WWI Digest 317 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Vote tally by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 2) Re: Rumpler G-types by Graham Nash 3) Re: Aileron cranks by Sandy Adam 4) (Fwd) FS: World War I books by meba@cso.com 5) Re: (Fwd) FS: World War I books by Rob 6) Re: World War I books by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 7) Saturday, 4 November 1916, Pau by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: Question about Arch Whitehouse in the RFC by Mark Lawrence Shannon 9) Agricultural vehicles by Rob 10) Re: (Fwd) FS: World War I books by GRBroman@aol.com 11) Re[2]: Rumpler G-types by "Shelley Goodwin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:18:19 -0800 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vote tally Message-ID: <199611040818.AAA23711@bing.ncw.net> Herr Bittner hath sprecht: >So, without further ado, here are the top 5: > >1) Bristol F2b, 1/48th, 9 votes >2) Halberstadt D.II, 1/48th, 7 votes YESSSSS!!!! Let's all hope that Eduard, DML, Glencoe - hell, even Revellogram, for that matter - are listening.... >It does appear you 1/4in scale wee - ugh, builders do outnumber >those who model in the Scale of Hustad. Such a shame. ;-) Don't feel too alone, Matt. I'm sure the last remaining Shakers feel the same way...;-) >Actually, I was quite impressed - and amazed - at just how many >votes the BrisFit got. All well deserved, the Halberstadt too. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 09:45:54 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <199611040941.AA00246@egate.citicorp.com> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Carlos, > > Thanks a lot.If it's not too much trouble, could you include any tech > data & photos of the Halberstadt G.I? I stumbled across a photo in the > Harleyford Bombers & Rec. book-can't get enough of these unsung > G-planes! > > Thanks again, > > Riordan Wondered when you'd ask... :^) Halberstadt G.I Book Publisher Author Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray von Richthofen and the Flying Circus Harleyford Nowarra & Brown Plus, if you're interested... Hansa-Brandenburg G.I (GF/GFK) ------------------------------ Aircraft of World War I Ian Allen Ltd K.Munson Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra Die Flugzeuge de K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918** H.Wieshaupt Verlag B.Tvtschinger & Hauke Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20)*** Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas Vsterreich Luftfahrzeuge der K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppen* H.Wieshaupt Verlag Reinhard Keimel WW1 Aero - the Journal of the Early Aeroplane Issues 126** & 131*** WW1 Aero L.F.G. (Roland) G.I ------------------- Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik* Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Modell Magazin War Album Issue 4 Page 91 Alba/MAP Heinz Birkholz L.V.G. G.I ---------- Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Cross & Cockade (US) Issue Volume 19 Issue 3** L.V.G. G.III ------------ Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Fighting Triplanes, The Hamish Hamilton E.Hadingham German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20) Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas Sch|tte-Lanz G.I ---------------- Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Siemens-Schuckert G.III/L.I --------------------------- Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:45:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi Subject: Re: Aileron cranks Message-ID: Many thanks for all the useful suggestions about control cranks (and also to previous questions about brass frets etc). Seems nobody does what I had hoped for - generic sets of aileron cranks. Does anybody else think these would be useful and if so are any members of the list involved in any of the "cottage industries" or have contacts who might like to take note? Personally I would find a set of various cranks, a set of various design seats, some assorted instruments and interior equipment, a set of assorted control columns and a set of rudder bars for example, invaluable. I'm sure the list is endless but the principal is simple. - making sets of components rather than one set only for a specific aircraft. Any thoughts? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:06:32 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: (Fwd) FS: World War I books Message-ID: <199611040706.HAA09938@cso.com> Saw this on r.m.s., thought there would be some who were interested. Matt meba@cso.com ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Subject: FS: World War I books Date: 3 Nov 1996 20:02:41 -0500 From: bsteinipms@aol.com (BSteinIPMS) Newsgroups: rec.models.scale _________________________________________________________________ I'm thinning my aviation library, and if any of you World War I buffs are interested in those type of books, here is my list of what's available. All books are guaranteed and anything is returnable for any reason. --Bob Steinbrunn IPMS #3345 WORLD WAR I LIST Hardcover books are noted HC. Soft cover books are noted sc. Hardcover books which have had their dust jacket covered in clear protective plastic are noted HC cp. Oversize books are noted o/s. All books are in mint condition except as noted. Shipping in the U.S. is $3.00 for the first book, $1.00 for each additional one. International shipping will be quoted on an individual basis. Hasegawa 1/8 scale museum model of Sopwith F.1 Camel, new in box, unopened and shrink wrapped, unbelievable detail, now listed in Sentai catalog for $800.00 +!! Will sell for $550.00 plus shipping of your choice. Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War I, Taylor, Studio, 1990, o/s, HC cp, 320 pp., $25.00. Sopwith 2F1 Camel, Windsock Datafile #6, Bruce, sc, $20.00. RAF SE5a, Windsock Datafile Special, Bruce, sc, $20.00. RAF RE8, Windsock Datafile #24, Bruce, sc, $20.00. Sopwith Camel, Windsock Datafile #26, Bruce, sc, $20.00. Folder of 5 original magazine articles, WW I aircraft, $3.00. Wings of Honor-American Airmen in World War I , Sloan, Schiffer, 1994, o/s, HC cp, 460 pp., $40.00. Legend, Memory, and the Great War in the Air, Pisano, Dietz, Gernstein, Schneide, National Air & Space Museum, 1992, o/s, HC cp, 144 pp., $25.00. von Richthofen and the "Flying Circus", Nowarra & Brown, Harleyford, 1959, o/s, HC cp, 208 pp., good, rare, $45.00. Sopwith Camel-King of Combat, Bowyer, Glasney, 1978, o/s, HC cp, 192 pp., very rare, $50.00. The Fighters-The Men and Machines of the First Air War, Funderburk, Grosset & Dunlap, 1965, o/s, HC cp, 195 pp., good, $25.00. Albatros D.VA-German Fighter of World War I, Mikesh, Smithsonian Famous Aircraft #4, sc, 115 pp., $15.00. de Havilland DH-4-From Flaming Coffin to Living Legend, Boyne, Smithsonian Famous Aircraft #7, 1984, sc, 120 pp., $15.00. Airpower magazine, Nov 1995, Vol. 25, No. 6, World War I Combat Edition, $4.00. W.W.I Aero-The Journal of the Early Aeroplane, #145, Aug 1994, sc, 144 pp., $10.00. W.W.I Aero-The Journal of the Early Aeroplane, #147, Feb 1995, sc, 144 pp., $10.00. SQUADRON/SIGNAL "IN ACTION" SERIES: $9.00 EACH. #98 Fokker Dr. I #110 Sopwith Fighters #123 BE 2 #137 Bristol Fighter #158 Fokker Eindecker Triplanes-A Pictorial History of the World's Triplanes and Multiplanes, Bowers & McDowell, Motorbooks, 1993, sc, 160 pp., $18.00. Sopwith Camel, Bruce, Vintage Aviation fotofax, Arms & Armor Press, 1989, sc, 48 pp., $10.00. Classic Aircraft of World War I, Hiscock, Osprey, 1994, sc, 128 pp., color photos, $18.00. Lafayette Escadrille, Mason, Konecky & Konecky, 1964, HC cp, 340 pp., $14.00. The First Air War-1914-1918, Kennett, MacMillan, 1991, HC cp, 275 pp., $14.00. The Fise of the Fighter Aircraft-1914-1918, Hallion, Nautical & Aviation, 1988, HC cp, 200 pp., $14.00. Richtofen-Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron, Kilduff, John Wiley & Sons, 1994, sc, 256 pp., $10.00. British Aviation-The Great War and Armistice, Penrose, Funk & Wagnalls, 1969, HC cp, 606 pp., very rare, $50.00. The Royal Flying Corps, Thompson, Hamish Hamilton, 1968, HC cp, 151 pp., rare, $25.00. They Fought for the Sky, Reynolds, Rinehart, 1957, HC cp, 294 pp., good, $18.00. The Red Baron-The Autobiography of Manfred von Richtofen, Ulanoff, Barnes & Noble, 1969, HC cp, 240 pp., $12.00. An Airman's Outings with