WWI Digest 307 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pegasus D.V by DavidL1217@aol.com 2) Re: Top 5 by DavidL1217@aol.com 3) Re: Top 5 by DavidL1217@aol.com 4) Re: Top 5 by DavidL1217@aol.com 5) Re: "Sanding" hard photoetch by John Huggins 6) Re: Reference Material by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Introduction by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 8) Re: Top 5 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Re: Top 5 by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 10) Re[2]: Reference Material by "Shelley Goodwin" 11) Questions of the Week by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re[2]: Introduction by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re: Musik while modelling? by Gerald McOsker 14) Re: Questions of the Week by Alberto Rada 15) Re: Musik while modelling? by "S.M. Head" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:59:32 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus D.V Message-ID: <961025225931_218221083@emout18.mail.aol.com> I certainly wish that Chris Gannon would quite using soft metal for his struts and landing gear! One hard knock and the strut and rigging are ruined. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:13:37 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: <961025231335_218227884@emout15.mail.aol.com> I thought I should add my $.02 worth. Let me answer this in both scales. Obviously, many of my suggestions would be for long overdue corrections of grossly inaccurate kits. (Sorry Airfix) 1/72 "Master Scale" 1. SPAD VII 2. RE8 3. Avro 504 4. Albatros DI/DII 5.Caudron G6 1/48 "Scale of Kings" 1. SE5a 2.Caudron G3 3.Albatros DI/DII 4.DFW CV 5. Voisin LAIII ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:18:45 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: <961025231844_218230274@emout19.mail.aol.com> Tom's Modelworks is planning to release several 1/32 kits! This appeared in teh Aviation USK Catalogue.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:39:38 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: <961025233937_218239708@emout11.mail.aol.com> We forgot SHIP MODELS. So here goes>>> 1. SMS Derflinger/Lutzow 1/700 2. Tiger Class Battlecruiser 1/700 3. SMS Goeben 1/700 (I recently read a 1968 book that showed the Goeben alive and well in Turkey where it had been since '15. Is it still afloat? 4. SMS Helgoland/Thuringen/Ostfriesland/Oldenberg 5. British "Queen Elizabeth" class battleships Aircraft left out of previous list: accurate Bristol F2B in 1/72 & 1/48! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:43:29 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: "Sanding" hard photoetch Message-ID: >About "steel" and the harder photoetch. > >I've made a tool that's invaluable. Since friends of mine >are in the hospital business, I have gotten a few hemostats >(those plier-type things that clamp in the middle). Since >most - if not all - are serated (in an other word, "teeth") >something must be done so as not to leave a bite mark in >your work. :-) > >Take you handy dandy Dremel, and "file" away those teeth. > That is one way to get a smooth jaw tool. The other is to look at the Squadron Tool listing. They have a smooth jaw hemostat and some other steel tools that work wery well with the scale of kings and can also be used on the larger blind man's kits (1/48 & larger). I build in the kings scale also. John H Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 00:02:51 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Reference Material Message-ID: <199610260402.AAA29636@fw.true.net> >> > We are open to suggestions as to how to protect what we >> > have and hopefully contributios from others. A first of >> > the year startup date might be reasonable. >> >> Have you thought about maybe a small donation for each book >> "borrowed"? That way you have some extra money just in >> case. Assuming we can trust you. ;-) >> >> Matt How if we did this as part of the list but as volunteer group within it and let's say there is an inscription fee of + - $ 20.00 or its equivalent in books, this in a way protects the library from forgetful borrowers, I agree there should be a fee for every book lent plus mailing costs, Some time ago I bought a beautiful book " Air Aces of the Austro Hungarian Empire 1914 - 1918 by no less than Dr. Martin O'Connor, One month later it was my birthday, and what do you know, it was given to me as a gift. I am the only the only crazy guy in Venezuela that has a hunch on this era, so no one to sell it to. This copy is still wrapped and I will happily donate it to the Library, just let me know the snail mail address to send it to. SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 96 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Introduction Message-ID: <199610260457.AAA24222@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Sandy, Please allow me to add my welcome to this group. I'm sure you'll find it both entertaining and informative. I, too, have a Scottish connection. My mother's parents were immigrants to the US in the 1920's from Perth, Scotland. My grandfather served in the Black Watch during the First World War and I had an uncle in Lancasters during the second one. You wrote: > Lozenge decals: if covering upper and > lower surfaces with trannies, I cut oversize then trim once in position along > leading and trailing edge. The first surface is easy but the second requires > very careful cutting or sanding along the edge without damaging the side > already covered - especially when MicroSol is applied. Is there any magic way > of doing this or is this as good as it gets? I used to hand-paint lozenges and > sometimes think on a complex shape it may actually be quicker as well as a > lot cheaper. Thoughts/advice please? Here's my technique. (It works well with 1/72 aircraft - no guarantees for its efficacy on larger scales.) I find a Flexifile with the finest grit easily trims the overlap