WWI Digest 313 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re[4]: by aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) 2) Aileron cranks by Sandy Adam 3) Re: Aileron cranks by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 4) re: Richthofen Print (ADV) by Jack Berlien 5) Re: Richthofen Print (ADV) by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 6) Armor question by meba@cso.com 7) re: Richthofen Print (ADV) by Carlos Valdes 8) Re: Armor question by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Monday, 30 October 1916, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 10) Tuesday, 31 October 1916, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 11) Mail order paints by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 12) Monday, 30 October 1916, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 13) Re: Armor question by MCCLURE@skynet.litc.lockheed.com 14) re: Armor question by Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) 15) New book by Carlos Valdes 16) Re: Aileron cranks by "Gerald P. McOsker" 17) Re: Aileron cranks by Rob 18) Re: Mail order paints by Joseph Gentile 19) Re: Mail order paints by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 20) Rumpler G-types by "Shelley Goodwin" 21) Re[6]: by "Shelley Goodwin" 22) Re: Rumpler G-types by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 23) Red Baron print by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:36:30 -0500 From: aero@baynet.net (Jim Lyzun) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[4]: Message-ID: <199610310436.XAA23857@focus.baynet.net> >That would be great; one of my interests is the Kosciuszko Squadron and aircraft >of the Russo-Polish War. None of the Hannovers or any of the others in this volume bear the familiar Kosciuszkow emblem. I have a profile of an Ansaldo Ballila and SPAD 51 C1 with this however. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:09:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Aileron cranks Message-ID: I'm working on two or three Sierra 1/48 vacs just now - Roland DII & DVI and Phonix DII - and I'm at the stage of putting in details such as aileron cranks. I usually make these out of plasticard strip but at this moment I keep casting lusting eyes at the brass frets in some unmade Eduard kits. Does anybody know if there is anything available in the add-on market? A brass sheet with rows of cranks of various sizes and designs would surely be a good seller. Any help appreciated. Sandy PS - if such a thing doesn't exist maybe I should add this to list of Top 5 wants for FSM? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:47:34 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aileron cranks Message-ID: <19961031.054434.4447.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:09:25 -0500 Sandy Adam writes: > I'm working on two or three Sierra 1/48 vacs just now - > Roland DII & DVI and Phonix DII - and I'm at the stage of > putting in details such as aileron cranks. I usually make > these out of plasticard strip but at this moment I keep > casting lusting eyes at the brass frets in some unmade > Eduard kits. Does anybody know if there is anything > available in the add-on market? A brass sheet with rows > of cranks of various sizes and designs would surely be a > good seller. Any help appreciated. Sandy Look at the Tom's Modelworks German "interior" set. Comes with a few aileron cranks, hence the quotes. > PS - if such a thing doesn't exist maybe I should add this > to list of Top 5 wants for FSM? I don't think that's what FSM is looking for. The editorial specifically mentions top 5 kit wants. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:18:18 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: Richthofen Print (ADV) Message-ID: I am looking for a print (I don't think it's the one you mentioned below) but perhaps you can help me anyway. The print I am looking for was dated 1994 (don't remember the illustrator) but shows side views (very similar to those shown in Datafiles) of all of Richtofen's aircraft, there are about 10 or so of them, in color. I saw it in a restaurant in Hot Springs, AR, the owner of which is an aviation buff. Anybody know what this is called, and where I could get one? Thanks and best regards, Jack **************************************************** Jack Berlien 214-995-3257 Email: j-berlien@ti.com "A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer." ------------------ Original text From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net, on 10/29/96 6:41 PM: To: Multiple recipients of list For those of you that collect limite edition prints there will be a new print by James Dietz featuring Richthofen's DRI. I'll send more details once we seen the print. It's suppose to retail