/72 of von Richtofen's Albatros >DV and am puzzled about how to do the wood grain on the plywood fusalage. I >know there are grain decals, but this body (as you know) is all round so >there are no flat surfaces to put the decals on. I've tried a nearly dry >brush with a tad of dilute brown paint on it ("dry brush"?) but the streaks >for me are much too heavy. Then I tried using a sharp colored pencil to put >on the streaks and that looked pretty good. I oversprayed that with >satin-finish clear and it seems to give a rather good effect. Even so it >doesn't look too much like the photographs and paintings showing very fine, >dark grain with splits and rejoining of the split lines in places like the >grain of real wood. > >I may have seen something about this on the list before, but I don't >remember and I didn't save it. Could any of you give me some ideas on how >you do this technique or where I might find details on how to do it? > >One final question to make the three maximum you can expect to get answered, >is there a repository for FAQs re WWI aircraft. > >Best regards to all, > >Bob G. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 03:53:13 -0500 From: "ROGER BELANGER" To: "ww1 group" Subject: Book Catalog Message-ID: <199611252055.PAA06271@cliff.cris.com> I just received My Zenith book catalog I found quite a few issues that were new to me and thought that the list ought to be aware that you can get their catalog free by calling 1800 826 6600 and ask them to send you their Aircraft Book Catalog Roger B. A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:49:17 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albert Ball's SE5 Message-ID: <199611252249.RAA11266@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:39 PM 11/24/96 -0500, Hirohisa Ozaki wrote: >Hello all, > > I have completed parts of Libramodel 1/72 SE5 vac.-kit yesterday. > It is pretty and good kit. > Now I am looking for mesh photo-etch parts used radiater grill to much. > I will be it Albert Ball's SE5, A4850. > I am refering DATAFILE, and written minor changes of Ball's SE5 from standard >spec. in there. I can not understand a modification about downward Lewis gun >which converted removed-Vickers gun. > > (1) Where is it mounted? > (2) Way to mounted it. I remember reading about it. I thought it was inside the cockpit and used to "surprise" anyone who tried to attack from the "blind spot" underneath. Don't know anything else. Good Luck Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:02:00 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Genet diaries Message-ID: <199611252302.SAA11328@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 12:02 PM 11/25/96 -0500, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >Gents, >very sheepishly I must say I have not been following the cross-posting >discussion but just now happened to look at one of the posts and saw the >Genet diaries were an issue-- but I missed the verdict! Should I >continue them or not? (I'm a few days behind with it). Either way is >fine with me! >Bradley Keep 'em coming...I was starting to feel like Genet, waiting for darling Gerty to write! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:02:02 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Minicraft letter Message-ID: <199611252302.SAA11330@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:19 PM 11/25/96 -0500, Joseph Gentile wrote: >At 12:10 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >>So, how many of you mailed the letter I posted to Minicraft? >>C'mon, we really need to show Minicraft that we *need* this model >>- from them - and a boat load of letters is the way to do it. >> >> >I'll fess up and admit that I forgot to send one. If you resend it I'll >print, sign and mail one out today. > >Joe Me too, but it'll be next week. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:12:01 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 Message-ID: <199611252312.SAA11475@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:24 AM 11/25/96 -0500, Charles A. Duckworth wrote: >While I was on track to finish my 1/48 Nieuport 17 with the Black Cat >Escadrille markings, I made a 'U' turn after finding an old decal sheet with >French naval anchors on it this weekend. > >I dug out my copy of Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by J. M. Bruce (published by >Arms and Armour Press) and on page 28 is a Nieuport 17 assigned to a French >Naval Escadrille (N.313) at Dunkerque with anchor insignia on rudder and two >overwing Lewis guns (I had two Aeroclubs set aside for another project). The >model is almost complete, except I need to verify the Escadrille logo, it >appears to be a bird of prey (black Raven or Hawk in flight)? If anyone knows >of a better source for a picture of the bird emblem, please pass me the >source. I'm also assuming the bird is painted black with white accents if >it's another color let me know. e Can't help too much. I looked it up in "Over the Front" by Franks & Bailey. They have a brief summary of each French Escadrille before the ace biographies. Here's what they say.: "First created as N312 in March, 1917 it was demobilised in July, 1917 and reformed as N313 on 7 July for the defense of Dunkerque. Equipped with Nieuport 27s, by September it had 6 of this type of aircraft and 6 Sopwith 2-seaters on charge. It became the first night-fighter Escadrille in France, operating against night raiders over the northern ports. on 13 July 1918 it became Spa 313 after converting to Spaad 7s. It was commanded by Lt. Duron and is known to have scored at least 1 victory." Nothing else mentioned and Duron isn't listed as an ace. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:16:00 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 21 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329A7D10.113A@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. Had one dandy flight in a.m. in aerobatic class. Did four vrilles and 3 right abouts on wing easily and found no disagreeable sensations in the least. Knew what I was doing all the time. Wrote letters to Chas. Rowe in p.m. Had two flights in p.m. Motor working badly on first trip, but did aerobatics just the same. Better on 2nd flight. Finished aerobatics now and begin baby Nieuport class tomorrow. No mail these last 2 days. *************************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:19:15 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 22 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329A7DD3.582E@host.dmsc.net> Rain in a.m. prevented flying but cleared up fine by p.m. and had my first two flights with Baby Nieuport. It surely is a marvelous little avion. Hard to land but