the RFC-June-December 1916, Bott, Greenhill, 1986, sc, 323 pp., $15.00. Fighter Pilots of World War I, Jackson, St. Martin's, 1977, HC cp, 158 pp., good, $10.00. Heroes of the Sunlit Sky, Whitehouse, Doubleday, 1967, HC cp, 387 pp., good, $15.00. The Years of the Sky Kings, Whitehouse, Doubleday, 1959, HC cp, 336 pp., good, $14.00. World War I, Marshall, The American Heritage Library, Houghton Mifflin Co., 1992, sc, 512 pp., $10.00. PAPERBACK BOOKS: GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION, $4.00 EACH: Winged Victory, Yeates, 1975, 447 pp. Winged Warfare, Bishop, 1967, 255 pp. The Canvas Falcons, Longstreet, 1970, 396 pp. Flying Fury, McCudden, 1968, 316 pp. Fighting The Flying Circus, Rickenbacker, 1965, 330 pp. The Zeppelin Fighters, Whitehouse, 1966, 255 pp. Great Battles Of World War I: In the Air, Platt, 1966, 206 pp. Iron Men With Wooden Wings, Cameron, 1967, 174 pp. Squadron Shilling, Whitehouse, 1968, 317 pp. The Falcons Of France, Nordhoff & Hall, 1959, 224 pp. In The Company Of Eagles, Gann, 1966, 231 pp. The Blue Max, Hunter, 1964, 280 pp. A Killing For The Hawks, Smith, 1966, 253 pp. Goshawk Squadron, Robinson, 1986, 279 pp. The Mustering Of The Hawks, Harris, 1976, 256 pp. The Professionals, Harris, 1973, 188 pp. The Fledglings, Harris, 1971, 188 pp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:29:37 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: (Fwd) FS: World War I books Message-ID: <9611040822.aa02845@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Sopwith Camel-King of Combat, Bowyer, Glasney, 1978, o/s, HC cp, > 192 pp., very rare, $50.00. Maybe this edition is rare, but the book itself is in print in a revised (and expanded) edition. I have seen both, and the new ed. is definitely better from an information and production values standpoint. I can't remember the exact price, but I believe it was rather less than $50. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:06:32 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: World War I books Message-ID: <1996Nov04.100250.1155.781197@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Was in CRM (local St. Louis hobby shop) on Sunday and he had three books that I thought I'd post for the group. Profiles Martinside G100/101 Elephant and D.H.9a 1918-1930(?) both profiles were $3.50 each and he only had one of each. Arms and Armor Press 'Fokker Fighters of WWI' believe price was $8.00 Chris does not have web access; but number is 314-645-1117 (CST). I also saw a few of the old Revell 1/72 models in the original boxes (1960) at $6.00 each lots of WWII and one SPAD XIII ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:10:08 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 4 November 1916, Pau Message-ID: <327EB010.2DC3@host.dmsc.net> Fair in a.m., rainy in p.m. Had one half hour flight in a.m. in company with pilots in another machine, kept together mighty well. Postal from Helen. Wrote to Miss Mooney, Betty Wright & Miss Bertha Becker in early evening. Will eat at canteen here from now on as the food is good enough and it only costs Franc 1.70 a day. Seems to be very little chance to get into Pau while we're here at school. ************************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 17:15:53 -0800 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Question about Arch Whitehouse in the RFC Message-ID: <327E9549.4570@ix.netcom.com> Peter Kilduff, University Relations, 2-1791 wrote: > > I'm not proposing a full-blown rehabilitation for AGW, but do believe history > will be well served by having facts that Whitehouse couldn't or wouldn't > provide. Any takers? > > Peter Kilduff -- Oh, wonderful! I've used the compiled list and descriptions in your book to see what the cross-tally of MvR's victories with the British losses. Now you want to know whether A.G. Whitehouse was one of them? It's more than my poor brain can do -- all I know is that I was never impressed with AGW's books -- too much wrong information and long diatribes against anything non-British (he thought the Liberty engine program was a waste of time because of the Sunbeam Arab and Hispano-Suiza/Wollesley Viper engines -- both fine powerplants, but