WWI Digest 301 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Books by Alberto Rada 2) E.W. Springs by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 3) Thanks. by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 4) The Blue Max by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 5) Re: Fokker D V111 by GRBroman@aol.com 6) Re: Fokker D V111 by DavidL1217@aol.com 7) E.W. Springs by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: Fokker D V111 by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 9) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 10) RE: Albatros D.V (wood graining) by John Huggins 11) Our own Erik Pilawskii by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 12) Re: Decal sheet by John Huggins 13) Re: Large Scale kits by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 14) Re: Fokker D V111 by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 15) Re: E.W. Springs by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) RE: Fokker D V111 by Shane Weier 17) RE: Fokker D V111 by "Valenciano . Jose" 18) RE: Fokker D V111 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Latest FSM by meba@cso.com 20) Last year's top 5 list by meba@cso.com 21) Last year's most wanted by meba@cso.com 22) This year's most wanted by meba@cso.com 23) Re: The Blue Max by Mark Lawrence Shannon 24) Re: The Blue Max by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 25) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by Joseph Gentile 26) Sunday, 22 October 1916, Cazaux by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 27) Parachutes by RedBaron12@aol.com 28) Re: Parachutes by Rob 29) Product Reviews by aew (Allan Wright) 30) Re: Product Reviews by aew (Allan Wright) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:35:32 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199610220135.VAA08952@fw.true.net> Thank you very much for your comments, it certainly helps when buying books, or models for the case, THIS LIST IS GREAT The following books haven't yet got an opinion, I am including the price so you may advice if they are worth. Apostolo & Abate .- CAPRONI NELLA PRIMA GUERRA MONDIALE $ 40.00 Hammerton J. WAR IN THE AIR $ 55.00 Longstreet, S. .- THE CANVAS FALCONS $ 9.00 Platt, F.C. .- GREAT BATTLES OF WWI $ 5.00 Pulitzer, R. OVER THE FRONT IN AN AEROPLANE $ 15.00 Rolt-Wheeler, F. .- THE WONDER OF WAR IN THE AIR $ 15.00 Saith, F.E. A KILLING FOR THE HAWKS $ 21.00 Tanner BRITISH MILITARY AIRCRAFT OF WWI $ 25.00 GRACIAS AND SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:56:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: E.W. Springs Message-ID: <961021215617.22a84216@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to bucky@mail.prolog.net Subject: Re: Books > I believe OTF just had a fairly large section on Springs and the >books he wrote. Am I right about this Peter? >Mike Muth = = = = = = = = = = = = = = An early issue (and I don't have time right now to dig it out) had an article (by Marv Skelton, I believe). Once the OTF Index project is finished, it will be a piece of cake to find this stuff. My own hazy recollection is that _War Birds_ is largely the work of John M. Grider. PK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:30:16 -0700 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Thanks. Message-ID: Thanks to all (four) of you who forwarded my Sopwith Triplane review back to me. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: The Blue Max Message-ID: <961021223220.22a84216@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In a recent discussion of the film, "someone" (and I don't recall who) seemed to think the book and movie of "The Blue Max" were off base in concluding that a fighterpilot had to have 20 victories to qualify for the 'Orden Pour le Merite.' In fact, that was exactly the case. Boelcke and Immelmann received it after 8 kills, as did the next ten recipients. (Berr had 10.) Manfred von Richthofen groused about the fact that he had 16 -- twice Boelcke's score -- before he got it. Werner Voss had 24 at the time he received it, Kurt Wolff 28 or 29. Very late in the war, Paul Baeumer had 43(!), Ulrich Neckel and Carl Degelow each had 30 -- and the latter two just made it before Silly Willi ducked out to Holland. Source of items above is Neal W. O'Connor's OUTSTANDING book _Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I and the Men Who Earned Them - Vol. II The Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Prussia_ (1990). Now up to 4 volumes -- covering Bavaria, Prussia, Saxony and Wuerttemberg -- these are well-written, solidly-factual books with some of the best photos you will ever see. The latter volumes have color profile paintings by Chuck Stearns. Zenith and other aviation booksellers have them. Finally, let me assure you that author Jack D. Hunter did a lot of digging to make his NOVEL as realistic as possible. Hollywood took some liberties -- but it's still a f-i-n-e flick. Both used the name Bruno Stachel for the main character, which must be the author's little joke. 