for $135.00 US. Pre-order prior to November 11 and we'll take 15% off and free postage. Juan @ Sopwith (305) 665-5730 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:29:07 -0600 (CST) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Richthofen Print (ADV) Message-ID: <9610311529.AA21945@deimos.tx.iex.com> > > I am looking for a print (I don't think it's the one you mentioned below) > but perhaps you can help me anyway. The print I am looking for was dated > 1994 (don't remember the illustrator) but shows side views (very similar > to those shown in Datafiles) of all of Richtofen's aircraft, there are > about 10 or so of them, in color. I saw it in a restaurant in Hot Springs, > AR, the owner of which is an aviation buff. > > Anybody know what this is called, and where I could get one? Not sure what it is called but it is available from WWI Aero. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:18:18 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Armor question Message-ID: <199610301217.MAA16561@cso.com> In perusing the French armor modeling magazine - Steel Masters - the Nov/Dec issue has a diorama featuring an A7V and two Rolls-Royce armored cars in 1/72nd scale. Although I can't read a lick of French, it looks like the A7V is made by "Fine Scale Factory", and the Rolls-Royce cars by "Retromodels". Anybody know anymore about these companies, and if they're available in the states? TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:13:29 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: re: Richthofen Print (ADV) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961031102705.317f2306@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Jack, I have the print (it really is very nice). I got it from Flying Machines Press--the one that pulishes the Austro Hungarian a/c and Imperal Russian books. I'll try to post the address when I get home (provided I can find it amid all my papers). The print is called The Aircraft of the Red Baron, I think. BTW, there is also a print covering the Russian designer of the Yllia Murometz (sp?). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:36:47 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Armor question Message-ID: <199610311636.AA19977@ednet1.orednet.org> Matt wrote: >In perusing the French armor modeling magazine - Steel Masters - >the Nov/Dec issue has a diorama featuring an A7V and two >Rolls-Royce armored cars in 1/72nd scale. > >Although I can't read a lick of French, it looks like the A7V is >made by "Fine Scale Factory", and the Rolls-Royce cars by >"Retromodels". > >Anybody know anymore about these companies, and if they're >available in the states? TIA! Re-posting my previous post: "Reviresco has just released four new white metal kits of World War One Armored Cars and Vehicles: Rolls Royce Armored Car model 1914, Rolls Royce Armored Car model 1916 (see attached jpg), Twin turreted Austin Armored Car 1914, and the Crosly tender. These kits are highly detailed in 1/72nd scale. $8.00 each plus shipping. Available at Reviresco, c/o John McEwan, 1119 San Francisco Ave. Olympia, WA 98506 Visa, Mastercard accepted. I know nothing about this company so no endorsement implied." Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:10:37 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 30 October 1916, Paris Message-ID: <327915CD.40FD@host.dmsc.net> Rather a rainy day, up early to do some work for the Major. Went to see Mr Grundy and Mr Berquin in a.m. Met a Mr Forbes at luncheon with the Parkers. He is interested in entering the Aviation Corps. Saw Dr Gros in p.m. and found he is pleased at all the reports about my work. Met a Mr Glenndanning of Phila who is much interested in our corps. Is a good friend to know. At A.A. with Helen in late p.m. Saw Balsley. Dined at Harpers. Helen is mighty sweet. ********************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrill Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:14:55 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 31 October 1916, Paris Message-ID: <327916CF.44CD@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. Up early and went to call on Miss Mooney to find if she was leaving for England. She leaves some day soon. Bought Aviation Helmet (fur-lined) for $9.20 will need it. Had visit with Paul Rockwell & Mrs Weeks. Went on lovely walk with Helen from 11 to 12 thru Bois de Borelagne. Last I'll see of her til I return from Pau. Lunch with Parkers. Saw Helen in p.m. Had ice cream in town with Miss Mooney in late p.m. Dinner with Parkers and left for Pau, on 9:50 train. ************************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:24:34 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Mail order paints Message-ID: <32791912.6075@host.dmsc.net> Has anyone out there attempted to put together a basic stock of acrylic WWI colors by mail order? I am not within driving range of a hobby shop and must do everything by mail-- so far none of the catalogues I have (Squadron, Rosemont) offer paint chips. I just got my first Datafile Special on Nieuports, and some other sources, and so can begin to guess at basic colors I should have, but until I can match the pictures in the books to paint chips I'm just guessing. All the catalogues offer are NAMES of colors, which aren't of much use. I'd be grateful for any suggestions-- I can't be the only one on this list who is dependent on mail. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:26:19 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 30 October 1916, Paris Message-ID: <3279197B.65E4@host.dmsc.net> Rather a rainy day, up early to do some work for the Major. Went to see Mr Grundy and Mr Berquin in a.m. Met a Mr Forbes at luncheon with the Parkers. He is interested in entering the Aviation Corps. Saw Dr Gros in p.m. and found he is pleased at all the reports about my work. Met a Mr Glenndanning of Phila who is much interested in our corps. Is a good friend to know. At A.A. with Helen in late p.m. Saw Balsley. Dined at Harpers. Helen is mighty sweet. ********************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 9:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: MCCLURE@skynet.litc.lockheed.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Armor question Message-ID: <961031093148.206184e5@skynet.litc.lockheed.com> Word has it that Reviresco is considering doing one of the Russian Austin armored cars - the Austin Putilov. This vehicle was one of those that had the ability to be converted to a "halftrack", and my understanding is that the kit would provide parts for both the normal wheeled version and the halftrack version. Kent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 18:31 +0100 From: Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) To: INTERNET:wwi Subject: re: Armor question Message-ID: Hi Matt, I had the luck of visiting their exhibition on the Dortmund Model Show this Spring, where they had beautiful dioramas. I bought the A7V instantly (excellent quality, resin, about $ 20.-). They offer several WWI-kits, mainly guns, cannons and howitzers. Their news gor this year are the A7V and the French St.Chamont (late version) and they work on more. They are all scale 1/72, not 1/76. Their adress is Hartmann, Seifried, Surmann Gbr Bellerslohstrasse 19 D-58452 Witten Germany Fax: 0049 - 2302 - 276816 The exclusive distributor in the U.S. is Brookhurst Hobbies 12188 Brookhurst St. Garden Grove CA 92640 e-mail Brookhobby@aol.com or 103224.2672@compuserve.com Fax: 714 - 636 - 9150 I hope this is of any help. Ciao Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:15:28 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: New book Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961031122903.32d741d0@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, I just got one of the two latest offerings from Grub Street/N. Franks et al: The Jasta Pilots. It's a great reference, done in the style of Above the Lines etc. with photos and unit histories and an alphabetical listing of available info on ALL (that could be found) pilots that ever flew with a Jasta; there are also lists of the airfields the various jastas used as well as of the large number of jagdgrupen formed during the war. Of special interest to this group is a section describing the colors and markings of the jastas and their pilots, illustrated with tiny but great black and white profiles of representative a/c done by Greg vanWyngarden. Of necessity, these descriptions are rather short--and sometimes a bit simplistic or misleading IMO--but still provide us with a good start on a database of jasta colors (although no references are provided). All in all, this book is a must-have for jasta lovers. It goes for around $50, but if you get it through the mail--as I did--it can be had for less. BTW, the other new Grub street book--which I don't yet have--is Who Downed the Aces in WWI. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:23:45 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aileron cranks Message-ID: <32790AD2.56D3@wsii.com> Sandy- I cut the aileron cranks out of the Eduard brass sheet with a Motor Tool- wear glasses- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:53:56 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Aileron cranks Message-ID: <9610311347.aa20750@scosysv.speechsys.com> I make these by squashing pieces of brass wire in a smooth-jawed pliers and filing to shape. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:55:29 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Mail order paints Message-ID: <199610312155.PAA17287@Walden.MO.NET> At 12:28 PM 10/31/96 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone out there attempted to put together a basic stock of acrylic WWI colors by >mail order? I am not within driving range of a hobby shop and must do everything by >mail-- so far none of the catalogues I have (Squadron, Rosemont) offer paint chips. I >just got my first Datafile Special on Nieuports, and some other sources, and so can >begin to guess at basic colors I should have, but until I can match the pictures in >the books to paint chips I'm just guessing. All the catalogues offer are NAMES of >colors, which aren't of much use. I'd be grateful for any suggestions-- I can't be the >only one on this list who is dependent on mail. > >Bradley > Jose at Sopwith has what seems to be a nice color chart/mixing guide available with his catalog. He carries Humbrol, Polyscale and Xtracolor paints. 305-665-5730. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:04:10 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Mail order paints Message-ID: <32795A9A.242D@host.dmsc.net> Joseph Gentile wrote: > > At 12:28 PM 10/31/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Has anyone out there attempted to put together a basic stock of acrylic WWI > colors by > >mail order? I am not within driving range of a hobby shop and must do > everything by > >mail-- so far none of the catalogues I have (Squadron, Rosemont) offer > paint chips. I > >just got my first Datafile Special on Nieuports, and some other sources, > and so can > >begin to guess at basic colors I should have, but until I can match the > pictures in > >the books to paint chips I'm just guessing. All the catalogues offer are > NAMES of > >colors, which aren't of much use. I'd be grateful for any suggestions-- I > can't be the > >only one on this list who is dependent on mail. > > > >Bradley > > > Jose at Sopwith has what seems to be a nice color chart/mixing guide > available with his catalog. He carries Humbrol, Polyscale and Xtracolor > paints. 305-665-5730. Thanks very much, Joseph!-- I will give him a call. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 17:20:29 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <9609318468.AA846814858@mx.Ricochet.net> Thats right. Rumpler made some Grossfleugzeuge that entered service in the middle of 1915.Anyone have the Peter Gray book that is willing to look up the technichal data on the rare birds for me? If there are any plans features for these that anyone has or knows of, please let me know. Also interested in the LVG G.III triplane... Inqy, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 17:06:04 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[6]: Message-ID: <9609318468.AA846814848@mx.Ricochet.net> Jim, I think the Americans in the Kosciuszko Sq only flew Alb./OEF D.IIIs and Balillas, with the exception of Murray who brought his own Camel with him. I am interested in all the aircraft of the Russo-Polish war, not just those of the K. Sq., so I'm still interested... TIA, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/30/96 9:39 PM >That would be great; one of my interests is the Kosciuszko Squadron and aircraft >of the Russo-Polish War. None of the Hannovers or any of the others in this volume bear the familiar Kosciuszkow emblem. I have a profile of an Ansaldo Ballila and SPAD 51 C1 with this however. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 20:39:50 EST From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rumpler G-types Message-ID: <199611010139.VAA24536@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Riordan, According to Gray and Thetford, the Rumpler 4A 15 appeared in March and was destroyed in April 1915. Engines: two 150 hp Benz III; Span: 18.75 m; Length: 11.8 m. The GI (5A 15) went into small scale production in 1915. Engines: two 160 hp Mercedes or 150 hp Benz; Span: 19.28 m; Length:11.8 m; Area: 78.68 m: Height: 4 m; Weights: 1998 kg empty and 2938 kg loaded; Speed: 145 kph; Climb: 800 m in seven min. and 4000 m in 2 hr.; Duration: around 4 hr. The G.II (5A 16) was practically the same but for 220 ho Benz IV engines and an armament of two rather than one gun. The G.III (6G 2) was the final development. Engines: two 260 hp Mercedes D IVa; Span: 19.3 m; Length: 12 m; Height: 4.5 m. Weights: 2295 kg empty and 3620 kg loaded. HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 20:43:41 EST From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Red Baron print Message-ID: <199611010143.VAA24558@conted.swann.gatech.edu> The address of Flying Machines Press, which I believe has the Baron's a/c print, is 1216 Cuernavaca Circulo Mountain View, CA 94040 Carlos ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 313 *********************