WWI Digest 319 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Mail order paints by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 2) A couple of questions from latest English Mags by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 3) Camel Drivers (ADV) by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 4) Re: HELP! looking for Gotha kit by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 5) Re: Agricultural vehicles by Bill Bacon 6) Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Hello? by "Valenciano . Jose" 8) Re: Hello? by Mick Fauchon 9) Re: HELP! looking for Gotha kit by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 10) Re: Reference Material by Mick Fauchon 11) RE: D.VII I.D. please by Mick Fauchon 12) Re: Aileron cranks by Sandy Adam 13) Re: D.VII I.D. please by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Hello? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re: Hello? by roger belanger 16) WWI Car/Truck Drawings by aew (Allan Wright) 17) Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags by Rob 18) Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings by Rob 19) Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 20) Pfalz D.III questions by Joseph Gentile 21) Re: Pfalz D.III questions by jalcober@MindSpring.COM (Jose Alcober) 22) Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings by aew (Allan Wright) 23) RE: A couple of questions from latest English Mags by Shane Weier 24) Re: Fine Scale Modeler by "ROGER L BELANGER" 25) Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings by "ROGER L BELANGER" 26) Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings by GRBroman@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 03:23:55 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Mail order paints Message-ID: <19961106032353.AAA8545@LOCALNAME> At 05:28 PM 10/31/96 +0000, you wrote: >Has anyone out there attempted to put together a basic stock of acrylic WWI colors by >mail order? I am not within driving range of a hobby shop and must do everything by >mail-- so far none of the catalogues I have (Squadron, Rosemont) offer paint chips. I >just got my first Datafile Special on Nieuports, and some other sources, and so can >begin to guess at basic colors I should have, but until I can match the pictures in >the books to paint chips I'm just guessing. All the catalogues offer are NAMES of >colors, which aren't of much use. I'd be grateful for any suggestions-- I can't be the >only one on this list who is dependent on mail. > >Bradley > Bradley, in our catalog we feature a mixing guide using Humbrol & Xtracolor paints. The sources are from aviation magazinez, myself and other WWI modelers. If you are interested, please send a $1.75 for our catalog. Juan SOPWITH HOBBIES P.O. Box 560442 Miami, Fl. 33256 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:25:12 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: A couple of questions from latest English Mags Message-ID: Hi All! I noticed a couple of things in Windsock and Scale Models magazines that piqued my curiosity. 1) There is a photo of a Short 184 Seaplane inside the front cover of the latest issue of Windsock. It shows BOTH ailerons drooping. I've seen this on other aircraft/models. I recall the same thing on Herr Bittner's Otto Doppeldecker. What control mechanism was used that allowed this? Normal aileron controls would not do this. Do these aircraft have two sticks that are operated differentially and not interconnected? 2) There is a review of Fokker DR.I kits in Scale Models. At the end of the review, there is a 'thank you'. It says: "Glen Merrill for having something up his sleeve". Glen Merrill is, of course, the man behind Americal/Gryphon decals. Does anyone know what's up his sleeve? Besides his arm, that is! It seems an intriguing question. Just curious... John Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:25:16 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Camel Drivers (ADV) Message-ID: Hi all! Schiffer's new WWI book is in! SB0071-7 Camel Drivers--17th Aero Sqdn in WW 1 I haven't read it yet, but I hear that it's 'typical Schiffer'. It needs to be proofread, but is well written and is wonderfully constructed. It's available from Roll Models for $36.00 Bye! John Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:44:11 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: HELP! looking for Gotha kit Message-ID: >In rec.models.scale, Patrick Tobin >wrote: > >>Jim Murphy wrote: >>> >>> > where can I find a RarePlane Gotha GIV kit in 1/72?? >>> > unbuilt kit, of course... >>> > thanks a lot >>> > >>> > franco poloni >>> >>> You might try Roll Models at http://www.rollmodels.com >>> >>> Jim >> >> Meikraft has announced an injected Gotha in 1/72. It should be a very >>nice kit, >> if their Caproni is any indicator. Unfortunately, their delivery time >>is even >> slower than AM. >> P.T. Franco ordered a week ago Friday (the 25th). For some reason he needed it immediately, so we shipped it off Saturday. Though I haven't heard if he's received it yet, they told me about 10 days to get to Italy. John ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:44:01 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Agricultural vehicles Message-ID: <328025A1.5EBF@netjava.net> GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-11-04 21:36:07 EST, you write: > >Attention WW1 agricultural vehicle fans! A color photo of a > >privately owned US 6-ton tank (FT-17) can be found at > >http://members.aol.com/mvehicle/vehicles.htm. > > Agricultural vehicle? Yep, some call them glorified tractors. Reference to the Holt tractor which started it all way back when. All in jest. Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:36:50 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags Message-ID: <199611060636.AA27990@ednet1.orednet.org> John wrote: >Hi All! > >I noticed a couple of things in Windsock and Scale Models magazines that >piqued my curiosity. > >1) There is a photo of a Short 184 Seaplane inside the front cover of the >latest issue of Windsock. It shows BOTH ailerons drooping. I've seen this >on other aircraft/models. I recall the same thing on Herr Bittner's Otto >Doppeldecker. What control mechanism was used that allowed this? Normal >aileron controls would not do this. Do these aircraft have two sticks that >are operated differentially and not interconnected? I have read that disconnecting the aileron control wires was a normal procedure during the rigging adjustment/maintenance process. And, of course, if the aileron control wires were disconnected, both ailerons would droop. This is offered only for "what it is worth" - no guarantees expressed or implied. But, I've never heard of a "two stick" arrangement in any WW1-type aircraft so I doubt that is the answer. Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:44:54 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: Hello? Message-ID: Is there anyone out there? I received only one posting today. Have I been excommunicated again? Someone (everyone) please reply directly to me. Thanks ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:59:57 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: Jose, > Is there anyone out there? I received only one posting today. Viktor!* i.e. At least I'm here. > > Have I been excommunicated again? Dunno. What heresy have you propounded 80) > > Someone (everyone) please reply directly to me. Ich wiederhole: Viktor! Viktor! 80) Mick. *Equivalent to "Roger!" -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 03:05:33 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: HELP! looking for Gotha kit Message-ID: <19961105.214523.4447.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:02:46 -0500 boeke@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke) writes: > Meikraft has announced an injected Gotha in 1/72. It > should be a very nice kit, if their Caproni is any > indicator. Unfortunately, their delivery time is even > slower than AM. Bwa...ha...ha...bwahahahahahahahaha... ROTFL!!! Delivery time. According to Meikraft, that's an undefined word in his dictionary. I for one will *not* buy a Gotha from Meikraft if it does come out (hhuuggee if there). I am sorely disappointed with the Caproni. I don't know who PT is, but he's got a sense of humor: "very nice kit". Indeed! ;-) Let's see what else Meikraft has announced...naw, too easy. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:06:23 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reference Material Message-ID: > Crickets over, the hands are healing =-back to those Oeffag Albatrossen. > Not for us, mate.......it's only just beginning. I see we gave the Windies a flogging the other day 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:14:20 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: D.VII I.D. please Message-ID: Bill, > > Incidently, can anyone with German better than mine translate "Ostgrenze" > or "Grenzjager"? Would either of these terms be possible designations > for the postwar D.VII unit(s)? "Ostgrenze"= Eastern border, "Grenzj"ager"= Border Police. So yes, both terms could be applied. BTW, the term "J"ager" [literally "hunters"] has often been applied to police from time to time; modern German MPs are designated "Feldj"ager". Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:25:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi Subject: Re: Aileron cranks Message-ID: Thanks for the recommendations Matt, I see Aeroclub do the Tom's sets here and I shall try one out with my next order. Sandy. On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Matthew E Bittner wrote: > On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:25:50 -0500 Sandy Adam > writes: > > > Personally I would find a set of various cranks, a set of > > various design seats, some assorted instruments and > > interior equipment, a set of assorted control columns and > > a set of rudder bars for example, invaluable. I'm sure > > the list is endless but the principal is simple. - making > > sets of components rather than one set only for a specific > > aircraft. Any thoughts? > > Basically, this is what the Tom's Modelworks photoetch > interior sets provide. Sure, on a typical "fret" there is > almost all of the above - and not one "fret" per "item" > (control column, etc.) - but they're worth their price in > "brass". :-) > > Fotocut also makes a set of seat backs only (you provide > the plastic (or whatever material) seat) as well as > instrument bezels. > > With the Tom's sets, you usually get aileron cranks, rudder > "bars", control columns, throttle's, engine starters, > seats, belts, etc. etc. etc. > > There are three sets from Tom's: British, German and > French. IMNSHO, you're doing yourself a disservice if you > aren't building with these. > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 21:25:35 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: D.VII I.D. please Message-ID: > Jaeger is best translated "Ranger" in this sense--a light infantryman > used for skirmishing, patrol, reconaissance, and raiding. Grenzjaeger > would then be "Border Ranger" or "Border Patrol." The current German > border guard is called the Bundes Grenze Schuetze (sp?). Bundesgrenzschutz Jaeger can > also mean "rifleman" (as in the UK's Green Jackets) .......or the KGL, where they were literally "J"ager", being recruited from hunters, forester, and even poachers. The same would have applied, I imagine, in England. or > "sharpshooter." Sharpshooters are more correctly "Sch"utzen", although this term was later applied generically to rifle- or mg-armed infantry, regardless of specialist "qualifications". J"ager" units as such existed, at least in Germany, up to the demise of the Kaiserreich. But enough of this, I fear I digress 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:58:48 -0500 (EST) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <199611061258.HAA12756@ns1.ptd.net> At 01:45 AM 11/6/96 -0500, Valenciano . Jose wrote: > > >Is there anyone out there? I received only one posting today. > >Have I been excommunicated again? > Nah...just placed in Purgatory for awhile. There weren't a lot of messages recently. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:12:28 -0500 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <3280AADC.CBC@concentric.net> Valenciano . Jose wrote: > > Is there anyone out there? I received only one posting today. > > Have I been excommunicated again? > > Someone (everyone) please reply directly to me. > > Thanks > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* Hey Joe I hear you , I am getting all of my mail Roger B. -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:28:42 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: WWI Car/Truck Drawings Message-ID: <199611061528.KAA17150@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Anyone know of a source for ANY (I'll convert) scale drawings of WWI vintage autos, especially Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and British Lorries? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:40:06 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags Message-ID: <9611060832.aa10618@scosysv.speechsys.com> John Roll writes: > There is a photo of a Short 184 Seaplane inside the front cover of the > latest issue of Windsock. It shows BOTH ailerons drooping. I've seen this > on other aircraft/models. I recall the same thing on Herr Bittner's Otto > Doppeldecker. What control mechanism was used that allowed this? Normal > aileron controls would not do this. Do these aircraft have two sticks that > are operated differentially and not interconnected? I suspect they are simply disconnected (for maintenance) or broken (a wire cut by ground fire, perhaps). Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:32:31 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings Message-ID: <9611061025.aa11810@scosysv.speechsys.com> Allan writes: > Anyone know of a source for ANY (I'll convert) scale drawings of WWI vintage > autos, especially Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and British Lorries? Gerald Wingrove's Complete Car Modeler has large-scale plans for a Roller and a Russo-Baltic, if memory serves. This is a fantastic scratchbuilder's reference, by the way, by a master machinist. The chapter on the pearwood-planked Hispano-Suiza boat-tail speedster is just the ticket for Albatros fuselages (when I get up the nerve to try it). Lots on making engines, hand-lacing wire wheels, louvering, upholstering, and panel beating that should be applicable to almost any sort of model. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:43:05 -0600 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: A couple of questions from latest English Mags Message-ID: <199611061743.LAA31857@sh1.ro.com> John Roll asked:>I >1) There is a photo of a Short 184 Seaplane inside the front cover of the >latest issue of Windsock. It shows BOTH ailerons drooping. I've seen this >on other aircraft/models. I recall the same thing on Herr Bittner's Otto >Doppeldecker. What control mechanism was used that allowed this? Normal >aileron controls would not do this. Do these aircraft have two sticks that >are operated differentially and not interconnected? > This condition seems to be characteristic of early Short's designs. Cole Palen built a prewar Short biplane which drooped all the ailerons straight down when at rest. I've also noted this on a number of period photos. I recall reading (in some publication in my unindexed files) that the yoke needed to be pushed forward to take up the slack. I hesitate to speculate on why or how the design was done this way, but it was apparently intentional. Certainly, the Palen replica worked this way because I watched a pilot get in fly it away. There really was not a consensus on how airplane controls should work during those early days. Even in the 2nd World War, certain nations used different standards as to how the controls should work. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:50:16 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Pfalz D.III questions Message-ID: <199611061950.NAA28969@Walden.MO.NET> I've been reading through Datafile number 7 on the Pfalz D.III and still have a couple of unanswered questions about the cockpit layout. I'm in the middle of scratching out a "simple" cockpit for a Glencoe D.III and need a little assistance in order to finish things up. 1) Seat harness anchor points....Where do I attach the lap belts? longeron, seat frame or somwhere else? The same for the shoulder harness. 2) Compass location: I didn't see one, maybe I'm blind...The only large dial like items I see are the tachometer located up top by the guns and what seems to be an altimeter? down by the rudder bar. Is this what it is or am I mistaken? BTW, thanks for the input regarding the Glencoe kit. The decals are excellent and the rest....well, it's acceptable for a sub $10.00 kit. I'm trying not to go aftermarket crazy with this one but as a few of you mentioned the engine, exhaust manifold, guns and prop/spinner must go. I've got a few extra props and wheels to use but I was shy an engine and interior nick nacks. Tom's German interior kit provides the correct rudder bar and control column thingamabob as well as seat, harnesses and other assorted goodies. Tom's also has a Pfalz detail kit which INMHO is must. I chose an Aeroclub Mercedes D.III for my replacement engine. I scratched out/modified an exhaust manifold and am currently debating the spinner issue. I've been eyeing the top of a number of bottles around the house. Hell, I'll figure something out sooner or later. TIA for your help and suggestions. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:12:15 -0500 From: jalcober@MindSpring.COM (Jose Alcober) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.III questions Message-ID: An excellent source for a replacement spinner for the Glencoe Pfalz is an Estes rocket named "moquito," I simply cut it down to size and it matched the cowling angle perfectly. The rocket cost about 3 bucks which is fair considering how little efort it took to make the spinner. Jose At 2:35 PM 11/6/96, Joseph Gentile wrote: >I've been reading through Datafile number 7 on the Pfalz D.III and still >have a couple >of unanswered questions about the cockpit layout. I'm in the middle of >scratching out a "simple" cockpit for a Glencoe D.III and need a little >assistance in order to finish things up. > >1) Seat harness anchor points....Where do I attach the lap belts? >longeron, seat frame or somwhere else? The same for the shoulder harness. > >2) Compass location: I didn't see one, maybe I'm blind...The only large >dial like items I see are the tachometer located up top by the guns and what >seems to be an altimeter? down by the rudder bar. Is this what it is or am >I mistaken? > >BTW, thanks for the input regarding the Glencoe kit. The decals are >excellent and the rest....well, it's acceptable for a sub $10.00 kit. I'm >trying not to go aftermarket crazy with this one but as a few of you >mentioned the engine, exhaust manifold, guns and prop/spinner must go. I've >got a few extra props and wheels to use but I was shy an engine and interior >nick nacks. Tom's German interior kit provides the correct rudder bar and >control column thingamabob as well as seat, harnesses and other assorted >goodies. Tom's also has a Pfalz detail kit which INMHO is must. I chose an >Aeroclub Mercedes D.III for my replacement engine. > >I scratched out/modified an exhaust manifold and am currently debating the >spinner issue. I've been eyeing the top of a number of bottles around the >house. Hell, I'll figure something out sooner or later. > >TIA for your help and suggestions. > >Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:06:03 