'Stachel' is the German word for 'barb,' as in 'Stacheldraht' (barbed-wire). PK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:59:10 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <961021225228_1347463227@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-10-21 20:02:49 EDT, you write: > I have a modelers profile odf myself in the Dec. 96 Finescale Modeler for >those of you who do not know me . I enyoy all of your messages and >learning about the aircraft . Roger Belanger Roger, I just got my FSM and saw your picture and your work. Beautiful stuff! Course, a few biplanes would have really got my attention ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:05:04 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <961021230503_1581715365@emout20.mail.aol.com> Use either Pegasus or Americal Lozenge as the Eduard decals are off badly on the color. The inside of the cockpit sides were reverse lozenge. Americal makes a sheet of this too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:13:37 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: E.W. Springs Message-ID: <326C6611.444C@host.dmsc.net> The Springs article in OTF is in Vol 11, No 1, Spring '96. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 96 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <199610220226.WAA24276@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Roger wrote, > I am a little new to the art of ww1 airplane model building in the meticulos > fashion the the members of the group build and would like to become as > accomplished as most . I am going to start the D V111 I would if anyony has > any suggestions as to what if any modifications I should make to the Edouard > 1/72 kit . Are the Lozenge pattern colors right that come w/ the kit . I will > appreciate any help that anyone can offer . I have a modelers profile odf > myself in the Dec. 96 Finescale Modeler for those of you who do not know me . > I enyoy all of your messages and learning about the aircraft . Roger Belanger First, congratulations on the FSM profile. Super work! It's good to see another ship modeler on the list. I have several of the Eduard D.VIIIs and am midway through my first one. I covered the inside of the fuselage with Americal's reverse lozenge. Easy to do, and adds a lot to the finished cockpit. There are already a few things I'll do differently on my second D.VIII. The fold together cockpit should really be constructed from tubes vice flat photoetched parts, but the result looks good. I folded mine before painting - the next one I'll paint first, then fold. This should make it easier to paint the throttle and compass. The foot rails can be left unpainted. The screen behind the pilot's seat can be covered in lozenge, as can the seat. Be careful with the decals - they are commendably thin, but fragile. I trashed the first set of cowl decals and had to raid a second kit (hence my quest for non Jasta 6 schemes). The kit's lozenge colors seem off to me. Without opening up the lozenge color debate, pick the upper and lower four color lozenge that appeals to you. I used Aeromaster, because I had some and I liked the colors. Some D.VIIIs had the undercarriage wing painted the same color as the struts instead of covered in lozenge. The guns were less trouble than I anticipated -I used a drill bit to roll the cooling jackets into a cylinder. Sill have the engine to complete and the wing to be decaled and installed. There isn't much rigging, but the control cables need to be installed. Good luck with you D.VIII. Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:00:13 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <19961021.200629.4447.15.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:02:43 -0400 roger belanger writes: > Dear Matt which Smithsonian book are you using Roger B. Famous Aircraft of the NASM #4, Albatros D.V. Find it, you'll be happy you did. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:46:22 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: RE: Albatros D.V (wood graining) Message-ID: >Tom wrote: > >>Can I elaborate a bit on my technique (which appears to be virtually the >same >>as Mark's)? I use Testors Model Master "Light Ivory" as a base coat and a >>medium brown Gunze Sangyo *acrylic* for the streaking, although just about >>any shade of brown or dark tan seems to work well. > >(Snip) > >FWIW , I have just returned from a week away from the computer and am a bit behind, but I have not seen any listings of using the wood sheets that are in some of the more expensive cigar tubes. (Get to know the chap in the local tabaco store, and ask him to save them for you , or get you in contact with someone who purchases these types) This is real natural wood in paper thin sheets. Apply a contact cement to the back side then apply to the model. When all panels have been covered, stain with your favorite color, then cover the whole thing with Future for a gloss finish. real wood looks more like real wood than any paint or chaalk finish I have seen. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:51:17 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Our own Erik Pilawskii Message-ID: <19961021.195810.4447.13.mbittner@juno.com> Although he's going to hate me later, I just have to say... Erik sent me pictures of some of his models. His CM LFG Roland D.VIb is gorgeous (sp?). A true masterpiece, and a definite show stopper. Fantastic work Erik! Now get those pictures on the web! (Sorry. Don't hate me Erik...) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:00:56 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal sheet Message-ID: >Does anybody know where I can get clear, blank decal sheet that's >thin, but safe for laser printers? TIA! > > Matt, Check out Super Scale. They have a 8.5 X11 inch sheet of clear that is Laser/Color Copier safe. I think the price is around $2.00 to $3.00. If you can't get it from your local shops, Squadron stocks it. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:51:17 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Large Scale kits Message-ID: <19961021.195809.4447.11.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:44:58 -0400 t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) writes: > Tell Jeff that the Hobbycraft Nie. 17 is far and away the > best of the group. Beautifully molded, thin wings, nice > interior. Main drawback: lack of decals for various > schemes. Actually, the main drawback now (see next paragraph) is that Hobbycraft didn't mold the channel on the underside of the fuselage behind the cowl. As far as decals go, Americal puts out at least a couple of sheets for this kit. The latest is a sheet for 1 sq RAF/RFC Nie.17's. I also think they did a sheet for the Lafayette Escadrille. Weren't there a coule more? Also, not only were there a few parts put out by Rosemont, but Tom's Modelworks did at least one conversion for it; maybe more. It was for the Nie.24. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:51:17 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <19961021.195809.4447.10.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:51:08 -0400 roger belanger writes: > I am a little new to the art of ww1 airplane model > building in the meticulos fashion the the members of the > group build and would like to become as accomplished as > most . I am going to start the D V111 I would if anyony > has any suggestions as to what if any modifications I > should make to the Edouard 1/72 kit . Are the Lozenge > pattern colors right that come w/ the kit . I will > appreciate any help that anyone can offer . I have a > modelers profile odf myself in the Dec. 96 Finescale > Modeler for those of you who do not know me . I enyoy all > of your messages and learning about the aircraft . Roger > Belanger I thought that was you. Great job on your models! I haven't had a chance yet to look close, but upon "browsing" through the magazine they look wonderful. And about that Eduard 1/72nd (great scale!) D.VIII. There's not much - if anything - wrong. Ken Hagerup of the list is working on one now, and he can provide better pointers. However, ditch the lozenge. Even if you're not one who has to correct everything, please correct this. Eduard's lozenge - for lack of anything better - is awful. The best lozenge seems to be split between Americal and Pegasus. Although it's a bit down the road, I can't wait to get to mine. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:31:31 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: E.W. Springs Message-ID: <199610220431.AA02027@ednet1.orednet.org> > >In response to bucky@mail.prolog.net >Subject: Re: Books > >> I believe OTF just had a fairly large section on Springs and the >>books he wrote. Am I right about this Peter? >>Mike Muth >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >An early issue (and I don't have time right now to dig it out) had an article >(by Marv Skelton, I believe). Once the OTF Index project is finished, it will >be a piece of cake to find this stuff. My own hazy recollection is that _War >Birds_ is largely the work of John M. Grider. Try OTF, Volume 11, Number 1, Spring 1996. "The 'Unknown Writer' behind the 'Unknown Aviator'; The Story of 'War Birds" By Steven Ruffin, The short synopsis is, "John McGavock Grider was not and could not possibly have been, by virtue of his diary or any other personal record, the author of the book that has so often been, and still is attributed to him .. There is no doubt that Elliot White Springs authored War Birds in its entirety, with the minor exception of the first few pages of the book that were taken from Grider's diary" pp 49-50. Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:18:23 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <01BBC034.A7688D60@pc087b.mim.com.au> Ken writes (in part of an excellent mini review): > Some D.VIIIs had >the undercarriage wing painted the same color as the struts instead of >covered in lozenge. I'd love to see a photograph which undeniably shows lozenge on the axle fairing of any D.VIII. It may be my faulty memory (yes Matt, it goes with the eyesight at my age) but I can't remember seeing a D.VIII - or a D.VII for that matter - with loz covered fairings. It's my understanding that they are actually ply covered, not fabric at all - but don't quote me !!! Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:11:09 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Shane Weier wrote: > It may be my faulty memory (yes Matt, it goes with the eyesight at my age) > but I can't remember seeing a D.VIII - or a D.VII for that matter - with > loz covered fairings. It's my understanding that they are actually ply > covered, not fabric at all - but don't quote me !!! Yes Shane, they were ply covered. How 'bout the D.VI? Surely ply covered too? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:14:44 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <199610220814.AA08655@ednet1.orednet.org> Shane writes: >I'd love to see a photograph which undeniably shows lozenge on the axle >fairing of any D.VIII. > >It may be my faulty memory (yes Matt, it goes with the eyesight at my age) >but I can't remember seeing a D.VIII - or a D.VII for that matter - with >loz covered fairings. It's my understanding that they are actually ply >covered, not fabric at all - but don't quote me !!! I'm pretty sure you're correct on this 'un - the axle fairing was plywood covered - although a frantic search through my books this eve didn't locate the textual reference regarding the plywood covering which I am _sure_ is in there, someplace. :-) And, while we can probably not definitively rule out lozenge patterned fairings (after all, there is no reason plywood couldn't have been covered with fabric and, goodness knows we've enough examples of lozenge patterns being -painted- on wood or metal surfaces - witness the Hanover CL fuselages or some D.VII metal engine panels), it probably was the exception rather than the rule. The axle fairings are usually in deep shadow in the photos and thus the pattern (or lack thereof) is generally not apparent - still there are enough photos which clearly show D.VII's with lozenge fabric on the wings and/or fuselage and solid colors on the axle fairing that we can be fairly confident that at least some of the D.VII's and D.VIII's had solid colored axle fairings. And, like you, I'm unable to locate a photo which unambiguously shows a lozenge pattern on the undercarriage fairing - although the photo on the top of page 18 of the Datafile number 9 on the D.VII does kinda look like it _might_ be lozenge down there. But, then again, maybe not. Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:56:25 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Latest FSM Message-ID: <199610220657.GAA26860@cso.com> In perusing the latest FSM, there's nothing much for WW1. However, in the photo gallery they include pictures from this years Nats. There's a photo of Karen W.'s (I'm not even going to try to spell it) Caudron G.3 - in 1/72nd! Here, I thought she was primarily 1/48th. See, you do eventually come around! ;-) The model is impeccable. Beautiful. Does anybody on the list know her? I've seen her work numerous times in Windsock, and it's always been amazing. Also, this month is calling for the top 5 wants from each of us. Not only do I suggest we email FSM separately, but we run another most wanted request (like last year - which it was almost a year ago that we ran that). I'm looking at the list, and most of these (especially in 1/48th) have come out, so it's high time to run it again. My next message will contain the top 5 from each scale, as well as each modeling "type". I suggest that we do submit it as a list, that way FSM can see just how viable we are. Watch for the next message. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:01:28 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Last year's top 5 list Message-ID: <199610220702.HAA27349@cso.com> The file I saved it in is dated 10 Nov 1995. These are just the top 5. The next message I'm sending is the entire list. Subject Scale # of votes Current kit manufacturer ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- British R class submarine 1/350th 1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nieuport 17 1/72nd 2 Revell/ESCI Nieuport 11 1/72nd 2 Toycraft Berg/Roseplane Albatros D.III 1/72nd 2 Revell/ESCI/XtraVac Il'ya Muromets 1/72nd 2 Maquete H-B D.I 1/72nd 1 Classic Plane/Formaplane/CA Atkins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albatros D.III 1/48th 3 Skybirds/Glencoe/Aurora Sopwtih Triplane 1/48th 3 Koster/Aurora Bristol F2b 1/48th 3(1) Aurora Sopwith1.5 Strutter 1/48th 2 Nieuport 17 1/48th 1 Testors ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albatros D.III 1/28th 1 Albatros D.Va 1/28th 1 Nieuport 28 1/28th 1 SE5a 1/28th 1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:08:07 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Last year's most wanted Message-ID: <199610220709.HAA27689@cso.com> Here's the entire list. Keep this in mind when voting. Also keep in mind what's due to come out, and what's out there. That's why I included the "current kit" column. Subject Scale # Votes Current Source British R class sub 1/350th 1 Nieuport 17 1/72nd 2 Revell/ESCI Nieuport 11 1/72nd 2 Toycraft Berg/Rosemont Conversion Albatros D.III 