with little danger of tearing the decal. I usually wait about 30 minutes between application of Microsol and sanding. Much sooner, and the decal hasn't had enough opportunity to set up and may shift. Much later, and the overlap may have adhered to the first decal. Welcome aboard, Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:40:33 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: <199610260540.AA27218@ednet1.orednet.org> DavidL wrote: >3. SMS Goeben 1/700 (I recently read a 1968 book that showed the Goeben >alive and well in Turkey where it had been since '15. Is it still afloat? Alas, the Goeben has been razor blades since the '60's. Even prior to her final scrapping, there wasn't much left of the original WW1 ship save the hull. Much like the USS Oregon, of Spanish American War fame (and a recommissioning for service in WW1), the hull of which, and not much else, survived into the early '50's. There was just not enough of the original of either of these ships left for it to be worth even considering saving or restoring 'em. Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:31:40 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: <199610260831.BAA21958@bing.ncw.net> On 10/25, David wrote: >We forgot SHIP MODELS. So here goes>>> [snip] >3. SMS Goeben 1/700 (I recently read a 1968 book that showed the Goeben >alive and well in Turkey where it had been since '15. Is it still afloat? As Charles pointed out, the Goeben has unfortunately gone to the great scrapyard in the sky, though at least it survived much longer than most other ships of its time. Although I'm not a ship modeller, I'm surprised no one's put out a kit of this ship or it's equally notorious comrade, SMS Breslau, simply due to their historic significance in the Great War. Just prior to the beginning of the war, Turkey had contracted with Britain to build two modern battle cruisers to help beef up it's aging, outdated fleet. However, at the outbreak of hostilities, the Brits decided they needed to keep every ship they could get their hands on, including the two for Turkey that were nearing completion (I'm not sure if the Turks ever got their money back). Being that Turkey was still officially neutral, this action did not sit too well with them. Enter Uncle Wilhelm, who had two new battle cruisers, SMS Goeben and SMS Breslau, that were on the run from the Royal Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean, and in desperate need of a safe port. In the blink of an eye, both ships were pronounced "sold" to the Turkish Navy, and allowed passage through the Dardanelles to Constantinople, where the Breslau was renamed Midilli, and the Goeben renamed Sultan Selim Yavuz. The German offficers and crew remained on board, and merely changed into Turkish naval uniforms, including red fezzes. On October 30, 1914 both ships initiated a bombardment of Russian forts along the Black Sea, marking the first hostile action by Turkey against the Allies. Interestingly enough, both ships seem to have - from what I've read - spent most of the war in the Black Sea and/or around Constantinople, and rarely made it back out into the Mediterranean. On January 20, 1918, both ships made a run for it through the Dardanelles, but were caught by British aircraft and seaplanes from Tenedos and Lemnos. The Breslau/Midilli was sunk by bombs, but the Goeben/Yavuz made it back through the straits, escorted by German seaplane and Turkish land based squadrons. Too bad a vessel of such historic significance has to end up as razors.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 09:39:41 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Reference Material Message-ID: <9609268463.AA846349460@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, My ever-helpful spouse suggested digitizing the portions of ref. materials requested. Hi this is Shelley, I am taking over this e-mail message as some of the meaning may be lost in the translation: Aside from typing the material in, which is not an option, we are able to scan images/text and convert them into various graphics files such as tif, eps, jpeg, etc. From this format, I have OCR (optical character recognition) software at work that we use for resumes which can read the scanned images and convert them into a word processing format such as MSWord, WordPerfect or a more basic text format. The other option which we need to research further is the Acrobat Reader software. It is available free to anyone, you can download it from Adobe's home page or just copy it and pass it around. It is very useful for graphic and text mixed formats and many magazines and books have been transferred to this format. It is a great medium because files are small enough to be transferred on-line or on a few floppys via snail mail. Also, the text and images are "searchable" which is great for reference material. We just aren't sure how we get the materials prepared for this format. In addition, the copywright issue is important because this is serious reproduction. I will check out some copywright sites I found on the web and check into issues about materials that are out of print and the laws regarding periodicals. OK, back to Rory--- I'll attempt to get the C&C materials in the mail to you early this week. S, Riordan & Michelle ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Reference Material Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/25/96 5:04 PM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Bill, > > My better half informs me that we don't have Zip-drive but are > zip-capable and she has access Excel and Paradox for Windows and > thinks that it will convert dBase files. Have you started an index or > other directory file? > I would estimate up and running with simple bibliography within a few > weeks of receipt of ref. materials; database may take a few months to > create/adapt. I will be pouring over the materials as soon as I get > them, and I might get a better idea on useful ways to index