very easy to pilot in the air. Letters from Gabe de Nantieul & one from Bonbright & Co saying they sent me 50 francs of my Dec. allowance. Wrote to Dr Gros, Mrs Lloyd and Olive. Still none from darling Gerty, discouraging. ******************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:22:31 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 23 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329A7E97.4876@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. One short flight with Baby Nieuport in a.m. Rec'd 50 francs from Bonbright & Co. Wrote letters to Bertha W. & postal to Gaby de Nantieul. Letter from Lief Barclay and one from Mr Hedin in p.m. Wrote short letter to Helen H. Had 2 good flights with Baby Nieuport in p.m. Fired 2 aerial fusies at sillouette of balloon on ground. Landed almost on target. Feel perfectly at home in the Baby. Fine sport. ******************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 17:26:08 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Minicraft letter Message-ID: <9610258489.AA848971690@mx.Ricochet.net> Ditto. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Minicraft letter Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 11/25/96 10:23 AM At 12:10 PM 11/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >So, how many of you mailed the letter I posted to Minicraft? >C'mon, we really need to show Minicraft that we *need* this model >- from them - and a boat load of letters is the way to do it. > > I'll fess up and admit that I forgot to send one. If you resend it I'll print, sign and mail one out today. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:26:03 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 24 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329A7F6B.7C22@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. Had two flights in a.m. and went up to 3600 metres in first. Two hour flight in p.m. and was 4 hours in air during day. Mighty nice letter from Helen H. Guess it will be better to join Amer. Escadrille on this front first and ask to go to Romania later on than to go right away. But sure wish to go to those parts before next spring. There might be lots of chances to fight enemy airmen down there. ************************ from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:29:21 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 25 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <329A8031.17C5@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Cloudy in late p.m. Was up for 2 1/2 hours early in a.m. and had most enjoyable flight I have ever had yet in p.m. Was up to 3000 metres for 2 hours and flew over part of the Pyrenees Mts and was over clouds most of the time. Beautiful and wonderful. Next is combat class. Letters from Mother, Genet B. and draft for 290 francs sent by Mother from the money sent by the French Consul. Package from her. **************************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:16:13 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Minicraft letter Message-ID: <19961125.194204.4447.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:14:02 -0500 Joseph Gentile writes: > I'll fess up and admit that I forgot to send one. If you > resend it I'll print, sign and mail one out today. I gave it to Al in .rtf format. Look on the web page under "Help Promote WW1 Modeling", or whatever that section is called. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:16:13 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Help: Naval Escadrille N.313 Message-ID: <19961125.194204.4447.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:24:01 -0500 Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) writes: > I dug out my copy of Nieuport Aircraft of WWI by J. M. > Bruce (published by Arms and Armour Press) and on page 28 > is a Nieuport 17 assigned to a French Naval Escadrille > (N.313) at Dunkerque with anchor insignia on rudder and > two overwing Lewis guns (I had two Aeroclubs set aside for > another project). The model is almost complete, except I > need to verify the Escadrille logo, it appears to be a > bird of prey (black Raven or Hawk in flight)? If anyone > knows of a better source for a picture of the bird emblem, > please pass me the source. I'm also assuming the bird is > painted black with white accents if it's another color let > me know. Hmm... I'm looking at US Cross and Cockade Vol 7 No 3. It has color depictions of all known (at that time) Escadrille emblems. I hate to say this, but according to the information, N.313's emblem was a black cat looking at a yellow moon. It appears to me that the black raven is a *personal* marking. Since I've been researching Escadrille emblem information for Blue Rider, I've had plenty of conversations with Greg VW about it. His opinion is that the emblems found in this issue of C&C are spot on - with some small errors in regards to *color*. Take a look at the picture again. Look at the individual's left hand. He's holding a bowl or something. Look under the bowl. This is not a shadow. I would suspect that this is the black cat. Unfortunately, that's all the information I have. I haven't looked at anything else yet - including the Datafiles and Specials - so I'm going off the photo you found, plus the C&C issue I'm still holding onto for Greg (hee hee). If you want more info, let me know. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:46:14 -0500 From: pdfoley@cujo.icom.ca (Peter Foley) To: wwi Subject: Military Light Railways Message-ID: <199611260330.WAA11758@cujo.icom.ca> Hello, I've been lurking for awhile watching the traffic. Seems most discussion centers around aircraft modelling. My primary interest (anyone else out there?) is in the light railways (60 cm gauge) on both sides of the front lines - War Department Light Railways, Heeres Feldbahn, Les Voie de 60, etc. I'm modelling them in 16mm scale (1:19.05) using 'O' gauge mechanisms. It's been a while since I did any aircraft modelling, but you might entice me to try my hand again. I've been interested in W.W.I aviation for many years, and probably have most of the 'standard' books/ references, etc. My grandfather was a Lieutenant in the RFC with 251 Squadron at Stollingborough, Lincs. and flew D.H.6s on anti-submarine patrols. The only mention I've ever found of this group was in C&CGB Vol.4 No.4 in an article on the D.H.6 entitled, appropriately enough, "The Clutching Hand'. regards, pf ______________________________________________________________________________ Peter Foley E-mail: pdfoley@icom.ca 2 Orchard Hill, phone: (905) 528-7661 Hamilton, Ontario, L8P 2V7, Canada. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 339 *********************