1/72nd 2 Revell/ESCI/XtraVac Il'ya Muromets 1/72nd 2 H-B D.I 1/72nd 1 Classic Plane/Formaplane/CA Atkins Halberstadt D.II 1/72nd 1 Pegasus/VeeDay/Airframe Albatros D.II 1/72nd 1 Meikraft/Classic Plane Junkers CL.II 1/72nd 1 F.B.5 Gunbus 1/72nd 1 Merlin/Airframe/Blue Rider Fokker Dr.I 1/72nd 1 Revell/Airfix Fokker D.VII 1/72nd 1 Revell/ESCI Albatros W.4 1/72nd 1 Merlin Gotha Ursinus 1/72nd 1 Zeppelin Staaken R.XIV 1/72nd 1 Contrail Bristol F2b 1/72nd 1 Airfix/Renwal H-B W.33 1/72nd 1 Gotha G.IV 1/72nd 1(1) Rareplanes/Merlin Etrich Taube 1/72nd (1) Airframe BE2e 1/72nd (1) Fredrichschafen FF 33E/L 1/72nd (1) Formaplane Fredrichschafen FF 49C 1/72nd (1) Albatros C.X 1/72nd (1) XtraVac Pfalz D.VIII 1/72nd (1) Albatros D.III 1/48th 3 Skybirds/Glencoe/Aurora/Eduard Sopwtih Triplane 1/48th 3 Koster/Aurora/Eduard Bristol F2b 1/48th 3(1) Aurora Sopwith1.5 Strutter 1/48th 2 Nieuport 17 1/48th 1 Testors Nieuport 11 1/48th 1 Blue Max/Aurora Aeromarine 39B 1/48th 1 Curtis F Boat 1/48th 1 Vickers Gunbus 1/48th 1 Aeroclub H-B W.29 1/48th 1 Waldo Resins Albatros D.III OEF 1/48th 1 Skybirds/Glencoe Albatros C.III 1/48th 1 Eduard Aviatik D.I 1/48th 1 Sierra Scale Phonix D.I 1/48th 1 Sierra Scale Roland D.II 1/48th 1 Sierra Scale Roland C.IV 1/48th 1 Felixstowe F.2A 1/48th 1 Lone Star Gotha G.V 1/48th 1 Halberstadt Cl.IV 1/48th 1 Fokker D.VI 1/48th 1 Tom's Modelworks Etrich Taube 1/48th 1 BE2e 1/48th 1 Sopwith Snipe 1/48th 1(2) SE-5a 1/48th 1(1) Lindberg/Aurora Pfalz D.III 1/48th (1) Blue Max/Eduard Pfalz D.XII 1/48th (1) Blue Max DH4 1/48th (1) Aurora/Glencoe/AMT RE8 1/48th (1) Aeroclub DH-2 1/48th (1) Merit/Blue Max Albatros D.III 1/28th 1 Albatros D.Va 1/28th 1 Nieuport 28 1/28th 1 SE5a 1/28th 1 Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:11:36 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: This year's most wanted Message-ID: <199610220712.HAA27934@cso.com> So, in light of what FSM is doing, send me your top 5 kit wants. Make the subject "Top 5 Wants", and email to me direct, here at work (meba@cso.com). So, when you hit the reply key, make sure my email address (meba@cso.com) shows up, and not the list address. This way we keep most of the clutter off the list. Even though today is Tuesday, I'm closing all voting as of 12:00 noon, eastern time, Friday. So get those requests in *now*! If you want to send the same list to FSM, do so. Or, make up another list and send it to them. I would suggest that we send in our same requests, that way we get another vote for those kits we want. Any ideas? Oh yea, here's the FSM email address: rhayden@finescale.com Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:15:40 -0700 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: The Blue Max Message-ID: <326CE51C.571F@ix.netcom.com> PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791 wrote: > > In a recent discussion of the film, "someone" (and I don't recall who) > seemed to think the book and movie of "The Blue Max" were off base in > concluding that a fighterpilot had to have 20 victories to qualify for the > 'Orden Pour le Merite.' In fact, that was exactly the case. My point was exactly as you have in the following paragraph. In the movie, it was put as an automatic "20 victories and a Blue Max", when in reality it varied at different points in the war from 8 to 30 with the one 43. The idea that 20 was a minimum at the time was no problem to me. Just the bit about it being a tick-off-the-points-to-a-Blue- Max. > Boelcke and Immelmann received it after 8 kills, as did the next ten > recipients. (Berr had 10.) Manfred von Richthofen groused about the fact > that he had 16 -- twice Boelcke's score -- before he got it. Werner Voss had > 24 at the time he received it, Kurt Wolff 28 or 29. Very late in the war, > Paul Baeumer had 43(!), Ulrich Neckel and Carl Degelow each had 30 -- and the > latter two just made it before Silly Willi ducked out to Holland. > Source of items above is Neal W. O'Connor's OUTSTANDING book _Aviation > Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I and the Men Who Earned Them - Vol. II > The Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Prussia_ (1990). Now up to 4 volumes -- > covering Bavaria, Prussia, Saxony and Wuerttemberg -- these are well-written, > solidly-factual books with some of the best photos you will ever see. The > latter volumes have color profile paintings by Chuck Stearns. Zenith and other > aviation booksellers have them. > Finally, let me assure you that author Jack D. Hunter did a lot of > digging to make his NOVEL as realistic as possible. Hollywood took some > liberties -- but it's still a f-i-n-e flick. Both used the name Bruno Stachel > for the main character, which must be the author's little joke. 'Stachel' is > the German word for 'barb,' as in 'Stacheldraht' (barbed-wire). > > PK -- Todt, wo ist dien stachel? Hohle, wo ist dien sieg? All of us are aware of how many authors cringe at the liberties taken with their hard-worked novels or even histories when given the Hollywood Treatment. In fact, I'm always surprised at how few of them suffer cerebral hemorrage on seeing what is churned out. And as we had in this list a few weeks back, look at how "Lafayette Escadrille" turned out when its veteran director had an entirely different movie in mind. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com The good thing about being a pessimist is -- it lets you be pleasantly surprised -- on rare occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 9:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: The Blue Max Message-ID: <961022092948.22a6cd5b@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> At the point in time of the movie, the criterium was 20 victories. The movie had it right. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:56:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199610221356.IAA02879@Walden.MO.NET> At 09:23 PM 10/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >>meba@cso.com wrote: >>> > HUGE snip >> > >>Dear Matt which Smithsonian book are you using Roger B. >>-- >>ROGER BELANGER >> > > This is a paperbound book written about the restoration of the >Smithsonian's Alb. D-Va, written by Robert Mikesh. An excellent resource >for the modeler and very fortunately still in print, though it seems to be >difficult to find in book stores. You may have to write the Smithsonian. > >Try www.nasm.edu as it is the home page for the NASM on Independance Ave, SW. There is a "button" listed as resouces. Click that and it spews out a list all kinds of goodies one of which is a link to the Smithsonian Office of Publications. Scroll through this a bit and you will find available "Albatros D.V.a WWI Fighter by R. Mikesh available for $12.95 plus $4.20 s/h. 800-782-4612 is the toll free number for Smithsonian Institution Press. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:00:37 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 22 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <326CFDB5.33A1@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Rain in p.m. Felt down so didn't go to Arcachen as I intended for the day. Wrote long letters to Rodman and R.A. Cooper in a.m. Took walk with Bullard in late p.m. Wrote to Mr Grundy & Paul Rockwell. Letter from Cox's Co. saying they have rec'd 174 francs for me from Uncle Clair and are mailing it to me by mandat. That will surely help me lots when I get to Paris the end of this week which hope I do. Also letters from Mr Grundy. Ate dinner at restaurant near school in evening as I sure wanted a decent meal. *********************** from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:47:55 -0400 From: RedBaron12@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Parachutes Message-ID: <961022104753_1213413096@emout03.mail.aol.com> I've read several books on the German air service during WWI and they all seem to imply that parachutes for aviators was unacceptable. The man should go down with the ship so to speak. However, I'm reading Eddie Rickenbacker's autobiography and he mentions that frequently he watched pilots parachute out of damaged or on fire aircraft. Who's right here? Anyone have any comments? Or were parachutes becoming more widely accepted near the end of the war? Mike Mayer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:55:35 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Parachutes Message-ID: <9610220850.aa01815@scosysv.speechsys.com> Mike Mayer writes: > I've read several books on the German air service during WWI and they all > seem to imply that parachutes for aviators was unacceptable. The man should > go down with the ship so to speak. However, I'm reading Eddie Rickenbacker's > autobiography and he mentions that frequently he watched pilots parachute out > of damaged or on fire aircraft. Who's right here? Anyone have any comments? > Or were parachutes becoming more widely accepted near the end of the war? The British may have had some concerns about parachutes leading to loss of fighting spirit, but the Germans and Austrians certainly didn't. Parachutes were in common use by 1917 and 1918. They were based on the 'chutes used by balloon observers on all sides (all variations on the Salvator, I think). Parachutes were often carried externally on fighters. Sometimes you see a metal fairing under the fuselage and a static cord running from the cockpit down the side of the fuselage. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Product Reviews Message-ID: <199610221513.LAA18916@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just a quick note to everyone I've updated some of the reviews on the WWW page. I sent some whippet tracks to someone on the list to review - does anyone remember who it was? I really need that review! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Product Reviews Message-ID: <199610221519.LAA18981@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I said in a fog without my morning coffee: > I sent some whippet tracks to someone on the list to review - does anyone > remember who it was? I really need that review! Oh yea, I think it was Jessee Thorn. Jessee? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. 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