them. I > was thinking of a stop-gap directory to the periodicals by copying > their table of contents pages and collecting them in a binder, so I > might better direct inquiries/requests... > I think we should state in the "charter" that it may not be practical > to ship a few of the oversized books. I don't mind making occasional > copies of less than 10 pages, incl. enlarging plans. > > Have you seen_Richtofen and Brown_ or _Zeppelin_? > > Perhaps we can persuade Mike to copy the Lafayette Esc. film for the > library. > > YT, > > Riordan > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Riordan, No, I'm not dead. My computer has been down for about a week and I have about 300 messages to digest if I can get my mail program to work right. I think I have it almost whipped. The Zipdrive is different from Zipped files. Zipped files are compressed files and are great but the Zip Drive is a separate drive and takes disks that hold 100meg of data. Real neat for backups etc. as the data is random accessable just like your hard drive. I have seen and I have _Richthofen and Brown_ and _Zeppelin_. Don't sink your cash in them, they aren't that great. Will send you a list of my WWI films and a brochure on the Zip Drive. If you have a problem with Xeroxing stuff, I have my own copier and can do copies if it would help. Peter Kilduff sent a bunch of stuff. Will go through it and get with you. Much to get squared away. Will send my stuff first of the week. Cheers, Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 10:04:03 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Questions of the Week Message-ID: <9609268463.AA846349487@mx.Ricochet.net> (Should be read in the Voice of Don Pardo) Thats right, it's time for Question of the Week, the game in which you get to answer the annoying questions of the ill-informed. 1. Any company still manufacture an aftermarket prop/spinner for 1/48 Pfalz D.III? If not, anyone got one to trade/sell? 2. There was mention of a Sopwith Camel book that listed the fates of nearly every serial number. Anybody have this book? 3. Has Windsock covered the obscure but shapely Albatros G.III in a plans feature? Anyone have any suggestions for a plans reference, such as the Harleyford book? Inquisitively, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 09:47:33 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Introduction Message-ID: <9609268463.AA846349469@mx.Ricochet.net> Rob, What speed/species of cutting wheel or disc do you recommend for the spring steel? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Introduction Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/25/96 10:06 AM Sandy Adam > Photoetched parts: with soft brass, such as Eduard there is little > problem - a knife easily detaches the part. But for the awful spring > steel which inhabits Dragons (DML) and the new Eduards like the Sopwith > Tripe - I resort to a pair of side cutters which inevitably leave a rough > edge on the part. Trying to hold something like a dashboard switch whilst > filing it down becomes ridiculous. Is there any easier way? First a caveat: I haven't tried this yet, but I plan to (or maybe not if I get you to try it it first and it is a disaster). When I get around to building these, I will tape the parts down so they don't fly of into the outer darkness. Then I will, where possible, cut the parts off the sprues with a cut-off wheel/ motor tool. If you secure everything and have a light touch, this can be quite precise. It will cut a bevel in hypodermic needle (for a pitot tube), so it ought to be able to cope with any steel there is. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 20:09:11 -0400 From: Gerald McOsker To: wwi Subject: Re: Musik while modelling? Message-ID: <3272A825.164E@wsii.com> Being an optimist- and while doing my perennial Oeffag Albatrossen- well of course I have a new Johan Strauss CD- und I valz mein self thru the vicissitudes of having to cut front third of the vac fuselage because I mispositioned the engine. I know vacs are great ...but- sometimes locating pins, holes ridges are a bloody blessing. That aside- I went out today to get my costume for next weeks party- =93Braveheart=94 of course I=92m scratchbuilding a 12C [ or is it 11th] claymore and - well there I was in the womans section buying two kilts [royal stuart- but then] and wanting to try the damn thing on but knowing every eye in the place would be on me- Send in the Irish - they=92re cheap!=94 Wieder- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 20:16:49 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Questions of the Week Message-ID: <199610270016.UAA12643@fw.true.net> At 01:08 PM 10/26/96 -0400, you wrote: > (Should be read in the Voice of Don Pardo) Thats right, it's time for > Question of the Week, the game in which you get to answer the annoying > questions of the ill-informed. > > 1. Any company still manufacture an aftermarket prop/spinner for 1/48 > Pfalz D.III? If not, anyone got one to trade/sell? > Inquisitively, > > Riordan > > I think a Blue Max can still be found arround, by the way it is better to buy it direct from them ( Pegasus ) Great Britain 01227 277569 SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:35:40 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Musik while modelling? Message-ID: <9610262104.aa01093@mail.iapc.net> Grieg's Peer Gynt is always a great choice for modelling. Works best for European theatre- forget Palestine. But Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherezade" (sp?) fit's the desert quite well. For late war Central Power's stuff, a good dirge in the form of Karl Orf's "Carmina Burana" seem's right to me. Then again, as mentioned before, no one beats Wagner for that blasting grandeur and "sweeping of empire". Just my input... Cheers! Scott M. Head IPMS/USA #32841 IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh Win95=Mac'87 ;) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 307 *********************