tempermental and a lot of developmental and license built troubles). If I remember, he said he was one of the 48, 49, or 50th victims of MvR as a gunner in a Fee. He claimed that MvR's report was all wrong, since the plane didn't go down in flames and swore he was firing the whole time when MvR's report said the gunner hadn't been able to shoot at him because he had manuvered in such a way as to prevent it the whole time. I always took it to be that AGW's adventure was actually with another pilot of the Jasta 11 crew, but he claimed the most recognizable name. I don't remember the name of his overview of WWI in the air, but he spends a lot of it deriding MvR as a charletan. This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com Remember that every cliche started out as a stroke of genius. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:35:21 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Agricultural vehicles Message-ID: <9611041628.aa09735@scosysv.speechsys.com> Attention WW1 agricultural vehicle fans! A color photo of a privately owned US 6-ton tank (FT-17) can be found at http://members.aol.com/mvehicle/vehicles.htm. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:06:07 -0500 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: (Fwd) FS: World War I books Message-ID: <961104200607_1114535267@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-11-04 08:32:05 EST, you write: >SQUADRON/SIGNAL "IN ACTION" SERIES: $9.00 EACH. > #98 Fokker Dr. I > #110 Sopwith Fighters > #123 BE 2 > #137 Bristol Fighter > #158 Fokker Eindecker Jeez, talk about gouging. These are all available at the local hobby shop in the $4-7 dollar range. Or should I say were. Last week was the pre-Christmas clearance and they were going for 40-50% off. Yup, I stocked up. ;) Glen (the broke) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 17:50:17 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <9610048471.AA847163050@mx.Ricochet.net> Carlos, Thanks for the 'G' index info. It should keep me distracted from my important projects for quite some time! Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 11/4/96 2:43 AM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Carlos, > > Thanks a lot.If it's not too much trouble, could you include any tech > data & photos of the Halberstadt G.I? I stumbled across a photo in the > Harleyford Bombers & Rec. book-can't get enough of these unsung > G-planes! > > Thanks again, > > Riordan Wondered when you'd ask... :^) Halberstadt G.I Book Publisher Author Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray von Richthofen and the Flying Circus Harleyford Nowarra & Brown Plus, if you're interested... Hansa-Brandenburg G.I (GF/GFK) ------------------------------ Aircraft of World War I Ian Allen Ltd K.Munson Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra Die Flugzeuge de K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918** H.Wieshaupt Verlag B.Tvtschinger & Hauke Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20)*** Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas Vsterreich Luftfahrzeuge der K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppen* H.Wieshaupt Verlag Reinhard Keimel WW1 Aero - the Journal of the Early Aeroplane Issues 126** & 131*** WW1 Aero L.F.G. (Roland) G.I ------------------- Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik* Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Modell Magazin War Album Issue 4 Page 91 Alba/MAP Heinz Birkholz L.V.G. G.I ---------- Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Cross & Cockade (US) Issue Volume 19 Issue 3** L.V.G. G.III ------------ Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Fighting Triplanes, The Hamish Hamilton E.Hadingham German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20) Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas Sch|tte-Lanz G.I ---------------- Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray Siemens-Schuckert G.III/L.I --------------------------- Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W.Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam Thetford & Gray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 317 *********************