WWI Digest 314 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Roll Models by "Leonard Endy" 2) Re: Red Baron print by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) Re[2]: Rumpler G-types by "Shelley Goodwin" 4) Flying Machine Press's Address by bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) 5) "Over the Battlefronts" by Bill Bacon 6) Vote tally by meba@cso.com 7) Re: Vote tally by aew (Allan Wright) 8) Re: Re[2]: Rumpler G-types by Carlos Valdes 9) Re: Rumpler G-types by Graham Nash 10) more book info by Carlos Valdes 11) more book info by Brian Nicklas 12) Wednesday, 1 November 1916, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 13) Re[2]: Rumpler G-types by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Re: "Over the Battlefronts" by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re: more book info by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:23:50 Eastern Standard Time From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Roll Models Message-ID: <19961031222350.1ab30af5.in@legend.firstsaga.com> If you haven't ordered from this operation yet, don't miss the next opportunity. I have placed two seperate orders, one via the internet and one via the telephone. In both instances the service was superb, all items arrived in good condition, and their customer service is fantastic! Not affilliated in any way, just one REAL happy customer. Len lfendy@firstsaga.com _ Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 22:31:54 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron print Message-ID: <9609318468.AA846833660@mx.Ricochet.net> Carlos, Begging your pardon, but that address is no longer current. They moved down to L.A.: Flying Machine Publishing 1318 N. Mansfield Ave #-308 Los Angeles, CA 90028-7671 (213) 461-4878 S, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Red Baron print Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/31/96 6:42 PM The address of Flying Machines Press, which I believe has the Baron's a/c print, is 1216 Cuernavaca Circulo Mountain View, CA 94040 Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 22:25:52 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <9609318468.AA846833650@mx.Ricochet.net> Carlos, Muchos gracias. I'm thinking of extrapofaking some plans for these neato bombers. Do you happen to have photos that are different from the two in the Harleyford book? YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/31/96 6:39 PM Riordan, According to Gray and Thetford, the Rumpler 4A 15 appeared in March and was destroyed in April 1915. Engines: two 150 hp Benz III; Span: 18.75 m; Length: 11.8 m. The GI (5A 15) went into small scale production in 1915. Engines: two 160 hp Mercedes or 150 hp Benz; Span: 19.28 m; Length:11.8 m; Area: 78.68 m: Height: 4 m; Weights: 1998 kg empty and 2938 kg loaded; Speed: 145 kph; Climb: 800 m in seven min. and 4000 m in 2 hr.; Duration: around 4 hr. The G.II (5A 16) was practically the same but for 220 ho Benz IV engines and an armament of two rather than one gun. The G.III (6G 2) was the final development. Engines: two 260 hp Mercedes D IVa; Span: 19.3 m; Length: 12 m; Height: 4.5 m. Weights: 2295 kg empty and 3620 kg loaded. HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:44:03 -0400 From: bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Flying Machine Press's Address Message-ID: - The correct address for Flying Machines Press (FMP) is: Flying Machines Press 35 Chelsea Street Stratford CT 06497 The California address is not involved in direct sales of any of the FMP prints or books and will have to forward any mail to the above address. - Anyone interested in obtaining either or both of the FMP prints--"Manfred von Richtofen--The Red Baron and His Aircraft" and "Igor Sikorsky--A Pioneer and His Vision--The Russion Years"-- or any of the FMP books at a discount should contact me directly. Bob Mills ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 08:17:16 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: "World War I modeler's list" Subject: "Over the Battlefronts" Message-ID: <327A066C.25F7@netjava.net> Friends, Here is a press release on Peter K's latest book. Get it, it's great. > CENTRAL CONNECTICUT STATE UNIVERSITY > New Britain, Connecticut 06050 > > > News Release Stephen Ross > CCSU News Bureau > (860) 832-1790 > > > > CCSU Administrator's Eighth Book Covers > Many Phases of World War I Air Combat History > > NEW BRITAIN -- Can the slow, frail aircraft criss-crossing the > battlefields of World War I truly be of the same century as the > computer-guided air weapons launched from miles away during the Gulf > War? Yes, the open-cockpit "flying crates" of 1914-1918 did share the > same sky, but the biplanes and triplanes saw more natural drama, > remarkable bravery and unbelievable daring. The latter point is amply > demonstrated by the true stories in Peter Kilduff's new book "Over the > Battlefronts: Amazing Air Actions of World War One" (Sterling Publishing > Co., New York). > The author is director of university relations at Central > Connecticut State University but the new book, his eighth, is far > removed the serenity of the campus. In "Over the Battlefronts", Kilduff > takes the reader into the primitive air combat of eight decades ago. > He relates the exploits of an Austro-Hungarian flying boat ace, a > 52-year-old Italian poet and highly decorated flier, German crewmembers > trying to survive in a blazing Zeppelin, an American flying with the > Royal Air Force and shooting down a Fokker fighter, a balloonist firing > his rifle to knock down an attacking Russian aircraft, and other > fighter and bomber crews for whom each flight was a journey into > unknown territory. > Kilduff, whose 40-year study of World War I aviation history has > taken him to archives in the U.S. and abroad, says he has long wanted > to write about these little-known air actions: "Combat reports and > other records are full of 'nuggets' that don't offer enough information > for a book, but make interesting stories on their own. When my > publisher asked me for an anthology, I had material ready to go. There > are a few 'big names' in the book, but most of the fliers portrayed > were ordinary people who did their duty and then went about their > lives. In many cases, when I contacted the families and friends of > these fliers, they were surprised that the old records still exist." > The author recalls one episode involving international politics: > "After I made contact in what was the communist satellite of East > Germany, the family didn't want it known that a member had flown under > the regime of the last Kaiser (emperor). They felt it would not be > good for them to be identified with 'imperialists.' After the > communist regime fell in 1990, the eastern German family suddenly > 'discovered' fascinating photos that I use in my book," Kilduff said. > Military aviation history has long been Peter Kilduff's hobby, but > recently it has propelled him to a certain celebrity status in print > and on national television. With the appearance of "Over the > Battlefronts," Kilduff has three books in print at the same time. His > biography of famed fighter ace Manfred von Richthofen -- titled > "Richthofen - Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron" -- is now in its second > printing (John Wiley & Sons., Inc., New York). An earlier book -- > "Germany's First Air Force 1914-1918" -- has just appeared in a second > edition (Sterling Publishing Co., New York). He has also contributed > to two new anthologies: "Classic Royal Air Force Battles" edited by RAF > Air Chief Marshal Sir Michael Armitage (Sterling Publishing Co.), and > "Facing Armageddon: The First World War Experienced" edited by Dr. Hugh > Cecil and Prof. Peter H. Liddle of the University of Leeds (Leo Cooper, > London). > In addition to his recent appearance on the Arts & Entertainment > Network's "Biography" segment on the Red Baron, Peter Kilduff provided > research for The History Channel's recent "Four Years of Thunder" > series about World War I aviation. He will appear in the forthcoming > television series "Airpower Showdown" produced by Aviation Week & Space > Technology magazine. > The author of five other books on aviation history -- including > one on A-4 Skyhawk jet aircraft and one on World War II aircraft > carrier operations -- Kilduff is currently working on his ninth book. > It will be a companion volume to his Richthofen biography. Peter Kilduff > is a founding member and immediate past president of The League of World > War I Aviation Historians, as well as former managing editor of its > quarterly journal "Over the Front." > > # # # Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:31:38 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Vote tally Message-ID: <199611010830.IAA02322@cso.com> I finally got around to tallying up the votes for the top 5 kits, as FSM wants them. A couple of explanations. Many of you sent me more than five requests. So, I took the first five, and dropped the rest. This was bad for scale specific people, as most of those multiples were entered as "top 5 1/48th" followed by "top 5 1/72nd". The request was for your top 5 wants - period. A few people also sent something like "Rumpler C-type", so I would just add the first Rumpler two-seater, aka Rumpler C.I - unless there was already votes for another Rumpler C-type. There were 23 participants. Most emailed your lists to me at work - good for you - while others sent them to the email list only - naughty, naughty. Granted, I had to problem with you sending your want lists to the list, but since I don't get loose at work, I would have to forward them from home. Just a bit more time on my end. So, without further ado, here are the top 5: 1) Bristol F2b, 1/48th, 9 votes 2) Halberstadt D.II, 1/48th, 7 votes 3) Sopwith Camel, 1/48th, 5 votes 4) Albatros D.III, 1/72nd, 4 votes 5) SPAD 7, 1/72nd, 4 votes It does appear you 1/4in scale wee - ugh, builders do outnumber those who model in the Scale of Hustad. Such a shame. ;-) Actually, I was quite impressed - and amazed - at just how many votes the BrisFit got. So, I will email the above top 5 to FSM. I do hope all of you have been emailing your lists to FSM as well. This way we have not only each others lists that FSM will tally, but now we can add just another vote to that important tally. If anybody wants, I have the total tally sheet - not just the top 5 - in HTML. I figure it's easier to send this way if anybody wants to see it - since most of us have some form of web browser. If there's enough interest I can email it to the list; however, it's kind of large, so there's that to think of. How about this: if you want to total tally, email me *at work* and I'll send you your own copy. I *will ignore* any request that goes directly to the list, and doesn't come to me here, at work. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vote tally Message-ID: <199611011444.JAA04093@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > If anybody wants, I have the total tally sheet - not just the top > 5 - in HTML. I figure it's easier to send this way if anybody > wants to see it - since most of us have some form of web browser. Sounds like a good article for the WWW page - send it to my personal mail and I-ll put it on-line in the News, News, News section. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:02:35 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961101101612.401f7b4a@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Riordan, The only photos I have are the ones in the Gray and Thetford book. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:40:52 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <199611011635.AA01819@egate.citicorp.com> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > Riordan, > The only photos I have are the ones in the Gray and Thetford book. > Carlos My database shows only the following books as sources of photos-no plans in any of them. Items may be marked with one or more *'s to show how useful they are. Rumpler G.I/G.II/G.III Book Publisher Author Aircraft of World War I Ian Allen Ltd Kenneth Munson Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik* (G.I/G.II only) Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra Eisernes Kreuz und Balkenkreuz* Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam & Co Thetford & Gray German Bombers of World War One (Vintage Aviation Fotofax)** (G.I/G.II only) Arms and Armour Press Alex Imrie Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft Part 142 (Part Work in 204 Parts/18 Volumes) Orbis Publishing C.Chant (Ed) Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20)* Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas World War 1 Aeroplanes (G.III only) Ward Lock Ltd G.C.Davies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:44:34 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: more book info Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961101125810.3f372ad6@conted.swann.gatech.edu> I came across the following tidbit somewhere on the net: Squadron is apparently going to publish an In Action title on the Fokker D.VII early next year. It's about time, but I hope they do a beter job with it than they did with the Dr.I. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 96 15:44:33 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: more book info Message-ID: <199611012043.PAA04914@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Since Heinz Nowarra has been dead a few years, I don't think he'll be writing anything like his Squadron Dr.I book. I'm glad he wrote what he did in any case... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 20:22:56 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 1 November 1916, Paris Message-ID: <327ACCA0.1A95@host.dmsc.net> At Helen's last evening before taking train and met her brother, Reymond who is my age and in American Ambulance service near Verdun. Just caught the train comfortable all night in 1st class compartment. Slept well. Arrived in Pau at noon. Had lunch at Hotel Continental and got to school at 3. Hoskier & Rocle here. Postal from darling Gerty written Oct 2 asking why I don't write. For some miserable reason she hasn't been receiving any of the many letters I've written. ********************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 17:11:48 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <9610018469.AA846900740@mx.Ricochet.net> Carlos, I'm wondering if your Thetford & Gray book has the same two pics that I have; a medium 3/4 forward view of the left side of a G.I ("G.16" on rudder) and a near profile sorta close shot (left side) of a G.III w/a dark nose & rudder, light colored naceles, struts, wheel covers and two-tone camoflage aft of the wings, tail on stand. TIA, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 11/1/96 9:34 AM Carlos Valdes wrote: > > Riordan, > The only photos I have are the ones in the Gray and Thetford book. > Carlos My database shows only the following books as sources of photos-no plans in any of them. Items may be marked with one or more *'s to show how useful they are. Rumpler G.I/G.II/G.III Book Publisher Author Aircraft of World War I Ian Allen Ltd Kenneth Munson Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the First World War Harleyford W Lamberton Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik* (G.I/G.II only) Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Bruno Lange Die Entwicklung der Flugzeug 1914-1918 J.F.Lehmanns Verlag Heinz J.Nowarra Eisernes Kreuz und Balkenkreuz* Verlag Dieter Hoffmann Heinz J.Nowarra German Aircraft of the First World War Putnam & Co Thetford & Gray German Bombers of World War One (Vintage Aviation Fotofax)** (G.I/G.II only) Arms and Armour Press Alex Imrie Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft Part 142 (Part Work in 204 Parts/18 Volumes) Orbis Publishing C.Chant (Ed) Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 (Luftfahrt Dokument Nr.20)* Karl R.Pawlas Karl R.Pawlas World War 1 Aeroplanes (G.III only) Ward Lock Ltd G.C.Davies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Over the Battlefronts" Message-ID: <199611020207.VAA27927@ns1.ptd.net> At 09:17 AM 11/1/96 -0500, Bill Bacon wrote: >Friends, > >Here is a press release on Peter K's latest book. Get it, it's great. TOTAL DELETIONS Hey! They left out he's in our group! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: more book info Message-ID: <199611020207.VAA27940@ns1.ptd.net> At 03:44 PM 11/1/96 -0500, Brian Nicklas wrote: >Since Heinz Nowarra has been dead a few years, I don't think >he'll be writing anything like his Squadron Dr.I book. >I'm glad he wrote what he did in any case... Hey Brian....I see you survived your flight. Mike Muth ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 314 *********************