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings Message-ID: <199611062006.PAA18524@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Gerald Wingrove's Complete Car Modeler has large-scale plans for a > Roller and a Russo-Baltic, if memory serves. This is a fantastic scratchbuilder's > reference, by the way, by a master machinist. The chapter on the > pearwood-planked Hispano-Suiza boat-tail speedster is just the ticket > for Albatros fuselages (when I get up the nerve to try it). Lots on > making engines, hand-lacing wire wheels, louvering, upholstering, and > panel beating that should be applicable to almost any sort of model. I'll pick it up! Sounds great. I've just picked up a Rolls and a Bently die-cast topy which seem to have been made in Model RR 'S' scale. They match up to my figures well and I'll use them for rough 3-D models to go by. I have one thing to say about doing aromoed cars in 1/64 scale - WHOA are these babies going to be small. You can forget abou hand-lacing the wire wheels. I'm using photo-etch for sure, either that or I'll pillage the wheels off the die-cast cars. They're actually quite good in injection plastic. With some creative painting they'll look nice. Looks like I'll start scratch building the leaf springs and other 'standard' parts tonight! I can do those and then piece them together when I get the plans. The die-cast models give me a good startig scale. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:05:17 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: A couple of questions from latest English Mags Message-ID: <01BBCC82.6BC7EDA0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hello all, At last a chance to show off my vast knowledge of trivia (okay, so I don't have a vast knowledge, but I know the answer to this one. John asks: >1) There is a photo of a Short 184 Seaplane inside the front cover of the >latest issue of Windsock. It shows BOTH ailerons drooping. I've seen this >on other aircraft/models. I recall the same thing on Herr Bittner's Otto >Doppeldecker. What control mechanism was used that allowed this? Normal >aileron controls would not do this. Do these aircraft have two sticks that >are operated differentially and not interconnected? Absolutely normal for this and other early aircraft. The ailerons had NO mechanism to pull them into the "up" position at all. Control of the aircraft relies on being able to pull "down" one or the other against the slipstream during flight. The other aileron *not* being acted on by the controls simply conforms to the slipstream and has no effect. The Short 184 eventually had diferential ailerons fitted - so you will see photographs of BOTH types. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:27:56 -0500 From: "ROGER L BELANGER" To: Subject: Re: Fine Scale Modeler Message-ID: <199611062337.SAA19982@beasley.cris.com> Dear Mary-ann I do winged things in 1/48 and 1/72 , I have a fair collection but I did not what it was all about t'il I got on this group , I plan to do a few new planes and hope to put them on a home page as soon as I can Roger ---------- > From: Mary-Ann/Michael > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fine Scale Modeler > Date: Tuesday, November 05, 1996 8:59 PM > > I'm probably the only one on this list who buys this thing at my local > newstand. It just came out today. I realize most of you have already seen > the spread on Roger Belanger's stuff, but I just saw it. Really nice...just > missing things with 2 and 3 wings, however ;-) > Mike Muth > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:37:14 -0500 From: "ROGER L BELANGER" To: Subject: Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings Message-ID: <199611062337.SAA20000@beasley.cris.com> Dear Allen , the Narrow Guage and Shortline gazette featured Al. Armitage in a series a few years ago on early vintage trucks, pre WW1 they were excellent drawings , if you are interested I will look up the issue dates for you and pass them along . Roger Belanger ---------- > From: Allan Wright > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: WWI Car/Truck Drawings > Date: Wednesday, November 06, 1996 10:31 AM > > Anyone know of a source for ANY (I'll convert) scale drawings of WWI vintage > autos, especially Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and British Lorries? > > -Al > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:46:20 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Car/Truck Drawings Message-ID: <961106184619_1081341210@emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-11-06 12:15:59 EST, you write: >Anyone know of a source for ANY (I'll convert) scale drawings of WWI vintage >autos, especially Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and British Lorries? Back issues of Military Modeling and Airfix magazine. I suppose you'll want the specific issues next, eh? :) Glen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 319 *********************